YES! Been waiting for you to do this one. I've been enticed many times by those AliExpress bundles with the frankenstin mobos and super ugly green PCB ram sticks. Glad to know I made the right choice of not impulse buying them like I usually do.
Loving these HEDT videos. There are so many interesting options out there for them over the normal stuff. About to be having some fun with a first gen Threadripper this week as a replacement over my 7940X. Found a great deal on a X399 board and I couldn’t resist getting it. Also if you are looking for a suggest on a Xeon to try next, there is the E5 2667 V2. It is basically an E5 2687W V2 with a 20w less TDP and 200MHz less base clock. Best part is that the 2667 V2 is 1/5 the price of that 2687W V2.
It's what i'm running as my secondary PC, i upgraded my X79 build over the years until 2019 when i finally brought a Ryzen 3700X. It still suprises me how powerful and cool running it is considering its 130W cpu. I've never seen the temps ever get above 59c even when its pinned to 100%, I am running Linux Mint 21.1 on it so it's my stable desktop PC and I can leave the main PC for the gaming, even if the Xeon does old gaming remarkably well.
Old, locked Xeons like this definitely have a window where 6-8 cores are the sweet spot, due to the trade-offs in frequency for cores at the high-end. And as you say, if the Haswell and above chips are marginally more expensive nowadays, well that's the better play for a new buyer to the platform.
@Lurch While sure it won't be the best for a 3070 or better, if you are on Celeron budget, with maybe a 1660, it becomes a great option to have for lower requirement games and lower resolutions
I've had an old HP 420 workstation in my shed for 4 years now, E5 1660 (6 core, 12 thread) 32gb ddr3 2400 ram and an RX 480. Wonderful shed system. It controls telescopes, runs astro software, controls astro cameras, plus feeds a 42" 4k screen for real time star/planet observations. It'll also play destiny 2 or GTA 5 while waiting for exposures. The old HP is built like a tank and I love it. But it's not a patch on my 5800x and 6900xt in the game room x For shed science... Buy one!
Your numbers are quite a bit lower than I get with my E5 Xeon CPUs I have had. I played Witcher 3 all the time and never was below 60 (I lock my fps around 60 due to my refresh rate of my TV). Your clock speed of 2.8 is very low on that chip. You want one that runs at 3.7ghz and turbos up to 4ghz. For pure gaming the e5-1620 V2 is really hard to beat (4 cores that run at 4ghz) for it's absurdly low price but the 2687W V2 is great too and has 1 core running at 4ghz and the others at 3.6.. You can get these z620 computers for like 200 bucks. They're excellent cooling and have plenty of power for a GPU. They also will take over 300gb of quad channel RAM, which makes it quite fast even today. Parts are dirt cheap too. A nice tip for those budget minded gamers out there. Throw a used 2060 or 2070 in there and you have an excellent PC gaming system for like 400 bucks.
These old Sandy/Ivy Bridge Xeons are still surprisingly fast for being a decade old! I myself got an HP Z620 workstation with dual E5-2630 v2 during the whole chip shortage mess (old computer died out on me and it managed to not be a bad deal while being a unique PC). While it's not the most practical its fun to be able to say you have dual Xeons in your PC (also not bad for stuff like Blender). I'm considering putting two e5-2667 v2 in there since they've got much better clock speeds, putting it alot closer to the i7's of that era in single core performance (probably the realistic best Ivy Bridge Xeon for today's market), and that'll give a total of 16 cores. Anything above that would probably be overkill for an Ivy Bridge platform. Honestly my only concern is whether the 800W power supply can handle both of those at the same time along with the 2070 SUPER I'm running. As an aside, these videos are great! Keep up the good work!
@@YuukiHotaruu 2687w v2 is only 100MHz faster at 3.4GHz base clock vs the 2667v2 3.3GHz they both turbo at exactly the same speeds as each other. The maximum turbo frequency for both CPU's are 1C 4 GHz, 2C 3.9 GHz, 3C 3.8 GHz 4C.3.7 GHz 5C-8C 3.6 GHz I own a 2667v2 on my secondary PC, If you cant get a decent priced 1680v2 to OC it then a 2687w v2 or a 2667v2 are you best bet for decent base clock, turbo speeds and cores
@@DoktorLorenz at my local, both 2667v2 and 2687w v2 are at very similar price, both are good pick depend on the day, and what company dumping out parts
>10:55 >E5-2696v3 >18 cores Last week I bought one and can't wait, when it's arrived. I have 2 x99 mainboards for testing (ddr3/ddr4). But in the end the i7-6950x will be still faster in games :3
Man, all these old high end and server CPUs were things I used to dream of having as a kid, even though I’d have zero use for them then, and I still have zero use for them now lol. But there’s always something alluring about having all those cores and threads, maybe I’d try making some tinker machine for giggles, see it run older operating systems like XP, Vista, or 7.
So then old AMD server chips from AliExpress or Alibaba or possibly Amazon for a higher price. You may be disappointed because old Intel Xeon are usually cheaper also importing into the boards from China or Taiwan from the various smell Electronics markets. It's a bit like a treasure hunt little small vendor markets.
The thing is you really only need 3 or 4 cores to run at their max boost. The rest can be used for background tasks since even today, games rarely use more than 4 cores.
I've got an old X79 board with a 2650 v1 in it. I'm building a server box with it, might just have to pick up one of these 2680 v2 chips to put in there. It'll definitely give a little more room for extra virtual machines.
@@_pawe9237 I made the jump to the X99 platform for my main machine. Went from the 2650 to an i7 5930K. There's such a huge jump in performance. Managed to OC to 4.2GHz too.
Virtual machines... THAT'S what these high core count Xeons are good for, NOT gaming! He should have used one with fewer cores, higher frequency if his focus was to be on gaming.
I'm actually looking at buying an E5 2680 V4 which is really cheap but comes with 14 cores and 28 threads for the intention of using it to stream. I think the good thing about Xeons is the number of programs you can run on top of each other.
Regarding motherboards that don’t support Xeons, can we get a video that covers how one might go about injecting the codes for socket compatible Xeons into a motherboard’s BIOS file that doesn’t otherwise officially support those same Xeons? It seems like a useful way to take advantage of the usually cheaper Xeons (as compared to their typical Core counterparts), as well as make a small contribution to lessening potential e-waste in the world.
The camera is a Fujifilm XT3, and the lens is either the XF 18-55mm f2.8-4 or, for macro shots, it’s a Schneider-Kreuznach 50mm f2.8 enlarger lens on an extension tube. I use a gimbal too, but it’s a bit too weak for this kit so I won’t recommend it!
I also tried the 12 Core Intel Xeon E5-2696 V2. It's also not much of a performer. I had it installed in my Asus Rampage IV Extreme for around a month before decommissioning the whole X79 system. X79 had a good run but the power usage to performance is just a hard sell nowadays. They gobble up a lot of power, heat up the room quickly, and the performance is around a modern mid range system under most games. Fun to play with but I wouldn't invest into this platform. It's one for the collectors. Love your videos btw. Similar interests in testing this old gear.
I know this might seem odd but I feel like the 8700k is worth looking at people are seeking it a motherboard and 16gb of ram for 150 pounds since they are upgrading to the new gen parts. I think it will do very well in the charts
I have two similar e5-2670 v2 PCs I put together a few years back. It's fine, so long as you have "ultra budget" expectations. In my case it allowed my kids to have two gaming PCs, instead of sharing one modern architecture one, and they haven't been unable to play anything they wanted. In my experience, you can "all core turbo" unlock x79 ali boards by just setting the timeout to 0 in the bios. Super easy. x99 overclock is a bios flash with an hacked image, and you can brick the motherboard easily. Not worth it for the extra hassle and cost, especially if you're open to used AM4 and your local market isn't priced crazy.
keep looking at these old xeons, i really enjoy these videos and the content of them. you should compare these to the later Xeons on LGA 2066, and the extreme editions from 6th and 7th gen if you can.
I need to clear out some motherboards first, and I'm not ready to part with anything just yet. I have X99 Xeons & Broadwell-E yet to cover, plus Z97 chips, maybe a couple more for Z270, plus a few older Ryzens... but sure, one day I'd love to look at 2066!
i just jumped into the xeon rabbit hole with the purchase of an asus p9x79/e5-2690 combo for 80 bucks. i already have a decent am4 setup, but sometimes i just get the urge to have fun and waste money. did i mention the pair of gtx 670 i'm going to sli with this rig? your explanation of the e5 bit and the v2/3/4 bit is the most i've been able to find on the internet. i swear socket 2011 is the most confusing socket. if this p9x79 didn't come with a cpu i think i certainly would have purchased the wrong one for it. according to the p9x79's own cpu list the e5-2690 isn't even listed. the e5-2690vs is though. but what about the e5-2690v3 and v4? not _that_ socket 2011...
Oh, I've got my fingers crossed for you delving into X99 turbo core unlocks. That would be swell if you ever managed to get a decent guide up for that which doesn't involve Miyconst.
When I had one, I hated the 1% and 0.1% lows, some freezes, expensive/rare motherboards that I had to get by mail from across the country. And, old nm(32nm compared to today's 5nm). Also no new drivers.. Still very lovely, working and cheap Not having m.2 capability( on some..) and being stuck on pci-e 2.0 really sucked.
I got this same processor running stable at 3.584 all cores and turbos to 4.098 all cores on a Asus p9x79 ws pro motherboard with 32gb of hyperx beast ram with a evga 1070 ti sc and a gtx 1050 ti sc I use the 1050 for the second monitor and capture card and use the 1070 for the main monitor with a couple Samsung 870evo ssds' for storage the trick is understanding the Asus Advanced bios settings and setting the cpu voltage duration to max so it doesn't downclock when it reaches the stock voltage duration and with a .150 increase in cpu voltage offset and bclk to 114.0 it chews through everything my niece uses it for I wouldn't want to run it all day it eats some power for sure but during Ohio Winters it doubles as a space heater for her room these xeons are fun to see just how far they will go though and what they can still do quite well
Not related to the content, which is awesome, but relating to the audio: In your videos I always have to lower my volume because I have the impression that my ear is being directly shouted at. Not sure if it's an equalization/post effects thing or the capture itself, but for me this is the only tecnical flaw in an otherwise great yt channel.
Due to life circumstances, I had to use a Sandy Bridge laptop for the last year (i3-2310M, dual core with HT, 2.1 GHz). For many tasks it's still passable, but when you really need something done - it's SLOW. I'm amazed how much faster a 2017 i5-8500T is - also a mobile chip with the same 35 W TDP. Just 6 years of progress, and 8500T is plenty fast in 2023 still.
speaking about life circumstances, i'm still using a 16 years old pc with an intel pentium 6300 in it that i managed to overclock to 3.3ghz using some old software, sounds great but i don't have a gpu so i had to made use of the onboard intel gma 3100 which have no hardware t&l, no shader model 3 and no opengl 2.0, basically means most games from 2005 onward just doesn't work, compared to this the intel hd graphics 3000 with your i3 seems like a crazy good gpu hahaha
@@lord_khufu, yeah, HD3000 is way better than that GMA. I hope your situation will improve soon! Can your computer even browse modern web? I imagine that websites do load, but it must be very sluggish.
@@VioletGiraffe yeah it is slow at times with chrome and firefox is a bit more laggy, but generally everything is reasonably snappy, websites load pretty quick because i have ethernet and youtube playback works smoothly at 720p60. I will most likely have to use this until next year though so here hoping the pc doesn't dies until then
@@VioletGiraffe the bot reply remind me of this thread, anyway i'm just here to inform you that i just got a gt 730, it initially made my monitor go "no display" but i just have to shut down the pc and re-plug the vga cable, also my igpu is causing some conflicts with the nvidia driver so i have to switch it off otherwise i get more "no display", took me a good 2 hours to figured all this out, phew
please no matter what you do as you grow bigger, remember to keep your knowledge that latest isn't always the greatest, not many out there are doing that and if they are its very poorly made and lacks alot of care put into it because they don't really care about the old tech, all they care about is a good thumbnail and title! honestly some feel like they are mocking old tech
@@1986Hikaru Yes but most of those are cobbled together trash using leftover parts and its a risk to try them. Tech Yes City does a run on them every now and then so before you buy from ali make sure you find a review of the exact mobo you are looking at.
Mr iceberg i´m trying to get a cheap upgrade for mi old pc to keep em running so i decided to change the CPU. I have a z97x gaming 5 with an i5 4590 so my question is do i try to get a 4790k for aliexpress or do i get a xeon e3-1270 v3? the catch is that i can´t found a used 4790k on my country while the xeon is available in brand new condition or at least that looks like. ¿can you help a brother with this choice? Great video as always, i enjoy your "retro" hardware videos :)
Depending on how good an overclock you can achieve on a 4790K, it should be 5-10% faster than the Xeon. As for comparing the Xeon to your i5, in lightly threaded games you might even lose a few frames, but in heavier open-world stuff the Xeon could be 20-25% faster than the i5.
It wasn't that long ago that Intel was charging an extra $700 for two additional cores on the Core i7 6950X. Also worth noting that they were charging the same price for a Core i3 6100 dual core as the Ryzen 5 5500 costs now. And because it cost so much for the privilege of core count in 2016, cheap workstation and gaming machines were always pretty weak. Very different now when high-core-count Xeons are everywhere.
Speaking from experience. My x99-8m-f mb is handling the E5-2660v3 woth no problems with the turbo unlock active. 105w tdp and i got my combo with a 92mm with 6 heatpipe cooler amd it kept the cpu under 50°c in games and 65°c max while aida64 was runing
I still say these are great for home labers on the cheap. After you've figured out if it's for you and you are ready to move on to newer hardware they have usually been worth the initial spend. I'm currently in the process of replacing my older v2 servers with 1 Epyc system but I'll miss the older stuff.
100% worth it going for epyc cpu, installed a 32 core 5975wx paired with a 6750 xt a week ago and its a beast, my daughter plays alot of games remotely on it
I picked up a dual socket Dell t5600 with 2 e52680 v1 chips for 50 bucks. I’m not sure if the motherboard supports the 2680 v2 chips but for 15 bucks for a matching pair it’s worth trying.. going to pair it with an rx 580 and see what it can do.
At this point from 2023 onwards, any secondhand CPU that doesn't have AVX2 instruction set are no longer worth buying. That means anything from Haswell family or newer. Including Xeon Haswell. They're cheap as well.
3.1ghz is default for all cores. No need for throttle stop. I have one as a server with Chinese motherboard. The main advantage of the cpu is 40 pcie lanes for more than one video card for calculations and nvme disks. and it is very cool. 60C maximum on full load
Yes, I saw that in the spec but in my initial testing both the V1 and V2 Xeons PL throttled down to their base frequencies. Maybe my motherboard is more strict with Xeons?
Would it also be possible in the future to also see results with a more realistic pairing? I know the intention is to give the CPUs the chance to stretch their legs but it's also somewhat unlikely that a person with the £600 to get a RTX 3070 is going to be pairing it with a generations old £20 Xeon.
You might be surprised in future the 40 series cards are here still be the 50 Series cards and the old ones go for sale used to usually after a while what's new and trendy one day is the old used one your finding online used the next day
@@EDV8ZR1 That's true but by the exact same token CPUs and motherboards are also going to be coming down in price on the second hand market as the new stuff comes out, which again would make the pairing of this £20 Xeon with a £600 graphics card unlikely to happen. Plus with the price Nvidia are charging for the 4000 series of cards, I think the 3000 series is going to be holding its value for quite a while yet.
@@EDV8ZR1 But this isn't a thrifty pairing. You can get a Ryzen 5 1600AF, motherboard, 8GB of RAM, and and a RTX 3060 for around the same price as just a 3070. That make this £20 CPU paired with a 3070 even more unlikely to happen for a thrifty shopper. Like I said I understand wanting to give a CPU the best showing possible but I also don't think I am wrong in wanting to see what performance people are mostly likely going to see.
My secondary system is a E5 2667v2 that i was able to bclk overclock to 4.1ghz with single core of 4.5ghz, and is still runs almost everything i throw at it.
If you care strictly about gaming, go for less cores with higher GHz. If you care about doing professional work, then definitely as many cores as you can get (assuming your workload can handle CPUs with a high number of threads and can scale nicely)
The 5775C walks all over the Xeon, over 50% faster in some titles. The exceptions are Cyberpunk (5-10% win to the Xeon) and RDR2 (roughly a tie in averages, though the 5775C wins in 1% and 0.1%s)
Cyberpunk on old DDR3 systems seems to be locked at 60-70fps regardless of GPU. For fun I stuck my 2070 into my AMD 9590 rig and no matter the resolution, always 60-70fps average. Maybe it's memory speed, maybe it's the PCIE 2.0 slot, not exactly sure. Seems like I should be getting higher frames.
2690v2 is the best,in my opinion, from that generation. 114 bclk oc with turbo bust and it flies,3762 all core and 4100 single, it's my secondary rig now( found 1920x+mobo+dark rock pro tr4 for 300e..... yep first and second gen threadripper are cheap now and quite good value)
@@goranradovic191 Interesting, thank you! I didn't push more back to 112+ yet since i had a weird glitch for a full month. 8 sticks of 4gb (previous owner was an idiot, even if it was a gift to me, lmao) running CL10 2076mhz. 111,1 BCLK 3.67 all core for now. Rampage IV Black Edition.
@@snaky115 Well the absolute best from thath gen is asus P9X79 WS dual socket, pair that board with 2687w v2 2x and crank bclk to 110-114 and you have a 16 core (4.2 all core and 4.5 single) monster. And yes P9X79 WS du support bclk overclock😁
I've been thinking of a Xeon in my HP Elite 8300 USDT, it would mean I would have to run grafx via the mining riser all the time but it is tempting, kinda narrow window for xeonry for the gen 3 socket but its got an i7 in there at the mo and tbh I don't think the 7 has anything over the i5 I replaced with it :S
He he, a Xeon E5450, was the first (desktop) CPU I bought. Xeons have a special place in my heart. But fuck, I need to get it running. Kinda gave up with the microcoding shenanigans. 4 cores 4 threads and 4Ghz was pretty impressive for LGA775 5 years ago. Still is a bit in my opinion. The pitfalls of Xeons is usually getting a motherboard that is obscure and expensive. Many of them can't overclock and compared to on paper the results are sometimes disappointing. Does make one impressive Lan party machine and if all the stars have aligned and you have everything you need to run a Xeon, get it.
i've ordered this chip and am still waiting for it, now it bothers me that the 3960x and 7700 are better :( at least i paid 50 quid for the case+mb+stock cooler+psu . could you check the power draw please ?
With all this talk of lack of AVX 2, it makes me want to do some testing with my VIA C4650. It has AVX 2 but is a really weak CPU. Last time I used it, I paired it with a GT 1030 and struggled to get 30 FPS in CS:GO. It's definitely the CPU holding back the GPU. I wonder, if I pair it with my spare GTX 1070 ti, then can I find a GPU intensive game to make the CPU playable.
One albeit weird use case for the IB Xeon's are that you can actually still use Windows XP all the way upto Windows 10 drivers, as long as you graphics card support XP (The original GTX Titan's have XP support weirdly) you could have a ridiculous multi boot WinXP-Win10 build
