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I think the Disney one is pretty easy to explain. Russell was a popular child star at the time and was under contract with Disney, Walt was probably putting together a list of actors for some kind of upcoming role or something and died whilst doing it. That's pure speculation on my part, but Walt Disney writing down the name of one of his talents isn't really all that far fetched.
I don't know why, but the Kurt Russel one made me laugh. All I can think about is Walt just laying in bed dying à la Citizen Cane, and just mutters "Kurt Russle" and dies.
Well legally they're right, though of course that's how juries work. But dear Lord, it was so inconceivable that he'd commit any kind of crime after that that Chris Rock made fun of it: "Another kid, Michael? That's like OJ and another dead white woman!" Of course, either OJ is completely horrible, or OJ is an idiot.
The most interesting part about the Vader story isn't mentioned here. The fact that not even the cast knew about the paternal revelation until the premiere. During the shooting of the iconic scene, David Prowse said the line "Obi Wan killed your father". The only people who knew about the change were Lucas, the Foley editor, and James Earl Jones. There is even an interview of Mark Hamill discussing his shock at seeing the change when he watched the film.
RDJ is always a great casting call for flawed eccentrics. Great as Chaplin, awesome as Stark, brilliantly mercurial (and closer to the books than any other actor except Jeremy Brett) as Sherlock Holmes.
Actually OJ had the part and Arnold had the part as Reese cause they figured Reese had to be a big battle hardened soldier to take on the terminator. But Arnold was fascinated with the terminator role because of West World (he was a fan of the androids in the movie). So while having dinner with James Cameron he kept giving his opinions and observations about the terminator character. Eventually James Cameron just told him why don’t you just play the terminator because he obviously knew what it would take for the character.
Yeah, nice vid. I love the thing about "Lucas always had the Trilogy/ Prequels mapped out" being debunked. To expand on what Adam says: On the Death Star, Vader "senses a presence...". Really. That's his old master, his TWO kids, and his old droids, ONE OF WHICH HE MADE HIMSELF running around. He should be having a f**king seizure. xD
... except that the line continues, "... a presence I've not felt since...". He wasn't there for the birth of his children, and it's extremely unlikely that droids, as artificial life forms, would have a link to The Force... so the only recollection he could have is that of Obi-Wan's Force "signature". Vader also states "The Force is strong with this one" as he's pursuing Luke down the trench, which doesn't suggest that he's familiar with the individual in that X-wing.
OK, you took it a bit seriously, aqacefan, but cool. I'll give you the droids; but not knowing who his own son is...? Hmm. Goes to prove my point a bit, no?
I'm open to Vader saying, "The Force is strong with this one", and continuing (as a thought) "Could it be...?". But who knows from GL's thought process (such as it is?). Good call, and MTFBWY ;)
My partner told me that in the scene with Luke and Vader the lines were different. The actor playing Vader's line was "I killed your father." Whereas the voice over script was "I am your father." When put like that his reaction makes more sense.
I believe he was the original person envision for that role. He didn't get it, but did get another role in the film as well as some other Cameron films. Great actor.
Exactly...Cameron wrote the role as Bishop exclusively for Lance for taking away the Terminator role...as well as writing in the detective character role in Terminator when the final casting had been chosen.
I thought he was basically cast to be the Terminator, but Arnold wanted the Terminator role and it was changed up Obviously, Lance isn't Kyle Reese, but James Cameron is loyal and made sure he was in the Terminator and Aliens.
In Universe, its after Vader's interaction with Luke in the Death Star battle that he realises this guy is his son because he senses how strong the force is with Luke. So Lucas had a ready made way to retcon Luke's father and claim it was always the case.
It's technically not "allegedly" anymore. He was acquitted. I'm not saying I necessarily think he should have been, but there's really no reason to add allegedly.
Paul M - I notice that your post was edited, so maybe something got "lost in translation". Under U.S. law, OJ was found criminally not guilty, so unless some pretty BIG and fucking amazing evidence (not even OJ finding Jeebus and starts telling everyone who would listen that he did it would do the trick). The LAPD has closed the case, as they are convinced OJ did it. Civilally he was found guilty. But when it comes down to it, you could take out an ad in [whatever the biggest newspaper in L.A.is] proclaiming, "OJ, you may have tricked a jury into setting you free, but you better be ready for a lifetime in hell because you killed those two people!", and he would have no civil recourse against you (i.e. - suing you for slander).
Umm.... hmm.... ermmm.... is it going to be too nerdy of me to say that the line ought to be "bantha poodoo" instead of "bantha fodder"? Yeah, it is. Okay never mind.
It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense. Plenty of things in the SW films don't make sense. Per the on-screen translation from Return of the Jedi poodoo means fodder.
to be technical he does videos for whatculture's wrestling channel and to be fair not only does he do that but he is a booker for WCPW so he can't be jumping around doing videos for all three channels
Speaking of Poltergeist, Tobe Hooper revealed shortly before his death that Spielberg actually directed the film. Hooper was asked to be pose as the movie 's director because Spielberg was worried it'd somehow tarnish the upcoming release of his movie that year: E. T.
Well Kurt Russell did start off working for Disney as a child actor. John Carpenter has confirmed that as a child, Kurt got his start and training with Disney. So there's a connection right there. But why Walt Disney himself would write down Kurt's name right before he passed away is still strange.
when I was a kid I was told that George Reeves, the original Superman on tv in the 50s, had committed suicide by jumping out of the top floor of a skyscraper with his Superman costume on as if he could really fly. I later learned that he had died in his bathtub under mysterious circumstances that may or may not have been suicide but far from "flying." There was also the rumor that Jodie from Family Affair died in Vietnam (he was a 12 when the war ended in 1973) but his tv sister Buffy did die tragically of a drug overdose in 1976 at age 18.
Lucas lied about so many things with Star Wars. I never liked that he claimed he had the whole thing mapped out from the start. Such BS. Had he admitted the truth back in the day, he likely wouldn't be seen as such a dbag today.
No, he would still be a douchebag. Partially because of the constant re-edits that marred the original trilogy, but mostly because of those *fucking prequels*. ant over
Pete Brown I also believe that Episode 3 was the best of the prequels. But, it still irks me to see one of the most evil characters in the universe portrayed as a whiny, sniveling punk. He even bitched out at the end with that "Noooooo!" nonsense.
+rexfellis totally agree. The fall to the dark side was not believable at all. That's one set of movies that I hope will someday get a Star Trek-like reboot.
The idea that Episode 3 wasn't bad is, I believe, as result of people having already seen 1 & 2. Yes, by comparison to those two movies it's not bad, but judged on it's own, it's still a bad movie. It's just that it's a 2 star bad instead of a 1 star bad.
"What did Obi Wan tell you of your father?" "He told me enough. He told me you killed him." The original line that was spoken on set by David Prowse was "No, Obi Wan Killed your father!" Luke's subsequent overreaction was in response to this line which makes it a bit more palatable. When the line was replaced by Lucas in post production "No, I am your father" for the script James Earl Jones read to redub Darth Vader, Hamil's performance seems a bit out of place. He responds with laughable anguish and despair, instead of stunned silence. No one outside of Lucas and Jones knew of the rewrite until they saw it at the premier.
Anguish and despair seems to me like a rather appropriate response for a good guy who was just told that the galaxies most feared villain who is responsible for blowing up a whole planet is actually his father. Imagine you grew up as an orphan and suddenly found out you were a son of Adolf Hitler
Chris Rudolf While you should automatically lose the argument under Godwin's Law, I heard that's been suspended for the next four years or so for _some_ reason, so I consider your point very valid.
Darth Vader not from the start Luke's father, eh? Ironically "Vader" is the Dutch word for "Father" and some people claim Lucas actually knew that giving a secret hint this way. Of course, in Dutch the word "Vader" pronounced completely different from the character's name (and that's why nobody in the Netherlands gets confused about this). Leia kissing Luke was always seen as the "solid evidence" the brother-sister relation was brought up later, though in Leia's defense I must say Leia wasn't aware of the blood ties at the time, plus neither Luke nor Leia were trained far enough in the usage of the Force to accurately tell. Darth Vader on the other hand should have been able to detect from the start when he was facing Leia already at the start of the very first movie, that she was his daughter, but he actually finds out at the end of "Return of the Jedi". Luke's case may have been a bit harder as in the space battle it may have been harder to truly pinpoint him, but Leia at the start of the film was standing right before his face, and he could even touch her (I need to watch the movie again to see if he actually did).
Yes, films are often filled with plot holes and lapses in logic that can call things like this into question. I have no idea if Vader being Luke's father was always Lucas's intent, and I would kinda like to know just precisely how those who made this list can state with such certainty that the claim is untrue.
While it may be true that "Vader" is the Dutch word for father, the different pronunciation can be accredited to the fact that "Darth Vader" was derived from Dark Invader. In fact, in one language, he is known as Dark Vador.
They are. The prequel movies were pretty clear on that one. Luke and Leia are twins. They are both children from Padmé and Anakin, the latter now being Darth Vader. In "Return of the Jedi" you can also see that when Luke tells Leia he is her brother that Leia realises that means Vader is also her father (if Luke didn't already tell her as I need to re-watch the movie to make sure). I am told that in some novels taking place after the movies Luke even trains Leia in proper usage of the Force as she inherited a talent for that from her father, and Luke wanted to rule out the slightest chance she'd fall to the Dark Side, only due to her ignorance about the dangers of the Force. Darth Vader also says something like "Obi Wan was wise to hide her existence from me". Another clear mention about their family ties, after all, why hide Leia when she wasn't his daughter?
What I heard was that George kept the whole Vader being Luke's dad thing a secret all the way up until James Earl Jones did the voice over. They even had the actor in the Vader suit tell Hamel a different line during their scene together. Channels like this need to site their sources more.
My internet has a max speed of about 26Kb, which translates to adverts making every website I visit unusuable. That is the only reason to ever have adblock in my opinion.
I got 250mbps and I wont turn off ad-blockers or script-blockers because the attention-whoring of ads is unbearable and the times they jumped up just when I was about to click something and then opened up a link that made my virus scanner hick-up told me to fuck the system and leech off the people who can withstand the barrage of flashing, honking bullshit made for people with an IQ lower than that of houseplants with their version of down-syndrome. On my mobile I reload videos when unskippable ads pop up, as that usually deactivates the ads for that video entirely. I accept advertising, but not the cancerous variant everybody uses today.
Imagine if they made a film with all the lead actors being people nobody’s ever heard of, but all the extras and throwaway characters are actually big names. Just sit back and watch the audience’s heads explode when the credits roll and it’s Morgan Freeman, Tom Cruise, etc and nobody had noticed.
Lance Henriksen also was considered for the part of the Terminator. Kind of amusing in a way considering he played anther cybernetic character in another Cameron movie, Aliens as Bishop.
Holy shit, you just made me consider how crazy The Joker would be if he was played by Tom Cruise! JEEEZUS! If things don't work out with Leto they could fall back on Tommy and just dress him in a purple suit and tell him to talk about Katie Holmes for 2 hours and cut the footage in with Ben Affleck running for his life. Solid gold.
Regarding the last one. Anakien Skywalker never knew the name of his child or that there was a twin sister. Also, Jedi seem to be able to hide their ID when they haven't learned the ways of the force in the same way the Sith can hide their ID on purpose.
I'm certain Luke's father was supposed to be Ben Kenobi. That's why the "fake" script David Prowse was given had that as the big reveal, it wasn't fake originally, I'm sure. Even further supported by the Jedi novelization having Ben's ghost say that Uncle Owen was his brother.
Excellent - informative, entertaining, interesting and not a word wasted in 10 items in just 7 and a bit minutes. So, well researched, well paced and well delivered. Superb!
One problem with the Darth Vader story. It wasn't in the final script because Lucas kept it a secret and had Darth Vader state that Obi Wan killed Luke's father on set. It was corrected when James Earl Jones did the voiceover. But in 1978 Dave Prowse gave an interview in a fanzine titled Little Shop of Horrors in which he casually mentioned that Darth Vader was Luke's father two years before Empire came out, so that had long been planned.
And then there's the name. Vader = father. And the fact that the whole thing is based on the common mythological story of a prince being hidden from his murderous father before coming out of hiding to defeat him.
also Lance Henrikson was gunning for the role of the T-1000 and a lot of the cast were impressed by his impression but ultimately lost to Arnold, but he ended up using it in the film "Aliens" as Bishop!
I heard a radio interview a long time ago when Tom Hanks said he had a cameo in Real Genius. Everyone says I'm wrong, but I know what I heard. But the interview never said where he his cameo was. However, I still thinks it's legit. In Real Genius, when Mitch backs-up and bumps into a guy at the party (at the beginning of the movie) that is Tom Hanks. He has the same "afro" he had in the beginning of his career. But wait! Neal Israel wrote both Real Genius and Bachelor Party. He also directed Bachelor Party, starring Tom Hanks and, in this same interview, Hanks said both films were filmed "on the same lot." The director of Real Genius (Martha Coolidge) needed extras for the party scenes and the most of the cast of Bachelor Party just went over to the set.
Final myth: It wasn't in the original script because they were trying to hide it. George Lucas's original material before New Hope's script was made, is FULL of differences from the movies, Han being an alien, Luke being Starkiller, just... a mess. But Darth Vader has always been an allusion to the words "Dark Father." You can tell that by the time New Hope was in production that George Lucas intended for this reveal because of the acting direction given to Sir Alec Guinness, and his hesitation before lying to Luke. George Lucas has also, for decades, argued that he imagined Star Wars as a science fiction version of a Soap Opera...hence the familial reveals. Essentially, the idea is that the entire Galaxy is in turmoil due to a family dispute at the heart of it.
No it wasn't. The original Star Wars' first draft has Darth Vader has some general with no relation to Annakin Starkiller and his father Kane Starkiller. Even the first draft of The Empire Strikes Back still has Vader and Anakin as separate people.
I literally fucking said that, you skimming shit: "George Lucas's original material before New Hope's script was made, is FULL of differences from the movies, Han being an alien, Luke being Starkiller, just... a mess." Yes, we've both read the comic based on the original script - but it was still made AFTER the fact. AFTER retrospect. His original script was a mess - and the "General" Darth Vader, was still going to be revealed as someone's fucking father. And the original Empire script was written the way it was - with one key exception: James Earl Jones's script, which contains the line "I am your father" as opposed to "Obiwan killed your father" which was ALWAYS going to be part of post-production. That's how they kept the secret - and yet it STILL managed to leak.
And by the way, the proof that even the comic book based on the original script has been altered, is that most of the CB characters don't match the original concept art, which was paired with his script - ESPECIALLY Darth Vader, who was ALWAYS imagined in dark armor, as a fallen hero figure, despite what retrospective statements would have you believe. I've been watching the ever-changing extra material for every release of Star Wars since it came out to VHS, and I can tell you that George Lucas has changed his official statement on things more than he's physically edited the movies - and you know how many times he's done that!
Croecho Yeah dude I read your whole original comment and I'm not talking about the comic at all, only the rough draft starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars:_Rough_Draft. Vader is the main antagonist with no relationship to anybody and no one's father. The only father figure is Kane Starkiller, Annakin's father and he dies halfway through the script. And the only reason Vader has armour is that it was designed by Ralph Macquarrie to be a spacesuit he wore because there was a scene where Vader traveled between ships through space.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vader%27s_armor#Behind_the_scenes Leigh Brackett's original script for The Empire Strikes, written in 1978, has scenes where Luke talks to the spirit of his father Anakin who is explicitly a completely different person from Vader. www.geeksofdoom.com/2010/05/15/early-draft-of-empire-strikes-back-reveals-alternate-star-wars-universe It is a completely different draft than the later one written by Lawrence Kasdan in 1980.
According to Mark Hammel the original twist for the empire strikes back was to have Darth Vader say “You don’t know the truth Obi-Wan killed your father.” And then have Obi-Wan look like the true villain.
I thought the myth from the thumbnail was going to be "while filming Saving Mr. Banks, Tom Hanks couldn't stop thinking about the movie Escape from New York".
Lucas certainly had it in mind that Vader would be Luke's father in 1978, because that's when Dave Prowse revealed it in an interview. Asked if he would be back for a sequel, he replied that yes he would, and he was looking forward to it because the film would reveal that Vader and Skywalker were father and son. Lucas was reportedly furious at the spoiler, and Prowse was henceforth banned from any further publicity appearances. So maybe not such a late addition to the script as all that...
Interesting as Dave Prowse allegedly ruined the ending to Empire by saying that Darth Vader would be unveiled as Luke's father shortly after the first film came out.
If Kurt wasn't such a nice guy, he probably could argue that's what Disney meant. Good thing Walt died long before other Disney employees came about. Can you imagine if he had written Lindsey Lohan instead of Kurt Russell? She would be in court to this day fighting for his estate.
Who's the most underrated actor in the world? Dolph Lundgren. I can't wait until Mac and Charlie finally get Crime Stinks: The Smell of Penetration made with Dolph in it! It'll be awesome!
You could have helped debunk the whole frozen head of Walt Disney thing further by quickly adding that he was cremated (which I've always found ironic because he died from lung cancer) and his ashes are in a private mausoleum at the Forest Lawn Cemetery in Los Angeles.
I like the idea of Arnold being the Terminator....yeah he is a body builder, but body builders still exist, they still walk around our cities. Might not be so common to see, but you do see uncommon people without assuming they are going to do any harm. So he still blends in fine.
***** Yeah but my point was that he isn't the most bizarre looking person you'll ever see. He fit the role. Maybe in L.A. that body type is just more common. Even so, the machines chose a look for him that would be accepted by other human beings even if he would get funny looks, and it worked. If you saw a man like that walking the streets, you'd still accept him as human, that is all they needed. Guess they wanted a machine people would be less likely to challenge, even if the cyborg can obviously handle itself.
***** But he still played the role of an acceptable looking human being. We see muscles all over the media so it isn't that unusual to see them, so then seeing them on the streets might be unusual yeah, but you would still think body builder, not harmful machine. So he still blended in amongst the humans there, they accepted him as one of their own. He might not have blended in on a superficial level, but as a type of human that exists that we all know of, he succeeded. Acceptance is all the machine needed and it got it.
+Mr Peaches Latour Terminators were created to infiltrate rebel teams and hideouts, but the rebels found out that dogs could smell the difference, so they had guard dogs check each returning combat team to check if any of the soldiers had been replaced by terminators. Now model T-100 was obviously designed to look like a strong rebel soldier, not a smaller one like Kyle. Later models could impersonate any actual rebel, but still failed the smell test.
See, the problem I have with that (and the way the rebels looked in Genysis) is that these people live in dire conditions and getting food, water, and medicine is clearly difficult. They should (and realistically would) have all looked like Kyle in the original film - malnourished, wiry, and twitchy. Giant dudes with heavy accents who do not emote with either their voice or face would not blend in at all.
I read in a old magazine called LITTLE SHOP OF HORROR a interview with David Prouse before he filmed EMPIRE STRIKES BACK where he revilled that Vader was Luke's father. So he knew before he filmed EMPIRE that Vader was Luke's father. In the interview he stated he was getting ready to leave to film EMPIRE.
Vader couldn’t sense Luke’s identity because he had never met him. After all, he wasn’t sure what the “presence” he had “not felt since...” was without some contemplation and that was his former master so how could he have known who this rebel pilot was? He sensed that the Force was strong with Luke, but nowhere else are we led to believe that the Force tells you the identity of people you’ve never met. His last name WAS a giveaway, though, as it is clearly stated in the opening crawl of Empire that he was looking for the young rebel who blew up the Death Star. You might be right, the twist might have been on the fly, but those two points don’t prove it.
The other Star Wars quirk? Luke could sense that Leia was his SISTER, but Vader didn't know until Luke leaked it? Vader captured Leia and tortured her before Luke was even introduced to the story. Vader was the most powerful Force Sensitive EVER, and couldn't sense his own daughter. On the other hand "Vader" is Father in German so it does seem obvious that Lucas intended him to be SOMEBODY'S father. But then Lucas made up names on the spot for most of the characters, and most of the Sith have odd names that remove a syllable from a normal word. Darth Sidious = "In"-sidious. Darth Vader = "In"-vader. Maul was about the only one who didn't do that. And then there is Lucas's "I had this whole thing wrote out years ago" - which is why he kept changing plot elements with each re-release? :P
How is Charlie supposed to comeback during the zombie apocalypse if he has to scratch his way through 6 feet of cement? That is serious lack of foresight on his family's part...
The myth that Lucas had all the Star Wars movies written before A NEW HOPE even began filming is just that as well, a myth, especially since now that the Mouse owns the franchise people have spoken out saying that Lucas didn't even write ANH, but instead took over when his writer died of cancer (original script and interviews available online just go Google it)
In the film Crimson Tide the head of the review board that Gene Hackman and Denzil Washington's characters appeared before was none other than Ed O'Neill of Al Bundy fame. But he was cut after test audiences laughed when he appeared in screen having just became a hit on Maried with Children that came out shortly before the film was released.
The funny thing is: In 1978 David Prowse, who played Darth Vader, spoiled the entire "Luke, I am your father" thing, including the lightsaber fight and everything. And that was before filming for The Empire Strikes Back even started: io9.gizmodo.com/5684916/in-1978-darth-vaders-actor-spoiled-the-empire-strikes-backs-ending-to-a-local-newspaper/ So I am not sure if this inspired George Lucas to change it later on or if David Prowse made up something and just guessed right. Back then there was no internet, so this spoider didn't get more well-known.
Just for those who don't have a copy of the Wizard of Oz you can pause. The hanging Munchkin in the background was an ostrich loose on set from the previous scene.
please make adam the permanent host of what culture. He is miles better than all the other hosts. I find myself praying that its adam every episode. Also your channel will grow aster if you do so since you get almost no dislikes if adam is hosting the episode.
you forgot the most iconic movie myth that turned out true... just days before the theater release of jurassic park archeologists found a real life skeleton of you guessed it, the velociraptor, who from that moment forward has held the nickname the Hollywood dinosaur.
I doubt the record keeping on a remote desert planet like Tatooine is so thorough and exemplary that Luke using his real name would raise any alarms for the empire...
I just watched the Star Wars documentary and Lucas said that he had always intended for Vader to be Luke's father. The only reason this was considered as being last minute was the fact they went out of their way to keep this twist as secretive as possible. Only Lucas, Irvin Kershner, the editor, and James Earl Jones knew about it through the whole time of filming. Not even Mark knew until 5 minutes before shooting the now famous scene. Even the man in the Vader suit, David Prowse, didn't know and was saying something completely different then what James actually voiced. While filming David was giving the line "Obi-Wan killed your father" not knowing what was really going to be said. Just a little bit of history for y'all
I didn't know about Tom in YG. I know that Bon Jovi was in YG2; which I've had plenty of people disagree with me about. It seems like anyone who knows Emilio and visits him while he's on location, they will get a small role in the film.
It is very true that he had that hole dad thing mapped out starting in the first drafts in the early 70’s which is very much a part of a Greek tragedy which Star Wars mimics. There is a video here somewhere on RU-vid about Lucas’s plan. The issue is, Lucas is wishing washy and changed his mind often (ex.,Wookiee’s became Ewoks). I don’t think even Lucas knows the truth.
Stone Cold Steve Austin broke Slys neck while making The Expendables and was going to put him in Expendables 2 as his twin brother and even said something along the lines of "I've got to fight that ******* again"
When I first came across this video, I saw the picture that came with it. It featured Tom Hanks as Walt Disney in Saving Mr. Banks with a thought bubble featuring Kurt Russell as Snake Pliskin (I might have spelled that wrong). When I first saw that, I thought "Did Walt Disney come up with the idea for Escape From New York"? Sure, the movie came out 15 years after Walt's death, but there is a thing called development hell. But no that wasn't the case.