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I would love to see Jenny and River travel together. Think about it, River wanted a child and while Jenny isn't biologically hers, by marrige she is still her mother. I think it would be a great pairing. They're both adventurous and not afraid to bend the Doctor's rules when needed. I'd love to see a show where the two of them and maybe Luke Smith and K-9 go travelling.
I want a 13/River/Jenny/Susan adventure. (Ok, I may have already written most of that before Jodie took over, but….yeah, shameless plug for my fic Albion.)
I love the Big Finish story where River gets to meet Susan. It's so sweet to hear them interact and get along, even though Susan doesn't know what River's connection to her is.
The Master in series 12 also fits perfectly the description of the Hybrid, a mix of Timelord and Cibermen (he has the cyber thing in his head) and he literraly destroyed all of Gallifrey.
@@Kephy_ according to the 1996 movie it was stated that he was when the master looked at his eye and saw it had a human retina pattern with the master saying he’s half human
@@kevin10001 It's not canon and the Doctor didn't destroy Gallifrey, so he can't be the Hybrid because the Hybrid is supposed to destroy Gallifrey like the real Hybrid, the Master, did.
My theory about the Master after Missy is that the Master doesn't trust anyone even himself/herself. He has had a plan for if he ever dies. Remember he had stolen the body of Nyssa's father, stolen the body of the ambulance driver and had followers try to resurrect him when his wife interfered. That tells me that Missy had a backup plan for if she died.
Personally, my theory was that the cybermen found her body, determined it would make a useful cyber planner (just as they once used the doctor), and effectively saved her life by recruiting her into their ranks. In my story about this, it would take missy a long time to return to regain a sense of self as being recruited while effectively deceased allowed the cyber planner to be much more effective in its takeover of the time lady. Eventually, her own personality would begin to emerge, though at the same time, she would be very much aware of the coming of the next incarnation, a dark presence that wanted to break free and "have some fun". Missy would be unwilling to let this happen and refuse to regenerate. Eventually, the ship would break free of the black hole and set course for Mondas but missy would sense that the timeline was starting to shift. She would come to realize that the cybermen aboard the ship were vastly more sophisticated than the ones the doctor had encountered from Mondas and if they were allowed to remain so there was a danger that they would be victorious, killing the doctor permanently in his first incarnation. Finally in order to preserve the timeline and save her friend Missy would willingly regenerate, burning away the cyber planner and everything connected to it (save for the most primitive units which had a less advanced connection and would go on to infect Mondas). Her last words would be "Without hope, without witness, without reward".
Was honestly one of the worst things Chibnall did was just making The Master evil again, completely shitting on the entire story and character growth Missy had.
@@Noobie2k7 Missy did join forces with John Simm's Master in the last episode of Capaldi's run before the regeneration episode so, that wasn't Chibnall who did that.
@@Noobie2k7 Chibnall had nothing to do with that, The Master/Lumiat death with him/her becoming evil again happened in the Peter Capaldi era before the Thirteenth Doctor.
Anyone else think that the Hybrid was the Doctor Donna? And everyone was just freaking out about a prophecy that already passed and seems like it’s about to resurface
Something I don't get is that Donna can't survive even though she technically became part timelord, when David clone doctor can survive after becoming half human. Wouldn't that make them the same either both live or both die. And how just erasing her mind saved her it was the energy and timelord knowledge killing her. I think with her coming back for 60th u should find out her body just need time to adapt and see has all memories back and is stable. Or it would make no sense to have her in the 60th. Also what happened to Dr clone that stayed with rose. Because we see rose after in multiple episodes but not a word about clone Dr.
Ah, but Susan DID make it back to Gallifrey, thanks to the Doctor, and on television no less! Or has everyone forgotten about her appearance in "The Five Doctors"?
The weekend of 24 February 1985 I along with a growing circle of Whovian friends attended a convention in King of Prussia Pennsylvania, at which Colin Baker was the guest of honour. There, to thunderous applause, he proclaimed his intent to break Tom Baker's seven year record playing the Doctor, unaware that at That Very Time Beach at the Beeb, Michael Grade was trying to beat the record for Most Evil Human Alive, cancelling the series. When the international backlash hit, the BBC suddenly was all, "Oh, did we say 'cancelled'? We _meant_ 'retooled'..." When Sylvester McCoy was cast and his first series completed, still-showrunner John Nathan Turner was still attending American conventions. My best friend Dave (who I literally met during the February '85 convention), got on the mic for Q&A, particularly as JNT had just boasted that the upcoming regeneration would be "unlike anything we'd ever seen"... As we correctly suspected, Colin did _not_ allow lemon juice and raw salt to be poured into the wound of his being unceremoniously sacked, and refused to "help" with being regenerated, Dave asked JNT, "So, what then? You're just gonna start the episode with Sylvester McCoy lying on the floor wearing Colin's outfit and a Harpo Marx wig, and you're going to roll him over with a blurry face and it's going to become Sylvester?" JNT was aghast at the clear accurate prediction, his silent expression that of a deer in headlights. I do not recall if he even gave a response. So what did we get? Sylvester McCoy lying on the floor wearing Colin's outfit and a Harpo Marx wig, rolling over with a blurred face, settling in to become Sylvester... 🤦
@@WhoCulture I wish I'd have been in attendance to that one as well. In the 1980s (the Golden Age of American _Doctor Who_ conventions), the circle of friends I mentioned were all high-end cosplayers. Our Dan was all but a clone of Tom Baker (though eventually it turned out he _really_ was a clone of Nick Rowe with the _Young Sherlock Holmes_ movie), with a mega accurate Forth Doctor outfit; Dave had a perfect Fifth Doctor outfit, and _my_ outfit was spot-on accurate Roger Delgado Master outfit (Jon Pertwee was astonished when he first saw me [at the first convention at which I wore it]; her literally stopped the panel at which he was speaking, to "point out this gentleman down here who looks _exactly_ like my ol' friend Roger..."). I do have photos of Pertwee and I together; at that convention anytime we were in the same room we were put together for photos. If you visit my FB profile [Geoffrey Gould], scroll down to late February (where I point out the anniversary of Dave and my first meeting), I posted a collage of pics with Dave and I in our outfits. Pity one can't post pics in RU-vid comments... 😉 _Love_ your channel and videos, btw...
Finally a WhoCulture video that dives into Big Finish, Doctor Who Monthly, and the comics??? I hope this marks a new era for this channel, with a larger scope for the bigger DW fandom. Sign me up!
With Missy, I think they missed an opportunity. The last time we saw her, the other, earlier incarnation of The Master kills her. However, there is a detail in that episode that could have been used to revive her: The Cybermen were programmed by The Doctor to track two-hearted creatures, which of course Missy would be one, the Cybermen could arrive shortly after her apparent death and revive her, possibly reviving her and assimilating her into a Cyberman/Cyberwoman. I think this would have been a cool resurrection for her, she could have become like an evil leader queen of the Cybermen (although I do know it is a bit redundant since we already had a medieval immortal queen do this, but there are lots of other redundant things in Doctor Who anyway...). Missy could somehow die later as the Cyberwoman and then regenerate into the next incarnation of The Master.
I think Chronologically the Two Doctors is supposed to take place after Fury From the Deep. Because the Mention Victoria's departure that took place in that Story.
The BBC PDA novel Spiral scratch actually explained the 6th Doctors regeneration way before Big Finish and imo is a much better version than its big finish counter part
And the unofficial fan-published Time's Champion by Craig Hinton & Chris McKeon gives another version of the end of the Sixth, arguably better than Spiral Scratch.
I never really thought much about the Missy to Spy-Master transition. I mean, It's not like we haven't seen radical personality shifts from the Doctor after regeneration
Love this! I really enjoyed the story about the future version of Adam Mitchell, and the doctor who magazine story about the continuation of the 14th doctor's adventures is amazing! 😊😊
To love 6 you just have to consider all his audios cannon because they are very emotional at times making him rival even Tennant think he's still going to
Oh yeah so she did and it's funnier when you think she's the actual daughter of another actor who played The Doctor, Peter Davison, so I hope she and David never get up to any bedroom Dr Who roleplay!
-Jennie was a Gallifreyan but not a Time Lord because she never looked into that time schism. I would love to see her in a spin-off series where she searches for the Dr or Gallifrey and has adventures along the way. -I would love to see a spin-off series with Romana getting tired of Gallifrey boredom and remembering her adventures with the Dr and deciding to sign out a TARDIS and doing 'unofficial jobs' for the Time lords and an occasional adventure on her own. -Clara and Me was a set-up for a spin-off series. I would love to have seen that. -The Ruth-Dr was only one episode but she OWNED being the Dr! A series of her would be worth watching. -There are 7 or 8 doctors before Hartnell, all presumed to have remaining, mostly, on Gallifrey. Hartnell was the first who left. Why? Maybe because his prior incarnations occasionally left Gallifrey for mission and Hartnell anted to live that life forever. The known Drs had adventures that were alluded to or never mentioned (he was in his 700s). A side-series showing these and other unwritten episodes of the known Dr would be worth watching. -A series showing people and their lives after the Dr. Like how they tried to talk about the Dr or how they tried to return to normal life after the Dr.
It would be amazing to finally see what happened to Amy and Rory in the past, adopting their son, and Amy becoming an author, trying to figure out how to live in WW2 era New York lol.
In fact, I believe they talk about being able to get back to Victoria, even thought the Doctor had no control over where the TARDIS went during that incarnation. They should have written it as between Fury From the Deep and The Wheel In Space, but I do not recall that being the case.
SPIRAL SCRATCH was the sixth doctor's finale, a bbc book that predates big finish's last adventure. When the novels were still in print, they were generally considered canon - moreso than BF
Spoilers!!! I love Big Finishs "Masterful" a story with all the Masters combined. Two lines still make me laugh SPOILERS!! First the pre-Missy Masters see the Lumiat and go like "Who is this?" and Missy answers "A scene stealing adition" Second, all the Masters wonder why they meet and Missy says "Oh, thats because the universe was blown up, by Gandalfs Husband overthere!" Thats a reference to Sir Derek Jacobi (the War Master) who played the Husband of Sir Ian McKellen (Gandalf) in 2013s "Vicious"
I am personally upset at the real life reason for Jenny to not return to the show, and the fault of British propriety. Actress Georgia Moffett(Tennant) met the man who would become her husband, actor David Tennant, while on set for her one and only appearance on Doctor Who. Yes, for anyone who didn't know this, the 10th Doctor married his daughter. Or at least that is what the British were concerned people would say. They are still married and have 5 children together. Of course, the fact that Georgia Tennant is the real life daughter of the 5th Doctor also made her a perfect candidate for this role.
Living in the US, my first exposure to Dr. Who was the 4th doctor played by Tom Baker. I was hooked. It wasn't until a friend of mine gave me a video tape of "The Three Doctors" that I really understood the previous ones. With the continuation with the 10th doctor, it renewed my interest in the whole series. With Jenny, it was a huge disappointment that she was not included with traveling with the Doctor and Donna. Thought Donna and Jenny would have been great together. It's these kinds of videos that help piece things together.
I've been wondering about the Doctor's Daughter a lot. Now, I'll state right now that I'm not nearly as deeply entrenched in Who-lore as so many others, so I may be harping on something that has already been hashed out a million times. But it seems to me that she is one of two characters who have never been fully fleshed out. There is also the Doctor's Granddaughter. We were never given much in the way of a backstory for Susan. Could Jenny be her mother? That would really make her relationship with the First Doctor quite interesting, wouldn't it? It's all very timey wimey, but wouldn't it be just like the Doctor to have grandchildren before he ever had children? Again, I'm not so well versed in the Whoniverse as I'd like to be. If I'm being an idiot, be kind to me and explain where I'm going off track.
Susan has multiple contradictory back stories and two different real names. They can't even agree if she's his biological granddaughter (or even which parent is related to him), adopted granddaughter, or the granddaughter of the Time Lord the Doctor is sometimes the reincarnation of. The closest thing to an official explanation is that her true backstory was hidden in the same manner as the Doctor's name (that or due to timey-wimely shenanigans they're all equally true). The only things they all agree on are that she was a young child when the Doctor took custody of her and they both fled Time Lord society together.
@@BrandonVout With the new retcons to the lore, I'm thinking Susan is actually just another human doctor like with 10 and his human clone. Timeless child wants a normal life with a family, creates a version of self that regenerates without timelord powers. Then is raised by themselves with no memory of the event.
Thanks Ellie, I was wondering if Missy (Master) has gotten her spin-off already, be it in comics or on screen? I found her dual personality quite addictive to the point that I'd like to see more mischeaving adventures.
One MAJOR goof, happened on the final episode, and no-one seemed to see it. One particular member of the support group, Melony Bush, companion of #6 forward til she left the ice planet with Sabalom Glitz. If no-one had heard the Alternate stories, would've never known how she got back to earth.
Inquiring minds want to know about...1. The Doctor is Merlin ("Battlefield", 7th Doctor). 2. Jim the Fish. 3. The Doctor is the Valeyard "Somewhere between the 12th and final incarnation." (The Master, "Trial of a Time Lord", 6th Doctor).
wished for a Clara spin-off series since she has her own tardus & companion. jenny Georgia did a great job playing a female doctor hoped she'd pop in like river occasionally. Kind of freaky just learning the real daughter of Davison the 5th doctor married Tennant the 10th doctor who plays her genetic father in the episode.
I always liked the idea that the Hybrid was Dalek Sec. 12 does say nothing is half dalek because they wouldn't allow anything to be half dalek, but in Evolution of the Daleks and Daleks in Manhattan Dalek Sec fuses his DNA with a human, making him a Dalek/Human hybrid.
There are too many loose ends that will never be answered, mind you we'd have said that about the Morbius Doctors, it might have taken 40 years but it did get answered eventually!
Good episode, but you forgot to mention one of the biggest mysteries in the Whoniverse - who/when is the Merlin Doctor mentioned in Battlefield? Is he a future, past, or alternative incarnation?
No the biggest mystery in the whoiverse is Susan cause she is the show’s 60 year old mystery cause we know next to nothing about her this video only mentions her departure from the show we don’t even know if she is actually the doctor’s granddaughter cause back then they didn’t care about backstory for characters and as river has stated rule 1 the doctor lies so he could have been lying about Susan
I thought the hybrid was finally more appropriately expressed with Cybermen + Time Lords. "The Hybrid" doesn't have to be an expression of a singular being, by the way. Much like "The Movement" or "The Mafia", it's a singularly stated word that can be used as a designation. My preference to close that bit was that the Master created The Hybrid while The Doctor was being held hostage. That was plenty enough explanation for me, anyway.
I love that Jenny in real life is the Daughter of Peter Davison and the wife of David Tennant,what means that the Fifth Doctor and Tenth Doctor are in the same family ( Time Crash become a whole different thing for me now lol)
Tbh in my head Missy actually dies permanently and that’s the end of the master. It’s a perfect end for the character. Any other masters can come in between there is a lot of room for other development anyway.
Thanks for sharing....but I can't believe we left out Doctor Donna here. You know. Darlek Khan said she was the last of the timelords who was trapped in the Tardis. I like to see how this plays out, since she was beamed onto the Tardis. Considering she is an ''Earth Girl', she had a lot of power. I hope they remember this. I am not sure where hybrid came from. You know. There are more than one doctor's...since the human version went to the parallel world...and according to recent comments. 14th isn't who we know, and isn't the same as before. This one is a different version. The Timeless Child I thought this would have been the Master, since he was found and used by the Timelords to corrupt him, and use him against the Darleks, which resulted in the space wars. I must admit, that was very messy Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey. The Doctor wasn't a timelord He is part human after all...but now it turns out he is something else entirely. The Master. He/she has more bodies than it was allowed. I am wondering where the 13 only rule was thrown out. Missy and John Simms....somehow they became two versions and the result is when they stabbed each other and decented in a lift, they somehow merged and because the Spy Master. Jenny. I must admit, it is great that she has her own series, and it would be nice to have her back. Her dynamics would be weird, since her father is now her husband, who is married to her mother. Yeah, and I thought House of the Dragon was a bit complicated.
I honestly believe the laptop could have just been Graham's register where people could also make notes of any other former companions they're aware of and how he could contact them! I like the idea though that it was Luke there through Mr Smith as a tribute to Sarah Jane, still think he could have gone though! Luke and K9 being there for her would have been a perfect tribute!
Isn't Jenny just a clone of the Dr? Just with the dna sequence jumbled up a bit. But would be good to see River Song in Dr again considering that her and the Dr always met out of sequance in their respective timelines.
Love your content! But I have to point out that "media" is already plural. The singular is "medium". Therefore, we can't consume the show in "other medias", but in "other media".
I don’t like to consider the offscreen stuff to be cannon just because I am old fashioned and if I don’t see it on the old tv screen then it is not cannon (to me). But these seem like cool stores though, will definitely check them out.
I get the feeling when Missy regenerated her good part stayed and the evil part went to another person. The evil and good masters battled and the evil one won. This means the Saxon master still regenerates into missy and there is no paradox or end to the master.
I remember before series 10 aired there was talk of an unknown companion in return of doctor mysterio before bill made her debut (this ended up being nardole) I genuinely thought that there was gonna be some massive plot twist and that it turned out that 12 and river had a kid on darillium and this kid would end up being the prophesyed hybrid and they'd be involved in series 10. I'm happy with what we got but that would've been so cool. Tho I just don't see series 10 without Nardole!
Regarding susan. In my headcanon, before they started releasing her further stories, I always pictured that she did settle down with the guy the doctor left her with, and generations later... Sarah Jane Smith. of course i was very young when i saw the hartnell episodes, can't exactly remember if she was left on earth. I mean, there are some similarities in appearance. my headcanon for missy turning back into the master, the larger part of her mind was still the master, and she tried to be good. trying to be good caused her to commit auto-homicide. it was therefore a complete failure. so the next incarnation gave up on it. the master is a sociopath, their decisions don't have to make logical sense
How is the Hybrid thing still puzzling anyone? The answer is given openly in the episode, first by Ashildir then confirmed by the Doctor himself "I went too far. I became the Hybrid." And he fulfils the prophesy, he threatens the Web of Time ie everything everywhere ever, to save Clara by breaking a fixed point, her death, and he has his conversation with Ashildir on Gallifrey at the very end after even the Time Lords are gone, so standing in the ruins of Gallifrey.
I always loved the Eighth Doctor's comment in the comic book "The Forgotten" that he once lied about being half human to defeat an enemy. To hell with that half human stuff, he's not Spock.
As far as the Hybrid goes a recent thought occurs to me, the Hybrid was a mix of 2 warrior races that would bring the end of Galifrey... not fond of the Chibnal era but that Hybrid description kinda makes me think of the CyberLords...
PIty for Peri, Turlough and Nyssa, as both were left in outer space in their farewell episodes. I doubt even UNIT has zoom capabilities that extend that far.
I'd love an episode with Jenny and Susan, since we can assume Jenny is Susan's mother right? So maybe we'll get that story explained in some form. It would make for a nice story arc we've not seen in a long time, one actually all about The Doctor and his own family and such, especially since Tennant is back.
It is cannon that David was the tenth and eleventh doctor Matt Smith's doctor is the one who made that cannon because Matt said (right before he was to regenerate) that he was the 12th hence why when we first saw Peter he said he was number 13
Susan appeared in the 8th Doctor Novel, set 30 years after she was left on Earth, which leads directly into " The Deadly Assassin ". She was responsible for causing the Master's inuries, after he killed ber husband, David. She takes his Tardis, leaving him for dead.
Anything outside the TV show does not count for anything. I have only watched the TV shows right from the start. The Cibs/Dr Karen episodes are also outside the show!
Thought. The "empty chair" has Wilfred in it.... Donna got him a webcam for his birthday and showed him how to use it and he couldn't make it in person but heard about it from his friend Ian and joined in.
You know what, I'd really like to see a spin off that just does a day in the life of various Doctors. We can just have some random adventure with 10 and Rose, do one with 11 and Amy/Rory, 12 and Clara, skip ahead to 26/35/84/etc and just show us possibilities. Of course I'd love this new 10/14 to have an adventure with Martha now that both of them have moved on and can just be proper friends on an adventure.
Dr who Books actually had Susan actually stealing the Delgado Masters Tardis after he killed her husband in Legacy of the Daleks it also explains the appearance difference between the Delgado Master and the Peter Pratt Deadly Assassin Master
So do not like that explanation for Missy. She’s not only my favorite Master, but also one of my favorite characters. Her redemption arc was incredible, and I don’t like the idea of her being robbed of that. I’m still waiting for The Doctor to discover she changed her mind. It would have meant so much to him. I’ve always thought it was so sad he never knew.
To me as cool as these can be they will never explain something that happens on the show cause for me the show is separate canon from the expanded media like big finish the comics and the novels their explanation for something that happened on the show is there own canon just like when the power rangers do this in the boom comics people are free to accept it but for me if it wasn’t explained on the show it was never explained and for me the hybrid was the doctor cause in the movie it was stated he was half human even though Steven moffat stated he hated the idea of the doctor being half human I think the hybrid was his way of addressing it and not officially saying what the hybrid was was him not having to go back on his word of never bringing it up
My thoughts on the Hybrid are that there could be 2 candidates, No 1 is the Master as he destroyed their homeworld and he is a hybrid of his original species and the timeless child. 2nd would be Tektayu (or however you spell her name) as she is also a hybrid of her species and the timeless child and she tried to end the whole universe. Just a thought lol
Re "The Two Doctors" in the first episode they actually mention leaving Victoria behind. So its set after "Fury From the Deep" and before they meet Zoe in "The Wheel in Space".
OMG! PLEASE make Jenny Davids Doctors companion. We need her to be a bigger part of the Doctors travels. We need to have more of her. In fact, if there is another female Doctor, it should be Jenny the Doctors daughter. If not, then give us a spin-off. We deserve that.
The Hybrid question was finally answered by Chibnall. Look at the prophecies of the Hybrid - none of Moffat's options really fit. But the Master combined with the Cyberium, standing in the Panopticon surrounded by the dead of Gallifrey... The Hybrid is finally resolved.
The way i see it is Martha isn't available because she is fighting aliens on different planets on her own ship through out time and space and that one day the doctor will bump into Martha Jones on a different planet. Martha should have her own spin off series - Martha through the universe.
One of the mysteries of adventures where the current Doctor met earlier versions of himself - in the William Hartnell era, he never encountered later versions of himself or future companions or associates - later versions met earlier versions - but at no point during William Hartnell’s era did he ever encounter later versions of himself, nor did any of the subsequent versions meet later versions - the third Doctor (Jon Pertwee) encountered Patrick Troughton and, on a video screen, William Hartnell - the fifth Doctor (Peter Davison) encountered his predecessors - although Tom Baker appeared in clips from the unbroadcasted adventure Shada and, due to William Hartnell being deceased, his version was played by an actor called Richard Hurndall - six actors playing five versions of the same geezer! But the four early versions never, during their time on the show, met later versions of themselves or their future companions!
Because regeneration was never a concept until he had to leave due to ill health and by that time the series had become very popular and they didn't want to cancel it, so someone suggested his people's ability to renew their bodies when they got too old or badly injured
