10 Facts you might not know about Spartan-IV's 

Another reason the S-4 augmentations might need tune ups is because as an open and legal program, it has to meet those standards. That means eventually, people are going to retire. Having augments that drop in efficacy means that in the future, they'll likely still be enhanced to some degree, but not so much that it's a potential problem. I'm not talking about sports or jobs, I'm talking about civil wars. Just look how many issues they've had with Spartans going rogue, and you can see why this might be an important thing for the UNSC to consider.

Hate how the IV's were implemented into the lore with the whole "separate branch" thing, but love the concept of the IV's. Lovely to hear some extra lore about them.

i wonder how different the Covenant war would have been if the full 300 Spartan II's had been trained and augmented

Considering what Spartan means to most citizens and UNSC personnel and what they know, the marketing for a potential recruit and the drive it would give them to excel in their duties if they believe there’s a chance to become a Spartan IV, even if it’s monumentally small, cannot be underestimated. Calling Spartan IVs Hoplites would not yield as strong and determined of a fighting force. Plus there’s also the morale even a singular Spartan IV can provide to a Marine

The thing about Spartan-IVs being around already in 2552 and the "Battleborn" teens being the first ones is something I've noticed before, but that I hardly ever see other people mention.

i think the maintainance is a temporary upkeep for the first ~7 years of augmentation to make sure every cell is augmented and there is no deaugmentation creep. the earlier methodes using more drastic aproaches ensured full coverage better, but were more restrictive and needed children. children also have faster cell replacement, so a shorter stabilisation time is present

1. Oni wanting spartans that operate to that degree without armor is 100% an attempt to inject plainclothes super soldiers into civilian populations 2. I'd definitely like to know what happens when spartan IVs can't get their tune ups and if they can still receive them post retirement

The constant tune-ups for the 4s is probably intenional; it's a good way to limit risks if a 4 defects.

You brought up a good point about “after enlistment” happenings and the societal backlash of it all. With that in mind I wouldn’t put it past ONI to “Box” any retiring Spartans in cryosleep under the guise of mental issues or threats to the public at large. If not done in a nice way I’d say they’d simply pull a “hunt the truth” and suggest that all Spartans retire to a resort planet that doesn’t exist.

I could imagine seeing some Spartan 4s taking up jobs like fire, fighting, or some form of rescue service?

I assumed the Spartans in London were 3's as I've read some lore before that during the battle of earth Spartan 3s were covertly deployed to London and other major cities

Even the Spartan IVs will be replaced by fives and then six's and on and on until the process matures and every soldier begins receiving some sort of Augment, then likely something resembling the spartan 2 augments but better will take the stage.

Most of Rubicon Protocol’s main characters I’d argue are true Spartans. I absolutely love how they’re portrayed, as near-unstoppable war machines but also fundamentally different from the likes of Blue Team or Noble. Not just weaker, different. It’s clear in their behavior and interactions with other soldiers that there was a time when they were, well, normal Marines. In some ways they are even portrayed as more « human » and relatable than the Helljumpers, which would be completely unimaginable for Spartans II or III. I love this.

Their augmentations may not be like the Spartan 2 or 3's, but it's much more humane there's no one kidnapping children and replacing them with flash clones where they die instantly devastating the families. I'd take Spartan IV augmentations any day over being kidnapped as a kid. Spartan IV are still strong and leave the battlefield wrecked and littered with covenant corpses just like any other Spartan would. I don't doubt any Spartans ability because at the end of the day that whole sub group of super soldiers are stronger, faster, smarter, and tougher than any peak human.

Halsey said it best "My Spartans are humanity's next step are destiny as a species."

I personally wish that they were called Orion-IIs instead of Spartan-IVs personally. As for the Spartans who appear in London during the prolonged Battle of Earth, I think they are Spartan-IIIs in GEN1 Mk. VII which is why it looks like GEN3 Mk. VII. Just my headcanon that doesn’t break existing canon

You took time to read my comments about the age of retirement. I appreciate that.

Im still kinda new to the deep lore (ive never read the books), but i would love to see a baseball team composed of either retired or off duty spartans. It would be so fun to watch that.

19:44 I heard a wow and wooh from a kid lol. Glad to see that kids are involved lol

20:30 Dr Halsey did say (I think in halo 4) that she was making humanity's next evolutionary step

"Earn" is a crazy way to think since 2s are brainwashed

Military programs change based on the resources and technology available, and the exigencies of operations. They're Spartans, their program is just different adding in it's uniqueness to the institutional knowledge of building this weapons platform.

Thank you, I love all the Spartan IV's except Palmer, I think Majestic, Osiris, the ones in Infinite and the Multiplayer Spartan IV's are awesome. My Halo OC Jack Coldharbor is even a Spartan 4

Theory for why the IVs augmentations can "wear off" is that the UNSC (and by extension ONI) knew they would eventually retire, so they planned for much of their chemical augmentations to "expire" as to avoid the risk of passing them down to offspring.

19:39. Sounds like someone in the background wanted to add in their own take on what is being said there 😊

An interesting point for one Spartan IV, Spartan Buck is married to an ONI officer: Veronica, that happens to have the approval of ONI for her relationship. It is just matter of time for small spartans IV.5 to start to appear uner ONI survilliance.

Some facts you might not know, currently you can join as Adult British Soldier at the age of 18, on revision of contracts, you can serve for 22 Years (which I did) you can then apply for extended service until the age of 55, that is as a regular Soldier not an officer, but bearing in mind you can Late Entry (LE) Commision as an officer from the ranks, but again the age limit is 55 years, on which as an officer you can extend your commision either in the Cadets or the TA. So on retirement from frontline service for the Spartans, they could, in effect, be sent to training units or to command TA / National Guard units, given the amout of experience they have.

I feel Spartan's shouldn't have to be cruelly mistreated to 'earn' the title. I think, at least in terms of the halo universe, that the title of Spartan now means more than just training from a young age to be a soldier. I think it evolved to mean the peak of human capability; be that as warriors, as guardians, or protecters of humanity. They are the best of the best, beacons of hope when all seems lost. They are an ideal version humanity and what we are capable of when we work together, and what we can survive together. I think that is why ONI put so much emphasis on the media surrounding Spartan II's and IV's, because they became as much a symbol as they were military assets.(Spartan III they kept mostly hidden because they were less controllable and were so often sent on suicide missions that there was no good way to market them to the general populace.) Especially as the new Spartans were so much more public and better equipped to interact with normal people.

Im glad that in lore they recognize that, they really aren't Spartans, not all of them, but there are a few

Now I’m imagining a retired Spartan going to a gym with regular people and bench pressing 2,000 pounds for warm up and absolutely blowing the minds of the people in there

10:08 Honestly, the bickering reminds me of an odst team, which is probably what they were prior

An idea: naturally produced Spartans from prior generations breeding. ( perhaps artificial means for those not wanting to do so by physical means) Any offspring of super soldiers will be poked and proded like no-other child before it. Potential evolutional jump or a higher level of genetic match for future augmentation. Peak efficiency would be born Spartans without medical alterations later in life. To help focus on the mental aspect a family or tribe grouping where parental figures and training cadre can be brought in. Best results are stable children understanding they're bred to be guardians of humanity while ensuring they understand and have humanity themselves.

I have a hard time imagining Spartans retiring. Even 4's, who have basically voluntarily given over control of their biology to the military indefinitely. Seems like a lifelong sort of commitment.

Could you imagine having over 100 years worth of PTSD in one person. Augmented or not, that has to take a toll on the brain.

Imagine a spartan working at burgerking n he knocks you df out cause you told him he got your order wrong and you want to speak to the manager.

I think he tune up of augmentations suggests that they need to take doses of their augmentations like a professional bodybuilder does. You *don't just take Test or D-bol once and get jacked, it has to be done in doses over a period of time.

I'd like to see a video comparing spartans with ancient humans I get the feeling spartans are a step back towards our original genesong I think the librarian hinted at this but I'm 100% on that

For when they retire i could see the working for military as trainers and engineers as such

If i built a super soldier I'd insure they needed regular high end maintenance...there's probably no better way to insure loyalty

just imagine working with a spartan in an old bakery :D that would be awesome!

Mate, fantastic channel and what a brilliant video. Keep it going, bud.

3:02 I've always thought that those prlicans that John sees, were the ONI team sent for him

I love H4, and the technological progression of armor. Uhhhh…. yeah forerunner and covenant tech WILL influence humanity and designs.

Spartan IVs was a good idea but executed badly. The first notable ones in game should be the ones who made a name for themselves first like Buck, Chips Dubbo, Dare, and Stacker for example. We all remember them pretty easily especially Chips Dubbo. Also my hypothesis for the tune ups constantly might be to ensure stability, and safety for adults.

The Spartan 2's training and program is the best way forward.

ONI would never let a spartan retire lmao

So many people overlook the Battle Born books. Shame they never got to release the third in the series. Yes, it's for "young adults" but it's still a good read.

a good question is if that lets say a spartan actually retires, lets say a spartan II for example. Would any of the increased bodily functions pass on to a child if they had one?

Retired spartan 4s will produce a need for augmented police because they will need a way to keep them in check

The Mass Effect scenes are nice

This channel has more passion for halo than what 343 ever did.

So spartan civilians could make griffball a watched sport wirh teams.

Not gonna lie a retired spartan IV being just like a regular joe construction worker seems so funny in my head

I wonder, if Johnson had survived the events of Halo 3, would he have gone for a second chance at being a supersoldier? Would he have become a Spartan IV simply to fight alongside John on closer to equal footing? I mean, hell, if washed-out Spartan II's could be rehabbed from being washed out, why would Johnson not be considered eligible as a Spartan IV, aside from his age?

About the only SIV I have respect for is Buck. Probably because he’s a playable character in HALO: ODST, but also because individuals like Buck, who is an ODST with extensive combat experience who isn’t dead, severely wounded or suffering from PTSD are more realistically likely to be given Spartan IV augmentations. Another way to look at the difference between the Spartan generations is that the Spartan II’s (prototypes) and III’s (mass production) are the tier 1 operators and the Spartan IV’s are tier 2 operators who support tier 1 operators.

Can you do a video of the Top 10 things we don’t know about the Elites?

The way I see it the, since the very name “Spartan” comes from the ancient Greeks. Warriors trained from around the ages of 6 to young adults. Then only the S-IIs and S-IIIs should be called and have actually earned the titles of Spartans. While the “S-Is” and “S-IVs” have not. So they should be called Orions and Hoplites, respectively. So in my head canon it’s Orions Spartan-IIs Spartans-IIIs Hoplites

Spartan 4's were interesting since they were basicly normal human marines that got chosen or volunteered to become a spartan 4 , and doctor Halsey showed a distain to the spartan 4's since she saw them nothing more then normal soldiers with fancy armor and gadgets and lesser enhancements , the main reason they were made was to cut corners , making Spartans 2/3's in bulk costed way to much money/resources and was what some may say unethical to make , they made the spartan 4's to help bulster their ranks in bulk during the war and they are "cost effective"

Pretty sure I heard someone say “woo” in the background at around 19:40

to be fair, if spartans survive that long, they wouldnt just be discharged and live a normal civilian life. They would be recycled back into other positions such as trainers for future spartan generations, or promoted. They are lifers. grizzled old men, battle hardened.

Fun fact the ancient Spartans were only able to be full time warriors by enslaving and cruelly oppressing the helots.

Everyone hates on the 4’s… having lived a normal human life, even in this universe, I’m not shocked they were cocky and full of themselves. I’d say, defeating the covenant, gaining forerunner tech, AND BEING A PART OF IT AS THE TIP OF THE SPEAR OF THE UNSC? I would be too. Love the H4 Spartans and their behaviors.

Well, there’s only one class left now.

Vales armor and Sara Palmers helmet

Question: in regards to point 10; "None of the...Augs are removable," it was, in essence, stated that they would forever be super soldiers is that not in to direct conflict to point 6 (I think) "...reqire constant... tune ups," when it's theorized that "...not given the right support and treatment for a prolonged period of time...their augmentation would weaken, dramatically..." if they are in on going need of these treatments, could it also not be assumed, that over time they would not regress to a state of "near natural" abilities. They, of course, would remain taller and broader because of the bone growth, but would they not just be essentially an elite athlete, to continue with the parallel used in the point, at either his/her peak or equivalent level in their normal life cycle?

Ok, I'd like to know where you found that stuff about their augmentations needing "maintenance" (because as far as I know only the "druggy SPARTANS" - so the Spartan IIIs - needed their drug cocktail or they'd go bonkers!) and their implants being weaker (makes no sense, if they have the chemicals to make Spartan IIIs, the why not not use them for the IVs?).

To do a video on the flood of they can regrow lost limbs

A retired Spartan IV would have that one thing that wouldn't allow them be too far from UNSC bases (or at least ONI). With those argumentations requiring periodical tune up they couldn't just live on some remote island/planet even if they wanted.

Personally I've always felt like, at least compared to the Spartan IIs and IIIs, that the IVs were NOT Spartans. At least not in the same way, they are like discount Spartans, or the Spartan IIIs little brothers. They just can't compare to the previous two classes imo. It's like having a thing designed specifically for war from the ground up to be the deadliest weapon, and then creating an off brand knock off version of that which is not built for war from the beginning, rather a retrofitting of a person for that purpose. Being made for it vs being repurposed into it essentially. The IIs and IIIs are Spartan through and through because they never got the chance to be anything else, while the IVs were remade from something else into Spartans

The IVs training was far shorter than the IIs and IIIs, and they were hardly indoctrinated to know nothing else but war. Their augmentations were also less potent mainly because their armor was more advanced and meant to compensate for the lack of physical ability.

So, considering the number of Spartan 4s are actually a lot lower than people though, the whole idea that Spartan 4s were "mass-produced" isn't true in the slightest. It just appears like they were the most easily produced, so there's more of them, but no where near "mass-produced".

Spartan IVs should be referred to simply as Orion IIs. It fits the existing lore, and respects the opinions of Dr Halsey and many Spartan IIs and IIIs, in that the Spartan IVs are not true Spartans, because they are not molded as individuals as Spartans above all else, before all else. Before personal loyalties, before personal specializations, before even being a Human. It would also establish a simple nomenclature to differentiate between those raise from childhood to become Spartans, or those who were willing, free, experienced, adult, Soldiers who were augmented into Orions. This would give us 2 classes of Human Combat Forms. Such as to match the Warrior Rate Mutation of the Forerunners, the Prelates of the San'Shyuum, a Jiralhalnae Warchief having risen to the top through superiority, or even a Lek'Golo Hunter Form. These all are specialized Combat Forms of a species, demonstrating, through vastly different means, that we're emulating the Forerunners, and disturbingly enough, the Flood, in our biologic specialization, while following specifically in the technological footsteps of the Forerunners. It won't be a surprise if we end up following further down their path to extinction with this work. Here's hoping the establishment of the Spartan military branch allows enough distance to determine their own future, outside of ONIs control. Though that being said, there's a Spartan sitting at the CINC-ONI desk. Thanks Margaret, for saving humanity from itself.

I doubt the 4s is the smallest What's the point having a Spartan Branch with the smallest population? 😅

I’m my opinion the should just keep looking for people with the same genetic marker as the 2’s

Spartans would probably be allowed to serve as long as they want, what with the massive investment into making them

Lemme know when they can survive 10k years👀

3:13 the heliots were SLAVE'S And many spartans were hoplites Culturally, it makes no sense for the unsc to switch out the terminology

What could have perhaps helped the IV's reputation, was how more of it could have been fleshed out. Set some boundaries on who to recruit in the SPARTAN-IV Program. Psychological screening for those in the military who will have the temperament of a Spartan, whether they're war veterans or young soldiers who show a lot of potential. Those without families, homes, and who have nothing, but the military would make good candidates. Have military cadets between the ages of 13-15 trained in brutal and intense military training. Have them called Hoplites, who must earn the right to be the next generation of Spartans. From that point, it would go in two ways. For those that make the cut of becoming Spartans, will be augmented at the age of 18. To those that do not make it, they can still be excellent soldiers of the various branches of the UNSC military. They will no doubt be handpicked to become Spartans if they show enough promise and skill for the program. As for being Hoplites, could say that it was a sister program from the SPARTAN program taking in orphans and runaways to become soldiers during the Human-Covenant War. From the ages 8-14, have them be taught tactics and strategy. Once they reach the ages of 13 and 14, they get put in grueling military training and exercises. The goal of the project being to make soldiers in peak human condition, physically and mentally. After the war ended, the Hoplite project was scrubbed. What to do with what remains of the Hoplites, have them become Spartan-IVs who are highly trained and disciplined soldiers. Who knows, maybe these Hoplites turned IVs worked alongside Spartan IIs and IIIs. Maybe even Spartan 1.1s who became Spartans just like them. There are IVs who were more spartan-like than the rest like Thorne and Buck just to name a couple. Also, I think those were Spartan IIIs in Argygna's flashback. I could be wrong.

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the 4's tune-ups are to control them. can't have super soldiers going rouge even more so with a wide net like 4s. who are adults before and after .

The spartan IV’s were mostly arrogant and filled with pride, a reason why I personally hated every member of fireteam Majestic

since the 4s need constant tune ups how would they do that after retirement? like what actually happens to the augmentations that they need tune ups do they fade or does it get difficult to control? does it cripple the augmented?

As far as Retirement for Spartans are concerned I don't think they would retire until they were physically unable to Fight and I'm sure that A simple conversation About no longer being professionally competitive in sports or procreating After the procedure would Limit societal disruption

I'd like to think that IV's are the proving ground for literally a proper next step in humanity as a species. Much like Halsey intended. Probably as technology progresses...or, more likely: as soon as ONI reaches a more stable, more powerful and cost effective way to produce its Spartans I'd count on the fact Biological Augmentations would probably become a spreadout phenomenon. Think about it from UNSC's perspective: if SHTF again, your average soldier/marine will be a much more effective fighter, hence a much better pear/near pear adversary for the less-prominent species that populate Halo's Universe. Maybe not as strong or resilient as a Brute...but hey, better than nothing. Let me know what you think of this view. PS: good video as always.

Retired Spartans make baby Spartans and continue the process.

19:52 “that would fundamentally change the way society functions” - what follows this quote partially applies to what currently is happening with transgender people regarding sports and facilities like sports, prisons and toilets, if you ask me.

Sports? Nah bro spartan 4s got Griff Ball

yeah but old ancient greek sparta got fucked for min maxing into warrior culture.

How cool would it be if the spartan 4’s were called Perioikoi

Personally I wouldn't rename the Spartan IVs. I think the IV at the end is more than adequate to differentiate them from the previous iterations. The training and augmentations may be different, along with the way many of the Spartan VIs carry themselves, but the general spirit and purpose of the program is there. They are still meant to be humanity's best just like the memebers of the previous Spartan Programs. It's easier to unethically indoctrinate a child soldier than a young adult. The younger members of the program just need to mature a bit. I think they've come a long way from fire team magestic in Halo 4.

is there any info on the upgrades for mjoiner strength without the armor?

I highly doubt any Spartan was allowed to leave military service completely, if they weren't active in the field they would train new Spartans, service only ends in death for beings such as these

So basically a beefed up odst😂

Can u do a colab with some other youtubes to make the spartan armor

So is the Master Chief, really the last Spartan, after Halo Infinite?

Spartan IVs are the Honda Accord of Spartans. Lol. Occasionally you get a good soldier that makes a Spartan IV more that the Program does. Buck being one of those. But is you put crap in... You get crap coming out.

I don’t think that calling them hoplites, would fit in the lore, it would draw attention to the fact that the Spartans were kidnapped as children, I don’t think the UNSC would want that for publicity reasons

So if a spartan 4 is stranded on for a long period of time would their armor kill them becuase of augmentation weakening?

Can captain America wear mjlonir?

I don’t get all of this the spartan IV program was specifically meant to create disposable Spartans it told us this in The Cole Protocol