10 false dawns in F1 

Even better, every January when he states he finally discovered the secret plan to beat Hamilton.

Yes, hello, the police? I'd like to report a murder.

Bottas 2.0, Bottas 3.0 are the biggest false dawn

@@peterfighter Which version of Bottas are we on now?

@@gr0bbelaar Bottas is the human equivalent of the Windows Vista.

@Benito Mussolini Most races without a podium

Hulkenberg never got a chance at a to team

@@jbt0618 Force India?? Perez scored quite a few podiums

@@jbt0618 That's a lie. Hulkenberg is not good enough to score a podium. Look at all the times Perez beat him in Force India and the way he wasted the potential of that 2018 Renault.

True... I remember the hype, nice guy though, tbf to him. Mr bring it home in the points but not the podium positions!

I thought the triple crown involved a Le-Man win?

@@Dubushan that's what he's saying " he's one uncompetitive WEC drive away from the Triple Crown" meaning he needs a better car to win le mans but he's already in WEC

@@Dubushan it does

@@Dubushan no. A win at Le Mans counts towards achieving a triple crown, but you don't have to win at le mans to achieve a triple crown. You can also achieve it by winning the Monaco gp, the indy 500 and the 24h of Daytona for example. And winning the monza gp also counts as a win towards the triple crown as far as I know.

@@martenspitzner408 Where did you get that (genuine question)? I've only ever seen two definitions and they both include the Indy 500 and Le Mans. Some specify the F1 title and some specify just the Monaco GP.

It was the best part of his career. Almost winning Japan, sandwiching the Red Bulls in Austin and more podiums really made up a good season four him after his messy start.

Lotus in 2014 and 2015 was entirely reputation for hilarious and weird crashes because Grosjean's teammate those years was Pastor Maldonado

@@corbinselanne7990: Nah, I think that was residual memory from 2012, so the teamup of Grosjean and Maldonado was fearedmemed for that reason. Grosjean wasn't especially bad in those years, and even got a podium in 2015 with a terrible car. I feel his weird incidents in his later career at Haas revived his rep for bizarre accidents (safety car shunt in Baku, clashing with Magnussen, dropping in the pitlane at Silverstone, etc.)

He really was a good driver, more competitive than most crash prone drivers

I remember being a Grosjean-fan in 2013 and some time after that. Haven't really followed his career at Haas ever since. Guess I have to change my opinion on him, since he really doesn't seem to have left his 2012-days behind.

That was the biggest problem with Frank Williams. He wasn't as bad as Enzo Ferrari, but he was never loyal enough to his drivers. He lost out on a ton of great drivers because he was always looking for the next best thing.

Absolutely. They had probably the fastest car in the early 2000s but never really hit it on gear properly. Also they completely fucked up HHFs career. The bastard was told to be actually faster than Villeneuve but Patrick head just couldn't leave him to do his job properly

@@juhosten3463 Unfortunately, this is not particularly correct. The BMW engine that Williams had an exclusive deal with was truly the fastest on the grid, but it wasn't really the most reliable. As we all know, in order to finish first, first you have to finish. Coupled by the fact that Patrick Head never successfully create a great chassis that could showcase the power of its engine, and the domination showcased by Ferrari in those times, prove to be it's major downfall in my opinion. It was exactly like Ferrari in the hybrid era in 2017-2019 really. The cars were great, but sadly not good enough to win the elusive title.

Me too. He somehow failed to win another race, even though he came close on several occasions. Actually, until the summer break it was still pretty close between him, Alonso and Vettel in the championship, but then Vettel won the remaining 9 races...

@@mrdraw2087 Yea. It would have been really interesting to see how that season would have turned out if the FIA hadn't caved to Red Bull crying about the tires. When they made Pirelli change the tires that's all Red Bull needed to dominate the second half of the year.

@@mrdraw2087 "He somehow failed to win another race, even though he came close on several occasions." It had a simple explanation. Lotus simply were broke after a few races in 2013 and couldn't afford to develop the car further. Heck, they *couldn't even pay Raikkonen's salary* . When Raikkonen joined Ferrari again in 2014 Lotus still owed him money for his 2013 contract. Lotus were so short on money they had to sign Maldonado for 2014 and the team only scored 10 points all season.

@@McLarenMercedes yea I’m pretty sure Räikkönen almost bankrupt Lotus due to his wages

@@506thLittleberry actually after the 2013 British gp everyone was crying about the tyres. The tyres were blowing producing very dangerous situations. If you don’t know history thats fine but shut the duck up about history

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Or they could have said “, ESPECIALLY in Formula One.” which could have worked as well

@@adamstewart1458 or he could've said exactly what he said in the video.

Don’t feel sad, 2009 was a redemption year!

But it wasnt honda

@@jondash2939?

*2009*

@@yeetusdelete0 09 wasnt honda it was a mercedes engine i think look up brawn gp as its a wonderful story

Gugelmin is pretty underrated

I was thinking of that one too. Laffite had a huge championship lead over the main contenders after the first two races as Scheckter, Villeneuve and Jones had all had shockers.

@@tmb8807 To be fair nobody really expected Williams to be that strong in 1979; they'd scored a podium at Long Beach with Jones the previous season, but it was only when they showed up at Silverstone with the ground effect car that suddenly Williams all but dominated the second half of the season. So Jones had a shocker at the start of the year, but he was kind of expected to in the Williams.

@@GeriatricFan1963 Yeah, when I said 'contenders', I really meant the three guys who eventually finished ahead of Laffite in the championship.

@Charles Szasz The funniest thing is some Lewis fanboys and girls rate Bottas higher than Rosberg and calk Rosberg a fluke. 😂😂😂

@@aboredperson4202 Considering Rosberg is legit the only person to EVER actually beat lewis in similar machinery, even if he only did once and lewis beat him every other time. To say bottas is better is ridiculous

@@Nox_Desiree Umm you forgot Button. 😅

That's true but in reality Hakkinen would and should have run away with the title comfortably if not for all the mistakes he and Mclaren made.

@@areebsiddiqui758 oh thats true but I mean as though the one thing that could be used as a balance is Schumacher actually doing the 16 races (christ 16 how did F1 survive with so few races? /s) and I do think Hakkinen wouldn't have done much differently as all you'd have to do is replace Irvine with Schumacher and its an identical fight

@@areebsiddiqui758 The thing is, maybe Mika was not in the zone because Michael was out. Sounds weird, but many drivers have said over the years that when you are out in front of a race being unchallenged it is easy to lose focus, so maybe in Mika's case, because Michael was out he was not longer fully focussed as he did not feel that Irvine would mount the same kind of challenge. Had Michael been there all season, maybe Mika would have made less mistakes and been more focussed. There was a weird chemistry between Mika and Michael, and I think Michael brought out the best in Mika.

Unpopular opinion: had Barrichello entered Ferrari in 1996 instead of Irvine, in '99 he would have won the title, or at least come very close to it, as in he was a far more complete driver (according to Eddie Jordan) than Irvine ever was.

@@pedroneves4465 not even unpopular he would have won it because Irvine was a one year wonder, I can't blame Ferrari wanting to replace him with imo the most undervalued driver of all time because of the fact he was #2 to 2 different champions forgetting A Barrichello outclassed Irvine at Jordan, B he somehow got a Stewart to score points in '97 and '98, C he should have won a race in '99 if it weren't for sheer bad luck (sounds like Brazilian GPs in his career) and even as an old man in 2010 he outclassed Hulkenberg and 2011 easily outdid the Pastor

yup 😞 should have had a much more illustrious and successful career

Montoya could have and SHOULD HAVE been world champion. ESPECIALLY IN 2003.

Williams should have got behind him from the start of the year. They had the fastest car in 2003. Without the spin in Australia, 4 lost points from Ralf's 2 wins in the middle of the year and Austria/Suzuka breakdowns, he's have won comfortably.

@@simbarocksone Williams was the best car in 2003 and he finished 3rd in the championship behind schumi and räikkönen so im not really sure how exactly he deserved that

shut up , back in the roles were made by Ferrari International Assistance (FIA) and schumbager raced alone with barichelo like butler

His move to BAR was pretty bad indeed and pretty much ensured he would never win a race after he became world champion. Until 2002 he at least seemed to outperform a bad car and maybe things would be different if he could have formed a team around him. Instead, he decided to go to war with Jenson Button in 2003... and lost.

@@mrdraw2087 One name. Craig Pollock. Villeneuve's manager. Gave him whatever he wanted and fixed "good contracts" for him. Pollock even turned team principal for BAR with disastrous results. By the time Villeneuve finally cut ties with Pollock it was too late to reverse the damage. "maybe things would be different if he could have formed a team around him." But that is *exactly* what he got with Craig Pollock. A guaranteed team created for him and in which he earned 2nd only to Schumacher. The problem was that he ended up in a place where he was Pollock's "protégé" in a similar manner Lawrence Stroll has his son Lance at Racing Point. BAR was headed by Reynard which dominated Indycar racing at that time and had won titles in al forms of Formula racing pretty much straight away. Indycar, F3000, F3, Formula Renault etc. British American Tobacco also paid Villeneuve a huge salary - while Frank Williams payed him peanuts, so it's not hard at all to understand why Villeneuve believed BAR would be his ticket.

​@@McLarenMercedes Thanks for this useful response. According to Wikipedia, Villeneuve and Pollock parted ways in early 2008, over a year after Villeneuve's last F1 race. Was Villeneuve still preparing for a comeback at that time? Why, according to you, did BAR fail in F1?

@@mrdraw2087 Pollock might have been in charge of Villeneuve's business finances until 2008 and to my knowledge he managed Villeneuve's career from when he was 12. They had a long history together. However he was ousted as BAR team principal from 2003 onward so his leverage in F1 disappeared. At the time most people in F1 had a low opinion of Pollock and he was seen as a nuisance who always had to do things his way - even if he had no racing experience himself. Frank Williams didn't like Pollock always getting between himself and Villeneuve and word around the paddock was that any negotiation with Villeneuve had to go through Pollock. Worse, Pollock reportedly always "groomed" Villeneuve into listening to his "great advice". This explains why Villeneuve declined offers from better teams. BAR failed because it was originally devised as a business venture Pollock had concocted by convincing (and he did a lot of "convincing") British American Tobacco to purchase the Tyrrell team and go racing. In other words this was just a business manager wanting to make big tobacco business earn "big money" while having a world champion to create all the revenue from all the media exposure. It wasn't a group of people with life long racing careers who were racers first and businessmen second to finance their racing. The whole thing was bizarrely timed too since it was widely expected that it was only a question of time before "cigarette money" sponsorship would be banned all over Europe (and not just in France and Belgium) so a huge cigarette company going racing just came across as "to hell with all rules let's just go the opposite direction". Ken Tyrrell also quit the team he had owned the past 30 years when Craig Pollock insisted they should sign Riccardo Rosset for 1998 - whom neither Tyrrell nor anybody else rated. Pollock basically put the minimum in managing the Tyrrell team in 1998 and just went for the sponsorship deal that came with Rosset. The all-new facilities were top-notch and Reynard was a successful manufacturer of racing cars so it certainly appeared as if the new BAR team would be a top team soon enough. Fact is by 2004 they arguably had the 2nd best car behind the Ferrari. Pollock was ill-suited as a team principal so the first four seasons resulted in little progress. BAT wanted to get rid of Pollock but the risk was that they'd lose Villeneuve in the process. The problem was also exacerbated by Honda wanting to do things their way (they originally had intended to enter F1 as a works outfit but shelved that plan when their chief engineer Harvey Postlethwaite died in 1998). In the end Honda still purchased the team and became a works outfit from 2006. I'd say they culprit was Craig Pollock and Villeneuve rising to the top really early in his F1 career. Basically they got high on their own success. But had Villeneuve listened to others who told him that Pollock was bad for him and decided things on his own (he could have since he was champion after all) his career might have looked different and never just petered out. Villeneuve *did* plan a F1 comeback after 2006. Reports said he had negotiations with Toyota and Red Bull. He was also shortlisted for a potential driver for Brawn GP for 2009. In 2010 he had negotiations with the stillborn Stefan GP team (used Toyota's unraced 2010 car). By the late 00's F1 had their Hamiltons, Alonsos, Raikkonens, Vettels, Buttons and Kubicas so Villeneuve didn't really have much to offer for any teams.

@@McLarenMercedes *Tosser 😜 Thanks for all that. Given I was already a long-term fan by then, I knew all the individual bits of info, but never really "joined the dots". If you're not already writing for a living,you should consider it. (Not joking, btw, and I've had a fair bit to do with literature and non-fiction writing in my time. You write facts very well without padding - which in my case is usually just waffle - but say everything necessary. No mean feat!)

You mean Olivier Panis?

@@bryce148 yeah, sorry. Didn't really recognize him. Didn't watch too much of F1 during the '90s.

World champion easily. I’m not saying he was a talent like senna but, to go head to head with the man in a TYRELL, he had to be special

I was wondered in 1980-1999 although in those few years Ferrari earned the constructor title like something went wrong, the absence of a world champion driver What is the problem? car factor? racer? regulation? staff?

F1 metrics once analyzed this. He could have won a title in the early-1990s for Williams. The relatively poor quality of the midfield drivers back then made him look better than he actually was. Later in his career he was even outscored by Pedro Diniz.

@@mrdraw2087 yeah good point about the midfield drivers i remember even drivers like Phillipe Alliot would score on occasions but yeah not sure what happened in his last few seasons he was out performed by a rookie Heidfeld as well

@@afilleduptaco Rewatch some old races from the early to mid 90s. Many brilliant performances by Alesi, and he was also a master in the rain. Definitely world champion material, but wasted talent due to circumstances, unfortunately...

2014: say not more.

You're right there's no good looking F1 cars in that season.

@@TherealLorinser *Cough* *cough* McLaren...

@@Aurantius_ Red Bull and Caterham looked good too. Edit: the Lotus wasn't beautiful. *It* *was* *freaking* *gorgeous.*

2012 cars were some of the best looking. They looked fast

Well...

Yeah, getting the Works Honda engine didn't work out at all. Frentzen for some reason lost his pace and interest in F1. And Trulli, although one of the best qualifiers on the grid could never really replicate that form over race day. That, and throwing Tacuma Sato into the mix who just loved to write that car off in spectacular fashion, led Honda to stab Eddie Jordan in the back and move to BAR. Who were shite... That was the start of the demise of Jordan F1.

Well they signed a deal where he got paid per world championship point, then Kimi went onto score lots of points...

So you're thanking Kimi for doing too well...

I honestly believe that he simply had no tolerance for all the BS that comes along with racing in F1. He's a true sportsman, and just wants to race. Unfortnatley F1 is no longer the platform for that.

@@Flu_Tang_Clan so true. It sure was cool to see that he held fastest lap at many tracks until just recently. He really left his mark and had such potential. Those cars in that era were BEAST!!

@@Flu_Tang_Clan in a interview he said the politics especially with Ferrari involved ruined the sport for him and made it toxic.

I don't know if Alonso is fair. Yeah, he could have easily won more championships, either through better luck or choosing better cars, but there has never been a season where Nando underperformed, and he's one of the greatest talents we've ever seen in F1

Williams managed 4th place twice in that period didn’t they? If anything its from 2018 onwards when they massively fucked up on the car design and have had to work hard just to catch back up to the midfield

@@deeznoots6241 They did manage 4th but keep in ind Williams is F1´s 3rd most succesful team so a couple of 4th´s is far from what is expected. Atleast back then.

I remember when there was a McLaren mp4-22 mock up car displayed in the college lobby and I tried to sit in it 🤣 worse still I would brag about it like I raced the bloody thing

Those were rookies of 2001 right ?

@@lmao7439 yes

I remember supporting Toyota because my grandfather had a Panasonic TV back in the days, I thought if Toyota won every race we'd get a discount so I can have my own TV😂

Bahrain could have been possible...

That would imply he had a bright start in F1 somehow.

@@asterixdogmatix1073 you beat me to it lol!

Mike brought a lot of that one himself by endless commuting from the US and not taking it seriously. The FIA rules limiting practice laps didn't help either.

@@AlonsoRules Yeah agreed, he thought he would pull a Nigel Mansell but fell crazy short. The FIA rules only apply to the current car, Michael could have driven a car from a few years earlier to atleast get used to the differences between the Indy and F1cars.

At the time I felt it was surprising Honda preferred to back BAR. Still, I think 1999 was one of a kind. The top teams (McLaren and Ferrari) threw away so many points that year. Frentzen and Jordan were reliable, but they lacked some speed to genuinely challenge the top teams. That didn't really change in 2000, but as the top teams performed far better that year, it was way harder for Jordan to score good results. Reliability problems didn't help either.

Time travel is real

Too bad Montoya never really felt at ease with McLaren. He was very inconsistent in 2005 and in 2006 he was just bad. Maybe 2003 was a bit of a false dawn for him and Williams, when Williams were dominating the middle part of the season. Sadly, they lost out on both world titles and never really recovered from that.

I feel that if Hamilton and Rosberg had carried on as team mates knocking chunks out if each other past 2016 Ferrari could well have a couple more championships

Or 2017-2018(-2019) as a whole for Ferrari, compared to where they are now

Lewis Hamilton has entered the chat.

bottas?

Vettel 2014 anyone?

@@2011SoxMD36 exactly!

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