The ending to The Village isn't a twist ending. It's a reveal. Throughout the entire movie you can tell that the elders are hiding something. And the end is just a confirmation that there is a reason for the elders wanting to remain isolated, even with the monster attacks.
That's exactly what I was thinking. At one or two point, they even say "should we end it ?" (which would be stupid and utterly selfish, because how would the kids fare in a modern world they don't know, but nonetheless…
@@Hanmacx Interesting, but it would have nullified part of the inner logic of the story. Besides, how would you justify them without a whole lot of backstory ?
I actually liked the twist in ‘April Fools Day’. It was a fresh take on a typical formulaic slasher film that was already old hat by the mid eighties. A trick that should only be used once but a good trick just the same.
@@erikthompson619 Is there another horror trope more overused than "it was never really real"? Yes, there's several horror tropes that are used way more often than the "it was never really real" trope. Hell, I've been watching horror movies for over 35 years and I can't only think of three movies right off the top of my head that used that trope. Identity, April Fool's Day and Slaughter High. Care to fill me in on what other movies used that trope?
To say nothing happened in Identity is just not accurate. Those characters did die even though they were just different sides of a man with split-personalities. His one personality was killing all the other sides of himself (his humanity) till there was no one left but his serial killer side. If you think about it, that's very scary.
Oh, how it sucked. It sucked sooooooo bad. There are few worse things in life than a totally stupid movie making a big deal about how smart it thinks itself to be.
It made zero sense. Maybe only the film Basic had a worse twist in the end. Both were from the "post Sixth sense/Seven/The Usual Suspects/Fight Club" era when everyone tried to be so god damn clever. Don't get me wrong, all the aforementioned films are pure gold though.
Identity is a good flick. And Karen dying didn’t bother me at all. One of the 3 ladies had to go and she always made the most sense. I imagine Laurie and Michael will both die in the finale.
My God. There's nothing wrong with Identity. We plead with Hollywood to do original stories, and then cut on unique ones when they don't entirely suit us. Identity is a sort of deeper dive into the mind of a serial killer, and instead of asking for "in real world" plotlines, how about focus more on the myriad personalities involved and see how the mind of such a killer might work?
It's fine to like it but it's equally fine to dislike it. You can ask for original stories and not like every original story that comes out. If someone can't connect to these characters who are shown not to be real, and don't care about the mind of the killer, that's totally valid for them.
@@LuffyTDS I agree with you. You can equally like or dislike any particular film. I was simply standing up for the film's concept. The video is about twists that pissed viewers off, and I don't think this film is necessarily top of the list in that regard.
I mean it makes zero sense. People with Dissociative personality disorder don’t have their personalities interact with each other. Even in their own head.
@thehoot79 Frankly, I'm with you. Identity gets grief because it may fall into "it's all a dream" critique. But in this case, it's not a dream. It's a violent scenario playing out in someone's mind and that mind is that of a terrifying killer. Hasn't been something like this before or since. It's a solid film.
I disagree heavily with April Fools' Day and Identity. For the former, it was a great twist at the begin that reframed the entire movie, and felt like an enjoyable riff on the format. The idea that Identity isn't real makes no sense: all movies aren't real, but what the movie is showing is the internal struggle taking place inside Malcolm, using these ten aspects of his personality.
Everyone dissing Identity is using the "it was never real" trope as the reason, but what is reality to someone with DID? If a person has multiple identities and those identities were somehow able to communicate with each other and interact, then wouldn't it make sense that the mind would create that setting for them? The viewer has a unique perspective in seeing internal and external events occurring simultaneously. I loved that about the film.
Faaacts, usually people who don't like movies like this is they don't like the journey to get there. About 1/2 way thru i knew what it was..but watching it unfold was what I enjoyed the most. And Cusack is my dude.! Dont know if he's ever played a bad guy, killer before but I would luuuv to see that! Like when Danny Glover played a serial killer! Its not about the movie per se but the getting there!
@@antoniomcmahon3499 He is an assassin in "Grosse Pointe Blank". Although not technically a "bad guy" , or at least not portrayed as such since he is the main character.
@@adgato75 yeah I know, im saying just that even as an assassin he wasn't despicable. You still wanted him with the girl at the end. Im talkin bout literally not seeing him coming from left field on some killing shit!!!
@@drewski103 It's literally two "ifs" unless you're counting the conclusion of the statement. Then, it's three. Just because you're bored by a psychological thriller, that doesn't mean that others are. Some of us like to have our expectations subverted.
I actually thoroughly enjoyed Dr Gordon's return in Saw 3D and the inevitable reveal that he had also been a secret apprentice of John Kramer following the events of the first movie. I also got chills hearing him say the now iconic phrase "Game Over" to Hoffman at the end of the movie. It was, IMO, the perfect ending for the Saw franchise.
I would agree but seeing Saw last week again made me realize that Gordon wouldnt helped jigsaw logically, since it was jigsaws Game that nearly killed his whole Family
It’s was a long time fan theory that dr Gordon was the one helping him with all the medical aspects of the traps. I remember watching a video of jigsaw limping and everyone said it was actually doctor Gordon. I was waiting for him to come back for like 3 movies.
I was screaming with glee when Gordon returned to exact revenge on Hoffman. The best thing about Saw VII was that unlike Freddy or Jason, the antagonist doesn't just die at the end of the movie and then returns in the next one, he stays alive and outsmarts some of the smartest ones, to finally see him get his comeuppance in VII was the conclusion any fan really needed
I was just coming here to see if anyone already said this, and I couldn't have said it any better myself. Gordon being in VII was perfect brilliant to me, especially because they found a way to connect the whole series all the way back to the first.. it was a genius move on the creators' part.
The Village is more about love than horror. It's about people trying to protect their families from a future of horror out of love. Ending didn't piss me off, just made me love it more.
I feel pretty confident that the twist in High Tension was just Aja's way of avoiding paying Dean R Koontz royalties for using his story, Intensity, because everything up until the twist was pretty much just Intensity. And April Fool's Day??? What were you expecting? Look at the NAME of the movie, ffs! I remember watching it when it first came out and telling a friend, "Wait for it.. this all gonna be some sort of elaborate prank.. It IS called April Fool's Day after all.." If you didn't see it coming, I think that says less about the movie than it says about your intelligence or lack thereof.
Signs is one of the four good movies from M. Night. I don’t know why watch culture hates it so much. It’s a great movie. Horror and mainstream alike both praise it.
@@quinlantaylor04 It could be because it's so very, very bad and also silly. I watched that dreck in the cinema and still haven't stopped vibrating of rage over the craptastic ending.
It was so disappointing since everyone knew it was coming after Saw 2, still they decided to use the twist. Without the message boards of Imdb this would've never been over-speculated and probably would've been less of a letdown. Though, maybe one should never read such speculations to spare from the accidental future spoilers..
I didn't like "Jigsaw" until "Spiral" came out. Made me reconsider if it was really as bad as I thought. I would say "Spiral" deserves to be here more than 3D but it's REALLY hard to consider that one as a twist
Its a good list but the saw 3D Gordon as an apprentice twist wasn't actually a twist. If you paid close attention to things especially in saw 2 you can see it was set up in the opening then. The whole key behind the eye would require a surgeon like Gordon and also in saw 2 you can see the guy limping in the video, bit like someone whose lost a foot.
Dr Gordon was the only good thing about Saw 3D lmao. The twist was pretty predictable but having him back in the series was worth it. Too bad the new trilogy seems to be ignoring it.
Halloween movies stopped being effective 40 years ago around the same time Michael decided to stalk his sister in the most deserted hospital in the country.
I have to disagree with this. I thought it was a pretty idiotic twist. The main reason for this is because with all those people still around the house, how did *nobody* see Michael even get in there? Unless he can teleport - and that would be even more ridiculous.
That twist works when you realize that’s the age he became that way. That’s what that person represents. Not necessarily the look but the age. That’s scary IMO
I have to say I was so happy that they got Dr Gordon back. Whether of was. Bad twist at least it wasn't out of the blue if you look at the evidence. There were hints in movies 2 In the first all of saws traps were barbaric using thin nogs like bear traps, a cage full of.barbd wire etc Movie 2: We had elements of poison and antiodotes, a pit full of syringes, a man had to cut his eye for key that was surgically put behind his eye. In the trap with the eye, you see the guy limping in the demo video and doing the procedure of putting the key behind the victims eye. All medical related traps
Yay, April Fool's Day mention! I absolutely ADORE this film. The fact that this was all a big twist is exactly why I think it works as a unique horror film; certainly it didn't piss me off. Unlike every other generic slash film from the 80's, they tried to do something different and - god forbid - fun. Yeah, the whole "horror vacation house" is a bit eye-roll inducing, but hey, they're basically just describing an Escape Room if it was based on Friday the 13th instead of Cube/Saw.
Another vote for "you're fucking nuts for including Identity in this." I admit, it's a kind of twist that was done to death in early/mid 2000s, but this was one of, if not the first out of the gate of the bunch. I remember leaving the theatre, blown away. The whole time I had no idea what was going on or what to expect. I wasn't able to anticipate the twist coming or sus it out before hand, because my knowledge/expectations weren't diluted with "yeah, seen that before." I roll my eyes at a lot of What Culture lists, but never has the movie fan in me been so aghast. Whoever included this movie in your list is nuts. 🙃
I was going to comment this but you beat me to it. Your right the sequels were great. This guy is just an idiot and has no idea what he's talking about.
The reveal of Dr. Gordon in Saw 3D was one I genuinely liked. It made sense, especially when you realise the surgical requirements for a lot of the traps in the sequels.
exactly, for any fan who guessed that Gordon was in on this, especially after Jigsaw's death, since someone had to do the surgical stuff, you get a solid payoff at the end
Nah, I LOVED Identity's twist. The idea that we were watching the inner machinations of a killer? Love it. And since it's all in the mind, there's non of the "doesn't make sense" cap that you get in movies like High tension. As for Karen dying? Nah. There is nothing more dangerous thab a mother scorned, and as the two that started the series. It makes sense that Laurie and Micheal finish the series.
I actually didn't mind the April Fool's Day twist, finding it makes a more memorable film, and had guessed correctly at The Village's twist about the monsters but they got me on the second one :) But what's with the # 1 choice? First, "Psycho II" is a pretty good twist ending, and second, why did you include scenes from Psycho III with Diana Scarwid when Psycho II had Meg Tilly? II is far superior to III
I remember people thinking The Village twist was clever when it first came out. I just think it’s “cool” to make fun of M Night Shaymalan now so everyone shits on his movies even though they were popular when they came out.
I felt shorted with the end of Martyrs. Twenty minutes of this woman beaten and flayed, and no answers at the end. Even the whole "torture them until they can see God" pissed me off. I watched it because I had heard how nasty it was, and it lived up to it. In the end, just felt cheated out of a meaningful ending.
I’ve NEVER thought The Villiage was that bad of a twist. Yeah, movie magic has to make it work, but it’s a lot better than MOST of the BS y’all let filmmakers get away with these days…
I would add she wolf of London to this list. Also the I still know what you did last summer twist wasnt the annoying part. SPOILER ALERT: It was the idea that apparently the killer impersonated a radio station, paid for 4 people to take a tropical vacation and murdered several people that had nothing to do with what happened in the first film just to get these people alone to kill them. I can't help but feel there were easier ways
I never understood what people didn't like about The Village. I thought it worked just fine and was a good-looking, well-acted film. But then again, I also liked Identity and had no problem with the twist. Worked for me. And Haute Tension, I continue to be baffled by the hate, I thought it was killer (no pun intended). Maybe people are just haters or maybe peoples' expectations are that every twist has to be executed flawlessly and absolutely blow their minds or it sucks. I suspect both are true. But then again, maybe I'm just a softie.
The Hide and Seek twist is terrible - but the reasoning in this video's a little off - just gotta point out that convicting De Niro's character on DNA evidence alone for the murder of his wife would be extremely hard to do, as investigators would be expecting his DNA to be on her body anyway - being married, there would be all kinds of DNA traces - and any half-decent defence attorney would be able to easily explain that cross contamination away. Even if the cops suspected him - they probably wouldn't rely on DNA evidence in a spousal murder.
UUUHHHG... I TOTALLY disagree with the Identity twist! I LOVED it so much I went out and bought the movie, and the ending? DIDN'T see that coming! And the Village wasn't bad, the twist does take it down a few pegs in my book but it's not HORRIBLE. The Saw twist wasn't really a twist for me, I knew Dr. Gordon would come back, he didn't die in the movie. I love the end scene just for the door slam and music really.
He could also understand that of all Kramer's apprentices, Hoffman might be the most dangerous so it would be smarter to get rid of him because he wants to end the line of succession.
Identity was great. The problem was that what you claim to be the twist was actually the core premise. The twist was in who the responsible identity was
And, i think it was an exception as a movie that did the whole "it was all in his head" really well. I don't remember many tv shows or movies doing that type of twist yet at that time, or at least not doing it as well as identity did.
I wouldn't even put Halloween Kills' ending as a "twist". The fact of it being well known at this point to be a trilogy, meaning Michael was going to be around for the next film, and the need to raise personal stakes for the final movie made it pretty obvious that Karen was going to be on the victim list. A well done cohesive story by Blumhouse, looking forward to the conclusion!
I think the hate comes from the fact that they 'killed him' in the first place. Part of the reason for the reboot was to rehuminize Michael and having them make him back into a superhuman/monster/ghost totally defeats the purpose and is extremely dissapointing to me the scariest part of Michael is that he is just a messed up human. We get enough of supernatural horror villains with Freddy and Jason.
@@Squeak9614 During Joe Bob Brigg's Halloween Hoedown, director David Gordon Green described his version of Michael Myers as "A man capable of extraordinary things". It is purposefully left to the audience to decide whether or not his resilience is indeed supernatural, or perhaps he just has the same stamina as any standard action movie hero.
Im not mad that he lived as you stated we all knew it was a trilogy. But to have her dying like that was trash. I grew up on halloween movies. Myers is my favee. I like the mob mentality how everyone had enough of his shit. But she shoulda died in the third movie not the second.. coulda been written better.
Wow I didn't expect to see April fools day on a list here! I definitely think it was a good twist, as much as I rolled my eyes I'm not sure of a better ending for it :)
The majority of the clips that you showed for your number one spot were actually from Psycho 3, which fixed the ending of Part 2 and established that Norma Bates really WAS Norman's mother.
9:03- either Jules misspoke or the writer got it wrong. Marie is the killer, not Alex. You got it right in the title/heading of the entry, but not in the explanation.
I personally Loved "The Village". It was building up for that big reveal, not precisely a twist. The village adults were obviously hiding something the whole time and the reveal as to why was chilling
Disagree with Halloween kills. Laurie's daughter was the most annoying charactor in kills and Halloween 2018. Everyone wanted to see her die from the hands of Michael Myers.
I Still Know made me more mad with the incorrect Radio Trivia question than with Will's last name hinting toward his lineage. The entire movie I'm irked wondering if the writer's didn't fact check or what?! So up until the reveal that it was intentional, I'm bothered as fuck that they think Rio is the capitol of Brazil!!!
Honestly, I don't understand why the Village is so hated. Is it a groundbreaking amazing movie? Not really, but it isn't god awful either and the concept is actually really interesting. Even as a kid I could grasp and appreciate the deeper meaning behind what Shyamalan was doing with his reveal. The theme of even the innocent can do evil isn't new, but it does hit hard and tie the whole plot of the movie together in a very interesting and relatable way. After all who wouldn't entertain the idea of setting up a safe haven after experiencing a tragedy? I think even the most reasonable person would (granted probably just as a passing thought with no real weight) when their mind is in such a fragile and vulnerable state. Yes the concept is bonkers and obviously not the solution to loss and grief, but horror is one of those genres that allows people to say "What if?".
What always amuses me about these lists is that a good chunk of these entries are on other lists that state the opposite. Identity and the Saw film were both on a list of Horror Plot Twists That Saved Disappointing Movies. Make up your mind WhatCulture! Either it’s a bad plot twist or it’s a good one.
Halloween Kills was not only the worst movie in the Halloween franchise, it was the worst horror movie I ever saw. I have seen at least 50 now. It made it look like everyone wanted to die. All they did was taunt Michael. They did not want him dead. If they wanted him dead, they would have beat him down, severed his head, and then burned all his bones. The Winchester Brothers would have finished him easy peezy. 🙄
I do not get the hate for Halloween Kills I absolutely loved it and the ending was great. Also killing Karen was the only option, Laurie has to be in the final film
Marie in High Tension/Switchblade Romance is pronounced MA-ree, not MAIR-ee. Also, another one of those lists that doesn't actually belong to Jules, but someone else - this time Andrew Pollard wrote this list. Jules is so much better when he does his own lists and articles - this time he was so uncomfortable, he didn't do his words of encouragement for the "Massive Lejjs" at the end!
If you didn't see Gordon coming through the franchise that is on you. #1 rule of a anything involving dead bodies is, 'show us the corpse' if it typically hasn't fallen from a great height, you show the body. They never did and it was a fan theory from Saw 2 when you see the cctv footage of a robed limping man walking up to a table i assuming doing something medical. You basically slapped by his sawn off foot that the ground work is there.
You're confusing me with the twist of Gordon in SAW 3D. Which part of it pissed fans off? Everybody knew that Gordon was an apprentice after/while watching SAW II. The guy operating on Michael in the video is limping on the right foot, to a degree where you were meant to notice it. There's nothing subtle about it. After all, it was the movie that revealed that John wasn't working all by himself.
I have said it once and I will keep saying it, the "twist" in the village was taken from a young adult book called Running Out Of Time and was published in 1995.
Why were there scenes from Psycho III when discussing Psycho II? And personally, I found that ending creative. I remember seeing it in the theater on first release and discussing with my mom on the ride home.
