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The thought of the God Emperor of Mankind manifesting as a little girl to mock Tzeentch's maze as to say its so easy even a little girl can complete it is hilarious to me. It's so petty but exactly what I expect from the embodiment of Humanity
Maybe he was just curious about what might be in there. He was like okay number 1,437.677 on my things to do in the warp list. Solve tzenchs maze. So he goes through it easily and is just like. Huh. That’s it. Some riddle demon and crystals? Whatever. And he just leaves without making a scene. He’s a busy dude.
Tbh, it seems a bit.. derpy. Ik it's funny, but still it kinda down plays the God who could've literally won the great game if he wanted to, but didn't because he wanted to keep things interesting. It might be just me, but I'm glad that this bit of lore isn't mentioned in the current setting.
@@kaidothedrunkard i mean, since we know so little of who/what the child was, It would be an interesting way to bring another diety into the setting. Maybe like a god of riddles, tricks and puzzles, something that would be the opposite of the chaos god
Tzeench: “How did that little girl pass the riddles!?” Guardian: “She let the dog answer the riddles…and I don’t speak dog, so I had to assume it was correct! Also look at it! It’s big dumb face!” **chaotic cooing intensifies**
Personally, I think she was indeed a normal human. Because people who are simple minded in the true sense of the term are extremely difficult to deceive.
@@carljohan9265 Huh? The simple-minded *are* the easiest to decieve. Simple thinking and goals mean you can be led by the nose by those with ulterior motives. Sounds like the girl was guided by something or someone.
Another cool fact that I think is overlooked or barely mentioned is that Fulgrim was almost successfully assassinated by a Raven Guard Space Marine known as Nykona Sharrowkyn. Fulgrim was saved due to Fabius. The very same person best Lucius in a duel, not once but twice, killing him the second time (before he got his bullshit chaos powers). Sharrowkyn is cool as hell and I just never hear anyone speak of the assassination attempt
If I remember from that book correctly, didn't Fulgrim and the Emperor's children allow the assassination attempt to occur in order to trick Pterabo into helping them find the Angel Exterminatus? Didn't they they know about it beforehand? Edit: Yes, I just re-read the part if that book. Fulgrim knew how to set it up perfectly so he wouldn't die.
@@DrFeltcher But still, Nykona beat Lucius in the one on one sword duel and killed him. Thats some major achievement here. Also he can be alive during current times if just someone found him and unfroze him.
@@DrFeltcher Hmmm, he had Perturabo build him the amphitheatre so he could tell the story and perform, but I swear they had no idea of the assassination? I don’t suppose you have the excerpt, been a while since I listened to the audiobook
@@Hammer_Of_Olympia He built the Amphitheater AND he knew the Raven Guard was going to attempt an assassination. Fulgrim let it happen. I will keep listening to the book. When I find it again I will let you know if you don't want to listen to it yourself.
I love the idea of the little girl being just some random little girl and not someone special. Her being a cosmic being or the emperor taking the piss would be a little funny but its way better to have the god of confusion, riddles, mystery, and such out played by a random child who got lucky.
Tzeentch: AH, MY OLD NEMESIS, THE CORPSE EMPEROR, DISGUISED AS A HUMAN CHILD I SEE! Random Little Girl: What? Tzeentch: YOU THINK YOU CAN DECIEVE ME, THE GOD OF TRICKERY?!? I ADMIT THIS DISGUISE OF YOURS IS CONVINCING, BUT-! The Emperor, walking in with his deck of playing cards: Hey abomination, you ready to-, who’s the kid? Tzeentch, suddenly realizing he got outplayed by a four year old: … no one important. The kid: can I go through the maze again? That was fun
In the book "Lukas the Trickster" Lukas and his friends capture some dark eldar raiders and are trying to find out about their raid. He tries interrogating one but then just says fuck it and carves out his brain and eats it in front of the eldar's friends
Lukas also turned an invading army of Word Bearers into popsicles by telling them that he would duel their leader at a set location of Fenris. Said location was in fact, a sea that had frozen over and the Word Bearers cracked the ice with how heavy their armour was.
I’m sure for the all knowing god of scheming and knowledge, getting surprised by the least assuming being would be either the most terrifying thing or humbling…
Children are the most unpredictable things in the universe. No matter how powerful, wise, nor precognitive you are. Children can still surprise you. Also its been Established the emperor manifests in children or other humans/space marines from time to time. So the child could have very easily been carried through by the emperor just to take the piss out of Tzeech. Especially since he already did that with Nurgle on multiple occasions afaik.
Early lore Tzeentch had much more interesting tales. I still remember the one when he had his own crystal staff and made him so overpowered he was winning the great game without even trying. Then Khorne teamed up with Nurgle and fought him and he lost his staff which shattered into pieces and scattered to spread magic all across the universe. It's like a fanciful Greek tale.
If you wanted to go a bit more realistic you could go with the idea that the little girl was the manifestation of the last bit of true good left in the universe.
It would made anyone in the universe fear what humanity was because It means that their fall wasnt really a fall they Just jumped of the game and can easily fight the chaos but dont want
I remember reading about the lil girl and her dog. I always thought that was a ref to the Wizard of Oz and that it was supposed to be Dorothy and Toto. Especially since Tzeentch's realm is sometimes theorized to change it's appearance based on who was looking at the time. Perhaps when the girl arrived with her dog the Impossible Fortress might have looked like...an emerald city
@@jupiterrising887 Especially when you think about how Tzeentch's realm is crystalline in a lot of imagery. Not much of stretch that the crystals would appear like emeralds on a certain day. Plus you could easily think that the pink/blue horrors ('munchkins') would lead her to the impossible fortress as a joke to lead her into any number of traps...and then the whole thing doesn't quite go to plan...
i just love the idea of the emperor taking the piss out of tit-snitch by transforming into a little girl with a dog which could have been leman russ you never know
My head canon is that the girl is Saint Celestine and the dog was the Emperor whispering the answers to her so she could complete the maze and unlock the secrets of creating imperial daemons like the living saints
wouldn't be transforming but possessing the girl who found herself in the maze in order to help her out, but I genuinely hope it was just a lone child with no help that got through it
@@whyohgodwhy3796 how did saint Celestine get the power to go into the warp in the first place if the emperor didn’t know how to make living saints until after the maze was completed
Hmm, the dog seemed suspicious to me from the get go. But unfortunately, as long as there isn’t any direct evidence, am not sure that such theories and suspicions have any credit to them.
How do you know Tzeentch didn't plan to be humiliated by this little girl? For all we know it could have been Tzeentch disguising as a little girl to humiliate himself in some 4d chess fuckery for shits and giggles. We're still playing checkers while Tzeentch is playing 40d chess. Its all according to plan
When you're so OP you turn one of your own fragments into a separate entity that you then have go on to defeat you just so something can finally challenge you.
It almost seems alien to a degree, hearing all these things about 40K and objects that still exist in our world today. Even a character who was still catholic, even if the religion is no more. It gives the world a life I haven't fully seen before until now
I really wonder how the big religions were doing during the Age of Strife, before the Emperor supressed them. I am really curious about how they were fighting Chaos and demons (which are big things in Christianity and Islam) etc.
@@gustavoritter7321 that would be really interesting we know belief can affect daemons all it would take is one super religiose priest seeing and trying and successfully exercising it that would lead to some supper religiose worlds
@@mervinreyes3008 It is kind of implied that the big religions had declined during the Age of Technology and revived strong during the age of strife, so strong that the Emperor spent a lot of time supressing them. It would be hilarious if the Emperor supressing them was actually in the end beneficial to Chaos in case they were doing great job holding Chaos at bay on their own.
@@gustavoritter7321 The earths religious would've been easy targets for daemon corruption as their gods aren't real and would not have granted them protection.
8:08 A similar concept exists in Biblical Mythology called by various names including Adamic, Enochian or the Divine Language. Basically the language was laced with the Ineffable Name of God so speaking it granted a shit ton of power. Considering Warhammer's religious References this is a plausible inspiration.
@@the_man_emperor_of_mankind Yeah, I heard that Jesus apparently merely spoke God's true name, and that unleased a potent shockwave. Don't know if it did any damage, but people felt it.
I can see why WeeGee let this story thread go away. Frak Herbert's family trust would absolutely shit a solid brick of spice over the copyright infringement.
everything in the Universe is energy vibrating at a frequency, the sounds we make with our voices are also frequencies, if we knew which frequencies to use that would interact with the most fundamental aspects/laws of matter in the Universe, then we could alter it...thus Moses parting the sea. I just came up with that off the top of my head in like 5 seconds, I have no clue but it's what would make some logical sense.
@@silver1340 yeah what happen in the story was Jesus spoke the true name of God when captured by the Romans. It then brought a recently dead person back to life in the burst of power kind of like a small earthquake.
A great story and then they had to add in "WHAT IF SHE'S SOMEONE ELSE IN DISGUISE!?" Cartoony nonsense. The story of a little girl running through a hellish library full of demons is a Del Toro film in the making.
He has (but not limited to): At least 1 Custodian, an entire squad of 30K Imperial Fists, A bell so powerful it's chimes crack planets, An Inquisitor, more than a few Grey Knights, A literal perfect Loyalist Fulgrim clone, and a loooooot more. Trazyn is a *very* thorough collector. He gets what he wants, always.
4:45 OH that's cool! I didn't know Ahriman owned a Vineyard, that's actually really wholesome. I am imagining Ahriman just chilling on a vineyard in italy, sitting on a nice balcony of a fine home, in a wooden chair just eating some good cheese, sipping some fine wine he made himself. He gazes out as the sun sets, and smiles. "Ahh...This, this is living." He mutters to himself, content.
Absolutely what would have happened had his gene-father not been a capital-D Dumbass (though I maintain that Magnus did nothing wrong). The Ultramarines talk about it a lot, what they would do once the Crusade came to an end. The XIII and XV are just about the most prepared to live a meaningful life without war. It's a shame it never happened.
Fulgrim using his immense demonic powers to repeatedly recreate his childhood to live out his favorite "what if" scenarios is extraordinarily pathetic.
Meanwhile, we created this lore to explain why exactly my opponent should believe that my plastic man is the best/most evil/dangerous plastic man ever.
I loved the story of the little girl giving the finger to a bamboozled Tzeentch and just leaving while he try to figure out. Wish to know where it is mention btw.
4:15 I'm pretty sure everyone knew this but one grim thing that I remember is that when Konrad Curze crash-landed on Nostramo and dug himself out and onto the surface the first thing he did was eat a human being now and that played a HUGE role in shaping his character where he learned what a degenerate place Nostramo was and it warped his extreme sense of justice.
@@mathieupelletier6383 IIRC, it was introduced in the Ravenor series, but given who the two are (Ravenor = competent inquisitor or maybe far above competent; Eisenhorn = High Grandmaster of Inquisitors), Eisenhorn appears to have discovered it first. I remember when I first got Pariah, Eisenhorn vs Ravenor and I laughed my arse off. That only works a few ways and if we eliminate the option of an Eisenhorn going so bonkers he is a new character, then it comes out a joke. Ravenor discovers Eisenhorn is right and follows after like a puppy. Eisenhorn allows Ravenor his play time to train him in how to be a real Inquisitor. Eisenhorn allows Ravenor his play time because he has been diverted into furthering Eisenhorn's purposes. Ravenor has actually become competent enough to cause Eisenhorn some trouble, in which case Ravenor ends up bitch slapped across the galaxy.
Random thought. If Pertuabo could see the eye of terror. Do you think his original purpose was to essentially close the eye of terror and future warp rifts so he alone could see them? With his other unique ability to break down the workings of machines and understand them instantly. He would of been able to recreate necron pylons without issues. He could build them and locate warp rifts. I don't think he was meant for anything else idk.
I think it emps knew about the pylons, he’d have focused a lot harder on dealing with that first during the Great Crusade. Leave his webway project for after that, if it’s still needed
Would love to see Majorkill talk about the Alpha Plus Apex Twins. >six to seven years old >killed everyone in a black ship, you know the ship that have Sisters of Silence to prevent stuff like that from happening? >killed several Inquisitors and their bodyguards >was captured only to escape and cause mass destruction because some tool thought it was a good idea to parade around captured psykers without realizing that two of them practically destroyed a *black ship* Also, don't worry about the Warhammer subreddits hating you. They're reddit, which is already enough of a insult.
@@andrewsaunders9639 He's too based. And it's reddit, you sneeze incorrectly and people downvote and ostracize you from their community, only to complain about gatekeeping be bad right after. Nothing wrong with a limited amount of gatekeeping but by the Emperor...
@@TeamOneDay Basically. I get some reddit threads on my phone explore and I occasionally see some cool stuff for games, 40k, etc but most of the time it's just a bunch of screeching.
My personal headcanon on the girl who snuck through is that she’s the psyker who was sacrificed in Man of Mankind (as she had the ability to hear the thoughts of the dead). Given that there probably million of lost souls wandering within, I suspect she dark-souled herself with the messages left by those who died before her. Also, the demon world that’s just a fat dude is in Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 I mean, if that's the case, that makes sense. If there's any beings out there that could punk the chaos gods, it's the those fuckers.
the last one was extremely cool. maybe it was the spirit of the girl from "the ring" and she just got bored after Terra became unhauntable. the emperor theory is also interesting and likely
They can't afford the paint on top of the mini because of how outrageous gw's prices are and the inquisition would claim heresy if the print the mini themselves😂
We can never let the Orkz find out about that. Imagine if one of them just pulled out a D20 mid-battle and eviscerated everything in sight with a stupid roll...
Not sure about Angron but Lorgar and Perturabo have worlds that are kinda basic demon worlds (Sicarius is like a religious version of modern day China- just keep building more temples to the dark gods and if you run out of space build on top of old temples). Mendrengard is basically a world with a whole bunch of fortresses and forge fanes filled with Iron Warriors that occasionally murder each other.
Lorgar is too busy hiding from Corvus. Peturablo is constantly improving his armor and running simulations to assault the imperium. Angro has been trying to reunite his scattered legion and attacking the imperium, but he is too berserk, uncharismatic and ineffectual to pull it off. At best he can lead an army of daemons and a warband or two on a rampage that gets beaten back.
You got the spelling right. I've never heard of this, and the fact that anyone can speak this language and do crazy stuff to the fabric of reality is insane yet awesome. "When spoken aloud or written, Enuncia was capable of manipulating the very fabric of reality, a power beyond even the most potent psykers. It was incredibly dangerous, especially since it required no natural psyker ability, and *could potentially be used by anyone."*
@@mkohana7168 I remember that, it's a bit more limited and weaker from what I remember, and can be countered. Speaking of "voice", reminds me of the Thu'um, speaking words of destruction or otherwise power of something or someone.
@@DGneoseeker1 Fragments? Makes sense. But unfortunately I'm rather new (introduced properly a few months ago, new it existed years prior but never found the time) to the series so I don't know much.
Finally! someone brought up enuncia! like damn can we TALK about this shit. Its a form of magic that DOESNT rely on the warp in other words DOESNT suck off a chaos god or turn you into a warp portal.. and not only can blanks use it.. they can use it WITHOUT suffering the throat scorching teeth shattering recoil? makes you wonder why else do the sisters love their silence. GW im gonna need a space marine chapter full of dragonborn to be made and then face off against noise marines STAT.
They were using Chaos tainted cogitators to run down the Enuncia language. It must have a link to Chaos somehow. The cogitators were being rounded up from a planet the Warp recently spat out. That's how the Flect trade got started. The raiders were also bringing back Chaos tainted panes of glass to sell as a drug. Flect was what clued the Inquisition in and Ravenor into the general mix in the first place.
they used those cogitators to essentially make a big random number generator since its lost to time and cant really be reocrded by normal means.. warp shenanigans are needed to OBTAIN enuncia. but enuncia is seen to be a separate force entirely. believed to have something to do with the creation of the materium even before chaos. in the bequin series valdor himself seems to be manipulating the cognitea into turning blanks into some new kind of warp entity not aligned to chaos, capable of using enuncia to even greater effect. with that being said i think the EMPEROR likely had plans regarding enuncia and the pariahs.
I can easily imagine Enuncia being forgotten. Imagine how fun learning it, or teaching it would be. "Now repeat after me, and this is going to hurt both of us very bad!"
40K Universe is a beautiful thing... amazing how GW has pulled the equivalent of being 21 up in the Superbowl and fumbling the ball back to back to lose by 3 in the last 5 minutes...
@@jupiterrising887 remember how it is said in skyrim that the ancient nords created a new word of power that means any word can be created if your creative
I remember reading a thousand sons quite a long time ago and I remember Magnus talking about his back story to a important rememberancer while drinking arhiman’s wine and Arihman talking about how he wanted to make wine when got back to prospero from the great crusade it was a fun and slightly depressing bit of lore
The little girl is Cegorach and the Laughing God emerged from the labyrinth with the knowledge needed to eventually free Isha and shepherd Ynnead to wakefulness... . . . . Just a theory. Don't quote me.
Loved the Lore on Tzeench’s Labyrinth getting beaten by a child. The Changer of Ways better hope she didn’t go telling anyone, he’d be the laughing stock of Chaos if she did. Edit: Just thought of a funny plot twist: the little girl was The Big E in disguise, and the doggy was his Centurion.😂
And also in, I wanna say, Daemon World by Ben Counter? I could be wrong though. It's a subplot of whatever novel it is anyway, I think it involves a Dark Angel ending up adrift in space at the time of the Horus Heresy after some shit goes well and truly south, so he goes into hibernation using his Sus-An Membrane and just floats off hoping for the best. At the time of the story (the 41st Millennium, or thereabouts), he's found and awoken by an old comrade who's turned to Chaos, hence why he's still alive after so long. He lies to the ancient Dark Angel about all the important stuff until the dude realises he's being fed a load of bunkum, clobbers the Fallen and noms his noggin to find out the truth. I could be wrong about the details, but the basic concept is definitely that. I also remember it specifically saying that the traitor Marine didn't really feel anything as his brain was eaten, since there are no sensory nerves in the grey matter. Funny what stays with you eh?
If you read the books you should be familiar with Enuncia. It's mentioned in 5 or 6 of the books that I have. I think saturnine, Prospero burns (although maybe not by name), and at the two Bequin books, it's mentioned in one or two more of the siege of terra books too. The one in saturnine I am pretty sure is Pious' rembering destroying a city with Big E and that's when he stabs him as well. Oh and spoiler if you don't know Alanius Pious was was original Warmaster. Which I thought was pretty cool.
The little girl story is actually from the movie Labyrinth, staring Jennifer Connelly and David Bowie. The lore writers occasionally have a laugh and sneak little digs and Easter eggs for people with a sense of humor or pop culture knowledge. Labyrinth is a literary evolution of the Wizard of Oz.
Speaking of drinks, Mortarion and his human Death GUard drank literal engine fluids and toxins to celebrate battles. 99% sure that it was healthier then whatever horror Abaddon cooked up.
The little girl really needs some fleshing out. Maybe a shard of magnus or the secret not primarch daughter of the emperor. It would be a cool story to see her meet with Bobby G and him being floored.
I'm 99% sure the lost girl and her black dog is a reference to Dorothy from the wizard of Oz, going through a fantastic and complicated journey before defeating "the man behind the curtain" all while accompanied by her trusty black terrier, Toto. People think it's Sanguinus who is the Jesus allegory, but it's really Olanius. And given that and his perpetual nature and the way he was killed in a mundane way, he is likely to be ressurected/reformed if he hasn't already by M41
Do you know if things like the eat brain matter for memories and especially Enochian are still considered canon? Everytime I did read about those it was in novels from the same author. Most things in the video I did already know, but some I had forgotten, like the eat brain matter part. Also about the girl and her pet, while I still remembered the story itself I didn't remember that it was from W40k. There was something I didn't know before in it, too: Oliensis.
That chunk of lore that makes Fabius Bile the 40K Frankenstein. I'm a little bit annoyed I didn't know that already. I think this could be a successful series if you wanted.
The way he pronounces Tzeentch makes me laugh so much, it's perfect for the story he's telling because it sounds like the way a kid might try to say it from reading it lmao. Made respect and nothing but love mate.
I freaked my party out in a game of deathwatch when I ate the brains of one of the casualties of a tyranid infestation to get some Intel. I was new to the warhammer 40k universe but I saw the ability and went "yeah I am definitely using this"
Has there ever been any examples of people who have turned away from chaos? I know about those nurglite space marines who got cut off from the warp and then killed themselves, but thats not what I am talking about. I mean, has there ever been a time that someone was able to turn away from the ruinous powers and come back from it? Is there any kind of redemption? Or is it that once chaos has you, it has you for good. I would love to see a video about characters who were able to break free of chaos and come back to the light, if such a thing exists.
A few examples come to mind (spoilers!) The Anchorite, a dreadnought in the modern era, was once a Word Bearer who had been sent to Calth. Midway through the war he had a change of heart and somehow managed to avoid execution by the Ultramarines. Technically you have the Fallen, who may or may not have served Chaos once upon a time, now (possibly) fighting for the Imperium, not that the Dark Angels will forgive them. Technically Blackshields could count? But given they don’t have history or battle honours to speak so… There was a bit of lore where there was this area cut off from the warp and when the storm abided the loyalists had turned traitor and the traitors had turned into loyalists. Lastly, the 114th Iron Warriors Grand Battalion, which due to being screwed over twice (losing five thousand out of six thousand marines in the process), rage quit Chaos and joined the loyalists again, chewing out the Alpha Legion that had used them as cannon fodder.
I hate to be "actually" guy, but... According to most recent books (both from Horus Heresy era and from 40k era) (Major spoilers ahead): - Enuncia was actively used by Big Е during construction of Babylon tower (yes THAT Babylon tower). And Oleanus was the one who destroyed that tower with Enuncia and stopped Big E for a while from being extra Big D. - all the bad guys from Dan Abnett's books who were creating dictionary for enuncia were employed to that task (not knowingly by them) by Constatin Valdor himself. Also original Cognitae was founded by Big E himself.
Some thing about what was said about Malcador got me thinking.... what IF Malcador meet a certain someone that got him collecting artefacts namely Trazyn Got to collect them all.
Okay, color me shocked. I follow the channel and usually find the videos entertaining, so this isn't a backhanded compliment or anything, merely an appreciation for what I thought was going to be throw-away Grimderp stupidity but actually provides me with a ton of content for my Rogue Trader ttrpg campaign.
I know there was one 'living' world in the Eye of Terror that tried to go out and find its long-lost master. It followed a path through the unnatural stars and starsystems in the Eye, until it actually left the Eye. Problem was, the only reason it was 'living' was that it was richly infused with warp energy, and sustained by the super-dense currents of that energy within the Eye; the moment it left, it started dying. And it couldn't turn around and get back. I think the final part of that story was a sensor station near the Eye that was there to watch out for things like fleets, and they noted this rogue world tumbling out of the Eye. They would have written it off as just a chunk of garbage except that it had a huge, human-ish face on one side of it. So... it earned itself a small notation in the logs, and maybe a message to the fleet HQ at Cadia (still there at the time) that maybe they should at least take a look at it, or blow it up so it didn't obstruct the space lanes.
A good rule of thumb for TTS is the crazier the thing, the more likely it is to have come from GW. Long live the Captain General! Long live Warhammer's greatest father figure!
To br fair to abaddon's moonshine, probably takes something about that terrifying and nasty to get an astartes drunk. Best not think to much about what the space wolves are partying down with.
Would like to see you cover if you can come back from Chaos or what happens if you try. Can a plague marine renounce their allegiance to Nurgle and let space AIDS take them or would they immediately be turned into a pile of goo? Could a primarch renounce their allegiance and live? I'm assuming they wouldn't be welcomed back into the Imperium but maybe go on a crusade or live as a hermit in isolation.
A plague marine technically did that in a short story (he was an ultrasmurf out of all things) and he managed to survive long enough to blow up a demon prince with a vortex bomb. Not exactly sure what happened to him after he went kaboom (or do I want to know, for that matter).
tzeentch: i have it all planned, everything is according to keikaku little girl: (casually beats tzeentch's crystal maze ) tzeentch: i didnt plan for that
Ollanius Pius did not stand in front of the Emperor when he was wounded. I will go to my grave defending the old lore that it was just some random guardsman standing up to Horus.