10 Major Differences Between Wargame Red Dragon And Steel Division 2 

Would be great to create custom campaigns instead of modifying the existing ones that most times result in bugs crashes and disappointments - unfortunately so many conflicts happened since the 1990 - plenty of room for creativity

Like desert storm or afganista

You might be lucky tomorrow when they announce their new project.

yea, same with tanks. As a result, you could just panic enemy superheavy and force it to surrender even to your non-at infantry.

Dmitry Smirnov makes sense. Since most tanks lost are either being abandoned or surrendered to advancing enemies.

yeah and its ww2 it was harder to get renforcement then in modern war

This is the single most important difference IMO, very surprised he didn't put it up top. Your tanks may not have HP, but you can 'destroy' any vehicle in the game with basic infantry mortars if you just keep fire on them until the crew bails for lunch. As for infantry, call in arty or airstrike, and rush with a transport and there goes half the enemy frontline surrendered

@@fortusvictus8297 most modern engagements are super long range, so the odds of you in an abrams being able to wave to someone with an ATGM miles away that you "surrender" isn't very viable, and its likely you won't even know your fucked until you are, I'd say surrender only applies when you jump the gun on someone in an ambush and they have little chance to react, kind of like catching a tank crew on their lunch break.

Wargame: Oil Reclamation

Well well well, South Africa is a surprise, a welcomed one.

Thats why you always use NATO standard icons.

actualy, i like the SD2 icons - now i can understand what type of tank or AT gun i'm loking at without need to hover it.

The bad thing is that I don't see the names. Euro Escalation icons is the only proper setting

Same, I started with Steel Division 2, no problems with units. Now I'm trying out Red Dragon and I feel like it's a lot more confusing. And I know both WW2 vehicles and modern vehicles (but I must admit, probably more of WW2)

Same it a pity tho that u can't replace infantry and the at range for the infantry is lack luster

Commander units are a good mechanic but using them to buff nerby units experience is a more ellegant way of implementing them than command zones I agree.

Fuck the front line mechanic.

@@skyrimn00b98 Agreed

The frontline MEC is ok but u can't do any cheeky flanks with out the other player knowing

There are also FW 190 scout planes, major difference

noone cares what you think

@@Thonglover37 nah you are wrong m8

@@Thonglover37 i do care.

which one is the one shot one? wg or sd?

@@ruse3436 you can one shot tanks in War Thunder not all times but you can. hit that Ammo rack or the type of shell you have in.

both games have tank hitpoints... steel division just have more types of vehicle crits, such as ammo rack, fuel explosion etc that instant kill no matter the HP.

omfg seriously stop 🤡🤡🤡

@@olivermiller1905 bruh what a coincidence.

I do surprise attacks and ambush all the time.

@@izvarzone it only works if ur againt noobs and ai

Scout units do not push frontline - you still can make spec-ops teams and infiltrate enemy lines. Frontline gives some info, yes, but only general one "something is pushing" or "someone is defending here"

There are quite a few Recon based decks in SD2, Recon units dont push the frontline and arent also subjected to surrender to my knowledge, though I could be wrong on the surrender part. There is one deck specifically that comes to mind for the Russians, it's an early version of Spetznaz and they get some seriously nasty Recon units that can sneak through your lines if unguarded swoop around and bite you in the ass, to say it only works against noobs would not be an accurate statement, I have seen these things done in 10v10's. Also when you consider that most of the people saying these kinds of games have usually come from the previous title or similair games like Wargame, the term "noob" should probably be used sparingly because anyone with a good tactical sense and basic knowledge of mechanics is quite capable of kicking anyone else's ass, it purely depends on how they utilize their forces against whoever they are facing.

But the damage is not binary like in RD. in RD any AP weapon effectively will deal at least 1 damage, so chepa units have a too easy time.

Do you have the wrong timestamp?

@@bumblebeepotato Lol. I'm sure he means 9:05. That clusterf*ck annoyed me in RD as well.

For me it's the scenario, I just like the modern setting. I wish they would release a new Wargame set in Desert Storm, Syria or slithly in the future to incorparate Russia and China.

+15

yup SD2 1943 to 1944, RD 1950ish to 1992 in other words 1 you have options the other you don't

i actually found the sd2 maps to have more variety in terrain, elevation, and vegetation than wgrd

I don't think they have the license for it, I think the IP stayed with Focus Home Interactive, though yeah I'd love to see a not-wargame wargame with larger scope and more consideration for the nuance that's included in the SD games to be in, not just more arbitrary hitpoints based systems for something as cut and dry as, for example: modern tank engagements.

@@Donuthan If what you said is true then they should make their own ip(with hookers and blackjack :D). And in that ip use modern war or ww2 as inspiration not source in an alternate world. That way armor and gun values and such can be made up for balance and stuff. Extra interesting would be a WG or SD style game in the 40k universe.

In his previous video he explains that since he left his job he has time to come this game and lean it and to possibly master it

No they won't, because paratroopers / gliders were never used (on purpose) in the middle of a firefight while a battle was ongoing

Very bad game

@@premium0bly How is it a bad game?

I don't only see the downsides of SD2. I like the mechanics of parts of vehicles being damaged until repaired. In WRD is a temporary debuff, whereas in SD2 it's a permanent debuff until repaired. And the vision tool is fantastic :)

I think helis were in limited use by the Germans in the southern theater of Europe as supply transport (most-likely wrong on usage) but were still a proto-type and had difficulties so commanders opted to not use them often. I am most likely wrong somewhere but I do know you are right they were invented during ww2 and by Germany and served no combat roles.

The US had the Sikorsky prototype and the germans had a side by side dual rotor one they used in limited numbers for cargo transport. Thats all that I know of.

Nope, theres actually a seize button and hold position which lets the AI handle huge formations if you let them. Also you can have whole regiments be handled by AI while you handle other regiments.

@@Salaci ah cool. I might consider getting it afterwards.

But you get the arty spam so there's that!

@@rotgertesla Eh idk about arty spam, unles you're in a 10v10 arty is too expensive.

Yes

@@Stealth17Gaming Freaky Deaky Dutch :P

Recon units don't impact the frontline and infantry combat is a pivotal point in SDN44 and SD2, you basically have to make educate guess on what type of unit you are up against since FoV plays a major role in SD titles which adds a layer of strategic depth to it. Also in SD2, the objective is to capture objectives (basically the RTS version of capture the flag similar to Battlefield games) rather than having the majority percentage of the frontline.

no, it takes away the artificial hunt for command vehicle. This is better. They overdid it in SD 1 with JUST frontline, but the mix of frontline and flags is perfect. It feels less gamey than wargame system.

It's 5 years old. Red Dragon came out in April 2014

Not really. It's pretty easy to fake a frontline since it only requires a single non recon unit to hold it. If you watched high level sd44 games youd see it was all about bluffs and stacking forces on a flank.

If it was for beginners, beginners would have 50% winrate.

@@caif4 So if I also put 1 unit and take a guess at location an bomb the hell out of it that front line is now gone also bluffing the enemy that your on the flank is a very poor move because if they find out your not there then they will simple attack you then from the flank bluffing them into thinking your not there is smarter

@@izvarzone RD vets have experiences and most of then suck so bad they have to stack on 1 team to get a win because if they went against another vet that plays against other vets they will simple lose so take the noobs % 30-ish and the vets (questionable) 60-ish% and bring it half way 45% is were they should be close to but their not only because some jackoffs can't play anyone better than their skills

@@williamhutt2588 1. So your solution is to just guess and waste bombers on potentially nothing? That's also assuming that someone went to the extreme to just put a single unit to hold a frontline (no one does this unless they are playing against the most passive of passive players). 2. Making a bluff that you arent at a place is easy. Take an imposing unit like a panther and park it somewhere that's visible to the enemy but out of range of possible AT locations. It looks like you are prepping for an attack but you are not. You can also drop HE and smoke on known strong points to give the impression that you are moving to hit that location then hit a different are. Or you can get a breakthrough and send a very fast unit like a jeep to stretch the frontline but instead of moving units where the jeep past you hit the flanks of the front. It just sounds like you didnt actually play the game or you played stuff like 10v10 on a 4v4 map because all the same mind games you can do in wargame are possible.