10 Minutes of Religion being Torn Apart by Philosopher Peter Singer 

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I like your post! I have come to roughly the same view although I remain within a religious framework. Don’t worry about tomorrow, today has enough trouble (and wonder) of its own!

This is enlightenment.

How true, I was raised Catholic but I can’t see how anyone can believe in it.

All I know is that, the God of the Bible is prejudice, racist, and insane! Don’t see this thing as any creator!

AGREE!

Amen.

Amen.

I have no problem with your post. But I have question . Are you jabbed ?

Madalyn Murray O'Hair was a monster who used the government to force her belief of atheism and try to control all of our our lives . She attempted to take away our children's rights to pray , their freedom of speech and freedom of religion . How can anyone stoop as low as she did ? Neither you , Madalyn or the government will tell my wife , son and and i and our friends at our wonderful , very diverse Fundamental Baptist Church that we cannot say or sing God Bless America whenever and wherever we choose to do so . Neither you , Madalyn or the government will tell my wife and i that we cannot say the Pledge of Allegiance the correct way , with the words Under God included ! America is a Christian nation . " America is the shining city on a hill " - Ronald Reagan , our greatest and most successful Christian President .

Now it's time to forsake your wicked ways and come to know the one true God Jesus Christ and become a born again Christian by obeying the gospel.

Go back to your padded cell. Did you not hear anything in the video. Youre deaf and delusional. Your cult is dying off and good riddance. ​@user-ws1pp2hg2j

​@@user-ws1pp2hg2j What wicked ways? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. People worship 10,000 deities worldwide, so Jesus Christ is as mythical as Quetzalcoatl, Isis, or Kali. As an African American Atheist, I refuse to obey a book that tells slaves to obey their masters!

Good fellow, atheists don’t have to carry religious baggage. But don’t confuse religion with God (whatever that is).

@@user-ws1pp2hg2joh dear.

Or who are terrified of rationality. As well as the identity crisis that removing religion would do to some people.

Yes, like our current political system where the idea of God has been co-opted by the "crazies."

@@Grandpa_Boxer or "God" being the seal of approval for the beliefs of the chosen proxies of "God."

"One can not use rationality to talk someone out of a belief they didn't use rationality to get to."

Humans are not rational. Just look at politics if you don’t believe me.

They do it on purpose so we musicians can improvise on it

Yes, some would say meandering........ illogical starts and stops.......

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Sadly true. But that in itself does not make them false

@@micklumsden3956 I'd agree with that. However, religion argues that it IS true with no room for uncertainty.

A form of control, and a con…

@@micklumsden3956 Sadly you are a cultist (religions are massive cults), and in your comment said "does not make them false", which is to say all of them are true, and this is what cultists do when facing non cultists, when facing a member of another cult then it's a "my cult is the true cult, yours is a false one", a typical cultist way of wanting to sound rational and truthful by lumping all cults together, but failing to see that different cults have different false beliefs ..

I agree, religion is a money grab.

Of course this has always been a problem. What the atheists have to ask themselves is why do intelligent theists continue to believe in the light of this difficulty. No room for an answer other than to mention the idea of freedom and independence; if you allow independence there is a chance of evil/suffering. But if you use power to create “good” beings, with no freedom you have only created robots under your control.

Exactly:

If I tell you that satan is real you’ll laugh at me-you can’t understand Gods will if you mock him-God gave us free will and if he didn’t we would be nothing but robots without emotions-couldn’t make our own decisions-but now we can-he’s not going to go back on his word and turn us into robots-so some humans decided to cause wickedness in the world-but he will be back to punish the sinners-you think the world is bad now just wait when it becomes worse

We have free will and much of the evil in the world comes from the wrongful exercise of human free will. God doesn't stop people exercising their free will; that doesn't mean anything about God's power.

@@unbreakable7633 Humans don't have free will. Even the bible teaches this. But either way, this god favors the free will of the criminal and not the victim. Totally silly to believe that god gives us this gift of "free will" then punishes everyone, including the animals, for his decision.

Yes and IMO philosophy can't help you when it comes to belief or non-belief.

But they do need to be a philosopher to know why they reject them

@@user-nz8uy1zm3z no they don't. Most atheists aren't philosophers.

One can simply choose

Obey the gospel to go to heaven for eternity. Jesus Christ is the only true God.

Go and read his dying words on Google ... he did more than renounce that statement

That was his Bolshie Frenchman phase. Then he saw the light.

@@rafd3593 Exactly what light did Mr. Voltaire see?

@@kofidan9128 Dunning-Kruger keep talking Dunning-Kruger things... Pathetic.

​@@dorkception2012 the lost souls of the past did same with Jesus, saying things like "can anything good come from Nazareth?" You're repeating their mistake, and your soul will be lost too as a result.

“I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible.” - Arons friend - 🖖🏻

it's a reason to be undecided on the claim. Lack of evidence, by itself, is insufficient to reach an adverse conclusion.

Truth itself is a time based approximation that sometimes confirms and sometimes refutes.

It's really too bad Aron doesn't extend his critical thinking to politics. He suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrom) worse than almost anyone I've ever encountered. He is so focused on "look how bad the _other_ guy is", he is utterly and completely blind to how bad the Dumbo-rats are and how close to destroying the human race Uncle Joe "Genocide" Biden's administration has brought us (and continues to drive us to the brink).

@@GlossRabban -- Too bad that isn't even close to the truth.

Christianity is not a religion.

As a lifelong atheist I think there are two different kinds of religion. Organised religion is tool and power and control is its objectives. Then there is personal beliefs which may, but does not have to, be used for controlling others.

@@lawrence1318 Christianity is arguably the world's largest and most widesread religion.

The idea that Christianity is a religion is a misconception on the part of secular people. Christianity consists of a very real and personal relationship with the living Jesus Christ, via the Person of the Holy Spirit. A religion, on the other hand, consists of a superstitious blind belief in a deity without any personal connection to that deity, and commensurately entails adherence to certain rules and requirements. There are no rule or requirements in Christianity as it consists of a personal relationship with God, spontaneously led by the Holy Spirit. So it's simply not a religion and has nothing to do with religion. If you are unsure of what I am pointing out here, you'll need to read your New Testament, and in particular the Pauline epistles.

@@lawrence1318 You're quoting fairytales. Prime example of religion.....I rest my case.

Yes, that was the truth that set me free too. Belief in that stuff is for blockheads

@@danaknighte6820 Christianity is the truth. You simply had unanswered questions. Are you OK with the atheistic belief that your brain is an accident? Famed atheist-philosopher Thomas Nagel isn't. Darwin wasn't either.

Good for you. Religion is brainwashing. Once you get over that, you can see the bigger picture. Professor Singer is right in saying that religious belief is totally irrational. It can only succeed through fear and guilt.

After that you gave up thinking...

@@johnheaton5058 I gave up believing in the supernatural, if that's what you mean, and left the non-thinking to the believers.

Yup. Bad hymn.

@@johnheaton5058 No, you are not thinking - -

One day, you will either know the truth or you won't. Live today, die tomorrow.

Revelation 12:9 gives you the root cause. God is not ruling this world and it is your first ancestors that made that choice.

Insulting has a prize people pay when reality knocks on the door

@@lucdevries8732how can you prove that.

@@theinformationcenter1248 Exactly what is it that you want me to proof?

No better motivator than fear to keep them coming on Sundays and writing those checks.

That's just your own misunderstanding of the Bible

@@kofidan9128 Standard reply.

@@kofidan9128 And who says your understanding is the correct one?

@@kofidan9128 Or your warped, cherry-picked version.

9th grade seminary for me. Seminary teacher in his 60's married for like 40 years tells us that French kissing is wrong, and also gross because it's like licking the end of someone's stomach. My first thought as a budding teen was "there's no way after 40 years you haven't passionately tongued your wife." That was the beginning of my "these adults might be full of sht" deconstruction.

It's turtle excrement all the way down! lol. I'm sorry you went through that. I've read a few books about the Mormon/anti-Mormon forger/bomber/murderer Mark Hofmann, and I was horrified by the descriptions of the LDS church. It's no worse than any other corrupt religion, but it's corrupted in its own special way.

Surely “god” is the name given to whatever it is that is in-finite, and therefore outside the limitations of human cognition.

As God is all there is: Universal Consciousness, how can He come from something else? Religion, the definition of which. Is: ‘that to which we are bound’ is ultimately: Awareness. We cannot be unaware. Atheists cannot be unaware so whether they disbelieve or not is beside the point.

Dawkins is a master of confusion and is confused. He likely doesn’t know that human evolution was to a human prototype; fourteen versions to a uniquely human prototype in a universal cycle. He likely doesn’t know the origin of language which is a given; the original Indo European language was Sanskrit, whose alphabet was based on actual sounds. There is a lot these evolutionary biologists and sociobiologists do not know. They are profoundly ignorant, mired in the mid-nineteenth thinking of a materialistic age. Totally clueless.

It is not a novelty - I wish it was - they duped the majority of people to believe in nonsense - where money and power was involved - get lost religion.

Have you watched the documentary Bad Faith? This sh#t is scary!​@@DavidHarvey-po9le

@@arthuroldale-ki2ev the devil let you sail through life without God so you'd ignore him, which ultimately means you belong to the devil, because whoever isn't connected to Jesus is under Satan's authority. Read my "Evidence of God" in the comments to learn more. God is real. Christ saves.

@@kofidan9128amen brother 🙏🏼 In the almighty name of Jesus Christ ❤️‍🩹

It was a way of controlling people and stopping them from over throwing their kings, emperor's and the government those things.

Exactly.

No-one's thrown into hell. People choose their destination by their actions here on earth. A good honest life caring for others is a godly one.. even if you don't believe.

There is no hell, that is a false teaching, not a shred of truth to it! Your real issue is with FALSE religion, lies that are not what first century Christians were taught. The churches of Christendom have been preaching lies since the 4th century.

- we humans do not die. Instead we are reborn.

@@johnheaton5058 "No-one's thrown into hell. People choose their destination by their actions here on earth" Not true, the Bible states that one does not see heaven through deeds alone. All have sinned and fallen short, no one has kept the law perfectly, which is why Jesus was sacrificed. If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved, otherwise...Hell fire.

And he wouldn't be able to, because human existence is unique.

@@danstoica2824 Unique in what sense?

The universe isn't a being - it can't be indifferent.

@@johnheaton5058 So, what term would you use to describe an indifferent universe? Neutral? Has no interest? Couldn't care less? It just is? Can't be defined in human terms, so don't even try?

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Evil people use religion for their own evil purposes and it doesn’t have to be that way, you have free will you can choose to follow Jesus. Up to you !

And started many wars.

​@@Masterchief68Jesus is a fable. Religion is bullshit. Up to you to keep the blinders on. Go pay some tithing I guess.

@@user-bk4zq6lp5z The wars start through tensions over resources/land, religion is used as an excuse to start those wars.

@@user-bk4zq6lp5z because hitler and Stalin were real big on religion!

Listen to the expert in religion who never cracked the book open...what a genius 😂

There are many questions 'God' has no answer for except the overarching "have faith". However, you can have faith in God or you can have faith in science/man's knowledge that all questions will eventually be answered. But in-between The Question and The Answer religions and their leaders. priests and gurus can lead you astray, lead you to their ready prepackaged Answer, and away from the actual Answer.

⁠@@russellhamner5150feel better? You got in an insult, yet said nothing.

That's a lazy generalisation...

Not at all. Have you ever hung out with Buddhists, mystic Christians, shamanic peoples, Bhakti Hindu's, Kabalistic Jews, etc.? They are deeper thinkers than any atheist that I've ever met.

That simplistic thinking is what turns good people into bad actora

@@YassenChapkanov Give us your position then.

@@jasonkinzie8835 Human morality is complex and contradictory. Our values are relative to each other but we act as if they are absolute to us. Suffering is merely one possible priority. A person willing to cause suffering isn't necessarily evil because there are higher order possible goods such as personal development, wisdom, stability etc.

@@YassenChapkanov Fair enough. But are those possible goods you mentioned, (personal development, wisdom, stability), good in and of themselves or are they good because they lead to greater happiness and less suffering for all? And if they are good in and of themselves how should a moral person weigh them against happiness and the reduction of suffering?

@@J_Strong I am saving this quote. It’s incredible. My goal in life is to reduce as much harm as possible and increase wellbeing as much as possible. Thank you 😊

Maybe all of it depending on the religion (not all religions are equally evil).

Prof John Lennox was born into a catholic family in the era of extremism, was encouraged by his Christian parents to be literate, read communist books for example. He became a professor of Mathematics at Oxford University and a leading philosopher and Christian apologist who uses his head and his heart well. He is worth a listen to . Many good debates on youtube. Also Dr William Lane Craig, Enjoy.

You are absolutely correct. Nothing is eternal. Fact!

Ah but the Catholics have a private after-death club.

thats not true, plenty of out-of-body experience accounts post-death invalidate your claim

@@user-nz8uy1zm3zJust because someone says they had an out of body experience doesn’t make it scientifically true. Hallucinations are usually the cause.

@@user-nz8uy1zm3zHahaha

Smart 🍑

@@Salen0243 Lol

George Carlin does this 😂

@@crucifiddle people who can experience the supernatural, particularly the Christians, know for certain that the afterlife is real. It's all about the soul, which is the vehicle for experiencing the supernatural. Read my "Evidence of God" in the comments for more.

Read the descriptions of NDEs.....and think for a little while,if you can....!

Life after physical death does NOT necessarily equal religion. What animates your skin bag of organs & bones? Spirit/Soul doesn't equal religion, the religionists just cashed in on it. NDEs & my own past life experience convinced me of the soul/spirit but I'm not religious in any way. Universal Consciousness is way different from the Religionist's concepts of their Gods they've created in their own image. Regardless of our beliefs or lack of them we all are aware of our consciousness.

@@vloggingwithtony I am not religious either, but spiritual. And NDEs have nothing to do with God,at first,only with the spirit. Consciousness is still a mystery,even if we all have some part of it. Religion is derived from the Latin word " religio " which means " reconnecting to mans spiritual origin ". With or without God. In that sense,religion has to do with spirituality.But not necessarily with the concept of a God. See Buddhism for that....!

That's such a lazy generalisation....

@@johnheaton5058 But still on point with most of the cult.....

As if anyone could set their own psychological aspects aside.

It was a giant Worm that lived in a whole.

Only a 10 year old thinks anything that isn't satisfying must be untrue.

God didn't do it. I'm not satisfied with that explanation. Why? Because I'm not a teenager filled with angst anymore. Nothing can be proved, in regards to either stance but humans have always had religion since the dawn of humanity. I'd reject the type of hubris that says that we know God is or that God is not. Embrace uncertainty.

@@rft2001 That's an abdication of the responsibility of thinking. The burden of proof is on the side making the claim. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm open to the possibility; just bring me some evidence or get lost.

@@philblane5752 Yes, anyone who claims to know anything has the burden of proof on them. That is why I say to people who don't believe in a universal consciousness or gods or God that they are just as foolish as the orthodox. I always tell evangelical atheists to get lost (just the same as I would tell any evangelical) as those cats are so extreme. They bring no evidence of the non-existence anything outside their small senses and generally only have explored the realms of normal, everyday, waking consciousness. I'm glad to hear that you are more of an agnostic than an atheist.

also the fear of the unknown.

The fear of death is within us all as it is with all living creatures, it ensures we try hard to survive so that life carries on...if we had no fear of death our survival instincts would be gone along with the human race.

​@@malcolmstockbridge2569 Lemmings🫣

no they come from indoctronation.

And hell was invented when people realized that church leaders expected to set a righteous example were getting away with atrocities but getting away with it because of their church standing.

No silly, he used magic.

Repent! Jesus is coming! Obey the gospel to go to heaven.

​@@user-ws1pp2hg2j Bro your kind has been beating that dead horse for nearly 2000 years! Just how long does it take for jesus to pop out to grab a pack of menthols and a couple of 40oz'ers?

That “nothing” is simply a term for “we have no way of ever knowing what started this universe”.

@@theotherandrew5540 Who says the universe came from nothing? Genuine question, because I think this is a misunderstanding of the majority of the scientific communities position.

Don't forget about the T.V. evangelist's private jets.

Spirituality is personal but it is also relational.

Spirituality is a claim about reality, -that there is a spiritual realm. We all have subjective experiences. Either “spiritual” is bad language or it is a claim. If it is a claim, then it should have evidence. If it is a subjective, then it is irrelevant to the discussion and should call it that, not spiritual.

Religion put simply means to relate to oneself, others or to the divine. It's about consciously respecting what is sacred & the sanctity of life in ourselves, in others & the universe.....Singer is an idiot.

That's very cynical and a lazy generalisation...

Absolutely!!! Blatant hypocrisy!!!

I think many religions have the concept of 'the just war' so in that sense they are not breaking the 'rules of their faith'.

@@Sparfucile Thou shall not kill?

@@Sparfucile Yeah, You Must Not Kill says the 10 Commandments, but I've heard Military Christians when I was in the Navy say the original language means Murder & killing in a Just War isn't viewed as Murder. Then they point to all the wars in the Bible commanded by their God to justify their actions. Seems pretty hypocritical to me especially when Jesus said to Love Your Enemies & to turn the other cheek. Nowhere did Jesus justify killing others but instead emphasised having Love for all mankind. The Bible can be twisted to justify almost anything to suit human agenda.

@@vloggingwithtonyWar is legal murder. It’s still murder. Such hypocrisy.

"I believe in Spinoza's god." Albert Einstein

@@dennyworthington6641 "The word God for me is nothing more than a product of human weakness" ALBERT EINSTEIN.

@@dennyworthington6641 that's a bit like saying "god particle"... It's a way for explaining things to the common man in a simple fashion. It doesn't mean that the speaker believes in god and the bible.

@@CedarRoofsOnly Einstein was better off sticking with physics - something he actually had knowledge of.

Einstein spoke in ignorance. He lacked knowledge of the supernatural, which is a gift of God.

You used to be spiritually rich but physically poor. You switched over. You're still lacking!

@@kofidan9128 whatever...

@@kofidan9128 Please Explain spiritually rich He can be spiritually rich and not believe in a god

​@kofidan9128 you really think being delusional about sky daddy is better than not being crippled? Disgusting.

@@Karl-Benny knowledge of the supernatural. An atheist is spiritually dead, by which I mean an atheist has lost his spirit (think of a car without an engine). And as a result of this, he's cut off from the supernatural and hence from God. And that's the spiritual impoverishment; disconnection with God.

Argument from authority logical fallacy

""I regard consciousness as fundamental." That's a nice claim, that Planck has never proven. Just because you quote hypotheses of famous people, that still doesn't count as evidence, you know.

And he is wrong. He “considers” is not evidence at all, or science in any fashion. It is an opinion, based on… no one knows, and no one can test or check. So it is useless, unless you need to look for fodder to make you feel like you have support for your otherwise baseless opinion.

Hi Michael. Yes indeed. I'd say Max Plank was a fan of Rene Descartes of "I think therefore I am" fame. It's always impressed me too. The only thing any of us can prove exists, is our individual mind. And Descartes was a committed catholic! Doesn't pay to stereotype people, that's for sure. Cheers, P.R.

Consciousness needs a substrate.

Unfortunately, that`s part of the human condition & possibly (for obvious reasons) the fear of death & the need to survive. Instead of thinking it through rationally & along with the fear of suffering & nonexistence. I can think of nothing more terrible than living forever. Even if everything was just the way that you , I or anyone would like that existence to be it. After a million years & you haven`t even began yet, you would be searching desperately to end it. It would be insufferable.

Hi Steve. A truly moral God would punish you for NOT thinking for yourself. Not a punishment he'd need to deliver himself mind you, but simply your own ignorance resulting from your refusal to think. Cheers, P.R.

@@philliprobinson7724 If God exists, he is either ambivalent or a monster. Anyone who claims to know the will of God would need to prove how he or she can make that claim. Believe whatever you like. That is your business. Not mine.

@@steveflor9942 Hi Steve. I apologize for my ambiguous wording. I did not intend to criticize YOU personally for "refusing to think" or call YOU ignorant. I used the wrong pronoun. Words matter. What I meant to say was: "A truly moral God would punish US for NOT thinking for ourselves. Not a punishment he'd need to deliver himself mind you, but simply our own ignorance resulting from our refusal to think." I'm suggesting we redefine God, and not just accept the versions of him/her we've been given by the organized religions. I quite agree with you, the monster we've had rammed into our brains seems to resemble a Roman army drill sergeant knocking raw recruits into shape. Thank you for your civilized reply. Cheers, P.R. (the barbarian)

Take a listen to Prof. John Lennox, Dr Stephen Meyer, Dr William Lane Craig. Many Christians take seriously God's command to worship God with our MINDS as well as our heart, soul and strength. Many a nobel prize winner is a theist, usually Christian or Jew. Any self respecting, God respecting Christian should celebrate using his/her mind, and we do !!! That's why we believe in Christ.

@@stephenking4170 Fear is not a reason to live life on your knees. I am an Atheist and will be until I die.

So, you don't believe in radio waves and infrared light? Our five senses are very much limited. That where science comes in, showing us that there are things we cannot detect with our senses.

My default is to distrust "a priori" arguments (esp. for religion), but there's no question that mathematics and some deductions from pure reason work pretty damn well. This might be slightly off your topic, but I include brainpower as one of my senses, lol, since I was born without the sense of smell. Thank you, Rene, for a more salient comment than mine.

That's physicalism which is irrational

@@Rene_Voortwist at least it can explained by science.

​@duckling9854 Science is sometimes shown to be wrong and is junked in favor of a revised version. It's "explanations" are not trustworthy.

We are not “religious” by nature. Naive H. sapiens supposes Agents for observed phenomena: trees make the wind, gods make thunder. Invisible agents are the origins of gods. We feel emotions such as awe, fear, joy. We have delusions and visions: we are animals! Throw that into the cultural mix: you get religions. But we can reason our way into understanding. Analogy: H. sapiens has extremely violent emotions, as do other primates. Do we channel and restrict those socially, or do we just let them be expressed? Not even our cousins the primates tolerate too much violence. Instincts that can be channeled into religions can also be rationally understood, just as violent emotion can be controlled and channeled. We are not at the mercy of religions.

the two are not comparable

@@user-nz8uy1zm3zwhy?

There is actually far more evidence for Santa, Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. My 9 year old still believes in them all but doesnt see the point of God! 😂

But Santa isn’t really a sham is it? St Nicolaus (st claus) really did give out gifts for the needy and that evolved into the tradition we know now. Gods and other deities on the other hand are the work of people needing to control/punish/inject fear to toe the line in a lawless world.

​@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Good point. We can't compare things that don't exist

Very succinctly put! Please note that, while à huma-designed ethical code should produce inner contradictions and moral quandaries (and in practice does so), a divinely-ordained system should be easy to follow and never result in qualms or quandaries. Yet clearly, folks following the dictates of religion are faced with moral quandaries. Of course, you do get nutbars like W. L. Craig. He defends the massacre of innocent Canaanite children by the Israelites because they were commanded by Yahweh to do so. It doesn’t bother him in the least that we can’t be sure Yahweh exists, that we only have the Israelites’ word that the Canaanites were wicket, thatwe don’t have any record of how the Canaanites felt about the invading Israelites, nor what their god thought of matters. WLC “assumes” that Yahweh accepts the Canaanite children into heaven, so their horrible terrifying deaths are actually a good thing. Yahweh could have calmly ascended them into heaven instead of the horrific murder, but I guess the Israelites benefitted from killing children? Anyway, nut bars like WLC exist.

Morals are based upon relationships

No question that morality based on some rigid “divinely inspired” code is rigid, merciless, anti-social. Examples. Christian professor of Bible studies William Lane Craig defending genocide of Canaanites (using only one side’s account of the dispute), including the horrific, terrifying butchery of innocent children with edged weapons. Christian science parents allowing children to die agonizing deaths, refusing them medical care, even painkillers. Jehovahs Witnesses choosing death for children over transfusions. Moral codes all originated from cultural practices, and were later sanctified y religious mythology. The roots are in the instincts and emotions of the ape species H. sapiens. Culture refines them. Rational analysis can create law codes that are pretty fair. There will always be quandaries. We can hold two opposing opinions firmly. In practice, though, one has to give.

You can't have 'something' that is pitiless. For Christians God is Truth. If there is no 'objective' morality then everything is relative and meaningless..

@@johnheaton5058 I have to say, as an outsider, the arguments that if ethics are relative, not absolute, there are no ethics, or that if the universe, life and specifically human life has no creator, then it is meaningless, have never seemed convincing to me. I would like you to admit that the idea that your faith and god(s) is the only one of thousands invented over the last ten or so millennia to be “true” is unlikely. Much more likely is that it is one of the more successful faiths and gods ones, though I note in decline everywhere but Africa. The Christian religion is one that requires the faithful to believe in absurdly implausible events like the resurrection of two-day corpses. Both you and I depend daily on the second law of thermodynamics, and I can’t accept your suspending it when it is convenient to you.For then the Muslims, Buddhists, and John Frum-ists can suspend it at will also. You know the term, “God of the Gaps”: your moral arguments for god(s) might have carried more weight at one time, but as we learn more about the functioning of the human brain and mind, more about animal behaviour, it appears to the scientific and philosophical communities that a far more accurate and useful model of human ethical behaviour can be developed within materialism…methodological or metaphysical. Not surprisingly, materialism predicts that different societies will tend to agree on basic ethical principles. There are not huge differences between the Quran and the Bible, for example. All tribal societies, like the biblical Jews and christians and the 7th century muslims will have ethical positions we now find repulsive: we no longer condone slavery, subjugation of women, or divinely-commanded genocides. (Your Wesleyan-Arminian friend, Wm. Lane Craig, does defend mass genocide if commanded by one’s god. His bible doesn’t tell us what the victims felt about it, or whether their god felt they should be subjected to genocide. Suspicious!) Now, modern evangelical Christians are in a bit of a bind: they claim that the Bible is inerrant, but they care selective about what ethics too follow. Clearly, christians all revise, selectively, which means their ethics is not absolute. Materialism also predicts that societies will have differences, and also that people can be reasoned with to expand the sphere of ethical equality. So, whereas your OT has different rules for Jewish slaves and non-Jewish slaves, and the NT seems to accept slavery, in most cultures today slavery is discountenanced, and international organizations are trying to end indentured labour. The sphere of ethical concern has expanded to include both men and women of all “races”, and all sexual orientations II the most advanced societies. It includes many animals , even the planet itself. Because ethics systems have their foundation in our instinctive life, it is no wonder that our principles come into conflict: we have moral quandaries where it is not easy to decide. But the religious, supposedly following a divinely appointed ethics, have the same quandaries. That case of the 10 year old rape victim who had to travel to a different state to have an abortion after her home state outlawed all abortion is a case in point. I don’t think many Christians felt good about condemning an innocent raped child to carrying a pregnancy to term at risk to her life as well as the fetuses. Certainly GOP leaders like Noem were squirming, trying to avoid questions.

Believing in nothing is a fools errand.

Well, maybe not to the few corrupt preachers.

If you want proof of the Bible, read my "Evidence of God" in the comments.

I always like Zeus. He seemed to be the perfect embodiment of man (to include all the failings) in omnificent form.

There is only one God, although he goes by many names.

The natural world existed long before man created the superstition(s). The mystery itself is the doorway to all understanding. When superstition closes the door, then understanding will never be found.

So, Mark Haunert5029....WHICH do YOU THINK/BELIEVE came 1st.....The Universe, God, or the Bible? In the beginning, God, who somehow, in some esoteric way (NOT yet understood) magically managed to first create himself (Out of Absolutely Nothing) Took a quick look around, observed this 100% nothingness, then proceeded to create this entire Two Trillion Galaxy (Hubble Proven) universe.....in six days, of course, and with just the 'snap' of his fingers! (Possibly Invoking a prayer to an EVEN higher being/power) (This is posted as a fast approaching 84 year old lifetime astronomer and atheist. (Being raised in the Seventh Day Adventist community of Laurelwood, OR, in the mid 50's and then forced to attend SDA services aginst my will, tend to do that to a person!) BHE

That's not ironic at all.

Bible is a collection of myths. Holding the belief that the Bible is from God but in fact just a collection of folktales won’t help any of their arguments. Those apologists need to created so many arguments that never existed in the Bible, not from God, not divine knowledge at all, just for the sake of winning an argument, despite all the support evidence not supporting them at all. We have no measure on what “God” means because none of us is a god, we do not know what “almighty” means, we do not know what “perfection” means, and we do not have a free mind.

@@markhaunert5029 evidence of God comes in on many different levels: history, logic, experience, science, etc. Different apologists will use different methods

'I don't care if it's science or not science, I care if it's true or not true' Stephen Meyer

Hi Maxwell. A Christian philosopher called Soren Kierkegaard said he believed BECAUSE belief was irrational. I think he meant that belief was only resorted to when reason was unable to provide surety. Cheers, P.R.

@philliprobinson7724 As an artist, I'm well familiar with the irrational . A great artist makes the irrational and impossible seem realistic and possible, yet any good artist knows it is skill and knowledge that makes these things so. We all have imagination (faith). The artist has skills ( science).Good Philosophers have neither they are seekers .If he's very good, he never finds what he seeks .Thanks for the comment. I will look into kierkegaard .

@@maxwellmcdowell3744 Hi Maxwell. Interesting reply of yours. The written form of your kind of art is called science fiction or fantasy. I read one s.f. yarn years ago. It went something like this. A scientist bloke invents a time machine and goes back in time to kill his grandfather. Granddad wasn't a bad chap mind you, the bloke was a scientist you see and wanted to find out if he'd suddenly cease to exist once G.D. was no more. He did it like a proper scientific experiment, even killing a "control" subject before he gave Granddad the chop. (Mad scientist obviously, but let's carry on.) He hypothesized one of three things would happen. 1/ Nothing would happen because Grandma had been a naughty girl when young and G.D. wasn't his actual G.D.. His mother was genetically generous too. 2/ He'd come back slightly changed in appearance without G.D.'s genes because he still had enough genes from the unknown grandparent. 3/ he'd snuff out of existence with a loud "WHUMP" as the air rushed in to fill the gap where he'd been. He discounted this third possibility because it meant the future family photo albums also disappeared, along with his student loan records, birth certificate, passport and so on. Not very likely. From behind a bush he points the gun at granddad. "Sorry young chap", he says, "you're about to become a martyr for sc-----". He never heard the loud WHUMP. Good art is like a parable that makes you think. It doesn't end the thought process, it begins it. Keep up the good work. Cheers, P.R.

amen

You know I would bet they are working very hard to remove this definition from the dictionary as we speak.

@@watson5551 Why? Does it offend your sensitivities?

@@iitywybmad29 never confuse superstition with the supernatural. The latter is real, the former not.

@@kofidan9128 Would you like to prove the supernatural? I do not believe in it.

@@kofidan9128 No confusion here. I do not believe in the supernatural or spirits.

The laryngeal nerve in a fish and the same in the giraffe's neck. Great design! Wow!

@@jeanettemarkley7299 Look inside your desktop computer. Do all the wires take the shortest possible individual route? or are they bundled for strength, efficiency, flexibility, scalability of design? There are many claims of 'bad design' which turn out to be a lack of understanding of good design.

@@user-jb2om7cm8m You really can’t stand to look at the counter evidence to your claims, can you. The vagus nerve travels from the cervical spine, all the way down to the aorta and back to enervate the larynx. It follows this route because evolution adapted a nerve in a fish. We have the same number of vertebrae as a giraffe for the same reason: we evolved from a distant common ancestor. In the giraffe, the vagus nerve travels 18+ feet to achieve its goal. A robust design would have it travel 6 inches. Nature does not « design ». It adapts what ever is on the workshop table. It works by random mutations in a constantly changing environment that selects mindlessly.

​@@oldpossum57 Sure, & I have wiring that travels 18+ feet around my room right now to supply the outside wall. The fact that they don't take the shortest route right across the middle of the room- is evidence that there was no design, the wiring spontaneously appeared that way by accident? Likewise there are 12 pairs of nerves with different destinations from the central nervous system, the vagus splits off in various places, some go to regulate the heart - so they need to go there anyway. It's a lot more efficient and robust to bundle these nerves together, than re-route individual ones Same design principles can be seen in plumbing and highway design. Sure if I'm on a highway and want to go to Taco Bell- I'd prefer the off ramp to take me right there, but this is not 'bad design' you have to consider the efficiency of the system as a whole.

@@user-jb2om7cm8m Mumpsimus.

Who ever said they want to stop people believing things? Only religion does that. No one is fight for a law to stop people believing things. Why would you take a stand on something that doesn’t happen?

Agreed, but the problems always start when people deny their belief/ faith as such, and claim 'undeniable fact' or 'default truth' this can happen with any belief, religion and atheism.

@@user-jb2om7cm8m So it is harmful if you deny another's believe? I think that is woke (and harmful).

Ah, then ‘believe’ is all and no truth and facts exits. Remarkable.

@@user-lp6ng1mg7o An excellent reply illustrating the human condition. When confronted with ‘What you believe is simply that and nothing more’, the human brain responds with ‘Wait … what about truth and facts’? Exactly what humans have been struggling with since we developed language that allows us to communicate. Absolutely, we struggle with truth and facts. Unfortunately, we see things in different ways. We believe things differently. Be sure to question the truth and facts that have resulted in what you believe.

@@SeattleJohnR you should look up the word ‘know’.

@@user-lp6ng1mg7o Thank you for another reply. Yes, "know" and "believe" are English words often confused. What you think you know, is, of course, what you believe. Consider this: The first human to understand the sun did not move through our sky, but Earth spins, creating the appearance of sunrise and sunset, was Nicolaus Copernicus. His ideas were published in his work De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres) in 1543 CE. Suppose for a moment, you could have asked a human, in 1542 CE, 'What do you KNOW about how the sun moves through the sky? Answer: It comes up in the East, moves through the sky, and sets in West, creating sunrise and sunset. And do you KNOW that? Absolutely, it is obvious.' Of course, as we now KNOW, that was not TRUE (another word you’ve mentioned before.) I hope you will reply again and let me KNOW what you think. 😊

The purpose of life is to live it for yourself and for God. So that you're rich both naturally and supernaturally. If you want evidence of Christianity, find my "Evidence of God" in the comments. Ps: living for yourself also includes serving others. And living for God means worshiping him and contributing to his work

Would it have any purpose really, though? The universe experiences itself through consciousness and non-consciousness. There are more non-concious objects in the universe than there are conscious ones. That doesn't mean that there's no point to life; we live in the present, and that's all that matters. Humans haven't existed for more than 109 million days, and we've accomplished so much in that time.

Why should there BE a purpose ?

@MR_UNPREDICTABLE6995: Why does life have to have a purpose. Its just the random result of physics and chemistry.

My position is that I don’t have sufficient evidence to justify a belief in a god. Non of it is based in faith. (When i say faith i mean to believe in something without sufficient evidence to justify a belief).

@@fibonacimike4110 Well, if you define faith like that, I and many an educated or academic Christian does not have such baseless or blind faith either. In fact all scientific research is conducted on the basis of faith, faith in constancy of natural laws, faith in voluminous previous research results or research results of related disciplines. This is done as a matter of pragmatism, just as we do in everyday life. Prof John Lennox, Dr Stephen Meyer, Dr William Lane Craig and Dr Frank Turek are all decent academics whose explanations on this topic are readily accessible. Sometimes faith in a scientific theory may be justifiable on available evidence but with increasing evidence to the contrary, maintaining belief in such a theory becomes blind faith. It is my assessment that within the last couple of decades abiogenesis has shifted into this category due in part to advanced knowledge of the interdependent vast complexity of the "simplest" single celled organism but more so the knowledge that life is information and code based, and at extraordinarily complex levels. Abiogenesis had some justifiable traction in Darwin's day but not now. Much of the scientific community resisted the evidence of the universe having a beginning because it gave credence to the bible. We are wise to be more explorative and balanced or multidisciplinary in our life just as the early scientific founders were. The God given discipline of science has worked wonders for us in discovering the mechanics of nature. Ultimate origins and purpose necessarily involve broader disciplines than physical sciences.

the world is more like a sphere

@@user-lp6ng1mg7o LOL, true...

I doubt that the Gods of Rome and Greece had anything to do with good behavior.

Yes, it is quite simple. They have not experienced God in their life because it’s not real. People who have faith and religion are experiencing delusions and hallucinations based on religious teachings

Communist Russia tried this exact experiment for 70 years and they didn't kill faith in God, and the first thing that flourished with the fall of Soviet control was the mushrooming of thousands of churches and millions of believers. Furthermore your experiment wouldn't kill the religion of atheism. Solid philosophers make mince meat of both populist and classical Atheism arguments.

@stephenholmgren405: Agreed.....that's why religion is strongest in countries with poor levels of education.

Jajajajajaja keep making up your own Bible🤓🤣💀

@@PatrickBateman775 go and look....it's in there.... these bible fools are called sheep for a reason.....

@@PatrickBateman775 go and look.... religious mind-kontrol....

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Yeah that makes sense, I agree with you. Out of curiosity: what do you do with the person of Jesus?

Or is it knowable because it is us? Illusion of separation so that the universal force gets to experience itself and life in many forms.

Belief is "hope," but not fact.

@@chrisriley9182 Provide credible evidence would be a good place to start.

@@Grandpa_Boxer you want me to prove Jesus existed? If so, Could you please first prove that the emperor Nero existed

Woven into DNA 🤣 no, no, no! Indoctrination into a belief system is not in DNA , and who gave you permission to speak for me?

How does a person question a belief, they don't even recognize as such? That's why I don't believe in atheism.

which results in extreme anger and violence

@georgeblackley6028: Yes, because they're afraid to admit how wrong they've been all along.

Let’s see. There are some 3000 religions. Did you study all of them? A statistically random sample? Or (most likely) the one you grew up with? And studying it, did you ever note the completely implausible elements of it? You must admit, the second law of thermodynamics is pretty unshakeable, but the superstitious, credulous first century peasants* who told the stories gathered into your sacred story books claim on a regular basis that the second law is violated here there and everywhere. I think that there are a great many possible ways that those stories got recorded that do not require us to believe that space-time was violated *Please note that in reading the educated elites of first century Roman civilization, I find them superstitious and credulous as well.

So what is the evidence for naturalistic philosophy

@@RUSS-pj5mwevery piece of evidence in the world. Your cell phone, medicine, evolution, you know, everything.

A living hell no less

No-one condemned religious people more harshly than Christ.

@@kofidan9128 Yes I know. He's why I left the church. I never met a Christian who actually read the bible, only translations. They loved their devotionals! 🙃

@@gzayas08 you're lost without Christ, you just don't know. Read my "Evidence of God" in the comments, for the sake of your soul

Is that from Greek or Latin?

Can you imagine the idea of a Christian god holding up in a court case?

@@georgesimon1760 is there even circumstantial evidence? Most is hearsay

@@Creaserunner I haven't seen any evidence myself.

@@Creaserunner I "believe" it's from the Old English "geleafa" meaning " trust in God." It came into usage around the 12th century. ( Middle English between 1150 and 1500 AD )

Not really. We all have to accept the universe, even though we cannot apprehend its realities directly. Gods, on the other hand, are very, very expensive (actually, infinitely expensive) bits of theoretical kit. In fact, if a theory includes an omnigod as part of its machinery, then both (a) theory is infallible and (b) the theory has no explanatory power, as it cannot forbid any phenomenon from occurring if gods wish it. So the two situations are by no means equivalent. One theory has nothing to say about the Realm beyond the universe, but can explain some phenomena in the Universe. The other deistic/theistic theory tells you all about the Realm outside the universe and the nature of (unknowable?) gods, but has no meaning, and explains nothing.

It's the old chicken and egg problem. But what if a chicken could lay an egg that was an exact copy of the one it came from. In the exact same place, and at the exact same time (since the egg itself contains time, not the other way around). What would differentiate it from the original, can it be a copy and be the original at the same time?

Don't forget that he killed the dinosaurs (all dying in pain or worse) because of some twisted desire to create intelligent beings (humans)? 😂

Yes he is a loving God.

@WillyBluefield a 'loving' God that doesn't remove evil....has fallen angels attack and feed from our energy....yeah....very loving....isn't he.... God has no purpose....

@@volpeverde6441 Now you say that until you need him to help you.

@@danstoica2824 bastards never helped me in 60 years.....STOP with the GUILT PROGRAMMING....

Ever hear of the singularity?

@@myst4706 Yes, speaks of infinite power required for any physical thing to exist.

A Creator needs parents, grandparents, and ancestors since he has wives and a son. Your argument logically leads to infinite regression, which disproves your monotheist religion.

@@darlalathan6143 You gave an infinite regression. That’s why there has to be a Creation. There’s an infinite regression of more and more energy too which cannot be possible. That’s why the Creator has to be all powerful able to do anything.

@@JungleJargon And who created the creator of the creator of the creator...to infinity? How can one creator create the universe one lovely day out of the blue?

Has the sun ceased to exist because it's 2024? Truth, especially supernatural truth, doesn't change or disappear with time, unlike scientific facts. If anything, the discovery of more signs of intelligence such as DNA and the factory-like workings inside a cell should lead us to stronger belief in God. It's one thing to "choose" to be an atheist despite all the evidence of God. But at least have the courage to say that. Besides God and the supernatural are real, as I demonstrate in my "Evidence of God" in the comments. Change the comment settings on the video to "Newest" and then scroll down gently to find it. In fact I've just reposted it.

It is unbelievable really if you don't believe in a god. Why so? It is scientifically impossible that we are at this planet without guidance. A calculation of chance tells you. I would not accept silly lies if I were you.

You just put your fate and faith in pagan sorcery and demonic denial of the One Who created everything and will judge everyone.

I went to summer bible camp for the paintball and outdoors. I played along with the mandatory services. It was worth it. Modt of the people I know from camp are no longer religious as adults.

I agree and understand your comment. I attended Catholic grade school, which consisted of daily mass and religious teachings. During the summer break, we only had Sunday mass. Thank goodness! Absolutely nothing about the religion was fun or entertaining. It was a fearful, confusing, and disturbing time in my life. I think it's child abuse. The difference for me is that I will respect believers, but not their beliefs. My friends are Christians. I want to find atheist friends, though. These videos and comments are the closest I can come to that.

@@ComeJesusChrist No he`s done the exact opposite. Didn`t you read & understand what he wrote? Of course not, because you`re a fanatic & a bigot, because anyone that doesn`t believe the lunacy that you do, must be devil worshiper or something ridiculous like that. He doesn`t believe in sorcery & demons either. This is exactly the point he was making. Religion warps peoples minds & makes people susceptible to believing all kinds of nonsense.

Great comment & you should take pride in the fact that you have a good rational mind. Religion really does poison peoples minds.

​@@ComeJesusChrist how do you know...even if there is a god how do you know it is the one you worship. just bc a book says something doesn't mean it's true specially a 2000 year old book written by troglodytes.

@@ll0013ll While you question my source, you don’t seem to explain what your authority is to claim that death is “eternal after life”. My source, the Holy Bible that I accept to be the True Word of God clearly explains that death is not the end and there will be a final Judgement as described in Revelation. By the way, what do you base your presumed belief of the nonsensical heliocentric globe model of the universe? Have you actually read any book that you think prove that model? What about the ‘safe and effective’ medical interventions?

Death is also eternal before life. I was always something before I was born.

Life begins after death

@@kofidan9128 how do you know that?

You misunderstand faith. Without faith, life doesn't work. You speak of blind faith.

@@kofidan9128 My life works just fine without faith. It's not just religion; I have no faith in anything.

@@kofidan9128you are misusing words to fit you point. It is dishonest. No one compares the rational, reasonable faith (colloquially meant) or belief of knowing the sun will rise, with the irrational, no evidence faith that there is a god or that fairies heal boo boos. At least be honest with yourself.

​@kofidan9128 on the contrary, life is working fine for most in Australia without faith

_"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."_ *-Mark Twain*

You can disprove Christianity simply by ripping a child away from its Christian parents and having it indoctrinated into another religion like Buddhism. The child will grow up believing in Buddhism instead of Christianity. A cruel experiment perhaps, but it's the only way to prove to Christians that religion is indoctrination.

Why do 80 something percent of evangelical Christians support a rapist, a multiple convicted felon, and a moron who promises to be a DICTATOR on day one for president?

Sure

Truth is independent of debate. Honest discussion may prove helpful though

Dude, just list the evidence, and we will see if it is bad evidence or not. Then we will debate you if good. Good evidence speaks for itself. You have none, and your script may work on some who are not prepared, but you are just lying to yourself. So steelman Atheism and argue with your self. The believer must lose. Unless you abandon reason.