Unpopular opinion: i usually reject her. Reason? It feels like it should be a romance only gift. It feels too intimate for just friendship. Feels out of place.
@@edielungreen EXACTLY! I detest running through Overlord. "I’ve been counting…The number of days you lengthened my life..." is the reason I slog through.
One time when doing the Feros mission, I forgot to equip the gas to the grenades. I thought I was saving them as I lobbed grenade after grenade at them thinking I was helping. I was not...
Going to get Wrex's armor in ME1 but only after he dies on Virmire is pretty brutal. The journal is like well since Wrex is dead no one needs this anymore.
I'm surprised you don't have "failing to help Grissom Academy in ME3" on here. Seeing Jack on Cronos Station as a Cerberus Phantom is brutal, especially if you romanced her in ME2
Woah, never even considered that. I did romance Jack on my first (and only so far) playthrough and part of my acceptance of fate was how well adjusted she had become.
Lol I can just see your Shepard "OK we've got the gas bombs we can stun them" (throws bombs) Garrus: "Sheppard those wee the incendiary bombs!" Sheppard: "oh great another thing the council will bitch at me about"
I just realised at 11:29 you hear Kaidan scream but you can see him in the background with his mouth closed. 🤣🤣 Same with Ashley a few seconds earlier.
One of the most cursed decisions I’ve ever seen someone make was in a friend’s first play through, he sided with the geth on Rannoch effectively wiping out the quarians and making Tali kill herself, then he chose the destroy ending so the geth all died anyway 😭
In fairness I’d save the Geth over the Quarians too if I can’t make peace, the Geth were almost always innocent and the Quarians were the aggressors every time.
Peace is the best option for sure but if I had to choose I would choose the Quarians everytime. I hate how the games kept forcing me to feel sorry for the robots. At least my sympathy towards the Quarians feels natural and not forced.
Little renegade advice. You can kill a lot of colonists and get part of the renegade points. If you don’t kill too many everyone will talk as if you never killed anyone in the later games.
I sent David to grisam academy. And then when I went to rescue them and number three ran into him and he unlocked a security room and said to me guns lots of guns in there. There was a single gun in a single container and there was nothing else in that room I think a man who calculates pie in his head and can run through crazy numbers like a calculator would know the difference between lots of guns and one gun
The first time at that point, I knew the BioWare game translation was “maybe one or two guns” and thought that was pretty funny. Didn’t remember The Matrix well enough to get the reference. Either way, the free level-up on the Mattock is helpful at that point in the game 😸
EDIT: Getting Gianna Parasini (NOT Nassania Dantius) killed is like #11 for cursed decisions. So many options and you choose to rat her out. That's not Renegade, that's just being awful.
@@ScottishScrub No, if you help her, then she shows up in ME2. She's at the table just before the stairs to go talk to Liara the first time. She will give you a small mission to help her bust someone again.
To be fair, you obviously rat her out with the intent to try and get the garage pass from Anoleis. You don’t really have any reason to suspect that Anoleis would go straight into murder mode, you’d more likely think that he’ll relieve her of her duties and put her investigation to a halt prematurely.
You forgot one. Giving Veetor to Cerberus. Not only does it peeve off Tali, the poor guy is even more broken than he was after Freedom's Progress. I did it and felt so bad afterwards. Never again. And yeah I was running a Renegade Run.
That line about God not being with him was so good. Almost reminded me of Bud telling Bill that they deserve to die in Kill Bill 2. Amazing tidbits come from scumbag decisions, like killing wreck after he finds out about the genophage sabotage. Love this trilogy
Mordin's my favourite ME character but I'd argue Renegade Shepard does worse things. Shooting Mordin has at least some justification. Shepard may have believed both Salarian and Krogan aid would be needed to save Earth, so felt like he had no choice but to pull the trigger when Mordin refused allow the cure to be sabotaged. Don't get me wrong, it's a horrid thing to do, but there's at least a reason for it. I'd say Shepard's most pointlessly cruel act would be allowing Samara to shoot herself and then killing her daughters. There's absolutely no justification for it, it's psychopathic shit.
I remember loving Ashley as a romance option in Mass Effect 1 because of all of the things her and Shepherd had in common But I can't say no to Tali lol
One of the things I did, is after (accidentally) triggering the Ashley Romance in ME1, Romancing Tali in ME2, then bringing Ash abord the Dreadnought... well for one in the Hospital Ash approves, but in Dreadnought well its fun
@@TheMhalpern very much like some people in real life, you can't be nice to Ashley without her taking it as an erotic overture. I wonder how many people fell into that particular trap? On my first playthrough I kept telling her "let's be professional" and "now's not the time". Still ended up "romancing" her. On my most recent (2nd) playthrough, I was like "well, if I'm going to pay for it anyway..." And, if you aren't romancing Liara, then Ash and MShep wasting an afternoon in a bit of diversion before going off on a mission with little (in universe) chance of success/survival makes sense.
@@rhoetusochten4211 This isn't Ashley specific, all characters act like this, like you tell them 2-3 nice lines and they all go apeshit over you. Romance was bit more refined in ME2 and ME3, but in ME1 it kinda felt like afterthought tbh. Also, if you had Shadowbrooker dlc and read hacked emails, apparently Tali upgraded her suit with "nerve stimulator" (vibrator). I don't know why, but it always crack me up.
I always thought that taking Morinth's side over Samara was the most non-sensical in-character decision in the game. As horrible as they are, I can see some justification for most of the other decisions. e.g. not trusting the Krogans to remain peaceful (what happens if Wrex dies?), or handing David to Cerberus because you think the ends justify the means. However, with Morinth, there's just absolutely no reason to betray Samara. I really feel like the game originally had greater plans for the Ardat-Yakshi and Morinth, and had to cut a lot of it. The game already makes it clear that Ardat-Yakshi are born that way and it's not their fault. Yet they're still forced into solitary exile. They could have spent time developing Morinth into a more nuanced and less evil character while keeping Samara largely the same, but really emphasizing how Samara's unwavering and unyielding code makes her regard Morinth as absolute evil, even though Morinth doesn't really deserve death as punishment.
So what happens at the ardat yakshi monastery in me3 if you sided with morinth? I would expect some unique dialogue there as her sisters realise who came to save them.
@@hector_the_well_endowed nothing. She's Just not there, so few people gave a single crap about morinth that in three She gets a couple of emails and a default Banshee that would have spawned anyway named After her. And Considering, as OP Says, how nonsensical siding with her in the First Place Is? That's Fair enought, i Guess.
I have my own theory that if you accept Liaras Gift and she's also your lover, she gets pregnant from the interaction. It's a hope of mine cause it would be an awesome continuity to play as an Asari Shephard (probably looking for Commander Shephard) in the upcoming Mass Effect. If you didn't romance her specifically, you'd simply play as some other badass Alliance Soldier or Race looking for Shephard.
@@redse_ From a story standpoint I don't see it happening. We've yet to confirm if Shephard even lived from the aftermath. Sure there is the destroy ending that shows them breathing. But who knows what tf happend to to shep whether they lived or not. I just wanted to provide a way you could allow newcomers to join the fray by introducing a Shephard fanatic as well as bringing back old time fans by making Sheps decisions continue to have weight. And yes, I personally believe it should branch into shep having offspring. It'd make replayability of the original trilogy and the newcoming entries have that much more weight.
Interesting... does it take 2 willing and intentional partners? As far as I understand, it takes no physical contact, and you basically have "intercourse" each time an Asari does that "embrace eternity" thing. Liara very well *could* have a backup plan to her backup plan. ...a little extra "time capsule" for future generations.
@@rhoetusochten4211 I don't think it does. Especially cause the Asari use other species to encourage genetic variation. I mean, not to get dark, but it doesn't take 2 willing humans to breed. And there is no indication that you have to "embrace eternity" to breed. Liara even does it twice to Shephard just to understand the prothean visions in ME1. It seems to me at least, there just needs to be a unification of the mind and the willingness to merge those minds into an asari offspring. So like I said before, and part of me hopes, that an asari Shephard would make a kickass story start.
No matter how nice or evil your playthrough though, there's one choice we all make, and that's hitting the Renegade prompt right before finishing off Kai Leng. "That was for Thane, you son of a bitch."
@@Zyo117 I find it way more satisfying to destroy her verbally. If you beat her up, you look like an asshole. If you shred her arguments to pieces live on air, she looks like an asshole.
If Miranda survived till the Me3 , she does go to sanctuary and Spoiler warning Kai leng kills her too , so that quote is edited " that was for thane and miranda , you son of a bitch " I always choose that option too but kinda wished my shepard used biotics instead of a omni-blade especially since I mained her as a vanguard
@@Annik_Tenacious_Felis Kai Leng will only kill her if you dont warn her about his presence in the second or third conversation you have with her about her sister. If you warn her Miranda survives as she can fight him off during his assassination attempt.
This is really a "how to increasingly piss off Mass Effect paragon players" video. When you let Garrus say all the wrong things, after you hurt Liara and Javik like that....I think I'm having a stroke 😂
in the french version of ME2 there was a bug that made hugging tali almost impossible. the paragon interup 'would last like one seconde if no less so yeah it wasn't possible glad I switch to english on my second playthrough
My first play through of the trilogy Jack was the only one I ended up, interacting, with too. Makes sense for me though because I have a penchant irl for getting with psychopaths who are just as likely to kill me as they are to bang me. 😆
I went Femshep first playthrough and romance Garrus my first playthrough over, but for Female romance options Jack really was the only one that interests me, my first Mshep run I'm gonna romance her.
I love and hate this video so damn much because I can’t see myself rejecting ANY of these options 😂😂 Big Dan I salute you for doing these unspoken acts and digital war crimes
I always felt it so strange. Here I am, Shepard, spectre, mass murderer, in a heavy armor, loaded with at least 3 guns and a rocket launcher, but now I am hugging her and she has to feel comfort...
I didn’t realize there was another path towards Gavin Archer ending his life in ME 3! The only way I had seen was if David was at Grissom Academy, but you didn’t go there by the end of Act 1; David would’ve died by Cerberus forces - and then told Gavin that. This is great!
People already mentioned choosing geth and then destroy or getting Gianna Parasini killed on Noveria. I will add one more horrible decision: killing Falere on Ardat-yakshi monastery mission
Cheating on Liara (or anyone) is the worse to witness for me. But i think the biggest soab moves are the morinth and archer ones. About the genophage sabotage, I think it could be quite logical (depending on who's alive etc).
I totally get that. On my playthrough, Tali died in 2. So, when it came time to choose Geth or Quarian, I chose Geth. I don't think I could have done that were Tali alive. If she doesn't get a home, no Quarian does.
Krogans mentioned that they were planning to start new expansion and further wars. It wasn't best thing for galaxy recovering from Reaper atrocities. For me, totally cursed and messed up choice was letting Samara to commit suicide in Ardat Yakshi monastery and killing her daughter afterwards.
Presumably they only say this if Wreav is in charge. Still, even if Wrex leads them, putting the future of the entire Galaxy on him not changing his mind or just dying is kinda stupid. Same as reviving the rachni. Or creating our new overlords in the form of the united geth-quarian state. Wrex rotting in the swamp, rachni staying dead, grunt never leaving its glass can, geth in the recycling facility - that's da way :)
@@Duke.Of.Shostka And if the rest of the galaxy takes that view on humans...? The underground city showed that Krogan had culture at one time. Wrex and Bakara (Eve) have similar views to Shepard, and they are in charge of the Krogan now. When Wrex dies, Grunt takes over, and he was shaped by Shep. The Krogan will know the history of the genophage and the cure, and they will be brought up to not make the same mistakes. As Bakara said, "This gift will not be squandered". The Geth have no desire to rule over people. They only started fighting in the first place when the Quarians attacked in fear when the VI they created gained sentience and became AI. Then they fought back in self defense. They left some Quarians to survive. The Geth would be free of Reaper influence, and they would have individuality. They were programmed to cooperate with their creators. Some would probably continue to serve in that capacity, and some would probably choose to live as independent contractors or in a military capacity. Don't attack them, they won't attack you. The Quarians just want to rebuild their homeworld, they have never shown a desire to rule. The Rachni were indoctrinated by the Reapers when they went on the attack, otherwise they were a peaceful species that kept to itself. In fact, they may be almost extinct. You can't sentence a species or race to death because of something their ancestors did (especially under the influence of Reapers), or what you think their future generations may do. At least that's my Paragon Shepard's rationale.
@@jenx5870 Well, my renegade (read: sane/realistic) Jane "Casual Genocide" Shepard would certainly disagree. Why would other races see humans in the same way? We never threatened the galaxy, we even saved the Council :) And don't get me started on the whole underground city stuff. For two games genophage was treated a necessity, a measure to compensate for krogan abnormal birth rate outside their hostile native environment. Some underground pictures don't change that. They certainly haven't prevented krogan rebellions before. But suddenly three krogan individuals will fix everything. Wrex, Boka-boku and Grunt will magically reduce krogan fertility rate, pacify all the warlords and turn blood pack into a humanitarian (kroganitarian?) organization. I'm not saying the good outcome is impossible, I'm saying the risk of the bad outcome is too much and it's consequences are too dire. Much more reasonable would be to let the krogan know that the cure has failed, but we are working on a better version. Rebuild your society with this new hope, join the rest of the galaxy as equal partners, show us that you won't kill us all, and you'll get the cure. OR just choose the blue ending: you can do whatever you want, give a nuke to krogan, elect shifty looking cow as galactic president or whatever is considered to be the paragon choice of the day. Whatever happens, the new reaper peace keeping force will wack the perpetrators on the head. PS: it's a game, not actually advocating killing anyone, game mechanics can't reflect all nuances of real life choices.
@@jenx5870 Krogan had culture once, but then they went and nuked themselves. Wrex, Eve and maybe Grunnt might share Paragon Sheppard's values, but all it takes is one dissenting female to find a hiding place and start churning out an entire Krogan battalion a year. And eventually, the Krogan will be plunged into civil war.
I used like 2 or 3 gas grenade against the zombies things because I misread what the game wanted for me to do to them and I could only save like two groups of colonists and had to kill the rest. (I didn't know melee was nonlethal until it was too late) They still thanked me for saving the colonist tho, even though only 6 out of 16 were alive.....
I... I didn't even know that Steve could die, this never happened to me... Damn , this whole video was painful to watch. But I'm glad someone has the guts to do what I will never do.
I actually played through the Feros/Zhu's Hope missions in ME1 and accidentally killed all the colonists, lol. I did the missions late in the game so I didn't have alot of storage space, and I didn't realize that the Anti Thorian gas was a storable item, I thought it was story related and would be added anyway. Boy was I wrong. Those poor colonists.....
Awesome vid. I am playing through ME2 and missed the paragon interrupt for Tali. They made that window way too short. Also of note is that killing the rachni queen didn't make your list. Just burn the damn bugs :P
I'll never understand people who defend sabotaging the cure. Much of what I've read from them contradicts what's said in game or uses irl logic only when it helps them.
Because it amused us. Then again, we were molded by KOTOR 1&2. If you REALLY want to destroy a companion's mind and soul, I don't think anything will ever top it off.
My renegade playthrough was one of the best playthroughs I ever did, but there were some choices that were a little harsh. There's a salarian dying on the Thane recruitment mission that I just can't let him die... it's only 1 unit of medigel.
On my legendary edition playthrough I was paragon and supporting the genophage and best friends with mordin the whole time and then in the last scene I went full renegade with the intent of going all the way to the final trigger pull and ignoring it. I just thought it would be funny to see.
To save Mordin, you have to kill Wrex in 1. Destroy the research in 2, thus killing the subjects and, of course, convincing him to sabotage the cure in 3. Main argument being that the krigans are brutal and there is no leader looking to work with the other races
Playing Shepherd like this implies that as a character he thinks that the Salarians are worth screwing over the Krogan and despite doing whatever is needed he just can’t get himself to kill a friend Powerful character arc
When you were talking about rejecting Liara's gift I didn't, as someone who just found your channel, know that was you on screen and was just thinking "what a jackass." 🤣
One thing I wish about Mass Effect is that more of the choices were "no right answer" decisions like the Witcher 3 gives. Like Virmire is. Bioware wants you to feel the weight of big decisions. But typically, they weight the scale so that the "good" choice gives you game karma in the end. Which, imho, puts a big thumb on the scale. Gotta say, given Wreav's ambitions, if he's in charge, sabotaging the cure is probably the right thing to do for the Galaxy.
Given that you can only play the citadel dlc before you start the mission where you takedown Cerberus you probably wouldnt cause any danger to their relationship at all. Because you meet them only when you start that mission and trigger pretty much the last parts of the game. In my headcanon Garrus realized after meeting that Turian that he actually likes Tali and went on to confess to her, making this scene where Shepard can interrupt them much more sweet.
@@axelnilsson5124 I see your point, but I'd say yes and no. There is development if you take both o some missions in 2 and other moments in 3 where they talk over comm when wondering the ship. It's small perhaps but I think it was enough for the game.
@@Hifuutorian Well she said I was special and I could survive. I defeated the reapers and had max persuasion skills so I agreed. Ouch, talk about pride before the fall
Will you create a tier list of squadmates (+ idk, maybe villians like saren) but on side of their "power" like liara biotics and shadow broker contacts> james combat skills?
Happy N7 day commander I should go 😉 great channel keep it up and god speed. I’m re playing Andromeda as it’s been so long and still doing a fem shep legendary edition play through 🎉🎉🎉 😃
My most recent playthrough of 1, in a sleep deprived state I forgot to unequip some explosive ammo on Wrex during Feros, and didn't realise until the end and all the renegade points popped up
If there's one thing that I think is truly cursed in the LE, it's the fact that certain sounds, like background gunfire during cutscenes, aren't heard at all. Such inattention to details just irk me a lot, and thus need patches. Also, glorious N7 day! (And also the dumb Bolshevik Revolution anniversary.)
I just finished playing through the whole trilogy the other day, I had no idea cortez had a subplot. He died in my playthrough. Kind of glad it played out like that, I got everbody through the suicide mission so I only had a few characters die. Don’t think the story would be as good if you could save everyone.
Ok not to self, help Garrus, hug adorable Tali, don't cheat on Liara, kill the Feros colonists, and don't sabatoge Genopphage cure. Oh and help COrtex with his issues, danm that last one is brutal.
Killing Cortez it's a must, one of the most funny reactions from the Virmire survivor! Oh, I always return David when playing renegade. As Shep says in me1, "you shoot me, you are dead" 😂😂😂
The Salarians can go cry about it I'm trying to save the GALAXY and they are out here complaining about not wanting to help the Krogen so we can win the Reaper war. Expecting you to kill two of the best characters from your squad? Nah bro fight the Reapers yourselves if you don't want to help
There are two decisions that are really going to put my eventual evil playthrough in jeopardy. Leaving David with Cerberus because I am holding back tears and just wanna cry during that whole dlc due to being horrified at that poor guy. And…oh god…sabotaging the Genophage cure and having to kill…Wrex. I saw the scene, where Wrex finds out that you faked the cure. And up until that point he is so jolly and speaks so good of you. It really made me feel like we were close. But Damnit…that scene never fails to tear me up.
Yeah, in ME2 is so many options to romance... but not for lesbian femShep. You have equally ZERO options. Kelly isn't a romance option, if you want to confront me in some way - in all three games you have some intimacy time with your "partner" before final mission, and with Kelly you have... um, she can come to your room and dance. After final mission. And no achievement is gained too.
