7:10 "Unless you're just out there blind, and deaf, and just whacking it and just having a good ole time cause you're black out drunk..." LOL That had me in the floor Nick!!!
LOL I try to joke about it, but true story. I work at Cabot and it would absolutely blow your mind how many people come through on the daily and get so black out drunk that they are flipping carts and passing out in the fairways. It's insane to me.
Nick, started playing golf this season and broke 100 with the zip from your recommendation. Waiting patiently for your work on its replacement. Thanks for all the hard work!
When I saw that Todays Golfer video I knew you would dig it as it backed your claims. I don't know what differs between them and MGS but it's clear there is a deviation of data where one data set appears to favor the big OEM balls. I also liked they included SEED which is more accessible over seas.
Yeah 100%. I really hope one day they'll include more of the directed consumer lineup as well. Would have love to seen golf balls such as legato, and other big names we've tested this year on there also
MGS is great, but they don't give reviews based on actual ball performance; they only evaluate balls in regard to quality metrics (weight, concentricity, compression, etc.) So, MGS gives valuable info. about SOME of the characteristics of a ball, but not spin, distance and forgiveness data like we know and love on this channel.
I finally broke 100 with a Precept Laddie! It’s nice to watch the pros and see what they use, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to do what they do. Thank you for keeping the average joes informed of what we need to do to get better!
I am absolutely thrilled about this testing and that it lines up with what you've been doing. Keep up the good work and keep pouring pressure on Titleist!
Good to see that your views and opinions for us average golfers is backed up by a golf ball test by a major player using a consistent swing robot. Thanks Nick.
You are spot on sir. I'm a 15 HC and my contact compared to a "robotic swing" is, well, not even close. Your methodology of players finding the ball that performs best for you, at a price point that makes sense (not one that the robot loves! 🙂) is the answer..... I've been playing Maxfli Tours for a year now and that might be the longest relationship I've ever had with a golf ball I had "several dates" before I "married the Maxfli Tour" and I'd wager every player would benefit from that exercise. Keep em' coming'!
My friend always played erc soft. He played well with them too. He played his 2nd round with MaxFli Tour. His bal started checking up, had 7 or 8 birdie chances, made 2 of them, and ended up with an 80. That ball is legit. I have played that ball myself. Great everywhere. I felt really good and performed well. I completely understand the attraction.
Oh my!! You were spot on about the vice pro plus ball..I feel like it’s a more forgiving Pro v1x. Played today and shot +1 on 18 holes. I loved the height I got on all clubs and how forgiving it was when I felt I caught it heavy a couple times or pulled it etc. Found my new favorite ball thanks to your recommendation!
Thank you as always. I really appreciate you always commenting and watching. I'm in the same boat as you. I've been using it as my gamer ball on majority of course. I absolutely love it
So glad much of your findings are confirmed by the robot! I wish the companies who have access to the robots would do more to give off-center strike data, since it's SO IMPORTANT...but like you said, most folks don't know how much off-center strikes truly affect a ball. Maybe some day the marketing folks will see the light, request that the balls be moved a half inch, collect THAT data, and start to make selling points of what is TRULY most important...how a ball performs for most golfers!
Yeah 100%. What's really weird is that I have people who argue that it doesn't even exist. It became quite apparent during that overrated video that a lot of people just plain don't think the golf ball can forgive you. They think that either you're really good at golf or you're really bad at golf, which isn't totally untrue, but you can definitely get help with some forgiving clubs and a forgiving ball
@@GolfBallAddictI'm relatively new to the game and play with several guys who are scratch to +6...and none of them know anything about golf balls. I mean zero. I've helped all of them (with the help of your data and how to evaluate a ball) to find out how good the Vice balls are and that the ProV1 is good, but not the holy grail of golf balls they've been lead to believe. They weren't very happy to hear about 2024s Srixon and Callaway screwing up their urethane balls, either. Better to find out now before loading up on $60/dozen golf balls. The truth is out there!
But wouldn’t how a golf ball reacts on a mishit change depending upon the loft of the club used, the type of club (eg; driver, hollow headed iron, forged blade and even putter)? Not to mention delivery parameters. There are just so many “what if” scenarios that the testing would be so convoluted it wouldn’t help. Cool Clubs do robot club reviews using Pro V1 RCT balls. The videos are interesting and helpful to point you in the right direction but human testing is the only way to see if the robot performance outcomes translate over to a human tester.
@@noodle3872I think giving people a basic idea of how a ball would react to a mis-hit would be very valuable by providing a baseline of forgiveness. People aren't even having the conversation about forgiveness because many don't understand it's even a factor in ball performance.
@@GolfBallAddict That test doesn't take short-game spin into account, however. Meaning like chipping / pitching. The Pro V1 very well could offer more short game control compared to these balls that match it in longer distance clubs. (not trying to shill the for Pro V1, I personally don't play it, I use the Triad, but still have to remember the short game there could be a difference).
@@enzy6434I play the Vice pro and it’s great around the greens! I can get it to stop quickly and even spin back! I previously played the pro v1 but couldn’t stand the cost.
Just getting back into golf, my dad who plays a lot and every person I’ve ever played with is a ProV1 guy. I bought the Wilson Zip, got my first eagle and can break 90 most rounds now. So I’ve bought several more zips and 1 box of vice pro to possibly upgrade to thanks to this information and so happy I found it.
@@GolfBallAddict I will for sure! I do love data after all lol. Your videos are the reason I first discovered Vice and Wilson. Now, between the playing I’ve done with them and with the added data of last year’s and this year’s robot test videos, I now feel confident that the Wilson Triad and Vice Pro Plus that I’ve been gaming are excellent choices! This newest data makes me want to try the Vice Pro now as well, especially if there’s the chance for a bit more forgiveness. It’s that reason that keeps me away from the Wilson Staff Model for right now. The extra forgiveness of the Triad goes a LONG way. The only other ones I want to try now are the Maxfli Tour and X, and the PXG. The $40 a dozen market is well saturated but luckily, with excellent products!
Dittos to you on Wilson. I've played the Triad for a year and really like them even though I'm a pretty average golfer. Ordered the 24 pack of Zips ($25) on Amazon after hearing you talk about them and played first 9 holes today with them. Feel super soft and perform very well. I don't know anyone playing Wilson balls. I think they're missing out. Going to try the Vice and Maxfli next. Thanks for all the great info. Love your channel.
Hey Nick, you nailed it on this video!! Sticking to the facts is absolutely refreshing. I'm glad that your findings corroborated your previous ones and now it is settled. Great job!!
Thanks for the video. I was not aware of this study. I’ll be trying out the Wilson staff model x and hopefully see some of the gains the study showed vs the ProV1
I just ordered some of the Wilson staff. I am super excited to try it to see if I can replicate the results. I've always been a big Wilson fan. They're previous models I think we're number 20 on my top 100 list
I saw the Todays Golfer video a few days ago. I agree with you it was very good, and the robot results are very important as part of reviewing golf balls. However I did leave a comment with them which they responded to, regarding their comments about DTC balls versus premium. Basically they said that all the DTC balls relate themselves to the PRO V1 and say that they are as good at a lower price. TG stated that as their tests showed the PRO V1 marginally outperforming in some aspects, be it wedge spin or driver distance, then the PRO V1 is better and if you want that performance then spend your cash on them. I commented that as any differences between the PRO V1 and any of the DTC balls was marginal using a robot, then 80% of golfers would not see any performance difference and therefore spend your money there instead. We are still debating.
It really makes me wonder why they're so invested in the pro v one. I mean their own test proves that direct to consumer balls can outperform it in every way possible. Then when the results come in, they still want to say the Pro V1 is king. They aren't the only ones to do this. I just don't get it. The only reason I can come up with is that they're paid, which I don't want to assume because that's attacking ones reputation and character, but what else could it be?
@@GolfBallAddict I think it is that they are stuck with the 'No 1 in Golf' narrative and find it difficult to move on. As you say their own results show the Pro V as middle of the pack but that is not what they allude to in the summary. Also, he says at the end that DTC balls MUST be bought in bulk to make any sense, but they are usually cheaper anyway. Buying in bulk is a great option to have but is not a deal breaker. They have not responded to my latest comments but I will let you know if they come back with anything pertinent.
99.9% of your information is absolute truth and I agree with you!! Your information has been proven!! Well done brother!! I love OnCore and vice. I will not play titleist
AMEN!! Every ball I have tried from Nick's recommendations was pretty much exactly what he said. I thought he was a bit off talking about forgiveness of a golf ball, but mishits on the triad showed he was right. His passion shows through
Super glad people pointed this out to you! when I saw your short yesterday I went straight to google to look this up. Really great stuff, and loved that you had a breakdown of all of their stuff not just from this year, but last year as well. Super glad Wilson got the showing they did to back up what you have been saying, and Props to Vice! I have found and played quite a few of the Vice Pros and love them. I play the Legato (wish it would have gotten tested!) but i do really enjoy the Vice balls when i do use one. I'll have to try out the PXG golf ball at some point, i have a set of their gen 3 Ps and love them.
Appreciate the love and the feedback. Overall I thought their test was a really big success and I think it adds a lot of data and perception to what we do here.
I play the Vice Tour because I find it gives me enough spin without the unforgiving errant shots I see with urethane when I mishit. Firm enough for my swing speed (115-118 driver) and a great value at $22/dz in bulk.
I have zero problem playing a Vice Pro Plus. Just walked 9 and shot -2 with a shade orange/yellow. Had 3 other putts at more birdies. Same for Maxfli Tour. Have several still from buy 2 deals so have not tried X or S model. Maybe S when Fall sets in and its 45 degrees out. Note: Just as I mentioned a few weeks ago, if someone wants to spend $50 on balls, spend a little more and get twice the Vice or Maxfli, if you want a tour feel ball.
You mentioned that you were working on a spreadsheet. Will you be publishing your results? I couldn’t find these rankings that you showed on this video. Thanks. Great Job! God bless!
I feel like Vice, especially Vice Pro, is kind of the Pro V1 of the direct to consumer market. They are definitely the most well known. No one bats an eye when I'm playing with a Vice but if I have a Legato, Oncore, Snell, or even Cut golf ball, people usually ask me about it. They set the market in terms of pricing for DTC balls. As they have gone up, the other balls have crept up a little too but like the Pro V1, none of the competitors have gone higher than the Vice Pro. I think about the Legato Ball (which I haven't tried) but you tested well and it is now 25% less than the Vice Pro and the same thing for the Cut DC. All this to say, Vice seems like they are making great balls and are the king of DTC now. I wonder if they'll do like Prov1 and 1) all the DTC balls will be tested against them as their price keeps rising and 2) they'll starting being known as the over hyped DTC ball.
100%. Great take. I firmly believed and still do the device has been direct to consumer King for about 3 to 4 years now. They used incredible marketing techniques to get in with the young crowd, then once that was secured, they focused on making their golf balls better and better for everyone else. Now they continue to release amazing merch, and now they also have clubs. They've truly built an empire over the last 4 years
@@GolfBallAddict I wonder what happened to Cut Golf. They seemed like they were the clear cut second DTC brand then they their marketing disappeared for a year or two, or maybe three. I know there were a lot of complaints about their cover on either their Grey or Blue model their Red was great and their balls were solid, minus the cover issue. I used a Cut grey the other day and had not issues.
Hi Nick, based on your recommendation, just ordered 2 dozen of the Vice Pro Air. I waited until the desired red/black drip ball was back in stock. I was a faithful Snell supporter but decided to try Vice based on your videos. I’m anxious to play them. All the best.
Thank you very much for being a follower and watching and commenting. Means a lot! :-) Please let me know any feedback when you play them. I really been enjoying the air this year especially on shorter courses when I need feel and spin versus distance
Thanks Nick. Very good stuff as always. "seed" golf balls intrigue me as well as "vice". My swing is 85-90 mph and pretty inconsistent as far as hitting them straight. I realized recently also that I'm struggling hitting the ball in the middle. I started to look at my club face after every drive and found out I'm all over the place. That's what I need to work on most right now. When I get the chance to try something different I'll be sure to let you know what I think. Keep up your great reviews we all appreciate it.
Greetings Nick, I was shocked to read the somewhat negative review of the Vice Pro Air from Today's Golfer robotic test. It's true the Pro Air has the least amount of spin of the Vice Pro family. But, I've played the Pro Air and love the it's drop and stop ability. And they check up very well for me. I agree with your review and assessment of the Pro Air as one of the top choices for the 90 mph or less crowd.
I would have to agree with you. I was shocked as well when I saw the low spin numbers. I have been playing with the air for the last couple months on shorter courses when I go and I've had nothing but success when it comes to stopping the ball on a dime. Not sure what happened with their test but it could have been the clubs they were playing
Of all the balls tested I was surprised the Snell 3.0 and 4.0 tested so mid. Didn’t think the ProV1 would do as bad as it did but I was VERY surprised Snell 2.0 did that well. Preaching to the choir with this vid but I love it man keep up the great work brotha 😎
Yeah not very great test from them. But honestly with the factory they're coming from it doesn't surprise me. Every golf ball you get from them is like a lottery ticket
Snell continues to struggle. Such a shame. The MTB-Black is amazing and COVID just killed Snell's ability to make that ball. I haven't liked any of their balls nearly as much as the CAST urethane MTB-Black.
Nick, I was surprised how much the editor panned the Vice Pro Air, yet how well the ball placed overall. As you have often stated and I agree, the 'forgiveness' of a ball when not hit pure (which is most of the time, by all of us watching your channel) is an important factor not considered in this testing. I was wondering how you might account for the significant difference between the wedge spin in this test for the Pro Air compared to your significantly higher wedge spin results?
Great question! That was something I noticed immediately. I was definitely shocked when I saw those numbers considering how much spin I received. So their numbers are definitely accurate. Their using gc quad. So I can't deny that. My only wonder is about the type of irons. They were using ping blueprint blades, where as I use thicker game improvement. Other than that, maybe swing path and attack angle? It's possible the ball reacts differently depending on those factors. I will tell you one thing though, I don't doubt the spin. I have been playing with it for two months and get great spin consistently
I have been evangelizing the Vice Pro for a long time. It is worth 5 shots per round for me. Congrats on getting your research validated. You must be excited. I have a theory--I think the Vice and Maxfli lines are the same ball with a different label.
@@GolfBallAddict Research...you are right again. Maxfli golf balls are made in Taiwan by Foremost, a reputable Asian factory that also produces balls for Wilson, Vice, and OnCore. Foremost uses TaylorMade patents to make Maxfli balls, and they are the only Maxfli balls that are CG balanced. The 2023 Maxfli Tour is a three-piece ball with a 318-dimple urethane cover, which is the same dimple pattern found on many other golf balls made in Taiwan by Foremost.
I feel the firmer balls are kind of a percentage based as the faster you swing you can eek a little more "forgivness" out of them on miss huts but you do notice them. Don't know why Bridgestone is the only brand even back when I was swinging 118 to now at 110 I still don't fell I get everything out of then. Ball speeds I find are around 140. I hit a tp5x and get 155.i know reaching back on this one but taylormade after the first/second generation of the penta they came out with the tp3 as well as wilson came out with the fg tour. That was my ah ha moment on companies were pushing the pro v1 out. As far as tour play goes my guess the pro v1 being money based it really has not changed much in 30 years. So maybe consistently of the ball just means no matter what generation it's basic the same ball. I can agree with the srixon thing after the trispeed went away it feels it's decided hard with slow speeds on soft feel and maybe the q star but the rest preform better with 100+ swing speeds. I am seeing on Instagram a new box for the z stars from Japan and curious on the changes. As a faster swing speed I found returning and trying to find a ball that can handle being smashed so hard without being a firm tour ball or punishing like the warbird was very hard as that middle tier and ground does not exist as it did 14 years ago.
Been playing the TP5 for several years thinking it was the best ball I ever played. Not really sure why I was thinking this except for feel around the greens. Several months ago I found one of the Vice Pro splatter golf balls at my local course and decided to hit it. I ended up playing about 6 holes with it and immediately went to target and bought a dozen. I am blown away by the way the ball performs in every aspect. I cant really say I am getting more distance but I can attest its more accurate for my swing. Mis hits still travel about the same and it chips and putts great. It just performs period. The robot agrees.
That's awesome. I like the idea of the tp5 and I love the designs but it's just so firm at five layers. I've had so much issues with forgiveness on tmiss hits
And.... I'm back!! Your channel showed me you don't need to spend $55/dozen for golf balls. My ball of choice is still CUT BLUE!! $20 for a 4pc Urethane cover that launches high, spins low, but still stops about a prov1. Straighter, longvenough, and FORGIVING. BEST!!
Hey that's awesome. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch my reviews and spend time on the channel. Means the world to me. You should have five I do love the cut golf balls. Getting ready to do a retest on all of them right now probably in the next couple weeks
When I found that brand/model about four years ago, I was in love. What a great ball for the money. Then I saw how easy they tear up. Just ridiculous. Tried them again maybe 18 months ago. Same result. Loved them, but they really tear up fast. It’s. It like I’m using one for a long time either. I still lose way more balls that I would like to.
100% right on the tour ball sales. My contact says provs are still selling but the other brands trying to get $55/dozen are not selling. It’s crazy to pay that much for balls. My retailer now sells vice.
Great top 10 Nick. I was never a Titleist player even when I could hit it 275 average. Prior to now Srixon was what I used. No more strictly DTC balls. My 3 piece balls are Vice Air and trying Maxfli Tour S soon. My 2 piece for windier days are the Zip and maybe try Snell 2.0. Also gonna try the Supersoft Max just because heard great stuff.
Nick after our conversation the other day on your live video, I went and played a scramble with my brother. Didn’t have time to get a new ball but had some maxfli tours from last year. We shot -9. Played the maxfli almost exclusively. Switched in the tour response occasionally. Both performed great. Not entirely sure what my driver swing speed is but was averaging 290 off the tee total distance. Conditions were dry and firm so that helped too. May need to look into the 2024 offerings from maxfli for sure now
Just took a look at all your videos on the maxfli line this year. Without actually hitting them myself, I may have to pass. Low launch and low spin is a no go for me. Ball will knuckle and fall out of the air. I’ll either continue to play last years model or find something that meets what I need
Love the energy in this! Nice 2 have some data 2 back it up 2😉Btw i been mixing between 43 different swings and 194 balls this season lol..Key is now to decide and stick with it! So just got 2 dozen chrome tour trutrack and 🤞 its more durable this time..Bc i love the feel and the ball is eye candy🤩😇
Thank you very much. At first I was a little nervous and maybe I put a little too much energy into it. But going back and watching it I liked how it turned out. Please let me know what you end up deciding. Here's hoping you find the one 😎🙏⛳
You hit the nail on the head in that 90% of us are recreational golfers. And speaking for us seniors, MOST of us stay to see diminished swing speed starting in our 60’s. And MOST of us had busy lives prior to this plateau in life that didn’t include 50-100 rounds of golf a year. Soooo, an honest average golfer needs to asks themselves, do I really need to be spending $55 for a dozen golf balls? And your Channel tells -- NO!
Yeah for sure. Before I started the channel, I felt so much pressure that I had to use a top-tier golf ball or I was missing out. I can remember saving up just to buy TP5s and then throwing an absolute fit every time I would lose one. That's just no way to play golf.
I personally would go with vice just because I think their golf balls as a collection whole are a little better. Although I don't think you can go wrong either way.
Driver TOTAL DISTANCE was strangely left off the charts from Today’s Golfers robot test. They had initial ball speed, launch angle, peak height, spin, descent angle, carry distance, and then they didn’t bother to list the total distance numbers. Why? Why? That monitor certainly calculated the probable roll out from the descent angle, peak height, and spin. The cheaper two piece balls mostly had lower spin, lower peak height, and shallower descent angle on the driver, and would have certainly closed a good portion of the carry distance gap with longer rollout as compared to the higher flying, higher spinning, and steeper descent of the urethane three, four and five piece golf balls. I don’t know, but would a few of the two piece balls been just as long off the driver or even longer? I don’t know, because I didn’t do the robot testing, but Today’s Golfer did, and they didn’t give us this significant piece of driver distance information. Yep, sometimes my course and yours is swamped with rain and there isn’t any roll out with the driver when it is well struck, but that’s not the case on most days at most golf courses. Come on Today’s Golfer, give us all the driver data, including total distance, not just carry distance.
Id be lying if I didn't acknowledge that that thought cross my mind many times. I'm sure they just didn't trust the guesstimation from the monitor. But I agree 100 percent. A lot of those two piece balls spun ridiculously low. I think the rollout would have been real close
This is great! It’s like there is a revolution going on in the golf ball world right now. We are in such a data driven world now, that it’s hard to argue against it!
I played the new 2024 chromesoft, chrone tour, chrome tour x. Chronesoft did something to their ball. Chrome tour x stops better and goes further than the prov1x, and the chrome tour doesn't hold greens, so... callaway was short lived for me.
Sticking to the same ball is fine till the company replaces it with a newer model which changes its characteristics in some way. I may have to stock up on the Wilson Zip while they are still available.
That's a very good point. I think that's probably why in the article the author specifically mentions sticking to a golf ball for a season. There are going to be times they change it, prime example look at some of the golf balls we've tested this year. A lot of them have been changed.
@@GolfBallAddictcan't overstate how much a dislike the ball companies doing that. Why not just bring out a different ball with a different name? Callaway brought out two new really good balls this year. Why on earth did they have to ruin a popular classic in the Chrome Soft? Are they going to have to bring out the Chrome Soft Classic to get back in the good side of the golf gods? Sigh.
Big fan of the channel!! I'm playing TM tour response stripe and I like it. I'm not that great at observing what/how a ball actually performs when I play it. Is it the ball, my swing, Tee, or club grooves? Deep questions I know lol. Is is there a ball that an average male swing speed(fitters say I should play stiff shaft) that carries more, maybe 15-20 yards more then say TM TR with average forgiveness and ave spin? I'm a member of a golf club and its great but fairway is soft with basically zero run even in August. Any thoughts or could you make e a video?
I never gotten a question like this before. I love it. Let me do some research and get back to you. If you get a moment, please shoot me an email at golfballaddict@gmail.com and I can get you multiple recommendations.
Today's golfer did mention though to NOT combine the data sets, because they used a different programme. So combining both to see Vice at the top is maybe not the best idea, but I do see the trend your mentioning
You talked some about Srixons changes this year, but don't they have a lot of consumer products, like Distance, Q Star tour, Q star, Soft feel, AD 333 which would be more for the average Joe. Z-stars is not for me, like the Pro V1s and the TP5s. I play Titleist AVX and Wilson ZIP this year, but am looking for balls for next year. Always great rebates late in the year here where I live.
Very true. They do offer a variety of beginner two-piece models. However even those have just tested okay in the past. My main gripe is that the old models of the z-star used to be an amazing option for mid-swing players who wanted a tour level golf ball. Not the case anymore. They limited the market a ton
I'm a maxfi tour or S fan. And you mention the numbers being great in 23 and 24 but I didn't see where toda6s golfer have tested any of the Maxfi. Probably because you can't buy them in the UK is this all from your testing?
Snell Get Sum or Prime 2.0? I am a big Wilson Zip fan, but really prefer to play a yellow ball, so I switched to the Titleist TruFeel. I like everything about the TruFeel, but I have a problem and always want to try something new. My driver swing speed is about 85, and I hit my 7 iron about 145. With the TruFeel I can stop the ball on the green with 8 iron and shorter, but would like a little more stopping power on shorter chips. Would you recommend I try the Snell Prime 2.0 or the Get Sum? I normally shoot low to mid 90s and sometimes will lose 5-6 balls a round and other times can play one ball the entire round. So I really don’t want to spend over $30ish a dozen.
If you are really looking for greenside spin, the 2.0 with the urethane coating really helps a lot. I am such a sucker for the get some though. Shot some of my best rounds with it
Sorry but you're wrong telling your viewers to stick to 1 ball - yes don't play a hard ball then play a soft ball. If you play X play any X it won't hurt your game. If you play a soft spinning play any soft spinning ball. Buy what's on special - you're throwing away money if you get stuck buying 1 ball. 100mph driver had 10 yards difference from best to worst. There's simply not that much in it - save your money have 3-4 lessons a year hit closer to the sweet spot will give you better results. Id bet any money it. Pick a style of ball and stick to it not a make/model. ( PS love your enthusiasm for balls and you're excitement to get the info into a spreadsheet - made me chuckle
Every golfer is different, especially depending on their ability and they're playing level, but I still would have to disagree with this statement as a whole. For example, let's take two different golf ball models. The Mizuno tour X, and the pro v1x, Both X model golf balls, but they couldn't be further different from each other. They have different check up around the green, they have different feel off the club face, they have different forgiveness levels. They're just different balls. When you get used to the consistency of how a golf ball reacts, and you understand how your golf ball is going to react around certain conditions, that helps. I'm not saying it's going to shave multiple strokes off your game. But it's definitely shaved a stroke or two a round consistently for me. I definitely agree with the lessons. No one here is saying don't get lessons, just saying that once you find that ball you really like you should stick with it. Just out of curiosity though, how are you losing money by picking one ball? It's actually the opposite usually. If you decide you like vice Pro you can buy them in bulk for the whole season and only pay $30 a dozen. Whereas if you're just buying individual dozens you're spending a lot more than that.
I have a question for you if you dont mind. I swing my driver/ woods fast but i swing my irons slow due to not striking irons well and seem to get better contact when i slow down. I picked up a pinnacle soft the other day at the golf course and started playing alot better. Do you think i should switch to softer balls for iron forgiveness/yardage. For reference my current gamer is a maxfli straightfly. Or should i stick to my current ball. Thank you always for the greay content!😊
Great question. Honestly it's going to come down to the courses you like to play. For example, a lot of local municipal courses seem to be shorter. 6000 yards and such. On a course like that, I have found that it is much better to lose a couple yards off the driver but to have much better spring and forgiveness and feel with the irons. On the other hand, you might play course sometimes that are really long and wide open, and you need a few extra yards opposed to iron forgiveness. And honestly, there's probably options that will help you with both that will be a little more balanced. Just off the top of my head, balls like the vice air and the oncore elixir could be a good middleman
I definitely like the vice air better. However the 2.0 was no slouch. If you need a little extra forgiveness on side spin and miss hits, the 2.0 could be your ball. But if you feel pretty confident in your game the air is the way to go
Uhhhhh, did he say which ball was the #1 ball overall? I didn't see he said a particular ball, just talked about "the shift" to small direct-to-consumer golf ball companies. So no #1 ball? He does mention the Vice ball as #1 at 18:36. I have tried Snell, and I think they are good, as good as Pro V, but I'd not say "better." What was the most accurate ball? Pro V1x was the #2 most accurate ball.
Great video nick. Not sure what ball I wanna use yet. What site did u get your data from I’d like to check it and out so I can choose a ball on how I play thanks
Gotta keep in mind the Miss hits. If you're 85 mph driver swing speed, but you consistently hit the center of the face almost every time, then yes the Pro Plus will work fine for you. But if you're someone like me who doesn't have a lot of consistency in direct center strikes, then you're going to lose a lot of performance on your miss hits
The TruFeel is pretty close...but the Zip is as good or better...and only $1 per ball. The newest TruFeel does have SOME greenside check, whereas the Zip has next to none.
@@GolfBallAddict I think the sound and feel are the same as the previous two generations, but I think the spin is probably a 3.5/10 on your greenside spin scale. Seems like I remember you having the previously-tested version at about a 2/10.
I'm curious how big of a drop off from #1 to like #10 in ball speed and yardage is... cause if 8 balls are within 1/2 yard of each other that kinda skews all the rankings... or like #1 ball speed is 145 and #10 is 142... that's a kinda different story
You can check out the rankings on the link in the description. There is only a small difference when it comes to Ball speed, but when it comes to yardage and distance, whole different story
Why do they not use the robot to test “forgiveness” ? The benefit of absolute consistency of the robot could be used to test high/low/heel/toe strikes rather than a 000.1mm centre strike every time. People testing yes, robot testing,,,, no. I get that the robot test gives superb baseline data, but what does that mean on the course ?
I have a couple theories. One, the test takes a long time to complete. They aren't a company that frequently test golf balls. Two, and I hope this one isn't the case. There are plenty of people who just deny forgiveness. "You can't blame the golf ball for a bad strike" I get told all the time
The tour was lower on their ranking than the air was. I've been using the air for a couple months now on shorter courses and spins never an issue for me. In fact in my testing it's one of the highest spinning balls I've tested so far this year.
Your section on Kirkland balls is a little off. Those aren't the rankings by any specific metric. It's the ranking of it's consistency for the shots hit within that metric. Kirkland was 3rd in PW spin and 2nd in 7i spin. (unfortunately also held some of that spin into driver). It was slightly below average in carry distance at all swing speeds for driver. And was above average in accuracy. So the main gripe against Kirkland should really be their consistency shot to shot, not necessarily their peak/average performance which is kind of what you presented. A bit nit-picky, but what would a golf ball video be if someone didn't defend kirkland xD Same applies to the ProV1. I think you were looking at their consistency table as an "overall ranking" table (which they did not provide). To be fair the ProV1 was pretty mediocre in all categories anyways. But just wanted to call that out in case that cause others any confusion EDIT: it seems like you referenced this table throughout the video (I was typing this comment as I was listening). I just want to clarify that the table is ranking the VARIANCE of shots within that category. So Vice Pro being #1 in ball speed only means that of the 12 shots hit with it, the lowest and the highest ball speeds were the closest together. It has nothing to do with how far it actually went. The Vice pro was ranked 4th in consistency for backspin but was in the Bottom 1/3 for both 7i and PW. Just means that it will spin consistently... unfortunately consistently not very much.
"As we hit 12 shots with each ball from each situation we were able to look at the amount of difference that occurred across each 12-shot set. By focusing on the differences in ball speed, backspin, and carry distance we can see which balls will offer up the most consistent shot-to-shot results."
They also specifically stated not to compare previous years results because they are using new data collection software. So the Maxfli bump doesn't really align with the article.
Yeah that makes sense. Either way you look at it though, the Kirkland's numbers were mediocre. Especially compared to the field. I'll admit that this theory helps the Kirkland out more than the pro v1. If the Pro V1 consistency from shot to shot is that mediocre, is it still the number one golf ball? I would still say no.
Yeah I think they have to say that for scientific purposes. However I would make the argument but for us average Joe's who are just collecting data, it still applies. The data will not vary that much overall from software to software. Don't get me wrong it will little, but the Max fly X isn't going to magically go from being number one to being number 20 just from different software.
@@GolfBallAddict I would agree. Even within this comparison there are some clear stand outs and underperformers. I didn't see last years numbers but if Maxfli was up near the top I doubt measurement variance would make a big difference. I would agree that Kirkland certainly underperformed their popularity, and ProV1 has consistently been slipping against the competition for years (especially at their price point!). The Kirkland driver spin numbers are atrocious and something I've noticed in my own experience. TBH I'm only playing them because of the convenience and price. whenever a holiday sale rolls around I grab a few cases and don't need to think about it. But I never complain about finding a Vice or a TP5 in the woods
Yeah there are many factors that go into that. Launch angle, spin, then there are even more factors once you actually get to a course. Firmer golf balls will have usually more rollout, especially on Firmer fairways.
Oh yeah any bad hit is going to hurt a distance. But my question is, are you losing 5 yards or are you losing 30? Go out and play with a tp5x and a Wilson zip and tell me what the difference is on Miss hits. Guarantee you'll have a 30 to 40-yard difference
Not trying to cause an argument. Just think if you are above 90, you shouldnt even worry about a ball. Feels good and cheap are about as much as you should worry bout. Quick question though because I havent seen the actual test, how did they gather their data? Trackman? Gc? Did they physically measure actual yardages or just used the LM numbers? I think something everyone overlooks with balls is down range spin. Sure, a launch monitor will pick up intial spin right off the club face but at that point aerodynamics and dimple design, can cause spin decay. This is also a huge factor for playing in wind.
Yeah I don't know man. Over the last few years, I've been able to debunk more and more of their test. Also, I had a really reliable source tell me they have sold out. Can't verify myself but I trust the source. I mean that tour exotics iron being the top ranked game improvement iron? Our test had much different results. I'm not trying to totally discredit my golf spy. I still use their test for references and am an avid reader. All I'm saying is I would keep an open mind.
They didn't test it. They weren't able to test every single two-piece golf ball and that was one they left out. Would love to see how it performed though
