Not fully correct. Look at the cabinet label - each is rectifying 500 kW - but at least two (maybe 3) cabinets - each supplying 4 stalls - can share their DC intermediate bus. SuC v3 typically do not come with less than two cabinets (8 stalls - very few are partially populated down to 6 stalls). Meaning 4 completely empty cars can all get 250kW simultaneously. A random mix of variably full cars can also charge at their respective maximum power (which tapers off beyond 40% SOC), so for all practical purposes, each v3 always delivers full power (if the connector is not dirty, battery warmed up, etc). Obviously this would not stop the blokes of TopGear to prepare 8 Teslas, drive them all down to
That's incorrect. In v3, every 4 stalls (say 1A to 1D) share 350kW between them, as well as a shared DC bus for an additional 575kW (which comes either from neighbouring stalls or a battery.)
3:36, the CCS Cable, note the "top half" of the CCS cable is actually missing the four alternating current AC pins (N, L1, L2, L3), since it's not used in this instance. It's a Combo 2 cable, It's just the 3 remaining pins for two communication contacts and a protective earth.
That's correct for those Superchargers. Many other vehicle models could not use them for that reason, even if Tesla opened up their network. Prices will be interesting, too. I'd presume that Tesla drivers will pay less.
V2 superchargers split loads between two chargers form one 150kw transformer. V3 Supercharger splits power from a 1MW transformer and so all 4 chargers are get 250kw at the same time. This may be limited by the grid connection in the area. Also V3 chargers have a thinner cable as they are water cooled. Plus model 3 and Ys cannot charge at 22kw on AC charger, they are limited to 11kw. Model S and Xs can be upgraded to 16.5kw from the 11kw for older models. Some really old models had twin chargers in the car so could do 22kw. But all new S and X cars can handel 16.5kw as standard.
Its really sad that tesla dropped support for 22kw OBC, there are definitely places in france where you have plenty of free 22kw AC chargers with little to no alternative.
If you are at a busy V2 supercharger site, (which shares power between two stalls), you can see the states of charge of each vehicle by how fast the light is flashing green where you plug in. The ones flashing slowest are more fully charged and taking less power, so would be better to share with to get a faster charge.
Old Tesla S and X change DC also with the old plug on Superchargers max kW in Europe +-150 kW. Also only old Model S (pre face lift) can Change 22 kW AC with double change ombord. TM3 can only change 11 kW AC... S and X change 16.5 kW now days with AC....
Regarding charging, from Autocar today: “Tesla has begun a pilot scheme that allows drivers of other manufacturers' electric vehicles to use 10 of its Supercharger charging sites in the Netherlands.”
@@richardholdway9335 I've seen reports that you can get the same £/kWh if you pay a monthly subscription of around £13. You'd need to do the maths on whether that's worth it -v- the non-subscribed rate.
At least 2, possibly 3 cabinets of SuC v3 can share power - thus the A/B issue does not even apply between 1A-D/2A-D any more (also see my other commend on why a v3 effectively always gives maximum power) Also, the Mennekes Plug was designed such, that if you forcefully extract it (from the car, or the Wallbox, if that only has a socket), the plastic in the cable plug should give first - not the pin / locking mechanism in the socket. Obviously, there are cost savings measures in play - in particular on the car socket side - and it is not unheard of, that the pin mechanism will give before the plastic of the plug is torn...
Technically can still be shared depending on power supply. Outside of the US they typically come in groups of 3 and I believe typically share an up to 500kW cabinet. So if you got 3 low charge LR/Ps plugging in at the same time, they would be restricted. Practically that's unlikely. Australia's most southerly supercharger (in Devonport, Tasmania) shares 350kW between 3 V3s for example.
Most of the time, it's the delay to certify that they are connected to the grid correctly.. Sometimes (depending on the region) you can actually start using chargers early but at a massively reduced rate (grid rate) until someone comes to do the certifying. But sadly this seems to be few and far between.
Call it a customised Type2.. it's got an extra triangular bit of plastic/ key to stop it fitting into a regular Type 2 slot, and ensuring it can only be used in a S/X. It's quite different to the US/Canada/Japan Telsa Proprietary Connector which is more of an Oval shape.
@@mark123655 The only customization is that extra bit of plastic that stops it from being plugged into non-Tesla cars (and newer Teslas with CCS), otherwise it's a normal CCS-Mid. (I would have loved to write "standard CCS-Mid", but CCS-Mid was kicked out of the standard after Tesla began using it.)
@@HenryLoenwindType2 was never designed to use DC across it. Ot to be able to use AC or DC switchable. A plug standard defines precisely what each pin in a connector does..
Home DC fast chargers are going to be quite popular for the super rich. $150k is spare change for these people and it will certainly add value to their properties.
Not sure about the UK but in Scandinavia the idle fee for staying connected after your charge is finished comes to £1 per minute, so no one overstays their welcome! My local supercharger station has 8 bays and I've only ever seen one other car apart from mine using them. On the navigation map, if you touch the icon with the number on it that indicates free charging stalls available, you can see the tech details of the station & how many Kw it can supply.
Same way your light switch is RATED for 10 amps at 250v. Doesn't mean the switch is delivering that to your bulb, just that the device has been designed to be beefcake enough to handle it without exploding.
I guess lots of people would be perfectly happy if they could have a dummy supercharger stall, powered by a normal wall charger type 2 cable at home. When they ask you about installing a Supercharger at home, you don’t have to take the request LITERALLY. People tend to reason by approximation. The average customer is not equipped to know what it takes to power a supercharger, and thank god they aren’t, otherwise most professionals would be out of a job. As ugly as Tesla stalls can be, maybe someone would like to have something iconic in their driveway, without expecting REAL supercharger performance. I reckon if someone were to spoof Tesla’s design for home chargers, they’d make plenty of money, quite possibly followed by a cease and desist order
If I wanted to install a Tesla supercharger in my house, could I not just connect it to the DNO side of the incoming fuse and then I’m getting free supercharging miles again…
Tesla shouldn’t allow general access to their superchargers. It’s madness , I’ve only bought a Tesla because of the exclusivity of their chargers. I should have bought a Kia or a MachE.
FYI .. there aint NO tesla superchargers in birmingham, on M6 you got them at J1 rugby services then wolverhampton, non on M6 toll, on M42 you got them at J2 redditch then non till nottingham, non on m5 till J14, on M40 at warwick services but no tesla superchargers in birmingham itself, not 1 at the airport, NEC or birmingham international rail station.
A very informative presentation - but I have an 11th question which is important to me. How does an electric vehicle driver charge while towing a caravan or boat? Surely not by parking sideways across the line of chargers! Is it necessary to uncouple each and every time?
Newer sites have long bays for this. Also as more electric trucks and buses hit the road, larger bays will be provided. Check out what Gridserve are up to.
Tesla's are good cars, but there is one thing about Teslas that annoy me to the point that I'm on the fence about if I wanna purchase one: You cannot repair almost anything on it without taking it back to Tesla, which usually costs double or even triple the amount an independent shop usually would take. If Tesla is gonna make the rules about "my car", I'd rather find something else that i actually "own". I'm all for Right to Repair!
The high costs of repairs, and the horror stories on some prominent RU-vid channels about the glacially slow repair times are the two main reason we didn't buy a Tesla. The third reason is recharging costs. Our ZE50 gives us a genuine 250+ miles of Summer range, in the U.K. I've confirmed that, driving normally on mixed roads, with a passenger and fairly heavy luggage, and it really does go further than Renault claim it can do. It can charge at up to 50 kW for 25p per kWh, meaning that the average recharge would be less than 30 minutes but we get free 22 kW 3-phase charging at the same stations. We've never needed to recharge at 50 kW, so electricity has cost us nothing for the past 3,000 miles of driving. Tesla does not offer free recharging to purchasers of new vehicles.
Ahh Very interesting about Supercharger pretty fast. Yes I saw the same thing. I wondered How many max amps are on your house's main lines? My house's meter shows 30kw. I don't know how many amps my house has. Thumbs up! Cheers!
Most UK homes have 100A supply, so 24kw. That said you only need 7kw for a home charger. Anything else is overkill, and will cost a fortune as you then need 3 phase power installed.
I guess you can also drive 600 miles without stopping for a toilet break on a full tank of diesel right? By the time you’ve gone to the toilet and got a coffee you’ll likely be charged and ready to go.
There isn’t any timetable for Tesla opening the supercharger network in the U.K. and it is unlikely to be for all other EVs. The main problem is the location of the charge port, and it’s likely that only cars that have a charge port in a location that suits the supercharger eg left rear or front right.
Yep. When Elon says "soon" it could mean a long time.. Cable length / port location is one problem, they will likely need a new stall design. Second thing is Tesla will need a third party app and account, or some credit card reader. I suspect they'll roll out first in locations where there is government funding available for fast chargers, but only if it's all access.
You didn’t talk about partial charges and how long it takes to give just a hundred miles. Sometimes that’s enough to handle what your trip requires. Also I hope you invested in Tesla stock, yes a whole different subject, it went up over 12% in one day. It was probably based on the Hertz auto rental buying 100,000 Tesla’s
The charge rate is dependent on the state of charge. It starts to taper off at around 50% and falls off a cliff at 80% It's faster to pull in at 20 and only charge to 80. Also, with the NMC chemistry Tesla uses, it's better for battery life.
You need to invent a device that will make your Tesla a Powerwall when you plug it in your house. That way you could get free electricity in your house.
Not sure why you can't say a woman drove off with a fuel pipe still in her car, when it was a woman. You should have mentioned that Tesla can also disable super charging to your vehicle, as they have done to some of their customers in the USA, despite their customers paying them thousands of dollars for the service. They are the apple of the car market with the restrictions they put in place on something you are ment to own, just like Apple do.
Fact is, no one knows when the network will be available to other cars. At the moment, many models are not compatible. Cable length, positioning and account for payment. No time soon as you suggested on the video buddy. Miss-informing others is not a good practice.
What if a wild animal or person with a weapon comes up to you in your car while it is charging. Now you have to get out to disconnect the charge cable.
On charging... I've been to a EV6 dealership event in London and the guy giving the presentation said KIA has already got an agreement with TESLA in the US to use there charging network and they will soon have an agreement in Europe too. So far I've only heard about Elon Musk on Twitter say they will open up the charging network to other car companies but nothing about which companies. This guy may have let the cat out of the bag before any official press release. I assume Hyundai will be in the agreement as well, but he only mentioned KIA.
Jorden used to be massive Zappi fans, and I don't remember them saying anything otherwise, other than the NEW Tesla Chargers are better now than the older ones, which meant he replaced his own personal Zappi for a Tesla unit... They have been installing Hypervolt chargers, but according to their videos, the newer Hypervolts have actually lost a useful feature and Cory was not very happy about that, but, it only affects people who want to install a Hypervolt outside of their wifi range.. I hope this helps.
@@ColinRichardson thank you for this. I am getting quotes in for hypervolt. It’ll be next to the wifi so no problem. I need a longer tether which kind of narrows it down to this. I will try to get some Zappi quotes in as well. Any thoughts on Ohme?
@@jayp9059 I have no personal experience and I am unaware of any Artisan videos on them. (They may exist, and I missed them). I do not remember off the top of my head what internal protection the Hypervolts have. A re-watch of Artisan videos on the subject would be good. They *MAY* require an additional ..... ..... the term escapes me, "earth fault protection" maybe.. So that could be a hidden cost other than the basic "charing unit" I believe the Zappi has them built in as far as I remember. But, please, don't take anything I say here as gospel, I may be out of date on my information, each product may have changed. Or I could just remembering everything backwards.. But, I would definitely ask for EVERY device you are looking at quotes for, what the built in protection devices are, and which would be needed externally to the units... This was one of the things that made the earlier versions of the Tesla destination chargers a bad choice, because the charging unit itself had basically NO protection for itself, it was ALL required to be external. It's why their chargers looked all small and sleek.. It basically didn't do anything. Their newer ones are better, but I can't actually tell you what protection they have now, as I simply do not remember. But, it is all in the Artisan videos.
@@ColinRichardson Thanks Colin... The Hypervolt does have internal protection hence, no requirement for an earth rod. a sales rep at Tesla suggested the hypervolt but i will get quotes for Zappi and ohme for sure.. thanks again
10:37 charging at 7kW at home is great if you have 230V but US and Canada 120V *15A (1.8kW) is standard. It's a pain to get an outdoors plug installed with 240V 30A (6.9kW) circuit. I'd need a new panel installed in my old home, probably need my house re-wired, it opens a can of worms and $$$.
@@GregHassler They may in theory, but at a Version 2 SC if 2 cars share the same it cuts the charge rate in half which does not happen with Gen3 Superchargers...
When non teslas are able to charge, the supercharger network gets busier and it gets harder to find a free one? I do hope they expand capacity.. really need these other electric charging companies to keep maintaining their network better as the number of times they don't work or out of order is shocking.
No need to open the charge port door, it opens automatically when you take the cable out the holster. Also model 3 AC charger is 11kW not 22 kW as stated.
While charging, could you have put the car in neutral, released the handbrake, and let the car roll away until the charge cable ripped itself out of the car? Probably not, but you didn’t test it🤣🤣
Nope! 🤣First of all, few EVs and no Tesla cars have handbrakes, they are superfluous. Parking brakes lock the discs. Secondly, you can’t move the vehicle whilst charging 👍
@@edwardbyard6540 Also, I'm rather sure the car wouldn't open the charge port door unless in park. Or switch to park when you open it, or at the very least when you insert a plug (e.g. after manually forcing it open).
Always wondered what actually fed into EVs , be it AC or DC. Lots of good info. Wonder what the position would be if you lost or had a faulty phone? How would you disconnect from the charger? Thanks for posting.
You get a keycard with the car to use as a key. You can unlock the car, drive it etc with that. Using your phone as a key is a handy bonus, but not required. I always keep my keycard in my wallet in case I lose my phone, or it runs out of charge etc.
You can unlock via the central screen (stop charging). Your car must be unlocked (but since you're touching the screen it'd be a poser how you got inside while it was locked ;-) ) There's also an emergency unlock cable pull (pure hardware) in the boot if everything fails.
You can stop charging and unlock the charge port from the screen inside, you have a seprate key card to unolck from outside. Don't keep that card in your phone holder.
So according to signage, it’s illegal to charge the car as each charger has a no parking sign next to the bay. Therefore you can quite lawfully get a parking ticket charging your car.
The top section of the sign describes the allowed parking restrictions (In this case only EV's) the yellow section of the sign outlines the restrictions if you don't fit into that category (in this case, no other allowances).
There's nothing stopping any automaker from making cars that could be driven off, but as the car knows it is talking to a charger, it is trivial to put that safety measure into place.
Unlikely. In the UK, about 60% of homes have off street parking and will charge at home. Imagine 60% of petrol cars never visiting a petrol station ever again. That’s what is coming.
I've seen a lorry attempt to drive away right in front of me with the diesel pump nozzle still in his tank. I was sitting behind him waiting to use the pump and was slow to sound my horn because my ignition was off and I had to turn that on first. The pump sort of bent at the top, then all the panels popped off and it turned into a diesel fountain. I had to go elsewhere to refuel my lorry.
V3 chargers don't share power and they have water cooled cables. No other cars can or will use them for years that may happen in the US but looks unlikely
Afaik, all Ev's are capable of being charged on a domestic supply. The cost of havi g a 7kW charger fitted at a domestic premises varies dependent upon many factors relating to the complexity of each installation and what model of charger you choose that has the features that you desire, but generally speaking cost upwards of £500 here in the UK.
Excellent very informative video - thanks. Please let us know as soon as Tesla allow other makes of electric cars to charge at their chargers. I am happy to have an account to pay. I so need not to have range anxiety with our present chargers not working etc. Thank you 😊