MJF's worked shoot was done so brilliantly that we'll still be talking about it years from now. They even cut his mic off and removed him from all AEW events. It will be a hell of a reaction whenever he does show up next.
@@oddishhonor You know what's amazing? It's both. It's what DJ thinks and what it is. You probably spent a moment of your life getting upset over something so inconsequential and your life might be a little less for it.
@@daisusaikoro you did the same by taking time and energy from your day to click on the comment, see my comment, and reply. Guess both of us are alot similar than you think buddy
@@oddishhonor Trurr, perhaps, except I'm not upset. Saddened, perhaps, but not upset. (I do lament reading the reply but that wasn't something I could know before hand. ) Your perception is of an interesting kilter.
Two of the first three you mentioned, the WCW ones involving Vince Russo (Jarrett, Hogan and Nash, Goldberg and Steiner), are examples of why people say Russo killed WCW.
Kaufman's work is incredible. Absolutely stunning, he wore a neck brace for months. I still use the picture of him trolling it up with a worlds intergender wrestling champion tshirt on
Andy Kaufman at #1 is perfect. dude should be considered a Legend, because he legit made people HATE his guts. he had nuclear heat. Fires of Hell heat.
The finger poke of doom was bad enough on its own but combined with the fact that was when they gave away that Mick Foley was winning the WWF title and Tony Schiavone dismissively said that’ll put butts in the seats made it even worse. Nitro never beat Raw after that and many times Raw doubled Nitro’s ratings. That combined with the breaking of Goldberg’s streak about a week earlier were two of the first big mistakes that eventually led to the demise of WCW.
I really think that if someone wants to do this, they must make it count, because otherwise it really will ruin the immersion, as you said, as well as the value of the product, because now every achievement is worthless, for it's not an in-ring one, but a backstage one. As an AEW fan I really, really hope that TK wouldn't do this, I believe he is smarter than that. But if he decides that there is a story good enough for it to be worth it, that he will consult not only those who participate in said storyline, but also most of his main eventers, because they are the people who will have to suffer the consequences of this. One love ❤️
This is where Russo failed epically in WCW because he could never seem to grasp that while we know wrestling isn't on the level we still WANT to suspend our disbelief. We don't want every single angle to remind us that what we're watching is a performance.
I'm about to show my age, the Kaufman/Lawler work was perfect. I believed that shit until the Man on the Moon movie came out. That piece of business is going to be talked about forever.
I think the MJF situation works so well because we all assumed he'd come out and win the battle royal and hijack the interim title and the fact that he didn't makes the lines blur all the more. Plus the decision to let the internet generate all the buzz by not posting anything about this on their own social media has to be appreciated
The potential for the angle is high, but so is the chance of it not working out. I think it's too early to say more than it was a great engaging moment on AEW television. They really need to knock it out of the park to make it mean something going forward
@@lanemorse8612 yeah they need to act on it whilst it still has momentum. I suppose there's no reason to suggest MJF couldn't still win the interim title closer to Punk's return, but it was an interesting choice to not put him in the royal because now they have to find a reason to justify TK booking him in a championship match down the line
@@mtabby8791 I love when other people judge people as Wrestling nerds when they are the ones watching month old news videos. But if you have nothing better to do than pick fights in RU-vid comments then enjoy shouting into the void "buddy"
Vince fired a top executive just to make a statement to everybody working for his company. If that doesn't tell you how deranged he's become then I don't even know what does.
Speaking of TNA, there's another one for this list (although it was helpful, rather than harmful, to the business) - the Samoa Joe shoot from Turning Point 2007... Samoa Joe was booked to team with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall against the team of Kurt Angle, Tomko and A.J. Styles. Hall no-showed the event, one report saying that he was suffering from acute food poisoning. Joe was pissed off, and was given the go-ahead by TNA management to break the news live, on-air during the PPV. But Joe’s promo went a little longer than expected. He delivered a blistering five-minute shoot about certain people in pro wrestling. In particular, Joe lambasted the "superstars" that were coming to TNA to line their own pockets at the expense of the true TNA die-hards, (eg. Motor City Machine Guns, Black Machismo) that were working their asses off to change wrestling for the better. Though the promo itself was sheer brilliance, Joe was criticized by some for going too long, including then-TNA president Dixie Carter. Joe’s other partner for the match that night, Kevin Nash, due to his age and apparent lack of passion for wrestling, also felt the full force of the Samoan's angry, unscripted blast.
Some would argue that Being the same night was the Self inflicted Fatal Wound that left WCW DOA... either event on it's own and I think they could have survived... They could have Insulted beloved Talent OR delivered a swerve Main event but doing Mick Dirty with that dig AND doing the Fans Dirty in short order made a lot of Fans decide if they don't care, we don't care
Jerry Lawler said that he Kaufman had so much heat at one point that he was worried someone was going to kill him. When Mid South started airing those promos of Kaufman's "tips" for Southern people, the TV station started getting bomb threats.
I wouldn't even call that one a worked shoot, I think the angle was pitched to Hogan and Jarrett as a worked shoot but the promo itself was a full shoot by Russo.
The first 3 entries proves that Russo did more harm than good to the wrestling business. And that is before you take into account how he sabotaged TNA for years as a way of trying to, which he is still doing, get back into WWE.
Then there's The Brawl For All, and the infamous Judy Bagwell On A Forklift. WTAF???? And people think Jim Cornette is OTT by referring to Russo as, "Shit-stain" :/
@@bury_the_elite65294 who drew the best ratings in the industry russo! you may habe thought russo was bad for wrestling buy the masses say otherwise! you dont agree with his writing thats fine but he drew the biggest audience in wrestling in the 90s you cant deny that, and who cares what cornette says hes a bully who is still stuck in the 70s
@@erikchristiansen9972 Those WCW segments Russo did mentioned here were a catalyst in ruining the streak WCW had in the ratings war. Maybe at best you can say Russo gets some short term ratings spikes, but long-term he just sours people from the product because of how the only thing he cares about is "surprising" the viewers. He's come up with a few great angles but way more often his ideas were terrible.
As opposed to Nash just dropping it in a proper match? Hogan still would have had the title and they would have avoided all the subsequent fall out. Doing it that way showed a complete lack of respect for fans.
Joey Styles shooting on C-level PPV was awesome cause he was saying what everyone was always saying online and Heyman going off on Vince was EPIC what ARE you talking about Simon??!
I think his point was that both led to nothing overall. Everyone loves stone cold for basically kicking the shit out of his boss and it changing the landscape even tho it was just a character
To be fair, I don't think The Finger Poke of Doom was a worked shoot. I think Hulk Hogan is the greatest of all time & was just that good. And lest we forget about how bad Kevin Nash's knees are! ... And if you believe that, I've got some ocean-front property to sell you in Arizona!
Lita left matt for edge and edge left her too What goes around, comes around!! Unfortunately, matt failed to make it big while edge became a megastar I do feel bad for matt, he deserved better
Well, that is how life works. The difference is in the reactions. I mean, if you compare Matt's reaction to Lita's you will understand. No, I don't know anything about the latter, because I think that nothing big happened. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. One love ❤️
Paul was fired because he kept pushing the idea that punk beat everyone at elimination chamber, he wanted him to choke them all out, including Big show before the next pod opened.
I was there when Joey Styles cut that confusing "work shoot" and remember thinking at the time, what the hell is he talking about? To this day, I still don't know what the hell he was talking about
Pro wrestling is the only place where the lines between real & scripted can be blurred to make a show better…sometimes. Imagine seeing an episode of Law&Order where the villain of the episode breaks kayfabe to tell the audience that he isn’t really a murdering pedophile but he was just forced into the role by the director/producer/some executive higher power - would you tune in next week to see if that actor is cast in a better role, or would you be like: “of course my fictional TV show isn’t real, thanks for reminding me!” and look for something else to watch?
I'm not sure you know what "ruined' means, since some of these were GREAT for wrestling. Jerry Lawler would still be only known in Memphis if not for Kaufman.
Uh... The Matt Hardy / Edge match was called off for real. It wasn't a worked shoot. The 2 guys were trading actual punches, and Matt suffered a full blown concussion, and the ref went off script and stopped the match. Matt was actually supposed to win the match, until it stopped being a wrestling match...
We found the mark guys 😂😂😂. So marky mark, if that were true why would he then NOT win ANY of the subsequent rematches? Don’t you think if he was supposed to win the FIRST match he would’ve won literally ANY of them…? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Most people who think the Maxwell Jacob Friedman promo was a shoot are stupid because where does he go if not all elite wrestling that would be the WWE where Bruce and Vince will bury him and he knows that of course he's coming back to all elite wrestling
I really can't understand why anyone was a fan of WCW considering the trash storylines ,the finger poke of doom,made a celebrity the WCW world champion,have the WCW title change hands like what 19 times in one year. Then you have people who claim the WCW title was more prestigious then the WWE title😅 .
The joke there being that anyone would ever believe Scott Steiner (by that point at least) was professional enough to take a loss scripted for someone else in order to save a match. Try harder, Vince.
Bc it’s nonsensical. Nash is one of the most unreliable people ever seen in the business. Whether it’s his quads or the words coming out of his lips you LITERALLY can’t trust him to both walk and talk at the same time…
Dear Simon, Phil, et. al., If Kayfabe is back, when will Kayfabe News come back? As ever, may peace and prosperity be upon you and all those you hold dear
booking wasn't the reason it went out of business. it's because they didn't have a television deal. look how bad WWE booking is. it doesn't matter because they have great media deals
@@blueprint7 Well, yea, but their booking was one of the main reasons why they lost many of their fans, which in turn made a good, or honestly any, TV deal impossible. I mean, you are not wrong, but WWE's brand currently is much stronger than WCW's had any chance of being, because the times are very different. And there is also the fact that then there was competition between promotions that were, more or less equal. But ever since then Vince haven't had any serious competition that could get his fans and knock his brand down. I'm an AEW fan, but no matter how much I like their product, I understand that they don't have any chance of doing the things I said above, at least not in the next 5-10 years. Exactly because of the reason that you stated, they have great deals, not only TV deals, but there is also the Peacock deal, the Saudi shows, etc. And this is why there should be real competition for WWE, because otherwise they will be able to create stale product with bad storylines and booking and still have great deals and be worth a billion dollars. Also, no, I don't wish that AEW would do to WWE what they themselves did to WCW, because this would most likely get us to a similar state, a stale product that doesn't try to be better because there is no need for it. I hope that there will be even more big promotions that will keep one another better. This is what is best for us, the fans and the wrestlers themselves, because now if they feel underappreciated, unhappy or whatever, they can go to somewhere else. Like Cody, Malakai, Mox and many others did. And this works in both directions, which is great. Just look at Cody's run in WWE, I'm so glad about this, because now AEW has to do even more for their wrestlers, unless they are willing to let them go to the other team. As for the fans, I came back to wrestling about a year after AEW's begging, because I found them then and loved the product, and I'm sure that there are people who prefer WWE and came to realise it when AEW started, because they didn't like the new promotion. And this is all well and good. One love ❤️
In hindsight, most of us know WWE got it right with Crystal Meth Punk, after seeing what a joke he has become. Little did we know at the time that his "pipe bomb" was just him being his natural cry baby self lol.
