wow, I wouldnt in a million years expect this mechanical beast to be so loud, also the volume control is great and gave me a chuckle even though I expectted something like that
Thanks for posting this video. I pulled the same model out of storage to see if it works. When I inherited it from my grandmother decades ago there was no RU-vid.
Wow an old 78rpm with "o sole mio"/"la donna e' mobile" ... a classic Song from southern Italy (Naples) and a hyper famous opera extract... exactly what you would expect on an old 78 rpm. If i read it correctly, the singer is Enrico Caruso, that would make any grandmother of the era happy.
I could hear slight distortion at the end of the record 🤔 I would recommend the use of a twelve-fold shielded unicorn hair cable, braided by virginal elves at new moon as a solution ... if… it had a cable at all 😁
My grandfather had a rare disk of a lecture by Thomas Edison, don't think there are too many of those around. Those disks were like a piece of slate or hard clay, very heavy, very fragile, and thick.
It should sound better once I get the property needles. This makeshift one that I made up is kind of on the soft side. I've ordered a bag of 100 single-play needles so I'll be trying out a few of those once they arrive next week
I remember my grandparents had a Edison “London Console” stored in their attic for years. It was double the width of the one you have. One side of it was the mechanism, and the other side had a door that opened with felt slots that held the “diamond disks”. I can’t remember how many slots there were, but they were all full with records. It still worked too. As kids we’d crank it up, and listen to some of the old recordings. Couple of other neat things about it was in the business side, it had both a vial of Edison branded oil, and a jar of Edison grease. Also at some point way back in the day, someone added an electrified 78 rpm tone arm that was bolted to the chassis on the opposite end of the platter, and there was a bunch of old steel needles scattered about in the cabinet. It’s tracking weight could have probably been measured with a bathroom scale. Never did use the 78 arm, as I didn’t have a 78 record to play, or an amplifier to connect it to. They ended up renovating the attic to be upstairs living for my mother when my grandmother was getting too old to live alone, so the Edison ended up with a neighbor/friend who was interested in it, and had the room to store it.
@@12voltvids Right on. I’m sure the one in my grandparents attic was probably from an older relatives estate, since they would have both been the kids cranking the handle in the 20’s when it was new. The Atwater-Kent 627 for my profile photo was another older relatives radio (Uncle “Burpie”) my grandparents had stored in the basement.
I don't think there are any copyright regulations on old recordings like this. I think that the copyright ends 70 years after the composer has passed away.
Amazing sound coming from this player. I had no idea they could be so loud. I love the volume control too. I have two old Edison records but did not know they were cut vertically. One has a partial label and the other has no labels but a pressed in number (catalogue number I guess) can still be seen. Great video.
All Edison records were cut vertically. If you try to play on regular lateral pickup you get no sound. A stereo cartridge however will play both because stereo records are a combination of vertical and lateral cuts. Actually 2 45' cuts.
@@12voltvids Yeah... a stereo cart will technically work, but in the case of these earlier records, it's more like a jack of all trades, master of none. Both types of record will be reproduced with excess noise as opposed to cartridges designed specifically for either solely vertical or solely lateral grooves. Also, the stylus in a stereo cartridge will be far too narrow to track the grooves as intended, and will likely be picking up excess surface and dust noise from the bottom of the groove where it does not belong.
So cool! Less than 400 likes despite almost 5,000 views is a shame, and I bet it's just because a lot of your audience doesn't think about hitting the like button (and you don't shamelessly ask them to do it 32x like most creators)... You can bet I'll be putting at least one more like on a lot of your other videos soon - if not all of them in time!
@@12voltvids I have never tried personally, but I know there is a way to add text captions (and even links) to videos... you could make a little caption appear that says, "please like and subscribe if you enjoy the video," or something like that... it would be less shameless than begging in the video, and you could add it after the fact to all of your existing content without editing the actual videos. I just Googled it, and you can even make a link that subscribes the user automatically when they click it by linking to this URL: ru-vid.com Just replace the part that starts with the less than symbol and ends with greater than symbol (ie: ) with your actual channel ID. Just a thought! I also briefly Googled how to add links to videos, and what I read said to put them in the video description, but I'm not sure if that's accurate since creators seem to also be able to make them show up at certain times somehow... Anyway, sorry for writing a book here, but hopefully it might help!
Damn that thing is cool!! Havent seen one like that yet. This video REALLY shows the power, I'm not in front of it but I don't think I've heard a phono record do that kind of volume before. I figured 78 rpm would allow a record to drive a needle much harder without destroying the record but that's crazy!
Some notes: Victor was actually independent in 1925, but joined with RCA in late 1928 (I think). Edison DD phonos actually were made from 1915 or so through 1927- they're still common, but more desirable. Edison introduced electrical records in late 1927, but would cease production of records and phonographs in late 1929- just as the Depression hit. I would advise buying a few hundred steel needles online, they'll sound a lot better, and they're cheap. Another fun fact- at January 1, every song recorded before 1923 becomes public domain! Very nice phono.
Already ordered 100 steel needles. Will show up some day i guess. No Edison dd records but i am looking for one. Will go through my stack of 78s that were my grandmother's. May have some interesting stuff I haven't listened to.
I own a DD that is an unrestored survivor that is in stunning condition and I have the lateral cut adapter. The sound quality is far superior than the Victor grams of the day.
Believe it or not, you can still buy needles for 78 rpm players-a simple web search will bring them up. Note that most of these are only intended for 1 or 2 plays(they wear VERY quickly).
You mentioned Victor witch made the drive mechanism for a lot of phonograph and the ones with the horn on top they used to put a sock in it to quiet it down and that it where we get the phrase to put a sock in it
Victor talking machine was the first to use the lateral groove as opposed to vertical groove. Victor was acquired by RCA and was known as RCA Victor. Now there were 2 styles of record player, Victor and victrola. Victor had the horn on top and victrola had the horn underneath like mine. Had mine been made by the Victor company it would be a victrola. Yes the original had no volume control and you would suff a sock it it to shut it up. Fully aware of the term. This is an Edison which is totally different. Edison used a gear drive to move the diamond reproducer to play their special discs. This placed less wear on the record groove. Required special records which were much more expensive to make. The adapter I got makes it conpatable with lateral groove records. Edison players are much more rare and worth a little more.
It's bloody loud. I think I will haul it out Monday and play bing Crosby white Christmas on 78 on this old relic. Yes it still works great. Over 100 years old.
No in fact you’re right, it is a phonograph and not gramophone. Phonograph was the term interchangeable for both disc and cylinder machines in the US. Edison himself referred to his disc line as the Edison Diamond disc phonograph. Gramophone become the more dominant term in Britain and Europe, it is specifically a disc machine but is more of a British term. In the US most disc machines were called phonographs well from the 1920s into the 40s before record player became the more used term.
Oh I know it's a photograph but the trolls and you know who you are, the type of person that would tear the wings off a fly will nitpick and try to correct me voicing their incorrect opinions. Gramophone was a trade name likely to avoid trademark infringements back in the day if they had called their device a photograph as Edison invented the photograph. But according to some stuff I got off the web even though the terms are interchangeable initially because the phonograph was a cylinder based recording when the first discs entered the market the players were called a gramophone to distinguish the difference between a cylinder record and a disk record. When Edison released his diamond disc phonograph the name came with it. On another note Johnny shithead must really have a bee up his ass, I see fired off 4 complaints on this video and publish my old address and wrong phone numbers again on the web. I can't help but thinking that some poor sucker who has the phone number he published is getting prank phone calls. I know this happens because one of the numbers is my business line and I keep getting calls from people that just play comedy records or play music on it which fills up my voicemail but the other phone number is he has listed don't belong to me so I'm sure other people are getting prank phone calls as many times as my business line rings which is kind of funny.
@@12voltvids If you really want to get technical, here's a comment from the collecting community: Gramophones (with an upper-case ‘G’) were the earliest lateral-groove disc record players, manufactured only by the Berliner Gram-O-Phone Company and out-of-business in 1900. The word persisted incorrectly as a colloquialism after that. In Great Britain, ‘gramophone’ (with a lower-case ‘g’) persists to this day as a colloquialism to describe any disc record player; but in the US it describes only Berliner products (again, with an upper-case ‘G’)
@@Phono-fun Discogs (prob from Wikipedia) puts usefully Emile (or Emil) Berliner was a German-born American inventor. Born: 20 May 1851 in Hanover, Kingdom Of Hanover (now Germany). Died: 3 August 1929 in Washington, D.C., USA (aged 78). Berliner is best known for developing the disc record gramophone (phonograph in American English). He founded the "United States Gramophone Company" in 1893, "The Berliner Gramophone Company" in 1895, "The Gramophone Company" in London, England in 1897, "Deutsche Grammophon" in Hanover, Germany in 1898, and "Berliner Gram-o-phone Company of Canada" in Montreal in 1899 (chartered in 1904).
thank you for making this video. i did not know the difference between playback styles/technologies. i have the chance to buy an Edison phonograph. i'm guessing i should? what are they worth?
Better get out the tester. Actually the first time I heard a cylinder and an early gramaphone was at a radio museum last year. You know what really amazed me was the volume but also the fact the an actual voice from a person directly made those groves on the cylinder. I never had a 78 stylus to play those 78s without tons of noise. I just figured they sounded really bad. So it's actually a war of formats back then. Some things never change.
Nice A100. Introduced in early 1915. And was a good seller! But be careful with that reproducer, the diamond tip can be ruined if handled to ruff!! Edison first offered his version of a disc. player in late 1912 and stopped making Diamond Disc. in Oct. 1929.
Very cool. These must be post WW1. Who needs a Quartz lock anyways? I didn't particulary like Opera music, but if you give it a chance it really grows on you. The 3 tenors on cd is quite nice.
I believe this one is pre ww1 i guess the serial number would tell. The diamond disp players were popular in the late teens and into early 20s. Changed to a longer play design by changing the groove pitch and that made the records incomparable. The 1 vertical cut record I have was a long play record and this player is not long play. Try to play it and well it drags the needle over the tracks and it skips forward and probably doesn't do the record any good.
Its just a standard steel needle. What type phonograph you using? The Edison that i have used a special reproducer for Edison records only. I bought an after market for regular 78
Everything is copyrighted. Copyright holder has the right to copy, nobody else does. So if you create something you have the right to copy and sell or lease those copies and or license someone else to use your content. Nobody else can copy the content. Copyright laws changed about 40 years ago but all the content produced before that date had copyrights renewed. 70 years after the artist dies copyrights expire. Not 70 years after publishing. So for example the Beatles catalog will become public domain 70 years after Paul McCartney dies as he bought all the rights back. Even long dead artists content can still have copyright as companies that own the rights can choose to rerelease the material and renew copyright. I am not a lawyer, however this is how it was explained to me by a copyright lawyer. My 1930 Walt Disney mickeymouse 8mm film is for example still covered by copyright. The Disney Corp renews all rights. The film would never be shown by the company either as it is actually quite racist by today's standards. I was clipped by fox for showing a 10 second clip from a super 8 sound film short which was highlights from the movie those men and their magnificent flying machines. This was a 1965 feature. 55 years later and the video I showed the clip in was blocked world wide.
I would’ve imagined you wouldn’t have a problem playing long segments of those older records because they’d probably outlived the copyright by this point. Maybe not and I’m just completely wrong lmao.
Is there like... a cat water fountain running in the room or something? Haha... Edit: also, if you think that's loud... you should try playing some of the later (electrically recorded) 78s on that machine, or any Victrola-style horn phonograph. It's actually deafening. Like, probably "hearing damage" loud.
The not coolest thing is placing an Aeolian hill and dale recording on the turntable and trying to play it with a lateral pickup. Then playing the atrocious early thirties electrical Victor recording.
Yes because if a record company reissues then they can copyright it again. Many will allow the copyright to expire and others renew. What I might do is record a few and upload to a test account and see what happens. If they don't trigger a match upload to my channel. I have a bag of 100 needles on order so will try out a few records once they arrive. I'll put them up on a test account and let them simmer for awhile and see what happens. Some I'm sure we'll be okay however a few months back when I was going through that big box of 78 records that I was given and I played a few of them I got hit with copyright claims and had to redo the video to remove them so I know that some will get hit because some copyrights even though the recording was made 100 years ago were renewed back in the seventies
Diamond stylus, and a mechanical gear driven tracking of the stylus, so no side wear on the groove. No skipping either. Higher fidelity for the time. The down side was the records were 1/4" thick and were heavy.
Gramophone was an English or European reference for an acoustically amplified medium mechanical player. My grandfather had a model of Edison like this one, except there were drawers for record storage underneath the horn, and two doors. We here in the states always called them phonographs and I never heard anyone correcting us on it. I hope you still have the grille that covers the horn, as I recall you lifted up, tilted out the bottom, and pulled it out of the groove. The grille cloth was a fine material like silk, as I don't think they had nylon until the 30's or 40's?
@@12voltvids Can not find anything conclusive on that on the internet. Seems to be interchangeable terms and up for debate. Just peoples opinions, which as you know everyone has one. Tomato, tomato, Potato, potato.
Yes, I read that. Emile Berliner "coined" the phrase gramophone for his spiral flat record, Gramophone caught on in some countries, Germany, UK, and Canada, and did not catch on in others. Could not find any patent information or trade name documentation to clarify anything official, that was my point. I am still digging, got me on a mission. When did it cease to be gramophone and become phonograph again? Sometime around WWII. When did phonograph get shortened to phono? When did a record player become a turntable? Call a stylus a needle and you will really get the audiophiles ticked off.
@@zulumax1 but in the case of these old units it was literally a needle, not a rock on the end of a hollow very light aluminum tube with either magnets or could attached to it.
@@12voltvids Good :-D Too old to be copyrighted, or the distortion confused youtube. It's amazing what people acheaved so far back in time. Quite impressive.
@@zx8401ztv one of the big problems is most of the record companies that owned the copyrights to these old recordings have put them up on RU-vid themselves. This creates an automatic content ID to whoever posted the original. If I posted a record that had never been posted before content ID would point to me as being the Creator and anybody else that posted it would get a copyright match. The same goes for the concert that I worked on back in 1980 featuring Chuck Berry. I obviously don't hold the copyright to Chuck Berry's music but I do hold the copyright to that version because I uploaded it first. If someone copies that video and posts it they get a match and any revenue their video generates actually goes to me. With these old recordings it may not be a copyright strike but it certainly is a content ID match and the revenue goes to whoever uploaded the content. In most cases it's the record company or whoever took over for that record company that holds that material in their archive. Now one can always go the route of claiming that the music is in public domain, the problem is RU-vid doesn't police this, they send the dispute to whoever the copyright match was made to and they decide whether they're going to release it and allow someone else to use it or there whether they're going to uphold their claim and when that happens the other person doesn't just get a copyright match and lose the ad revenue they get a copyright strike. That is why I would never dispute if I put a clip up of an old record and someone made a copyright claim I would mute the audio as opposed to letting them take the revenue for my video and I would never dispute because the other person could be a prick and insist that they hold the rights and then a copyright strike gets issued. Copyright matches are baby shit compared to that because they don't count against your channel whereas a full strike does. Get three strikes and RU-vid takes your channel down and you lose all your subscribers. It's not worth the risk. This is why when I play music it's only royalty free that I have licensed so that if some crook tries to make a claim I have the paperwork from music bakery to back up my license and get the claim reversed. Now here's a funny one because you see I could upload these records to my test RU-vid account which is on a completely separate IP and a completely separate computer and if they don't get a claim then that content Believe it or not belongs to me. If I then upload it on my main channel I will get a copyright match and my other account will get notified that someone uploaded content that belongs to my other account. You have to remember people get mad at RU-vid for these content ID matches. RU-vid is actually not doing anything other than matching the content both video and audio and photographs for that matter. What happens when a content match is made depends entirely on the other person. When someone reuses my content without first explicitly getting permission from me and that generally means making a donation to my channel and I am notified of it I have the content removed from the other person's account. There are many instances where there is my content that is available on other people's channels, most of it is the old movie films that my father-in-law shot. I've had many requests to use some of that footage of the old cars and old scenery pictures from the 1950s and 60s. I get a request from someone wanting to use it I tell them to make a donation to my channel and get a few bucks in my PayPal account and they're free to use it that's how it works now they've licensed content I own. If someone takes it like that twit did last year and just used it well he found out the hard way that his was taken down and he received a copyright strike. This bozo tried to dispute it and made another video about it using footage from my channel and he found that he got a second copyright strike all within 48 hours. If he wanted to use that 30-second clip all he had to do is ask and make a small donation to my channel and he could have used it without all the headaches and he created for himself. But bonehead decided he was going to use it without asking and then try to claim that the footage was public domain. Last time I checked having the physical film copy in my possession makes it original content.
