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Ryan righted himself, but the 7x64 is closer to the 280 Rem than the 7mm rem mag. It’s very close dimensionally to the 280 as well. I bought a Sako 85 Bavarian in it and I can’t tell a difference in performance between my 280 rem 700 mtn rifle. Both are very balanced rounds

9.3x62 another great european round. Arguable the most underrated round ever. Works great on everything from deer to elephant

Here in South Africa we tend to have a very sweet spot for the 7mm bore diameter with regards to the 7x57 and more over the 7x64 of late. With so much history dating back to the Anglo-Boer war, the Boers used the Mauser 98 chambered in 7x57 to great extend and effectiveness over the British Lee-Enfield .303. The 7x57 was used by the Boers for basically everything, from fighting wars to putting food on the table to protecting against wild animals like leopards, lions, elephants, buffalo, hippos, you name it. Today it is still considered to be a very fine and capable cartridge that can take down just about every game specie outside dangerous game here. From thick bushveld hunting with 175gr thumpers to open plains game with 140gr bullets, the 7x64 can and will do it as Ryan said "modestly" without being overly destructive. As with .30 caliber bore also being very popular here, it doesn't hit home like the 7mm's do as it is common here to hunt big game with a smaller caliber. .222-50 and .243 frequently put some big game on the dinner tables here. A little history of the 7x64, the 7x64 Brenneke was designed by Wilhelm Brenneke as a possible replacement cartridge for the German Empire during WW 1. Unfortunately for the Germans, the war ended before Brenneke's design could take hold and had to be left aside until the outbreak of WW 2 where he presented his design to the Nazi military command as a replacement to the 8x57 as it was ballisticly superior to the 8x57. The Nazi Military command kept with the 8x57 as their standard military issue and Brenneke's design had be side shelved again until the end of the war. After WW 2, military cartridges were deemed illegal for civilian possession as surplus military rifles were available at the time. The 7x64 was then introduced as a replacement option on the civilian market and quickly became one of the most popular calibers on the European continent as it's ballistic and terminal performance was superior to many other available calibers at the time. It's a ballistic twin to the .280 Rem, a necked down 30-06 case with a slightly longer neck to accomodate the longer, more ballistic coefficient bullets that the .284 calibers offer with almost the same powder charge as from a 30-06 with less recoil and felt effort. Just thought I'd babble a bit on this amazing cartridge. I absolutely have a love affair with 7mm bore diameter. I think my wife is jealous of that fact.🤣🤣 Thanks for the awesome work you guys put into your channel. Really enjoy the reviews. Keep up the good work. Greeting from South Africa🇿🇦

How about the 8x68S, the "German Magnum"? An older round, with a pretty modern design.

European here, everyone around here is using the 7x64 for years. They just love it. The only "issue" is the need of a long barrel, with a can it is a pretty long rig.

Hi Gents, thanks for this review, I live out here in South Africa and my CZ 7x64 is my go to hunting rifle out here in South Africa, I have used it to hunt everything from the small Duiker up to and including Eland. It is real easy to reload the cartridge and will group anything from 140gr up, in my case, 162gr. My entire family, wife, both sons and daughter in law have used this rifle to bag their first animals. The rifle is great at distance and pretty flat shooting out to 500yards. It has a great following out here in South Africa and I really hope we could get some reloading DOPE from folks from Hodgon, Nosler etc. Thanks again guys, 7x64 not only in Europe but great here in South Africa

Gotta say, 6.5 Grendel in an 18-20” barrel is a handy little rifle for deer to 300, pronghorn to 400. But I love me some 243 Win! It works for lots of things!

The Rimmed Version ist a bit different cause it is a 7x65R The 7x64 is more the 280 Rem. Normally the 7x64 is really versatile from Roe to Moose no Problem and most Rifles handle up to 177gn Bullets and it has no Belt it is easy to Reload and like a 30.06 or 270Win no Problems Brass and Fabric Ammo is everywhere available

We need a video on 8x57J/JS! Great stuff guys 👍

Whenever you guys go back to old American hunting cartridges, I have three suggestions: 250 Savage- first smokeless cartridge to hit 3000fps, and the parent case of the 22-250 Remington. Originally offered in the Savage 99 and Savage 1920. 300 Savage- First attempt at equaling the 30-06 in a short action, and the inspiration (or parent case) of the 308 Winchester. Originally offered in the savage 99 and savage 1920. 400 Whelen- wildcat by Townsend Whelen, a 30-06 necked up to use 405 Winchester bullets. Use 30-06 basic cases or 35 Whelen cases. Using normal 30-06 cases will result in headspace issues (from what I’ve read). From what I can find, only ever offered in custom Griffin and Howe rifles.

Big fan of this cartridge. I’d love to see a video of a 9.3x62/9.3x74r or a 300 Norma. Big fan of the cartridge talk by the way 👍🏽

British here 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 I’ve shot the 7 x 64 Brennecke at driven wild boar in Croatia in the winter.The 7 x 64 is a cartridge that is in between a .270 and a 3006. It has the fast flat trajectory of a 270 Winchester and the thump of a 3006. I would not put it up there as far as a 7 mm Remington Magnum but more the 3006. And yes it is very popular among mainland Europe, not as much in Britain but mainland Europe it most certainly is, I think it is the preferred cartridge as it will take any European game. I speculate on this next point but I think it was made 7mm because the legal calibre requirement for shooting certain game in Germany was 7 mm and the only 7 mm I know that existed I believe during the last century was the 7 x 57 mm Mauser, so basically Brenneke gave it a bigger explosive charge for the same bullet. It, the 7x64 may have been used in ww2, i did read an article about it online but I can’t remember if it was or not.

Greetings from 🇷🇸 7x64 with barrel 24 inches and 140gr bullets is for small to medium game and with 175gr bullets is for big game hunting (wild boars in Balkan countries are very big, males are 300-400 pounds). And 7x64 have very mild recoil equal to 308 but the energy of 7 Remington Magnum. So, the popularity of 7x64mm is in 7 pounds rifle, soft in shoulder, long range capable and lot of knock down power 😉

The three of you always just crack me up! Always entertaining and usually educating, keep em' coming :)

Think you guys could do the 7 SAUM at some point?

Love this guys!! Now it's time for the talk on the 7.82 Lazzaroni Warbird!!! Coolest named cartridge on the planet.

.243 is the king here in the UK... I shoot a 6.5PRC and consistently get asked why I use "so much gun".

I would like a cartridge comparison with the 8 mm Remington mag. I think that cartridge is way underrated. And because of marketing it just didn't even go anywhere. Thanks for your time

What's your thoughts on the 6.5x284 Norma?

In South Africa you also find the most hunters on the Modest Cartridge size side. Theres also very few animals that won't fall over with a .270 - .308 that is affordable for the average Joe Hunter. Even an Eland will reliably expire on a regular .308win or 30-06.

How about talking about the 10.3s like the 10.3x60 and it’s newer sibling like the 10.3x68. In a region of Switzerland the minimal caliber permitted is the 10.2 but the majority use the 10.3x60. Would de something different 😉

Danish listener here... (Jimmy, you know the small awesome country, north of Germany, that used to be vikings 😉) do a Europe vs US huntingtradition, rifle, cartridge, law comparison. That would be fun! One of the most obvious differences I see in Europe, is that we use wooden furniture rifles, like Sauer 202 ect, and classic break action shotguns (side by side and over and under). We don't use a lot of "Black guns" like ARs for hunting.... it isn't well seen upon. And there is a lot of optic snobbery... Zeiss, Khales, Pecar, Smidt & Bendner scopes being huge over here...

In Europe also popular are: 9,3x62Mauser 9,3x74R And the relativ new 8,5x55Blaser, it has interesting performance with relatively short Barrels and its well to suppresse. Nice greetings from Germany

would love to hear about another European cartridge namely the 10.3x68

I have one in a old Zastava Mauser 98 style rifle. 7 x64 Brenneke is the best all around cartridge. It is the most popular caliber in Europe. Flat shooting wide range of bullet weights available.

A cartridge that comes with a lot of interesting stories is the Martini Henry. There's a few caliber options for it but it has its place in European and African history (for good and bad) like our 45-70s and 30-30s. Both being conquerers of continents

Yes please. Not a duel, a compare and contrast. The last frackus we had with our European friends was a little shindig they threw back in the '40s. I believe the sharp and hart is the 7x61 based on the 30-06 case. That would be another interesting one to see a show on. Great work as always guys!

I would love to hear Ryan's wealth of knowledge on the .458 SOCOM. It is just so much fun to shoot and it is what got me started on my reloading ventures.

Very nice gentlemen. There's a little cartridge you may have heard about; the 25 Creedmoor. You may want to do a video on it.

I managed to find a mannlicher schoenauer GK in 7x64 Brenneke, it's probably one of the finest guns i've ever shot. It's a shame steyr doesn't make those actions anymore.

Bring on the big guns, already asked but 416 rigby, 458 Lott, and the various Nitro express calibres, I am certain I’ll never fire any of them let alone own one but they’re intriguing nonetheless. 👍🏻

Speaking of 7 Rem Mag, when are we getting an episode?

Ryan I met you at the outdoor show and spoke about owning this in a Sako. Great cartridge that I've hunted with for years. Able to load 120 to 177 with ease. Components are fairly easy to come by and inexpensive along with ammo as well. The only issue is the limited load data available. The tapered case allows it to load very smoothly. If you come across one, don't hesitate to buy it. Also, check out the 8x64, 9.3x64, and the bullets Mr. Brenneke invented. Decades ahead of his time.

It´s very intressting discussion, especially what Ryan mention regarding European calibers. I´m located in Sweden, and shoot over 40 moose and hundreds of Wildboar, fallowdeer, Stags and so on, most taken by 6.5x55SE, some by 8x57IS and some with 7x64. The calibers is diffrent in the sence of speed. Great podacast

35 whelen VS 9.3x62

Let’s chat about the .358 Norma Mag!

It’s not quite to a 7mm RM, but is essentially a .280 Rem equivalent. In fact, the two are extremely similar in dimensions. The sharper shoulder of the 7x64 makes it just barely outperform the .280 in an equivalent barrel length. Both are excellent and date I say some of the best.

Y'all have to do a 10 minute talk on the 45-70 Auto!!!

Just purchased a CZ 557 in 7X64 here in South Africa. Great cartridge. 7mm .30-06 aka 280 Rem.

Yes, the 7x 64 case is basically the same as the 280 not the 7mm rem mag 🤦🏻‍♂️. Come on, I thought you were suppose to be an expert....

The Wehrmacht wanted to adopt the 7x64mm Brenneke as a sniper round in 1935, but it was decided that the 7.92x57mm Mauser had good enough performances and they didn't want to change calibers for logistical reasons as well.

If you think Blazer are good, take a look at Strasser Rifles. I also think you should have a talk about the 9.3x62. You could hunt anything anywhere and never be over or under gunned. Love the show. Please do not ever stop getting off topic and going way over time.

List of most populair PRS cartridges. EU VS USA

I think the closest American analog to the 7x64 is the 270 Winchester, which in European nomenclature is 6.9x63.

The suppressors or silencers are not allowed in Spain. Spain is a good Hunting Paradise. Thanks for your fantastics podcasts.

Guys, it's a bit slower than the 7 rem mag. It's between the Remington and the 270. Win. It's very versatile from fox to red deer.

But what about that sweet sweet 41. Remington Magnum?

Speaking of European cartridges... When y'all gonna cover the 9.3x62?

The advantage of the 7x64 over the 280 right now is ammo cost. Ammo inflation has hit the european calibers a lot less. Picking these calibers that are produced by S&B, PPU, and Norma will save you some money. 280 running about $1.75 or more a round. 7x64 will run less than $1

"Im drawing blanks guys"yes you are ...infact your 280 rem is more alike!

Shorter rifles are preferable in Europe because they swing somewhat easy for action shooting on driven wild boar, but would also be handy in a tight highseat with shots usually inside 150 meters! Cheers!

I hunt hooved mammals almost exclusively with the 7x64. It is an excellent medium bore chambering that I’ve used on everything from feral hogs to Whitetail to Rocky Mountain elk (wapiti). I chose the 7x64 because I was interested in a 280 class rifle but the German rifles I prefer don’t chamber 280 - they all chamber 7x64 so there’s no need. And I had seen it in action in Europe. I’ve used it for years past and will use it for many years to come.

The classic 300 win mag deserves a turn!

You guys need to do one on 338-06. Ryan would like the performance for big stuff just like the 338wm with out the recoil punch.

I have a 340wby almost the same as this right. I'm not sure cause there was not a 10 min talk yet 🤔

Is the 300 savage the .30 cal version of the 6.5 creedmore? Can you load some of the longer heavier pills without losing case capacity like the .308? Is 30 degree shoulder kind of the sweet spot across the board for the most efficient bullet to start with if you are getting started with precision and reloading?

I want to hear about the 300 Win mag and the 7mm Rem Mag. I know Ryan loves the 7mm mag!

Mark and Jim please do a 10 minute talk on the good 'ol .30-40 Krag. Ryan does like .30-40!

Also popular here is South Africa and there is a 9,3x64 Brenneke as well , compares to the 9.3x62 Mauser

Yeah the 7x64 seems to fall between 280 rem and 280 ai in performance, with the 280 ai beating it by ~200 fps in 140 gr bullets.

Why are you saying it’s the German 7mm Rem Mag, isn’t it almost similar to the .270 Win?

Maybe a video on barrel twist. The newer 1:8 ish Vs the traditional 1:10 ish. Bullet weight and b.c. related to twist...

It is more equivalent to your 280 rem and it was intended to be a german (sniper) military cartridge (but never was). Brenneke also designed the hunting bullet for that cartridge (TIG/TUG) which haven't high BC but are long and heavy. Hence the long free-bore and gentle angle of the junction cone.

Would like to see the showdown with older and modern cartridges of the European vs. American varieties

A Hamburger is, of course, a resident of Hamburg.

Another cool cartridge but i can’t say it’s cooler than a 10mm auto witch should be a 10 minute talk someday 10minutes for 10mm

338/06 please

6.5-300 Weatherby please I would love to hear your thoughts on another 6.5 that blows creed more out of the water

Give it like just for the Colin McRae shirt!

If you can’t find 30-06 brass you can fire form from 7 x 64 brass.

Do a talk on the 9.3X64 Brenneke

You guys should do a Cartridge talk on the Cheytac family

I just ran bitch cat through the translator 7 Hündin Katze

Have you done 7.5 Swiss or 17 and 22 hornet

We have Putenschnitzel 😂☝🏻

I’m pushing 168g Berger’s 3100 out of my 7RM and 180s at 2950. Both are not hot loads. 28” barrel though. I would do almost anything for Ryan to say something nice about the 7 Rem Mag. Lol

Would love to hear a talk on 7.5x55 Swiss

Please do a 10 minute talk on the 300 Savage, the original 300

I love how everyone tries to say that Brenneke was "experimenting with extending the Mauser case" right around the time that a bunch of Yanks started dropping extended Mauser cases all over the place from Springfields that were killing Germans. Brenneke necked the -06 up to 8mm, it didn't sell, then he improved the shoulder a bit and necked it down to 7, and made a small fortune. TO say he reinvented what Springfield had done 15 years earlier doesn't make a lot of sense.

8mm rem mag! It is time to talk about it

Love the idea of an underrated overrated cartridge video. And I submit the 284 Winchester and 280 Remington as two of the most underrated American cartridges ever made.

thoughs on 8.6 Blackout

Between 270 and 3006?

458 Socom please

Jimmy went so red 🤣

That cartridge is probably the twin of the 280 Rem. Except here, the 280 never caught on. We were seduced by the 7mm Rem Mag and never looked at 280 seriously even though the 280 does pretty much the same thing with one more round capacity and more civil recoil that is cheaper and in lighter rifles. I still don't understand the 280 AI. Just go with the Rem Mag. The 280 AI has been getting more love than the 280 lately from the ammunition manufacturers and rifle buyers and I don't understand it. I think the 280 was abandoned for no good reason except maybe the lower performing ammo at its inception. But once the cartridge designation snafu was over with, it should have seen greater acceptance and the perfect cartridge between the 270 and 30-06 it has always been. BTW, I don't own one, I have a 7mm-08.

Im from South Africa shoot with a Sako 7x64 Brenneke killed springbuck up to eland ..Hard and flat shooting 150gr eldx cruising at 3000Fps ... all my other guns collecting dust in safe.. shot over a 100+ kudus with 7x64 drops them like a cow drops shit in the road ...

270 weatherby next up

Germany here, the 7x64 is a good cartridge, but it's dying. Since there aren't to many lead free loads available that outperform .308 and .30-06

If I had a cartridge request, I'd like to hear you speak about the 7.5 X 55 Swede.

30-378 weatherby ten minute talk

Some European countries do not allow military ammunition for civilian use.

7x64, 3006, 270 same case different cal.

Why hate on the 7mm Rem mag? 7mm 150 pills aren't too far off the 300 short mag 150 pills considering down range ballistics and using less of Imr4350 per bullet. Requested: 7mm rem mag for a 10 min talk

Challenge accepted

8x68 vs .338 Win

6.5x55 Swedish?

Potato lobbers are popular across the pond medium velocity 9.3 57 i want one.in swiss husky

8mm Mauser vs 30-06

Wait.wait.wait.... The 7 Rem mag isn't Thor's hammer? 140 grain soft points or tipped at 3300 fps = not much calculating holdover out to 400 yards and very dead deer. No tracking skills required. C'mon Ryan get with the program man!