12 Gauge: The Most Versatile Cartridge In Existence? 

That's one way to cope I guess.

That’s some European copium

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​@LupusMechanicus 😂😂😂

Plenty of people have washed out their mouths with buckshot....but never lived to tell about it.

I was not aware of him shutting down the lead facility, but that makes a lot of sense with the prices going up. I’lol have to check out that choke. I have had an extended one made by truglo in the past, but it shifted my pattern so much that I haven’t looked at them since. I don’t think I’ll try the load you mentioned, but definitely intriguing

Does the metro barel extension come equipped with a man bun too? Or is that extra. 😂

My Uncle said the same thing decades ago. Now that I'm older, he was right.

I don't think much of chamber adapters. They're really hard to use in anything but a break open action, such as a single shot, or a double barrel. Also, you have to find out where the thing is going to shoot, and if you remove the adapter, it'll have a new point of aim when you put it back in. They're really more of a gimmick, not really something particularly useful or effective.

That is true. From what I seen, they really haven’t sold very well, but they certainly are useful in a pinch.

@@halfcirclehranch6877 Yeah, they're more of a "Apocalypse" type of thing.

OGs Danger Show is another good one.

I’ll have to check those out

ironic that they call it buckshot and you can't hunt deer with it. Same here still where I live.

Makes no sense why buckshot wouldn't be legal. I love hunting with buckshot, it's legal where I am, does the job very well, but also works great in the nasty thick brush you need a large heavy caliber rifle for like a 45-70 ect.

Mossberg 590s has you covered

There are also companies that make little rubber wedge adapters that can be attached to the elevator of some pump shotguns to increase reliability when feeding short shells, though I forget the name of the company.

@@Peacekeeper01A Opsol 👍👍

That’s actually the theory behind shotgun chokes such as the Patternmaster code black duck/goose. They are wad stripping but have no compression. They are able to throw tight patterns.

That is strange. I wonder if chokes mess with the shape of the pellets which could change their trajectory

I think that is the reason for it. I’ve used a full choke for years and, when I switched to a Patternmaster, my patterns stayed about the same size. With the Patternmaster, the choke grips the back of the shot cup, so the pellets fly ahead of the shot cup out the barrel. I’m guessing the tight pattern is because the pellets don’t get deformed and the wad doesn’t interfere with pellet flight. Seems to work well for me.

All the reason why it's important to pattern your shotgun and the preferred load you intend to use. With an 870 just using regular remchokes, I've seen some weird anomalies happen with various shots/brands of ammunition. I was using some Winchester high velocity field loads for small game, kept missing squirrels about 30 yards away. Shot at a piece of cardboard about 25 yards and the shot spread over the entire piece of 3'x3' cardboard, with a modified choke! I used imp mod and got the same, full wasn't much better. Tried some Remington filed loads and the pattern was denser at the same range with modified choke, then switched to full and it was smaller and denser on that 3'x3' sheet. Been using that combo ever since and last year I stacked them squirrels up in my freezer. Even got a nice big fox squirrel out of a tree about 40-50 yards away on the first shot. Only problem I had were the squirrels that were close like 10-15 yards away, shot a little red squirrel and practically blew it apart....oops🤷.

That's only if you install a choke that's too constricted for buckshot I've gotten best results with improved cylinder choke.

They need a fully rifled barrel to be effective. They are smaller in diameter. He covered that in the video.

Red Faux, I did get that. But they do make chokes that are rifled that you can throw in a smooth bore shotgun for slugs. So, when the sabot/slug reach the end of the barrel, they start twisting to stabilize the projectile. I’m just wondering if anyone has experience with this and if those chokes can rotate the sabot enough to stabilize it.

@@stephenparchewski1998 - I won't guess. God luck with that one. I would assume not tho. I would think more than half an inch would be required to get it going.

​@@stephenparchewski1998 your best bet is to get some of whatever you're looking at an test them. Just like in rifles, not every load shoots the same out of every gun/barrel. Even perfectly identical ones will do different things with the exact same load. Whether or not it stabilizes and gives acceptable groups involves a lot of variables. The choice of hull, primer, powder, wad, projectile and sabot design. If the sabot just rotates around the outside of the projectile without grabbing it, then spin won't help. If it's not a clean release from the sabot, then it won't be precise. Assuming it functions as designed, spin stability is dependent upon RPM. RPM of a projectile is dependent upon twist rate and velocity. You can see this with people shooting heavy for cartridge bullets, lower velocities it'll be unstable, higher velocities in the same gun/barrel will start to stabilize it. There is no "standard" for twist of any caliber, but especially scatter gats. So if you want to know the twist of your choke or barrel, you can try asking the manufacturer, but you're better off just measuring it(shocker manufacturers lie nearly as much as politicians). I want to say that most twist rates in scatter gats are in the ballpark of 1 in 35 but you'll have to check your own. Additionally even if a barrel and rifled choke have the exact same twist rate(chokes are often slower twist though) the projectile will have less RPM out of the choke, than the same twist rifled barrel. Which many be good or bad. Hell, the sabots may shoot best out of a smooth bore, or may shoot crappy out of everything(wouldn't be the first gimmick from ammo companies), or great out of everything. This all also depends on your definition of precision. 6" group at 100yrds vs 1" group, ect... Honestly, you're better off hand loading, but if you're stuck with factory ammo, you can work with that, it's just more than double the price. For example, my Turkey loads are less than $0.75 each and outperform winchester long beard XR that cost around $2.50 each. At the end of the day, testing it in your setup is the ONLY way to know...

Never used the rifled choke for sabot slugs. I would think due to such short rifling, it won't help much, not like having a rifled barrel. If your shots are 150 yards or less, just use normal rifled/foster slugs. For what 12 gauge sabot slugs cost and the limited usability of a rifled shotgun barrel, I would rather just use a muzzleloader at that point, much more accurate and cheaper to shoot. I guess I just refuse to own a rifled shotgun 🤷.

That 30 round drum has a weigh a ton!

That 8 gauge sounds like a handful

You get used to it after 3 years but it kicks harder than the 10 gauge model 179 h&r a lot harder but it's a good squirrel gun 💥

The Remington 870 Supermag is what I have and use. No complaints with it. I’m a retired police officer and the Remington 870 is all we relied on for shotguns.

870 supermag is what I have like the previous commenter. It's very reliable and eats everything I feed it. Granted, since those are harder to find and can be a little pricey, the Mossberg 935 or something like that is also a 3.5" chambered shotgun, which I'm sure is still in production and cheaper as well. Otherwise you will look into waterfowl/turkey shotguns which are 3.5" chambering, pumps and semiautos alike, but those can get real pricey depending on the make and model.

I missed the chance of an ostrich or big bird lol

Lol, very true

@@bananaballistics great minds think alike 👍🦊🐾🇬🇧🇺🇲

I wish I knew more about why that is a requirement of theirs

Depending on the load, I have seen them increase spread like you mentioned. Not sure how consistent it is.

I’ve heard that about rifled barrels, opening up shot patterns. Not sure about a rifled choke though. For .22 birdshot, they make smooth bore .22 cal rifles that are supposed to help keep .22 birdshot from spreading fast. Guess the same could apply to shotguns.

In a Finnish huntig magazine I read rifled chokes were originaly invented for birdshot, to get a wider pattern.

That sounds like a good lineup

Have a bunch, but it doesn’t seem to do as well at extended ranges with steel shot

@@bananaballistics it's good for home defense in my opinion

It is pretty strange. Seems to be an ongoing cycle

@@bananaballistics to say the least It's very darn suspicious

The 2nd amendment came before the "28th" I think I know which one I'm following and teaching my kids to follow you can't add amendments and expect people to just start following it

@@matortiz2322 Yeah you can't change the lot on the whim it's like they're trying to do what ATF does just with our basic rights

3x easier to use, right?

Good point. I'm surprised they aren't more popular. I figure it makes sense to start my 14yr old with something like 4 gauge, then work her way up to the 12 guage. The smaller guns are surprisingly expensive though...

Rekire…a 4 gauge is HUGE compared to a 12 gauge. The smaller the number, the bigger the bore size.

@@stephenparchewski1998 yep, they got it backwards!😊

I checked…a 4 gauge shotshell is 1/4” wider than a 12 gauge shotshell. I think they shoot a 3 ounce payload or something like that. Good luck trying to find a 4 gauge…

I think ure gay, or female.

I can’t argue with that

It all about the right load and choke, not bore size.

How have i eaten squirrel and rabbit then?

@@DevinAlden I'm giving advice it's up to you to try my advice or not for every squirrel you shoot there's meat being lost some people will only squirrel hunt with a 410 it's America you do you just try not to be snarky next time somebody is giving advice there's the guy giving advice and the Nazi telling you what you're supposed to do sorry if I confused you on my point I made