Exactly. Car thiefs always say that it's pointless to steal cars with certain security systems - just because it's faster to find another car without one.
Y'know, despite being rake-able, the fact that you can actually disable the locking mechanism from the inside probably makes this one of the safer home locks I've seen on this channel. It's kind of surprising now that I think about it... why isn't this a more common feature?
For many locks (in my area) you can't insert a key from both sides all the way, so if you are inside, you just leave the key in. I don't know if it could be still picked from the outside
This type of lock used to be very popular in Scotland and is still in fairly regular use on older doors, we called them snibs but their real name is a night latch.
@@slanahesh that sounds quite interesting! I have stayed in Scotland for over 5 years now, but haven't seen one of them, however I find it quite cool and it sounds like a decent idea. Guess you learn something every day.
Lockpicking in games and movies: Very delicate, very careful, it could break if you stress it a little The Lockpicking Lawyer: *just wiggle that shit around a little*
So despite being an easy rake, it still takes a master lockpicker over a minute to get it open. This is honestly one of the best performing locks ever featured here.
Unfortunately, most people in Taiwan (myself included) rarely bother to lock it four time. We only do it when we go on long vacation and won't be back for about a week. That's plenty of time for thieves to work with.
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Imagine how terrifying it would be to be on the inside while this is being picked. The rakes chattering in the lock followed by a large, ominous, clunk. Three times, and on the fourth the door swings open... "This is the Lock picking lawyer"
honestly from all the others im confident on this lock you literally can deny last pick permission by flipping a knob on the other side of the lock. Imagine how frustrating it would be for the lockpicker spending all that time
@@harre0267 what if you are infinity brain and set up a simple electronic system to allow turning the knob from your phone or something? Or maybe even make it a proximity thing.
I feel like one of the biggest things that would keep this from being picked is that the attacker probably won’t know it has to be picked 4 times. They might just think it’s not actually working and give up.
A lot of door locks in Taiwan have that type of design where you have to turn the key multiple times, so a potential attacker would probably be familiar with that type of system.
@@lettuce7378 Taiwan is basically china, and all the way back to ancient china there has been the use of multi mechanism locks. China didn't really have any notable locksmithing knowledge compared to other places in the world, so basic mechanism locks for large scale things were adapted into a smaller scale concept. Notable the Tang dynasty brought more things to China, like advanced lock mechanisms, with physical historical proof of the Li family hiring a foreign locksmith to design a vault-like structure for their catacombs..
@@lettuce7378 because most of the apartments were built at the 80s, the criminal rate were horribly high at that time period, so most of them have iron bars on their windows, and choose the locks that look complicated, with unusual key shape. and then it became a standard, most of the doors are designed for these kinds of locks now.
@@wezu4972 Lockpickinging is insanely hard. This man is incredibly skilled, there is absolutely no one on the street doing crime with this skillset, you'd have no reason to as you could make a good living as a locksmith. 100% of street criminals carry bolt cutters or a brick for your window.
Yeah there's a lock that was made a while ago like 60 or 70 years ago with the words if you can pick this you win 60 shillings the lock was picked 50 years after took the guy a week with special lighting the lock was picked but no normal picker could open it
This is so relatable. I am from Taiwan. When I was a kid, the lock of my home needed to be turned 2 times to unlock, which was considered as safe since other locks only needed to be turned one time. When I grew a bit older, my parents replaced the lock with a new one that needed to be turned 3 times to open the door, and I was thinking, "Damn. This is some high-tech stuff," at the moment. Now I see a lock from Taiwan that need to be turn 4 times here. I feel that I'm truly living in the future right now. Lol
Maybe in the future, we'll see Taiwanese locks needing to turn 9 times. We might need a key that automatically turns 9 rounds. If they turn 10 times, the lock is reset.
If this man was a serial killer, that would literally be the most frightening thing ever. You hide in a warehouse, locking yourself behind a sturdy door and turning the key that a careless worker left behind. You take a breath of relief. Then you hear the door jiggle while they turn the handle. You laugh in triumph. Then you hear the rattling of metal, and "binding on one. Binding on two Nothing on three"
to offset a potential thief lock it only 3 times so he wont be able to pick the 4th time and struggle until he can realize that hes an idiot and will just walk off in shame :D
Indeed. Security pins would have made the lock much better (even if LPL would have picked in just 20-30s more), but I still find it a decent lock. Was very disappoint when all he used was rakes, though.
I think this lock is still viable, not only cause of the really useful knob on the back, but because the time it takes to rake the lock 4 times means the potential intruder will be sitting outside picking for a good couple of seconds, meaning that any passerby or homeowner is more likely to notice and run the would-be intruder off
Exactly what I was thinking too. If I am inside, I have the knob to thwart any intruders. If I am away and the lock is being picked, a neighbor would hopefully hear it during the time it takes to do all four times.
That would be pretty annoying. Imagine going out of your flat and immediately waking everyone else up for no reason.. there should be a loud alarm that goes off every time it detects something else than the key inside the hole. Easily achieved via electronic tagging or mechanics.
When I saw the length of the video and he was already half way in with his explaination, I thought about writing a smartass comment that he should "do it again, to show it isn't a fluke". But the procedure that followed certainly qualifies.
What? He said the lock requires being picked 4 times to open the door, then proceeded to pick it 4 times, the 4th resulting in the latch opening. Either you and your 200 likers didn't watch the video or I misunderstand your comment.
"This is the LockPickingLawyer, this lock had been described as being great for drunk people, so I'm going to drink six shots of vodka before picking it".
I wanted to see him pick the lock when the knob was turned. After all, if he can't do that then the lock has a state where it is unpickable and it would deserve recognition for that fact.
Usually you prefer breaking into homes with all occupants gone so that knob would not be turned. Breaking into a home with people present adds huge risk. A simple burglary can turn to assault and murder charges.
@@4philipp I think this lock is meant for people who have someone stay home..Like the wife at home and her husband out at work, and right before it’s time for him to come home she unlocks the inside part so he can actually open the door.
He did say the lock was unpickable with the knob turned, which is why he didn't even try. Also sounds like there is no non-destructive way to turn it off from the outside, which is the entire point of that knob.
@@testerwulf3357 if your lucky. My wife leaves the knob turned so I have to stand outside shouting how disgraceful it is to be locked out of my own home… again. And if the wife doesn’t the 4 and 6 year old are certain to have it covered.
The core idea isn't bad, actually. I mean, this lock acknowledges that it's all but impossible to design an unpickable lock, so rather than waste energy trying to do the impossible, they focused on making it take longer to pick. It makes sense: the longer a criminal is standing in front of your door fiddling with your lock, the more suspicious they look and the more likely they're going to get caught. That said, it wouldn't have killed them to throw a few security pins in there.
@@Tantalus010 true, one random security pin would have quadrupled the amount of time to open it as raking would be more inconsistent. This could be made into a pretty secure lock.
I was just wondering if he couldn't retrofit it to be a really tough lock. Still pickable, but imagine if instead of raking, you had to set each pin 4 times.
@@brianflowers4217 Well... that opens up another idea. We know China doesn't much care for copyright laws (yes, i know this is not a chinese lock). Would it be a valid business idea to acquire cheap chinese locks and retrofit them with better pinning and sell it at a profit? Probably not, though, cause large scale producers can do it better and cheaper than you.
What stood out to me is that a basic thief who doesn't know the details of how the lock works would probably be discouraged even after the first time he succeeded in picking it and turning it and it would feel just as stuck as before.
My third Calculus class was Series and Sequences which was drastically different than either differential or integral. It was also the hardest math class I ever took.
@@foxphire0093 Basically, yeah. Though it also had a ton of algebra that I'd never seen before or since dealing with stuff like factorials and whatnot. It was absolutely brutal but the professor was one of the best I've ever had so that helped.
@@ragreenburg sounds like the last chapter in my calculus 2 class, I hated doing factorial and series algebra big brain stuff at first, but then I got used to it and I felt like I was 3blue 1brown doing math
If you're able to rake it open that easy, there must be a lot of play between the pins and cylinder. Intimidating? Yes, but the security level is low. Great video!
@@pubcollize In many(though not all) places, getting them to bust out a relatively loud drill is the same as getting them to go away. Especially for a home lock.
@@samiraperi467 that such a stupid question. ofc picking four things at once is better than one thing four times. 1 thing four times just means 1 sec each, while four things all at once means 4 secs. for 1 time.
@@MuiKaHo huh? 1 x 4 = 4 x 1 = 4? so they'd take the same amount of time. "1 thing four times just means 1 sec each" is 4 secs. " four things all at once means 4 secs. for 1 time." still 4 secs.
Most homes in Taiwan have these locks installed on their outward facing metal gate / door, before another regular door has to be opened. My mum literally has to lock this lock on the gate followed by two or three other combinations of locks on a regular door inside before we close our doors. It's probably still pickable but it gives my mum peace of mind to hope the annoying amount of locks will thwart any burglar attempts at least while we're inside. As another comment has also stated, there's another kind of lock commonly found in Taiwan where the key has to be extended (伸縮鎖匙) out before being used to unlock. I was always warned not to misplace them since supposedly it's hard to make a copy and expensive to do so. Not sure if LPL will be able to get his hands on one to try.
I'm in Taiwan now and I have the extendable/collapsible key. The original keys are relatively expensive at about $15, but you can get fixed replacement keys for about $3, they are just kind of long. Just as easy to copy as any other key, it's just that the tumbler is very deep, thereby making it harder to reach, but the lock itself is very easy to pick other than the length.
And this was done WITHOUT security pins. Just imagine how uncrackable this would be if it had spools and/or seraded pins, to say nothing of special pins.
As a former drunk who got locked out of my home.. i spent 3 hours trying to insert the key into the hole. By then i have sobered up and just slept on the floor after closing the door behind me. NEVER AGAIN
@@x54xHantamachine i got so drunk once i couldn't open the door because i didn't find the handle in the dark because the handle was on the left and i was looking for it on the right. i fell asleep leaning against the door and fell into the room when my buddy opened it from the other side, scared the shit out of him.
I was pretty drunk once and tried getting into my neighbour's apartment. Very embarrassing when he opened up at 4 in the morning and asked "what the fuck"
And all the noise. Clicking so loudly with each revolution. If you don't know how many times you have to pick it, you might be so confused that it won't open!
Always remember that looking like a pain in the ass to deal with is just as effective as being an actual pain in the ass to deal with. This lock does both. You have to have the time and no one noticing you picking that lock. It's an easy pick, but time is no on your side if you don't want to be seen.
@@leprechaunne It's not like you need to do anything particularly special to make security pins work. The pins are already 'symmetrical', it wouldn't alter much to replace 2-4 with some spools and/or T pins.
I live in Taiwan. The time you spend trying to pick this lock, you'll be recorded in all the CCTVs in the streets and apartments. Even if you do pick the lock, which is normally the first door, you'll still have to pick the second door lock. Even if you do pick the second lock, there are still chains or a padded lock that cannot be picked from the outside. Anyways, also, since the crime rate is really low here, we don't really need sophisticated locks unless you're a high value target. Even if you're a high value target, you'll have to bypass gate security and among other factors. We don't really need tough locks because its quite peaceful here anyways. Thieves rarely get away with breaking and entering these days.
This video only shows that the weird lock CAN still be picked in technical and no one's said living in Taiwan is unsafe. You needn't explain that much.
I feel like some context might actually help here - I've been living in Taiwan for about 8 years and have encountered locks similar to this. They tend to be on either older buildings, or buildings that don't have a security guard at the front. The set up has two doors, a steel outer door a more traditional wooden inner door. (I have encountered set up where the inner door isn't locked, but have also seen set ups where the inner door is.) I honestly think that the set up is partially just to make lock picking too time consuming/aggravating/noisy and attention grabbing to make worthwhile. It's anecdotal, but I think they succeed in that. In all my time living here I've never heard of a lock to a door being picked - but I know of two break-ins based on a thief finding a small, tucked in alleyway, scaling the sides of a building and sawing through the steel window bars that are on most older buildings. TLDR: The context a lock is in can make it more/ less effective than the locking mechanism itself might be.
Yeah - that's one of those: "Let's pick a different lock" locks. Because it takes some time and might be locked with a switch either way, so you just go to other doors that have a different lock. Nothing special, but you can see the logic. I wonder how good it would be with proper security pins and tolerances?
Yeah, it's like any odd looking lock, it's a whole risk thing because why pick this lock that could screw them over or be extremely difficult when they could pick the next houses regular lock
@@hardwirecars 1. Not every country is gun crazy 2. If a thief is picking a lock it's to gain quiet entry into the house 3. The their doesn't read mind and has no idea weather you have a gun or not
@@AstoundingAmelia 1. i know not every country is free its a sad fact. 2. he better hope i asleep im not always asleep even at 3am. 3.again he cant read minds so he should assume breaking into someone's house is a death sentence because i cant read his mind either so i dont know why he bypassed a locked door only bad people with bad intentions do that.
Or just anything to prevent the rake, really. Like this is probably enough to scare off most novices, but then you add some security pins and that’s probably more than enough for the average person.
@@Ges_who Aside from the fact that reasonable gun control in every country it has been established, has resulted in much lower gun crime. I can count the amount of gun related deaths in my country on one hand.
@@Ges_who Less gun availability makes illegal possession of guns more expensive and rarer for criminals, too. The black market is still a market. And less gun availability does a better job at preventing innocent people from getting shot than more guns. Because guns don't fire shields, and an innocent person's body response the same to a bullet regardless of whether a 'good guy' or 'bad guy' shot it. And the more 'good guys' with guns, the more 'bad guys' can steal guns from.
I'm imagining the older teenager coming home late at night, past curfew, and nervously rotating the key in the lock. One rotation...two rotations...three rotations...and then it stops. So close to sneaking in to the house without waking up the parents.
I mean the locksmith did't say it's hard to pick, he said it's intimidating. In a controlled environment - sure, a picker will figure it out. But if someone is trying to get in at night he'll see a strange looking lock and go to the next house over. Even if not, having to pick an uncommon type of lock four times will slow them down quite a bit compared to common locks.
@@artstrutzenberg7197 trust me, Taiwanese using this kind of lock don't have yards, only places with security here might. There's really not much space here XD
@@lastdonuts yeah he got as far as If it can be picked heres how it might be done. Then he got it like half picked. It made me want one. My apartments said no. Its like a 130$ lock. 80$ replacement keys
He already had the rakes handy. Could take more time just to get out a shim. It is also possible that on some installations there could be some measures on the door to make shimming more troublesome.
To be fair, even with rakes it takes a decent amount of time to open and I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't even realize it needs to be picked several times to open. Really the lock's security comes from the length of time needed to pick it four times, even knowing you have to pick it multiple times, and the fact it in general looks like a weird hard lock.
@@Dustinavollmar Nah there is this bike U-lock for 150$ in which you have no interaction of the user with keys engagement. Keys are provided into the lock itself on some sort of lock/key "drawer" In his channel (Lock-Lab) Bosniabill calls it best U-lock on the market and uses it to secure his own bike.
@@BrownsheepBF Forever lock, video 633. Since then Deviant figured out it can be impressioned though you need to have a key to do so, so it's still fairly secure.
Don't you think it'd look WAY more suspicious if someone saw you go up to a door stand there as if trying to unlock it for a minute and then leave or go to the another door and do the same thing again. Than if someone just saw you apparently fiddling with your keys at the door for (literally) a minute. And I can only imagine aaallllll the diversionary tactics criminals could use to make it look natural or like they're just being clumsy/distracted. I'm pretty sure "being on a phone call" would be a very common diversionary tactic.
Just get a 20 pound hammer and smash the door... I've had a 4 of medium-low end lock and the fucker who stole my chainsaw just smashed 2 off and levered the door open and got in...
@@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k This particular lock is designed to have the face-plate flush with the door. Unlike US locks that are just begging to be smashed off with a hammer. I had a locksmith tell my Dad not to call a locksmith to open a door -- Just hammer it off and then buy a new lock. Locks in the USA are basically signs saying "owner prolly has a gun, yo. Be fast"
As other Taiwanese said in the comment, yes, this kind of lock is quite common in here. The keyway might be special, but the latch-locking knob is literally everywhere. I used to lock my home like this everyday before I went to the college. The Dual Cylinder Disc Brake Lock in 552 is also from Taiwan, BTW.
I lived in Taiwan and I often came home in the wee hours of the morning.. I just left my door unlocked lol... Considering all buildings have security guards, keycard entrances and you even need a keycard for the elevator which is programed to only go to your floor... It seemed pretty safe..
This is perfect for when you live with others! They undo the turn thing inside when you’re getting home so you can come in and it keeps everyone else out. This is genius! It’d also be easier in a still safe way for people like me who struggle with standard locks as I always put the key in backwards and have trouble unlocking it and pulling the key out..or just elderly people or people with arthritis.
The lock, three seconds later: "Oh, that went smoother than I expected!" LPL: "...however, this lock has an unshielded opening in the back, and now I'll show you how to unlock it from the rear..." Lock: "Urgh."
A Master lock finds itself on LPL's desk. It doesn't recognize him because he's never shown his face. Then LPL delivers his intro and the lock unlocks out of pure fear.
LPL just sees new weird locks and can't help but ask himself, "Is this the one?" Before defeating it in literal seconds. LPL is the Saitama of lockpickers.
Friend in Florida heard someone tampering with his window. When the guy stepped thru and giggled "anyone home" friend released the slide on the 1911. Guy was backed out and managed/allowed to run off and police were basically upset friend didn't shoot him. I don't believe many hearing that at night in bed would be as restrained. Grandfather similar story from 1950-1960 living near railroad track and someone trying to come in backdoor, Shotgun racking tended to send a clear message.
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