Super interesting exploits. Lock picking lawyer is one sharp guy 🙇♂️. Thanks for putting all that time into them to educate me on how to make them stronger! I think I smell something in the wind though. Wait yes I know that smell. It smells distinctly like lock V3.......
@@Bob5mith normal door in the US. In Europe, well Finland at least the doors opens outward so the hinge is on the outside. But we don't have that kind of hinge anyways, the bolt is secured in the hinge from the factory and can't be removed rakennushelasto.fi/product/abloy-sarana-n3548-110tmkss-rst/
Yeah, I caught myself thinking whether you could buy one of these... Frankly, every time I watch LPL or other people lockpicking on the internet, I can't stop myself from thinking that locks are bs and mostly there to make one feel better, not to actually stop or slow someone - since clearly when you know what you're doing it doesn't really matter whether the lock is there or not
@@deSolAxeThat's what a lot of security factors are for, in the end. Locks specifically are just useful as a deterrent- enough to keep amateurs out, or at least enough to make it not worth the effort in comparison to other potential targets. Any determined individual can get through a lock, but as long as doing so is enough of a pain in the ass, they'll opt to go break into somewhere else, unless they just really hate you specifically lmao
@@velvetphilocks also keep non criminals from getting into things you don’t want them to as well as letting the police prosecute criminals who bypass them!
It's less about making it hard and more about making it noticeable. Sure, you can use a crowbar to pry open a door or a rock through a window but then people know they've been broken into and robbed. Picking locks is insidious because it doesn't tip anyone off that they've had a security breach.
@@9xlives901 Yeah, but that's a common theme on this channel. "This would actually be pretty difficult to pick except if I stick a shim in the right place the lock just pops open."
Considering that the extreme majority of thieves would have no idea this lock is so unique without the ability to see into the insides of the lock, this is effectively unpickable.
Horror movie be like: "It's the most advanced lock ever made, no one has even theorized a way to pick it open. We'll be safe here." "Little click on one..." *panic intensifies*
@@Tyler-mp7kh he mentioned 3 ways. The backplate stops 1. The 45 degree adjustment stops another. Making the 2nd core pins variable height would stop the 3rd.
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no RU-vidr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear andy
"This was actually a great lock, besides the fact he made one small mistake. He left a gap roughly around the diameter of a strand of human hair, which allowed me to use my microscopic pair of pliers to completely dismantle the entire lock." -LockPickingLawyer, 2022
He would have to make them at least $3000 before uncle Sam would consider buying them. Expensive means you can expand your budget next year, since you proved its insufficient lol
@@BrokeWrench That would be a bit cheap. An average freelance engineer can typically ask $80 per hour. So with 4 weeks work (as he claimed), that's about 8 hours * 5 days * 4 weeks = 160 hours. Or $12.800 in total.
@@curtislevey7639 Also that was the time it took to test and redesign them many times. If you have done it once it should be pretty straightforward to repeat.
Well, there is is the Bowley lock (video 636) as well. And bosnianbill did a video of a bike lock a long time ago that worked kind of similar to the current video, but instead took the key away inside the mechanism, preventing you from accessing the pins externally.
I think it is also important that these locks were made by 1 guy in less than a year with little to no prior knowledge. Not a lock company that can throw TONS of manpower and hours into effective locks.
0:55 “A few minor oversights that I was able to exploit” I immediately thought of a door breaching shotgun and realized that the lock is not bulletproof
Yeah… turning it as far as it could go to the left to disengage the deadbolt and using the knife to walk it back… that kinda stung watching given that it was the V2 lock Though it looks like the schematics were provided specifically for feedback and to have LPL study them for design flaws, so this is surely exactly the kinda stuff that SMH was hoping to see/learn I’ve only seen a couple dozen of LPL’s videos, but I do wonder why there don’t seem to be many locks with more involved and varied builds I mean, it’s prolly cause the more involved and more mechanics to a lock, the more likely something would break from normal use and the easier it would be to damage… but it’s something I think about nowadays 😊
@@TheMulToyVerse I believe it's more related to the fact that complexity drives up the price of a lock. Until a larger portion of the general public is aware what a crappy deal a Master Lock is... Master has to motivation to change anything. Their brand recognition alone will keep the company afloat.
It was pretty clear that back plate already existed before this and it wasn't just made after lpl said something. It just wasn't included at first to give the lock a way of being exploited here.
Coulda just milled a ring around the outer edge of the back of the lock, so that it sits inside the cutout of the door a little bit. Then it creates a lip that the tool can't bypass at that angle. It's only accessible now because it's flat surface against flat surface.
I think we can fully discount the bypass method used on the V2 as a viable solution because had the “door” been mounted correctly, it would be swinging inward and there would be no access to deadbolt, or hinges for that matter
Yeah, i would say it's unpickable. If he didn't see the insides, and it was mounted the door the right way, so you wouldn't see the bolt and also installed the plate on the back, it wouldn't have been so easy.
Doors typically swing outward in a lot of countries. Giving access to the deadbolt is obviously a horribly terrible idea no matter where the door swings.
@@TimoRutanen Yes, but if the door swings outward you can easily have the outside of the door overhang the frame, so access to the deadbolt would be prevented (and also to seal against the wheather). In Germany I have never seen a residential door with visible access to the bolt.
every door in my house goes in. as does the front door. cause its easier to protect them from crowbar attacks. its a fairly common practice where they put a metal strip on it. which doesnt work if it swings out. I dont think "most countries" have doors that swing out. maybe a screen door wich doesnt offer protection but the "real"" front door opens inward what shitty countries have those other doors?? @@TimoRutanen
it was a major burn. Given the edit, I would love to know if LPL a) watched the SMH videos or b) knew from inspection the mechanisms involved. someday, LPL will face a locked door with a device he did not see from the other side.
01:10 - Explain what he will do 01:25 - Explain the first lock 02:21 - Explain the second lock 03:33 - Vulnerabilities 04:49 - Core picking the second lock 05:50 - "Picking" the second lock 07:49 - Lockpicking the first lock 09:02 - Damage to the door 09:38 - Fixing the first lock 09:48 - Fixing the second lock
It won't be because of how expensive it is and lack of mass production resources. Even if they did, there is no market for them because you could just get through the door itself. The only market would be for safes, and even then they use keyless mechanisms that are much cheaper. Just a gimmicky project for fun.
I think if you had gone into this fully blind then it would have taken a decent amount of time and effort to pick these. Great work to both of you for this fascinating look into alternative lock designs and their potential strengths and weaknesses. Very cool.
@@Aaa-vp6ug i disagree. it's like open source software. more people that can see the inner workings and discuss how it works and how it doesn't, more people that can try to improve upon it.
Outswing doors are generally required to be mounted on closed hinges. The attacker should not have access to hinge pins unless the building is not up to code (or in a jurisdiction that is really neglecting dwelling security). Likewise, the deadbolt must never be accessible from the outside for the same reasons. Normally, outswing doors are seen in commercial spaces that by nature expect heavy traffic and are required to use them due to fire regulations, they use shielding on the outside of the door or a door with a lip that protects the entire swing side (also preferable in a residential area, since it allows for proper weather insulation). The mock door does not represent a door that should happen in a residential area.
@@kabirkumar5815 can't say whether it wouldn't be pickable at all, just not with this technique and tools. Perhaps using something significantly more elaborate.
@@deuxexmachimax If someone wants to break into your home, if they are professionals they always come prepared. They will look for the model and train it. Especially if the model gets purchased by more people.
And the fact that the designer took the critique and advice immediately and began reinforcing it even further is just great. I'd like to see a followup where they have gone even further with the design, fixing the flaws and putting the challenge forwards again. I think LPL would be extremely proud to get a lock that he can't bypass.
@@teloenand Knowing stuff made here, he will definitely do a mkIII. I really like this collaboration because the point of the LPL channel is to encourage inovation in locks and he seems so happy to see someone actually doing it.
This is what I always wanted modern engineering to work like: Do it in front of the target customers, have the "opposing/other" side pick up an engineers work as a challange, re-iterate in a friendly and fun competition and come up with a result, that is pretty close to an optimal solution. Please continue and put the result to production as a sellable product. This is similar to how open source software works since about 40 years and amplyfies the potential of community-driven development. Ah, and by the way, thanks for the videos, great stuff for entertainment :)
The beauty is, it's no rivalry. He calls it a challenge but honestly they're both creating amazing content and promoting each other. This is a team effort, not a rivalry🙏🏼
In fact, too friendly a rivalry. Neither wanted to lose face. So they rigged the match so that neither would. This was like the Raiders showing the Steelers their playbook before the game. Doesn't happen this way in real life or in an interesting real life simulation. This was like a homeowner leaving the lock diagram by the front door with a note saying "Dear Thief. Lock diagram in envelope under the rug."
@@Bob_Smith19 yeah, but the explanation is good for Shane so he can redesign it and send it back. Good chance by the end of this series between the two that Shane will actually make an unpickable lock.
@@howardbaxter2514 thats assuming Shane is willing to, which i wouldn't be surprised if he has other projects he has to focus on rather than continually tweaking this lock. Especially considering how many times he had to remake parts just to get the specific tolerances right for it to work once.
What a great collaboration, guys. And I've got to say I don't see LPL as a lock picker anymore because rather than that, I believe he's truly a lock hacker. His talent never disappoints.
After seeing how it was made and observing the keys to see the pin numbers. He literally had the blueprints... I would have liked to have seen him pick it without knowing that just like Shane sent it.
seems like the second one is truly unpickable.... LPL didnt mention any vulnerabilities once he showed the (expensive/machined) back plate... and besides with a proper installation and on a metal door, LPL wouldnt have been able to squeeze his tool in between the lock and door.
fun lock design and collaboration! After watching who knows how many of LPL videos I'm just more convinced that locks are there to keep decent people out. Any home break in in my area is brute force door kicked in or open patio doors, never once read about a picked lock entry, so really not concerned about that at all. That being said, I just ordered the Genesis set to play with my own locks, see how easy (I doubt it) it actually is to defeat them. Not that I'd expect a thief to spend the time when they can just kick in the door or take a saw to the wall anywhere and make their own door, most people live in wooden boxes here, sheet rock isn't gonna do much against a saw, LOL. I don't know why I'm even watching all these videos, it's almost kind of a zen thing plus puzzle solving and some magic, no wonder he has 4+ million subs. So satisfying! And what a random and odd career!
He didn't actually pick the lock. What that was was now a vulnerability in the lock, but in the door itself. Actual door has a flange that makes the locking lug unaccessible. Also, the other attack that involved sliding the tensioning tool betweek the lock and the door could have been easily avoided by mounting the lock deeper in the door, not on top of the surface of the door.
Been watching your vids lately and it took interest on the pick of tue lock. to my surprise I was able to pick not one but two door cylinders. It was somehow easy but stressing at the same time.made the picking g tool from a wiper and the ram out a spoon. Worked but both tools broke.thabks for the experience now I got new adventure.
One thing I notice though is that LPL did not do an attempt on picking the version with the cover which in my mind confirms that it got unpickable for him. I saw Stuff Made Here video saying that the intention is not to make the lock resistant to all other types of attacks so for me the knife attempt doesn't make a big difference in "pickproofness" (it is a good feedback though). SMH - LPL 2:1 in my opinion 🙂
Probably wouldn't even if it was shit. SMH made this lock and insulting the lock would just be rude.If this was a lock he bought from a big company he would probably insult the overlook that the lock isnt held tight when turning the lock 45 degrees.
@@gulgaffel You know, I think you’re right. SMH was making a good faith effort to engineer an unpickable lock while the bulk of locks on LPL’s channel are manufactured by large corporations that are falsely marketing them as secure or high-end. That would mean that LPL would be more constructive with his critiques so that the design could be improved.
Great work Shane, after watching a ton of videos here is 1 that would be secure to any normal attack. Fix the walking bolt (i worked that trick in the 50s) and either would work. Let us not forget, modern attacks can be extremely destrucive.
According to the directors commentary shane spent a month on the v2 lock with a 1 week sprint before working on a different project then a 3 week sprint later.
Shane is going to have a third design out for sure. He’s a great engineer and the main reason the LPL got through is his extensive experience in defeating locks and Shane’s lack thereof. I’m willing to bet Shane facepalmed when LPL walked the bolt back into the lock. I’d say between the two of them bouncing their skills off each other can get as close to an unpickable lock as anyone ever has.
Agreed. It's a pretty classic issue in any kind of denial work. If your stopping force can simply be avoided entirely, then it doesn't matter how good it is. Applies to security, debates, politics, law..... Arguments with your SO... It's 100% a facepalm moment. The lock is no good if the bolt goes, but when you're focusing on making a lock, you aren't worrying about if the wood of the door is rotten.
Shane is a very intelligent guy. But there are also very intelligent people in the lock building business that have 30+ years of experience. It is extremely difficult to go into a new industry and make substantial improvements.
@@AndrewD624 Note that the companies with 30+ years of experience are trying to make commercially viable products. Shane isn't subject to that restriction, nor does his lock have the same longevity requirements.
Took a month and would take luch longer if he didnt get schematics/blueprint he would have to break it down to research enough to hypothesis how to pick it
The doorbell was hilarious 🛎 I enjoyed the collaboration between you two channels I subscribed to both two thumbs up for if each of you two true gentlemen
"He welded the hinge pins on, probably to keep me from just knocking the pins and declaring victory. Which is definitely something I would have done" 🤣🤣
The hinge pins and the bolt exploit are the reason why you want your security door to open into the secured area. First exploit on the second lock would have been much harder if the door-jam was in the way(though I am sure LPL has a special tool to make it easy).
@@nobodyimportant2470 first exploit could have been fixed with an astragal...well apart from not having that design flaw to begin with. Most exterior doors have to open outwards for fire safety reasons. You can also get different kind of hinges if you want it to be more secure than NRP butt hinges.
Pretty sure both are joking. If LPL had that for the entire video after so much hype between channels, nobody would be satisfied. It's one thing to show easily bypassed locks for a commercial product, but he knew he had to approach it honestly. If we're very lucky, SMH will put in the ridiculous time custom machining takes for v.3 & v.4, and we might get a part 2, but I wouldn't count on it. SMH already succeeded in proof of concept, removing exploits and having LPL spending time trying to find new ways to pick or bypass it isn't nearly so enjoyable for either party (though I would be interested to hear what LPL would do if his suggestions were implemented)
Very cool, the design process as well as the analysis. To be fair, using a recess to mount the lock in the door and a steel lip to prevent the knife trick would make this an excellent solution
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