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(1277) Challenge: BlackDolphin90's Split Core 

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@britskaradiometeorograph8108
@britskaradiometeorograph8108 6 лет назад
Lol "please pick counter-clockwise" - Bill picks clockwise. "Please don't pull core" - Bill pulls core. "Lock name hints that it contains warding" - Bill still acts surprised when encountering warding... Don't take offense please, I really am only poking fun, I just couldn't help chuckling at all the - err - interesting choices you made doing this one I really like watching the ones you have trouble with because there's more time to watch and learn from your work
@tacman1845
@tacman1845 6 лет назад
😂 I started laughing when he randomly changed directions. Videos like these are why I like his content.
@bosnianbill
@bosnianbill 6 лет назад
Hey, those were RECOMMENDATIONS...;) Besides, the first part of that core would have popped out no matter WHICH way you picked it. Also,my BEST excuse of all: I went to a public school. So there.
@John-lx8iu
@John-lx8iu 6 лет назад
lol I noticed the same things... I do so love his videos :)
@tacman1845
@tacman1845 6 лет назад
Lmao! Good answer Bill. I will accept public schooling as a viable answer.
@thokk10289
@thokk10289 6 лет назад
bosnianbill dang it bill you made me laugh too hard...
@BD90..
@BD90.. 6 лет назад
Thanks Bill, had no idea how i could keep the front in there but a very entertaining pick non the less. Cheers Bill
@aliceinmadseason2319
@aliceinmadseason2319 6 лет назад
BlackDolphin90 great lock!
@MrBchappyman
@MrBchappyman 6 лет назад
Just an idea I had for a 2.0 version of this lock, I would think it would be more effective the further back the split was, just so that the tensioner would have less chance of catching the second core. As for retention, you could try machining out the core a little before and after the split, machining ridges on each core and using a pair of spring steel c retainers, similar to the back of the lock. Food for thought at least, right?
@feirisWheel
@feirisWheel 6 лет назад
What about cutting some grooves in the cylinder that the driver pins could fall push into to hold the front in place? Have a "ramp" near the top to unset them when the core is relocked or something like that to keep it from binding up.
@bosnianbill
@bosnianbill 6 лет назад
Patrick, I tried to send the two locks back to the address you provided but the package was returned as undeliverable. $17 wasted...
@BD90..
@BD90.. 6 лет назад
bosnianbill That is strange. Feel free to do what you want with the locks bill. Sorry i don't know why it would say it is undeliverable.
@jayeff337
@jayeff337 4 года назад
I love your work. From how you help keep the Locksport community going, the knowledge and wisdom you share with all of the entertainment whilst creating these videos and that's why I'm looking on a way to become part of the tribe.
@LogicBob
@LogicBob 6 лет назад
He could have used pin 2 as a retainer for the front half by putting a ridge all the way around the core that lines up with the pin chamber. If the #2 driver pin rode in that channel, it would prevent you from pulling the front half of the core. It would probably be better to use pin 3 and move the split farther back, or even better, use a 6 or 7 pin core. Interesting idea!
@bennytyty
@bennytyty 6 лет назад
Woah, I'm glad someone did this idea. I've been thinking about making something like this for a couple months but never figured out how or had the tools. Really glad to see it in action.
@dvhx
@dvhx 6 лет назад
When you picked first half and removed it you should just shim it because there is no more lip preventing the shimming (put shim up to first pin, then push first pin into shear line then push the shim, and continue second pin etc)
@caseylocke4474
@caseylocke4474 6 лет назад
Once the front part of the cylinder is picked and removed, you could also simply shim the back part one pin at a time. Only the front part has the lip that prevents shimming.
@Leonslockpad
@Leonslockpad 6 лет назад
Great job from blackdolphin 90 and nicely done my friend😎👍😊👍👍👍
@doublejaylar
@doublejaylar 6 лет назад
I do believe Bill went in the wrong direction after changing picks.
@btravenphotos
@btravenphotos 5 лет назад
I started clapping when he finally got it open! YIKES, I'm getting a bit to involved in these videos.
@ControlledWrinkles
@ControlledWrinkles 6 лет назад
Perhaps being a cat owner, counter-clockwise means something different to Bill…
@RAkers-tu1ey
@RAkers-tu1ey 6 лет назад
... cater-clockwise? counter cat-wise.. I think you are on to something
@jeremiahkennedy1683
@jeremiahkennedy1683 6 лет назад
It gave you the reble Yale! Lol great pickin' Bill. Definitely gave bill a run for the money blackdolphin90 good job
@dennisburke2419
@dennisburke2419 6 лет назад
As a new locksmith, I can only dream to be as talented as Bill someday. Keep up the good work!
@Jalapenoman
@Jalapenoman 6 лет назад
Needed a custom core, with a pin spacer where the split is. Then, put a channel on both halves at the join, like the clip channel on the back of the core. Instead of a clip, have a sleeve with ends crimped down to fit in the channels on both channels at the split. Insert core, and the sleeve will allow rotation, and retain the first half of it gets picked first. Recommend a seven pin lock, as you will loose a pin in the security design. As a bonus, the missing pin configuration can mess with the lockpicker.
@wesdresen9994
@wesdresen9994 6 лет назад
I don't know if I would have kept going after the core separated. You are a trooper.
@THR33STEP
@THR33STEP 6 лет назад
Great lock BlackDolphin90!!!!
@Steel-Pinnings
@Steel-Pinnings 6 лет назад
Great job Bill, Phenomenal lock from K1 locks too. I did a split core and sent it to Bill Bacardi and he text me said it popped the top while picking and then it just fell apart. Lol
@turgsh01
@turgsh01 6 лет назад
If it weren't for the front part of the core being able to come out, that could have been a pretty awesome and usable lock.
@Jake1973_
@Jake1973_ 6 лет назад
Great pick-you made him work for it BD90👍
@yvessioui2716
@yvessioui2716 5 лет назад
To joint both parts of the core, a sliding dovetail joint completed by enlargment of the chambers on the back. That slide might allow the front to move independently from the back, up to a certain point and keep both part together in most positions. (Or a system like the sliding ruler on a tablesaw, both ways could be made from the surfaces facing each other or from the exterior of both half part of the core) Enlargment of back chambers to make sure the front is picked before the back according with tensioning. When the front is moved, 1/6th to 1/8th of a turn, there is no place let for a pick to go in there. I understand the guy who did this 'prototype' had only one Yale. Another prototype could be made from 2 Yales, cut to make sure they make a whole lenght when put together and avoid lost of pin n between.
@Penjulum
@Penjulum 6 лет назад
IDEA: Join the two cores with an I-bar slot cut and fill it with a long deep spool. It would force the first two pins to be picked and then twist, warding the second core. ╠═║═╣
@soerenwizard
@soerenwizard 6 лет назад
That's when you can use those strange tensioners in the Multipick set.....
@robcape
@robcape 6 лет назад
FINALLY!!!Aa use for those giant Chinese "Z" wrenches that come in every Amazon pickset!
@67JD110
@67JD110 6 лет назад
Just came across your channel and i must say great vidoes ive watched quite a few of your older videos already. I don't know if you've made a video of this yet I'm going to keep searching but if you could only have three picks what three would you choose to open most locks? Just something to think about I guess. Hope you have a wonderful day stay safe and keep up the great videos thank you
@MerkDolf
@MerkDolf 6 лет назад
Ohhh, I've just got a nice idea, machine the core so that picking counter clockwise locks the core together. key will work both ways, but if you tension the front of the core clockwise it will spin independent of the back half.
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz 6 лет назад
"What would I do in the field" this lock wouldn't be in the field! Radical lock by BD90. 😨✌
@ar-gaming9014
@ar-gaming9014 6 лет назад
wouldnt this be easy after the front fell out a hammer would drive that all out the back right
@Darkassassin09
@Darkassassin09 6 лет назад
Interesting idea: 6 pin core split into 3 pcs (2 pins each) first 1/8 turn drops a sidebar into the three pcs letting the tail piece rotate with the rest of the turn. You would have to put a really long tension bar in it and only if you knew thats what you needed before hand
@erwinkooi6669
@erwinkooi6669 6 лет назад
Bob Nips or have the back core (and housing) have a bit larger diameter, so you could add a ridge with that diameter at the back of the front core that would prevent it from popping out. Assembly would have to be done from the back of the lock.
@bradw0535
@bradw0535 6 лет назад
Obligatory LockLab cat hair around 2:30, makes me not feel so bad for depositing stray dog hairs where ever I go! All I kept thinking was "Bill, stop, he said counter clockwise... counter clockwise Bill!" But, Bill is a pro, I trust his judgment. Besides, if i had done everything exactly as instructed, i wouldnt have had near the fun! Awesome job BD90! Ingenuity!
@torquaymouse2236
@torquaymouse2236 6 лет назад
never seen open hart surgery on a lock before!
@caseylocke4474
@caseylocke4474 6 лет назад
Bill, "anti-clockwise" is the British term for counter clockwise.
@joshuahall433
@joshuahall433 3 года назад
Another brilliant video 😅👍
@Mudsuitable
@Mudsuitable 6 лет назад
Black Dolphin just hearing the name of that place strikes fear into the souls of many, wouldn't ever wanna be sent there but it's the way Every prison should be run
@grahamconquer5932
@grahamconquer5932 6 лет назад
hi bill g,conquer here just to let you no just picked an ABUS 65/60 Couldn't believe it all six pins were at least spools ,
@bosnianbill
@bosnianbill 6 лет назад
Nice! Great feeling of accomplishment, huh? Every time a lock pops I get that adrenelin spurt!
@InsaneFirebat
@InsaneFirebat 6 лет назад
You spoiled it with the thumbnail :P
@Fantaman900
@Fantaman900 6 лет назад
I know how you can keep the lock from falling apart but it must be designed into the whole lock. but what a good anti pick idea!!
@PDeRop
@PDeRop 6 лет назад
I think I saw just about every video on this channel, but this one is my favourite to date. Why? A different technique, Bill struggling just a bit extra, and a gutting with a big chance of going wrong going right just by a hair. I predict more split cores in the near future :)
@tonyholt90
@tonyholt90 6 лет назад
Well done, I believe tallan Pick opened a split core not very long ago and used a long reach tension tool to open it with success! I will look for it and add to this if I can find !
@tonyholt90
@tonyholt90 6 лет назад
Check out tallan Pick 216 double plug 7 Pinner ! It's a really cool lock!
@jimmydean8028
@jimmydean8028 4 года назад
That's a good idea to have a multi section core if it would stay in. Who would think that they have to tension it all the way to the back and then the key would still hold all the sections together would need some kind of ring on the front to hold it in and the ring on the back to hold the back section in and hide the front ring under a cover
@John-lx8iu
@John-lx8iu 6 лет назад
Great work but if you enlarge one of the holes in the bible you can place an over-size pin in there that will not fit into the core. Then you can size down the tip of that pin and cut a groove all the way around the core for the tip to rest in and hold the front of the core in place. Of course, this would make gutting this lock extremely difficult (basically requiring you to either remove the top plate or shove a pick up the right hole to disengage the retaining pin). I would also have moved the split further back to make tensioning even more difficult. ;)
@Breakfast_and_Bullets
@Breakfast_and_Bullets 6 лет назад
What's with the black frame at 17:23? I was expecting a subliminal message, but it's just completely black for one frame. Also, when the front core came out your "field expedient" option could have been to shim the chambers one by one, since there was no shoulder blocking the cylinder anymore.
@brianhignett8954
@brianhignett8954 6 лет назад
Nearly impossible to shim when there are serrated pins etc. as the shim will catch in the various grooves, and damage the leading edge of the shim, rendering it unusable
@Breakfast_and_Bullets
@Breakfast_and_Bullets 6 лет назад
Good point, that.
@bosnianbill
@bosnianbill 6 лет назад
It is where the camera saves one file, then begins another. I have to paste them together and it looks like I missed one of the lead-in black frames. Sorry about that.
@tsfcancerman
@tsfcancerman 6 лет назад
Just make a slit in the top or bottom so you can put a clip onto the center to keep the front part in place.
@AlbertLebel
@AlbertLebel 6 лет назад
Oh my goodness. I am starting to wonder about some of these locks.
@barringtonpedleyjr8788
@barringtonpedleyjr8788 6 лет назад
What a challenge 👏
@RAkers-tu1ey
@RAkers-tu1ey 6 лет назад
Not a big fan of screws in threaded holes... too easy to get wedged. Thoughts?
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 6 лет назад
Hey Bill, rather than taking out the first half, wouldn't you (in the field) just dump the pins from the first half, then insert it back again, with a pin in the bottom to help tension the back half, and to give you better leverage down the back half? Seems a lot more convenient than having to pick something that deeply recessed...
@STLUlrich
@STLUlrich 6 лет назад
Just wondering on the video quality, has RU-vid changed things or why is the video pixelated?
@Trag-zj2yo
@Trag-zj2yo 6 лет назад
I like the idea of splitting the core. Built correctly so the front half would stay put, any attempt to pick would only tension the first two pins. Once the front is picked it would turn to block any access to the back. Unpickable?
@bennytyty
@bennytyty 6 лет назад
Nah, I've been thinking about building one of these but once you know it's a split core you could just get a long tensioner that slides down the entire bottom of the keyway. Maybe if I had followed through with the idea when I first had it Bill would have been stumped for an hour or so.
@codemonkey2k5
@codemonkey2k5 6 лет назад
If you put a sleeve between the bible and the core (have seen this before) it could have been shaped such that it could both kept the core parts in the lock as well as maybe to lock up the second half of the core.
@WilliamMancel
@WilliamMancel 6 лет назад
Very interesting. With a split core, if you pick the first core, you fall into the trap. Couldn't you use a tensioner that goes all the way to the back, keeping the core together? Kind of like an Everest shotgun. Then you turn it back into a non split core while picking. Just an idea as a possible counter measure to split cores.
@davejoseph5615
@davejoseph5615 6 лет назад
Bill, what would you have done if the front-half of the core had been properly retained with some sort of c-clip or pin and groove?
@jeremyhanna3852
@jeremyhanna3852 5 лет назад
Mill a groove in the front half back edge then put a set screw in the side of the bible to line up to the groove will hold it and when bill sees the set screw he will sware it's a trap pin
@CoolerQ
@CoolerQ 6 лет назад
The key!
@40Found
@40Found 6 лет назад
If this were in a lock that holds the core from the front you'd be pretty screwed. Have to pick it and then realize and repick it with a longer tensioner
@eddie2to
@eddie2to 6 лет назад
Hey Bill, I'm a beginning lock picker and have picked my way through all the master/ ace locks up to "level 10" security. I'm a student so I am challenged monitarily, so I was wondering if you had any challenging locks laying around you could maybe send my way? I would be forever grateful...
@bosnianbill
@bosnianbill 6 лет назад
Eddie, I'm sorry but I really don't keep stuff "lying around" the lab. Normally, I return the locks to their original owners after picking them. The few that ARE sitting around are temporarily living in my naughty bucket, waiting to be picked.
@eddie2to
@eddie2to 6 лет назад
Could you tell me how to get into a lock trade? Like I said, the only locks I have are master.. I don't think ANYONE wants those. I'm just looking to advance my picking skill. Thanks!
@Shad0wBoxxer
@Shad0wBoxxer 6 лет назад
18:00 waiting for him to punch something thru his hand
@RobertSzasz
@RobertSzasz 6 лет назад
With some redesigns this could be a very interesting way to make an actual lock more pick resistant. Has anything like this, multiple core segments, been seen in the wild?
@dustysparks
@dustysparks 6 лет назад
Not sure about in the wild but Bill has seen other split-core locks on the bench.
@NJ-wb1cz
@NJ-wb1cz 6 лет назад
Robert Szasz, the ultimate version of this is Mauer Millenium Guard. The core is split to protect from breaking the core, and most pins are in the inside half.
@davejoseph5615
@davejoseph5615 6 лет назад
Yeah, excellent idea. I would like to see other experimental versions of this idea with a proper core retaining scheme. The ultimate might be a five or six wafer design with each wafer having one pin. This would make tensioning and pin access very difficult.
@lockhenge1752
@lockhenge1752 6 лет назад
I have one and Tallan Pick recently picked a lock with 2 independent plugs... worth checking out, video 216...
@daledugstad8221
@daledugstad8221 6 лет назад
at one time I thought you would use the key to test every lock to make sure the key would operate the lock? You could do that without looking at the cuts on the key.
@thk.g00fy
@thk.g00fy 6 лет назад
Got a similar design stuck in my head since months... If I would ever be able to craft it, this would 99% be a "whipped by"! x.X
@AgentHeX_0007
@AgentHeX_0007 6 лет назад
Did the key work?
@RAkers-tu1ey
@RAkers-tu1ey 6 лет назад
hmmmmm? is this a legitimate lock? Really creative split core idea, but would it really work in the real world? Logic Bob has the solution. OR, a spring ball detent in the body, with a groove in the plug??? hmmm
@nogoa42
@nogoa42 6 лет назад
What would we do in the field? Dynamic entry.
@NJ-wb1cz
@NJ-wb1cz 6 лет назад
nogoa42, drill baby drill 😂
@WiliamBennettwildarbennett
@WiliamBennettwildarbennett 6 лет назад
Tale of two Bibles
@reco1L9200
@reco1L9200 6 лет назад
Read instructions more than one time (in very microscopic print)
@andydelarue9344
@andydelarue9344 6 лет назад
Sorry Bill this was not a lock at all, no key action
@freshgino
@freshgino 6 лет назад
Other than the thumbnail.... Show us the key!! Always show us the key!,,,,,
@butre.
@butre. 6 лет назад
if we were in the field, we'd probably drill it. not cost effective to pick something like that.
@johneastmond9092
@johneastmond9092 6 лет назад
The rules aren't what I'd choose. I'd find more value in developing my skill on legitimate locks that would be in the field. These rules may have value I don't see. But locks who's key barely works with force or that fall apart are hardly locks.
@mykidsfuture5582
@mykidsfuture5582 6 лет назад
This would never be a viable lock in the field. Should have been described as "piece of shit viewer sent me".
@SebastianLopez-tz1zh
@SebastianLopez-tz1zh 6 лет назад
First!?
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