(1366) Trapped by the "Waffer" Lock 

Sorry that my trap got stuck. It was meant to be easier to turn back than it was. I picked it to the other side (before adding the spools) and it turned back easier. This was designed to be a "proof-of concept" of my new false trap technology. The holes were a little rough, but it still managed to turn back with a bit of jiggling. Due to the fact that you, one of the most talented internet pickers, failed to open this awfully-bitted lock fully, means that I can call my locks "virtually pick-proof" without feeling like a fool. Before you send the Paclock, try giving it light BOK tension and raking aggressively, especially on the front. The hint about the lock being not key-retaining whatsoever implies the cuts are 1

Pac-lock. A trap when the key works after is a "whipped".

You got Bill so upset he didn't even do his normal ending about being legal and all that. Lol

What I feel should be done is a rule that challenge locks should now on be submitted under two different categories. Standard "Lock Sport" Challenge Locks and Non-Standard "Exhibition" Challenge Locks. At least this way there would be an expectation from the beginning that the lock is a trap or has similar "denial of entry" methods employed. With the exhibition locks I feel the viewers should then vote on whether the maker should be awarded a prize for creativity, etc.

Nice lock build Thor! Another great vid Bosnianbill!

Nicely Done , Several Traps and Bill fell right into them lol!

From your channel I've learned to open every lock around my house in a minute or less ( they are crap locks) and extract a broken off key that has been stuck in the lock for years. Now a small set of pics are in my go bag. Thankyou.

I think Thor should get a Pac Lock. If you had been unable to reset the lock then I would have said otherwise.

Reversible traps like this are perfectly fair play for the lock designer. Its just more complication and false paths in search of a solution Traps that effectively cause the lock to self-destruct are a different story, since they block solving the lock through observation and experiment and instead reduce you to relying on dumb luck.

My vote is a paclock for Thor, cool bitting (I like that he got a dig in at Master Lock), key resets the core from the trap, works smoothly, I like it!

Pac-lock. And if you're going to consider getting trapped unlocking the lock, you might as well consider falling into a false gate unlocking the lock. As long as you can reverse out of the "trap," I wouldn't disqualify it.

Got it: "No More Traps!" Super PAC! Thanks Thor and Bill!

Nice video. Still need to watch the gutting but needed to comment while laughing. Bill gets "trapped". Pulls out key - looks nearly like a blank. Troll of the finest. Sweet. Now back to gutting.

13:17 pin one is trying to escape!

For those traps, all you have to do is create a little ramp for the pins to be able to reset so you don't have to disassemble the lock for a retry.

"This is not a WAFER lock!"... get's trapped, takes it apart, finds 3 wafers inside Bill, there was a trap warning in the name of this lock...! ;-)

that was an exceptional pick on an almost impossible lock

Thanks to you i have a new addiction.. Making my own lock picks! So thanks for that Bill :)

That braided security seal is actually meant for putting on trucks. They come pre-printed with a serial number and the paperwork must have this serial number on for the transport to be valid. At the destination they must check the serial number on the seal for the one in the papers and if they dont match up, they will refuse to receive any goods inside the truck.

Trap locks like this should be a go to. This lock is great because a key even resets it. If you're protecting something and a trap happens, you know its been an attempted pick whether you're home or not. $20-$100 is better than what you can expect from someone breaking in.

13:15 you almost pushed pin one, ALLL the way up. And out!

Not sure what to think on this lock, now that he explained it. Nice pick Bill

Master Lock approved bitting indeed!

Definitely a Pac-Lock and a Whipped. It isn't an unfair trap if the key releases it.

Sorry Bill, but you were definitely whipped.

Think it says nananana on the side. Paclock for the man. Exceptional work

The lock turned back to the starting position and the key works, that's a pac lock.

Pac-Lock. This lock earned it.

Yeah Paclock. Ur rules Bill..Good Review and Good Job to THOR

Send the PacLock. The quality of that work is fantastic!

@bosnianbill I think you should reconsider the trap locks being picked if you fall into the trap. If you pick the wafers all the way up you successfully pick the lock, if you don't get those wafers up and you hit the trap then you failed to open the door and the customer is still locked out. On a side note I would think a modification to the rule about traps would be warranted. My suggestion would be: "key or lock pick must be able to free the lock from the trap."

i'm in the camp of "if it is pickable 100% of the time by someone with enough time and skill it's valid" in this case it was: the traps weren't deep enough to trap it in reverse but i suspect that was unintentional. the hilarious bitting and key mummification probably warrant this getting a paclock with the caveat of no more traps getting paclocks.

Send the lock Bill, send the lock

Absolutely brilliant Thor, I've been thinking about something similar but with spools :)

I actually laughed at this one. You could almost taste the irritability. Send him a pac and gtfo. Next. I enjoy this more than watching him get to the sometimes impossible-to-uncover-keys. More please. I almost shit myself in laughter when I saw the key. I feel that bill expected an unbeatable lock. You got trolled.

Man, do I learn a lot watching these videos!

I think this is reward worthy. Especially if you read Thor's comment in which he says he wanted it to be possible to go "step back" and simply turn the core out of the trap. (the lock got stuck this time) I would count this as another row of pins in fact :-D (in case the picker can easily turn the core back and reverse from the "trap")

I think this by far is my favorite LockLab intro. Very classy

I say whipped, if the key resets the trap it is valid

Whatever happened, I liked very much the whole thing. It was a very interesting educating experience for me !!

I vote that he gets the Pac-Lock because he tried to warn you lol.

Lock, very well thought out design

Unless it's a spelling mistake I'm assuming waffer was from Monty Python with the waffer thin mint.

Lock picking may be fun sport, but it's all beside the point. Someone broke into my son's storage locker. They didn't touch the lock but just worked on the hinges attaching the door. The thieves weren't interested in stealing his camping equipment, but left their screwdriver behind.

Thor is my favorite character on this show. Your episodes are my favorite, Thor!!!

That looks so nasty. Awesome work on the pick. Great setup on the lock Thor.

Send Paclock....this lock gives you great fight

Give him the pac lock he WHIPPED you

He's worthy of a Pac Lock to trap you.

Pac lock because he got in before the Trap Pin Proclamation. Lol

pac lock. You went through all your tools to only get trapped in last moment. Maybe it was a calculated move to get the trophy. So, maybe you should repin it and make Thor to work for the key in return.

Traps should be allowed! !! Just categorize them differently, as they show innovative design

I have a practice lock just like this that I can't single-pin pick and it's driving me nuts! I just can't seem to get one of the pins up because the gap is so narrow and the angle is awkward

paclock!! Surprised the lock worked with the key after you got trapped.

Thor needs to start making videos of his lock making and publishing it after your video comes out!

Lots of divided thoughts on a Paclock... maybe cut one in half and send it to him for being cheeky.😁

Ive found that for normal locks, the best and fastest way to pick is to use a common rake. Hold maximum pressure on the tension wrench, use the rake to push all of the pins as high as they will go. The pressure on the tension wrench will keep all of the pins held up as high as they can go. Then slowly and gently release pressure on the tension wrench until you hear all of the pins click. [ It takes a few trys to know what certian clicks sound like. (If it was half of the pin, or the whole pin. If it was the whole pin, then you have to start over.) ] Once all of the pins click, then push the tension wrench forward again and the lock will open. I was able to unlock every door in my house with this method in under 5 seconds each.

Yes PAC lock for Thor. Picking to the correct level is part of the pick just like if you were picking a best lock to open and not change you have to pick to the correct level. But it should be able to turn back so it shouldn't be a full trap only trap in open direction.

Send a paclock but no keys... : )

I love that key! So the "traps", are they Master pins that can get trapped in extra holes in the core?

I cannot wait to see you pick mine!

Thor knew what he was doing. Lol dirty buggah

You guys heard him, no more "It's a trap!" Admiral Ackbar challenge locks.

If it is a challenege lock than traps should be fine as long as 1. The lock can be reset for another attempt. 2. The trap does not function when the key is used. As you always say, “If the key works, then it is a valid challenge lock.

He deserves a PackLock

It wasn't a trap since the real key opened it.

PacLock; IF someone can take that key to a locksmith for duplication, and they just duplicate it no questions asked. or weird looks. 🤯 I'd really hope anyone who saw this come into their shop, schedule an immediate assessment and re-key, or replacement hardware for the customer! 😵

I have to agree. Thats just silly. But I would also have to say dont call raking picking HA!!!

I think he should get a paclock.

Send him a pac-lock

The number of misspelled words on that cuts me deep

Let's be pedantic: when the lock got trapped, would the door it was installed in be open?

Very cool lock! Great job!

"It's a tarp!"

I believe a package lock is in order

I vote paclock. With a little force the trap didn't require disassembly to reset. And the technique could easily be added to real world locks to make them much more secure. But with the technique demonstrated, it should be considered used or taken, and others should have to perform a different technique to get their own paclock.

I stand in line with the others. If a "trap" is pickable simply by picking the set correctly, it is fair game. Especially if it can be reset by key. It would be something completely different IMO, if it was a no-key unpickable trap. How about using the key to release the trap and call only that current 10 minute segment a failed attempt (?) - If when gutting it shows that it can't be correctly picked, it will only open with key, then its a flawed challenge lock. He did give you a whole bag of hints Bill. There's 2 common typed of wafers. You didn't see the one kind, but he clearly stated it was a wafer lock. Gutting portion of video clearly demonstrated what I believe the internets call "butthurt". Didn't do a proper cjallenge lock and the handy work any justice at all.

Bill on your video ware you showed the lock lab you showed your 3D printer, there is a newer file on thingiverse you may like. It is called The Schlage Tool, by WestCoastPicks, the license at this time dose allow remixing or changing and commercial use. It is quite easy to add a 7mm hole threw it to allow it to get around those pesky actuator tail pieces. I like watching your videos, keep up the good work.

Ahh dang it I miss bill. Hope you're doing well brother!

I like this one... it kinda reminds me of the locks that get worked over so much that it just has to be ALIEN TECH!!! Lol If my opinion counts I agree completely with you Bill... traps that you are not able to work back out of should not be valid as a challenge lock. But that is not saying that traps aren't a good way of keeping people out. Just a pickable trap is still able to be picked just not that round type thing. Thanks for sharing.

An OPEN IS A WIN for you Bill.

Send Thor a padlock.

Pac Lock, the key made the lock work again so technically you weren't trapped.

Plug spinner could be used after picking to avoid the traps.

You could have reset and made another try at not hitting the trap. You likely could have just brute forced past the domed off pins... I think the rule should be "Trap pins mean it's OK to use a die grinder... because all fair." :)

Good job picking this lock, this is the first time I really hear annoyance in your voice. I did think you were cheated out of this win.

Funny how those springs and wafers work

Trap pins are unethical ( in a challenge lock ) !!!! Its cool that the key got it out of the trap though !!!!

I agree on the traps. There were locks made that fired bullets at you if you tripped the wrong umm wafer. Is that a fair challenge lock? There has to be limits.

But actuators keep you from looking in the back...

Nice picking Bill, I don’t blame you for banning future traps from qualifying for a prize since you technically picked the lock did you not? So wouldn’t just falling in the trap mean you have to pick it a second to release from the trap? So yeah I don’t think the trap disqualifies it’s original picking. On a side note, would using a shim alloy you to bypass the trap?

Padlock!

My soul for a rat yoke. Bill ask Jon for me please?!

My front door lock has no front face that turns, I put the key inside and only something inside turns. Can such lock be picked?

Is there another name for the prybar you used to tension? I can't find them anywhere.

Uhh ohh bill. Oh no you don't, you don't get the free pass to consider you succeeded to pick a challenge lock if you manage to pick it back into a locked up state! That means you succeeded to fall into a trap. That's kind of like a SWAT member breeching a door then taking one step into the doorway onto a beartrap, we wouldn't call that a successful breech would we? :P I would suggest you ask your lock creators to specify if it has a trap inside and create a different segment or challenge lock classification just for traps, because they can be quite clever and interesting to the security community however we don't want you to spend all your time and patience opening trap locks. You have to admit your trap lock creators have put out some really good locks with a lot of time into trap technology. I myself have thought of some very interesting ideas for traps but am less inclined to create a trap lock and send to you if you consider you beat my challenge of getting my lock open when it is still locked. Just my opinion though. 😊

Trap pins are like any other pin. If you cannot pick the trap pin correctly, you cannot open the lock. However, trap pins are akin to cheating in locksport. I would consider trap pins as an anti pick security measure, not appropriate for use in locksport.

Hopefully that means you got my second challenge lock in the post

At what point does this go from being a sporting challenge to becoming a sadistic attempt at destroying a man's ability to teach others how to enjoy the sport.

How do I duplicate that lock?