(131)The Vengeance Class Dreadnought, Early Design History 

Very impressed by how all the various characters, which are essentially from different shows and/or timelines were knitted into a single story arc. Bravo!!!

That was one well made remake. Outstanding story. I like that Lorca was the one to find Kahn that was a cool touch to actually include many of the characters of Discovery

If you have this ship on star trek online: You know violence is sometimes necessary. And the kelvin intel dreadnought cruiser is the one you want to be in front of the battle.

I love this ship and class it just looks sleek and pissed at the same time. Any ship that would be in her crosshairs you know that captains first order was " Bring me my brown pants!" Great video as always. Yes of course Nerd Approved!!

I love that, because we’ll likely never see another Kelvinverse media, this could very well be canon

If the Kelvin timeline continues, I would hope to see the Vengeance design get pulled out when the borg arrives. Imagine the Vengeance replace the Enty-E in first contact when it flew over the damaged defiant

This was an excellent use of the medium. Not just "check out this cool thing that didn't get enough love", but "let's play with the idea of what we known and how it would fit in an alternate timeline". Great example of how to merge ideas from a different timeline and how to make things fit. It added weight and "reality" to Kelvin timeline. Bravo.

It's great to see that you finally have a CG model of the Enterprise A. Can't wait to see you make BETA videos about that starship.

Finally! I was waiting for the vengeance. Nicely made!

What an amazing Vengence model!!! Just WOW! I really enjoyed the story you put together from the piecemeal fragments of the lore. The only thing I wonder about is mothballing the Vengence program. The one sad truth about governments is that once a tech exists, no matter the ethics behind it, a government will capitalize and build on it to give them any advantage over potential adversaries. The Federation/Klingon cold war during Kirks' time is just one example.

This ship always reminds me of a bottle opener. Fun video

Into darkness makes just this much more sense now, thanks a bunch. Really good video.

My nickname for this bird is "the Galaxy Class from Hell"- granted that was before we got a view of the World Razer from Picard lol (great ship design, terrible name) I'm a fan of the unique saucer; with some modification you could really add in some interior facing shuttle/fighter bays a la the Lucrehulk from Star Wars

Nice work on this video! The story is absolutely seamless. I wonder if something similar could be done to extend the backstory of the U.S.S. Prometheus from Star Trek: Voyager.

Very cool stuff. That is a fantastic ship right there, definitely a bad puppy.

The Vengeance Class should have been Starfleet's new standard of starships across the board. they would have dominated the Alpha and Beta quadrants with ease.

👏👏👏👏 LOVE this episode! Thank you for sharing!

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and well executed and very nicely informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And I myself own the Eaglemoss diecast model and the Hotwheels dicast model as well of the Vengeance class Starship,👌.

Appreciate the work you put into these.

Omg this was excellent

Fascinating. Thank you for all that background info. Trusting Khan to design a ship for you always seemed far too risky. But the core idea of Khan that a Starship should have a much smaller crew, especially in times of war, is sound. I am sure that the "sentient" ship AI will return, if not in a Vengeance class then in another class of ship. I look forward to your future stories of the success or failure of the Vengeance class successors.

Very impressed with your thought process and how you come up with your stories. Thank you for keeping us or me entertained. They should hire you as a writer for any ST series. 🖖

Thank you for filling in the humongous plot holes JJ Abrams totally ignored.

8:17 Minus the disc and nacelles, it kind of looks like Serenity

Can Paramount seriously just hire you as a lore master now?

Very cool vid with very cool graphics. Wonder if there was a Miranda class in the Kelvin universe.

Great story as always! I would LOVE to see how this class would do against the Borg Cube! ;-)

I love how you put discovery in there!

Thank you very much for this nice Information. Very nice Modells

Good story I like that one immensely.

I have always wondered what a Mirandaish version would look like.

Hell yeah! Great video man!

the Vengence is starfleets version of the Scimitar from nemesis.

Very impressive video, and the weaving together of the characters and events from different eras is very clever. Unfortunately this ship has always been an issue for me. In The Wrath of Khan the USS Reliant was a more modern cruiser, roughly equivalent to the refit USS Enterprise. Reliant gained an advantage through an almost perfect ambush, but when it came to the second fight in the Mutara Nebula the 2 ships were very evenly matched, with Kirk and his command teams experience at space warfare eventually proving decisive against the inexperience of Khan and his crew. But all the way through, Reliant always felt like she was a match for Enterprise - in almost every exchange of fire, the Enterprise took more punishment and casualties (the image of the Enterpise's port torpedo bay being engulfed in flames from the Reliant's phaser hits and the crew members caught in the inferno is still haunting). And then the "not a remake" Into Darkness came along, and pitted its version of the Enterprise against a massively overgunned and overpowered superdreadnought with an edgy name... With the obvious and completely predictable result - because plot.

If the Borg ran into this ship, and assimilate the crew, Starfleet would be so screwed

The whole “not being able to attack another ship at warp” makes perfect sense, it also go against every episode of Trek with space battles.

I once believed that the Vengeance would after rebuild become the Excelsior

Where did the scene with Marcus and the old Prime Connie design come from?

*KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!*

it is a brute, that is for sure. i am not a big fan of the cut out in the saucer section though.

You did good. But this goes to show all the complications of a prime, alternate and stupid (Discovery premise) timelines. It's also why I have come to hate time travel episodes because it makes it all the more murky. But you did a very good job of making it make better sense. Again I say you should be in the writing dream team for ST.

This is clever

I know I'm a year late but I loved hearing this story. I agree with firebirdone03 that it was cool to hear Lorca be the one to find Khan. I liked seeing the Enterprise-A at the end of the video. I have a 3D printed model of the Enterprise-A from Star Trek Beyond. It's definitely a better design compared to her predecessor.

Brain scans and computers....hmm sounds familiar....

I will never understand why a ship designer would put a massive structural weakness in form of a giant hole right in the middle of the saucer section, where its core systems would be the safest, presenting the enemy with that much more surface area to attack. Also, why does a ship with such a minimized crew need so many windows everywhere still, all structural weaknesses? And that on a designated DREADNOUGHT cruiser, whose purpose is to be as rugged, tough and survivable as possible. A clear case of looks before sense and function.

Its not a bad design. The features portrayed and the armor plating made the Vegeance a ship well tailored for war.

Thanks for this awesome and very well made vid ! where do you find those 3d CG scenes ? Star trek online? BTW the USS Vengeance is my favorite ship design, so badass ! about Khann, I always dream/thought that he was from Krypton,just like the vilains in Superman. There is some common point isn't it?

The look swap for Khan sounded least plausible

Great Story:)

Why didn't Starfleet use any of this technology or rebuild this ship? This would had giving them a huge advantage.

A very good video! I would have enjoyed more information on the shielding and Weapons Systems aboard the vengeance..... but the story was very well-told!

5:55 - Ah, yes...the notorious *Khan Harrison:* one of the deadliest *pre-Luther Sloan* Section 31 operatives in Starfleet's history.

Have you seen the kelvin enteprise a model by alexander klemm/nightfever? Would make a great episode imo

The Vengance has grown on me a lot over the years, mostly thanks to ST:O. The movie is came from might still be trash but at least it gave us this badass battleship

Everytime I hear M1 computer core, I think of the apple CPU

Was that the Enterprise-A I just saw?

Am I crazy or is there a missing video about the ATLAS class? I swear to god I watched this video, I even remember things like "They sold the Vulcan moon on expectations" and that the ship had two reactors and in the end it was a failure. But I can't find this video anywhere, did it exist or did I cross some form of portal to an alternate reality where it doesn't exist? @V@ 2:20 this is a deleted scene?

It's a brave man that attempts to make something worthwhile out of this abomination of a ship.

It was named the Vengeance Class? I thought it was just classified as an Intel Dreadnought from the Kelvin Timeline.

Non notification squad

This ship fits the philosophy of Section 31, more than Starfleet.

why does it have a hole in the saucer?

But isn't this mixing the Kelvin timeline with that that is of the one of discovery? Doesn't Admiral Marcus not exist in that universe?

I still think it's stupid that Starfleet didn't use Vengeance's phaser weapons or warp drive in the their newer ships or the Enterprise at the end of Into Darkness because those phaser weapons could really come in handy against stronger enemies and the Venegance's warp drive could get other ships from one place to another much faster.

small flaw std takes place before the kelvin time line starts , other then that its a great video with a great story

Shouldda been called the Vallium class....

Wait. You called it a Vengeance Class, but in Star Trek Into Darkness Khan calls it Dreadnought Class. I was under the impression that in the Kelvin timeline, this is what their Dreadnought Class looked like.

the warp stuff is nonsense - they do it all the time in all other star trek shows and films - including walking between ships at warp, on the outside.

pizza cutter look done right, it's tops to me.. Sure it's a dreadnought type, but, she doesn't pilot like one in game of course. I.E. handles like a School bus and turns like an School bus. Nah she drives like an car.

@A Klingon Woman bIDogh 'ej bIyay

Discovery is not part of the Kelvin timeline. Vulcan still exists and becomes N'var in Discovery. We know what sadly became of Vulcan in the Kelvin timeline It's a cool concept and I normally don't disagree with you but since I'm biased towards the Kelvin timeline, it doesn't gel. Apologies.

Love vengeance

The Vengence is a cool ship, but it's also full of nonsense design. What's the purpose of the carved out areas of a warship? If it's a warship and nearly fully automated, why is it so large? Why was its best weapon mounted facing foward in a 3D battelfield? The answer is that it looked cool in a movie a la Star Wars.