The 5 Deadliest Federation Starships | Star Trek Lore ft. Spacedock 

The prometheus is very deadly. However, I can't imagine the size and depth of knowledge of engineering personnel that would be required to maintain and operate such a massively complicated starship effectively. Many things would be automated but the ship is still incredibly complex although equally impressive as well.

@@jkeelsnc It would make sense that Starfleet and UFP would be using automation for a lot of their ships... similarly, they would use adaptive algorithms for designing ships. Why spend years on the drawing board when you can tell the computer to use an adaptive algorithm and create the best design that's great at everything using the latest in UFP science and technology. Automation is in fact thousands of times faster than people... not to mention more accurate.

@@deksroning125 good point.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MtqKaUc6Uas.html _Voltron: Legendary Defender_ (2016-18, Netflix) was a lovingly-crafted series, you should check it out of you haven't yet. It's one of the _very rare_ reboot/remakes that I fully stand behind after all these decades- being respectful of the source content, _while at the same time_ bringing in new material that was not in the original.

You just have to mention it! Now I also can't get out voltron theme song out from my head everytime it separate XD

That needs to go on a dedication plaque.

I would agree as far as prime timeline cannon ships go. However this beautiful line from spacedock may not full account for the adolescent my ship's "equipment" is bigger than yours, that is embodied in two other ships. USS Vengeance from the Kelvin time line and or the hero ship from the fan made Rennegade movie. Both ships felt like over powered testosterone compensating fever dreams of insecure 15 year olds traped inside of 45 years olds, In my opinion at least.

I sort of have the same feelings as for the Defiant, it was the original overhyped -in-power ship (like star wars vVenator, people buff it cause they thought it looked cool when they were young). But yeah, the Prometheus one upped it.

Somebody has never read about the Sun Crusher. (Star Wars Legends)

@@jonuiuc At least they seemed to have realized that and eventually destroyed first the Valiant and later the Defiant to show it wasn't all powerful.

I used to love it, but it wasn’t for exploration and the saucer couldn’t detach which was a downside for me.

The D for me

@@ssdravidian this isn't alpha canon, but I'd say the F

@@cosmocutlass1987 the saucer actually can detach they just never show it

@@cosmocutlass1987 It can. Just not on screen. And weirdly the Akira can too. Just not on screen. Google it and the creator of both will confirm.

Yes, Captain Kirk Picard Janeway

indeed **looks at star trek online**

except when they get destroyed at the end.

Well, technically it's about leadership. Even best tanks are shit if not used correctly. So it makes sense :D

No, that's the most durable warship. Plot armor can make a runabout invincible but won't make it crush a borg cube.

It's okay we all had bad taste when we were ignorant kids lol

I like it still, though I think its portrayal in Message in a Bottle is pretty overpowered. I flew around in it using STO but...it was just FUN.

I like how it looks combined, the multi-vector assault mode is a huge waste of resources. You could build three smaller ships, each just as powerful, but instead you sink in not one, not two, but THREE warp cores into this thing.

I'm safe, we only had the original Star Trek when I was 15.

@@mackenziebeeney3764 Redundancy isn't bad, especially with the tendency of warpcores to overload. I agree that multivector assault is meh, but multiple warpcores make sense.

Yeah, even the show itself disavowed that particular episode...

@Lord Skank What are you babbling about?

The Ncc-1701 did warp 15 once.

@@neighbor18 I think that's the old warp standard. I think that in-universe the Federation re-designated Warp 10 as the top possible speed. Warp 10 meaning you're moving so fast that you effectively exist at every point space simultaneously.

RIP

Yes, the Akira really is an interesting carrier design most unlike anything else in Starfleet.

The akira is kinda amazing. They went "Oh no we need real warships now" and some crazy motherfucker sitting in the corner, waiting his entire career went "Fucking finally". And busted out the most ridiculously excessive design possible and named it after an anime. - someone on discord

It was shown briefly in first contact, in the battle with the cube.

Maybe Booster Demon is trying to infer that the Akira is formidable, but that formidability trait is not shown properly on screen, and neither its fighter complement. It’s shown exploding, or just firing some phasers and photon torps, that’s all. We can’t really see how good this ship truly is

@@alexnavarro6941 spot on. But i get why - back when the Akira first showed up, VFX costs for showing carrier/fighter actions would have been more expensive and time consuming to do versus the VFX we have today. Still one of the coolest starship designs in Star Trek!

Personally I thought the Enterprise D was awful looking when it separated. Almost like a decapitated swan for the engineering section. OFF WITH IT"S HEAD!

@@Darktrik001 Yes, thank you.

@@Darktrik001 “each piece is covered with mini warp nacelles, to somehow make it work”

Don't you mean it "obviously looks terrible because its just a Turd of another ship..." LMAO hahahaah

And for good reasons!

And he just had to bring up the ugliest turd ship ever created - the Jaeger Class. In the same breath as calling the Prometheus class a hatchet job. Self irony lost clearly

LOL, in Daniel's rant of the Prometheus class, he didn't even list it's armament.

@@DannyRSA The Yeager class, as in Chuck, not Jaeger (as in German for warrior).

@@screenPhiles perhaps you need to write to Samsung and ask them to change their autocorrect settings. Thanks for your contribution

That's almost exactly what the Star Trek Online MMO came up with for the Enterprise F. It's a bigger, rounder Sovereign-inspired design with a Defiant-sized escort docked to the back where the shuttlebay usually is.

@@SabertoothSeal yeah the Odyssey class. honestly i love it. the Odyssey class was supposed to be a return to scientific exploration, but tempered by the federations reality check of three major wars practically back to back. she doesnt have as many phaser strips or torpedo launchers as the Sovereign, but what she lacks in number she gains in power. she has a couple different docking bays for shuttle craft, and of course the Aquarius class escort docked in her stern. however, she is also bloody massive, doesnt turn very well, and even though her shields are incredibly strong that alone puts her at a disadvantage; hence the Escort.

@@canisarcani So I don't have STO, but basically what I'm gathering is starfleet just started building giant, powerful, peaceful, exploration ships that contain smaller battleships that they can deploy?

@@hobomike6935 well... they made one class like that anyways... theres also the jupiter class carrier though... which is basically a giant bloated whale of a ship thats heavily armed and shielded that is dedicated to carrying (and launching) peregrines.

Just remember that the Defiant had been trading blows with the cube for at least an hour before the Enterprise showed up. I honestly think its a tie between the Enterprise E and the Defiant for deadliest.

Enterprise: Ship-of-the-Line Enterprise-D: Xavier's Armchair Enterprise-E: King Cobra, missed Enterprise-F: ISS Terran Goth Chick

one of the best battle scenes in star trek history. the volley of torpedos fired from the Enterprise almost immediately following was exceptionally shot as well

I agree it looks cool, and I do oddly like it, but its trash in my honest opinion. Has no business being a Federation Starship. It wasn't even the ship that the original drafts of First Contact called for. In them, the Enterprise-E had at least 47 decks, but the Sovereign class has only 29. And one thing that I don't get about post Roddenberry death TNG era ships is why the hell was there no neck between the secondary hull and saucer, and why are they so _sleek_ looking?? Honestly, these are Space Ships! They don't need to be aerodynamic! 🙄

@@pepperVenge Since when does every Roddenberry era starship have a neck? Also, we know from multiple episodes that there can be turbulence in warp so "aerodynamic" makes absolute sense. I guess a better word would be streamlined. As the Federation advances its knowledge of warp drive and how warp works it makes complete sense for them to update and revise their designs for ships. Just like cars on Earth have changed design to reduce drag and increase fuel efficiency as we have learned more about fluid dynamics. And now we get into the truly pointless. Who cares what the original draft wanted. If we're going to go by the original draft of everything then Star Trek is going to look VERY different. And I'm talking Roddenberry era here. There's a reason it's called a draft. What has deck count got to do with anything? The Federation builds starships to fulfill a role. In the post Borg invasion era the Federation needs a flagship that is less family and research vessel and much more actual battle capable. You want maneuverability (means smaller). You want something that doesn't present a massive target, means compact and smaller (removing the neck removes an obvious weak point and presents a lower profile), etc. There are literally dozens of real world reasons why the ship was redesigned the way it was within the fictional world. I get it, you like the neck.. but the Federation have to live within their reality, and this represents an evolution of design thought based on the needs of the Federation and the realities they face.

@@mycroft16 What do you mean _since when_ does every Roddenberry ships have a neck? Every ship with the classic Starfleet design (i.e. the design of the original Enterprise) had a neck before Roddenberry died. TOS Enterprise, and Enterprises A threw D had necks. As well as any ship that employed the classic Starfleet design. Even the Nebula class had a neck, though small, it was able to separate its saucer from it. Regarding aerodynamics in space: First of all, why does a space fairing vehicle need to be aerodynamic if 1) theres no air in space, 2) it has a main deflector that removes objects from its path, even microscopic, and even at warp, and 3) is capable of controlled decent in planetary atmosphere's -- it doesn't just fall with style the NASA shuttles did. Can you prove that a starship has to be aerodynamic to be able to propel to faster warp velocities, because that makes sense in an atmosphere, but physics in space is very different. Especially physics involved in faster then light travel. There is nothing in the way to create resistance. At least not in the way of air. There is plenty of stress put unto the hull do to E=MC2, but that is the point of the Warp Bubble; it makes the ship lighter so that it can travel faster then light. All an object needs is a deflector and a warp drive to be able to go to warp and avoid warp stress. You should probably read up on this. Further; I have to ask you to demonstrate where you got the idea that Aerodynamics is necessary for faster warp velocities. The Enterprise D, a Galaxy Class ship, is certainly not aerodynamic, but the Galaxy Class can go just as fast as the Sovereign class (as of 2377). But even its 2364 speed of warp 9.6 is still virtually the same speed as warp 9.9. The former would just be a few minutes behind. Your claim sounds made up. On the design of the Enterprise E; the writers (Moore and Braga) were very disappointing when the model for the E was released. They had to rewrite their script to fit the smaller ship as their script called for a much larger ship, but the production team either ignored them or didn't listen to the script well enough. This documentary explains the writers surprise at the Enterprise E model: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Xdbg_twTz3A.html

@@pepperVenge Miranda class anyone? Not just no neck, no secondary hull.

Plot armour and Deus Ex torps.

Also the future queen of the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta Quadrant Kathryn Janeway was on it

Absolutely ! Busting cubes open with one shot !!

@@maxwest6595 Plot armor exists in all of Star Trek shows. If there was none all the shows would end after the first episode. It's not a big deal.

It's coz thats a ship not a class

Excelsior class: sweating nervously

Well, the Miranda at least had the justification of having been built as an inexpensive, Modular Jack-of-all-trades from the ground up. It was the Honda Civic of Starfleet. The Prometheus is a Lamborgini and those only last until the next model comes out and they end up as scrap being used to make more Civics.

@@thebighurt2495 you know nothing about cars.

@@sardonicspartan9343 So... the Prometheus ISN'T a high-end performance model completely overengineered for everyday work? The Miranda ISN'T a straightforward, unflashy vehicle meant to do a simple job cost-effectively?

@@thebighurt2495 Civic is hardly a jack of all trades, more like a point A to B person transport that can carry some groceries. It can't do any real work. You want Jack-of-All-Trades.. the Ford F150 (or a good ol farm truck) is probably a better analogy. That being said Lambos that end up as scrap were those given to idiot rich kids with no brains. Lambos generally last a pretty long time and are not designed to be a daily driver. Only morons use them for that. Lamborghinis are collectors items, something meant to be fast, look good and be a treasure in your collection for generations. Miranda is your grandad's ol pick-up that refuses to die, Prometheus is what happens when you let a 16 year old get a hold of a Honda Civic and some money.

It's not very nice on the inside, though. The Galaxy was classy and felt like a fancy hotel that could still kick butt. On the defiant, you have to sleep in a wall cutout like a peasant.

Facts. In stop never upgraded ships once I got my Defiant class. Flew around in it till the end of the Ikonian war.

@@hobomike6935 It's not designed to be classy. It's designated as a warship so think of it more along the lines of a Klingon bird of prey. Compact. Minimal crew. No civilian sectors. Limited exploration systems. It gets in, does heavy damage, and gets out. They're an excellent attack ship that are incredibly durable and pack insane firepower for their size. Defiant class ships pack as much firepower as most cruisers for their time.

I liked the defiant, i thought of it as the birdof prey for the federations. If federation coudlnt make a fully clocked vessel, i thought perhaps they created a stealth system instead.

Small and feisty. What's not to love?

In combat, if you are not cheating, you are not trying.

@@danielhaire6677 And if you get caught, you didn't try hard enough.

Riker: "You're outmatched, you're out manned, you're outgunned...what do you have left?" Worf: "...Guile." Riker and Worf getting ready to pimp slap both the ENT-D and a Ferengi D'Kora-class Mercantile Raider with the half-scrapped 50+ year old mothball'd USS Hathaway.

I loved that line too. Instead of ship sjust firing and the battle goes as the story needs it to go, they admitted BEFORE the fight they have no chance. Then gained a huge edge with the visor trick. taking the audience on the whole journey. I loved it.

Also the line, "he must be the only engineer in starfleet that doesnt GO to engineering!"

Its a carrier gunship. This is probably the federation's best answer to a Battlestar.

No no. "Heavy Escort" lol

@@BamaChad-W4CHD Technically it's a heavy cruiser.

@@benlaskowski357 ...🤔 A heavy escort flight-deck cruiser? Could also use the Russian term Carrier-cruiser. Hell, that even makes some technical sense. Still, one must also remember that this is a federation starship, with science labs... I mean, all of the above. The Akira truly is a glorious design. I'd captain one. ✋

@@sagesheahan6732 Agreed. But only if it was the U.S.S. Challenger. As in the shuttle. 🙏😔

My ship of choice in Star Trek online.

@Bifrost A ship so powerful, it even summoned the Bifrost in a comment section once....

It’s introduction was great. They just kinda had it slowly ease up into view, it was reminiscent of Star Trek: the motion picture where the shuttle slowly brings the ship into frame, without the 10 minute cut of showing it from different angles

@@austinperry1671 same here. The legendary Miracle Worker version is my go-to on almost every character.

The Dreadnought is my favorite ship from all Star Trek universes and timelines. If it was in the Prime timeline it would've been the first purpose built warship as well as the first purpose built heavy warship. It had it all speed, maneuverability, too many weapons (which is a good thing) and as you mentioned the cloaking device. She truly was a beauty.

_"Honestly I'm surprised the Federation doesn't have some sort of dedicated missile boat."_ The _Akira_ class easily tops the list of Starfleet ships with _fifteen_ independent torpedo launchers (but oddly only five phaser strips). Alex Jaeger literally designed it for _ST First Contact_ as a torpedo boat mixed with a spacecraft carrier (though we never saw the forward-facing launch bays in use nor what types of fighter craft they carried).

I really enjoyed the last sentence!!

The steamrunner class is

@@dariusgreysun "Steamrunner", perhaps...?

The Oberth class was very good at killing people... Now if they would direct it towards the enemy instead...

Cast Donate, targeting your opponent, and give them permanent control of the Oberth Class ship. After a few turns, it explodes, killing the controller of it.

Yes... just not enemies

*coughs in Miranda*

Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel you say that like the pocket Connie exploded after 1 shot

@Jim Barrows Funny thing is, I thought the Federation was an alliance of races? So technically, with these all being human ships, they are actually Starfleet starships?

When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative. _Violence_

the universe is a dangerous place : )

People like to see things destroyed. It's human nature.

@@Forevermist From how I understand the lore, it was basically agreed upon that the species allied with Earth after the Romulan War that they would pool all of their technologies together when building starships, with the Vulcan Navy, the Andorian guard, and similar agencies of member Federation worlds being folded into Starfleet, because Earth was chosen as the Federation capitol since, it was Earth that helped form the coalition of races that halted the Romulan advance and the stabilization of the region. It was agreed upon to generally use Starfleet ship designs, but you often see and hear of starship designs by other races in Starfleet when sifting through lore, or ships entirely cured by a race that's not humans such as the USS T'Kumbra which is crewed entirely by Vulcans. and when going through the movies and series as a whole you'll bump into the complaint that Starfleet and the Federation often seems to be human centric. In essence, it's a little bit more complicated and nuanced.

That's was in the 23rd century when even a Ferengi cruiser could be considered as a "battle cruiser".

When they did convert it to a Warship something like ten more phaser arrays were added along with three more forward torpedo launchers and an additional one on the back.

Kaze Kami did they though? I mean yes they feared the Enterprise but every other galaxy class representation has seen them torn through as memory serves. It’s basically a cruise ship with enough guns to make pirates think twice

Luciferdesrea yeah speaking of that where is the galaxy x Dreadnought class in this list? I mean it gets mentioned but 17 phaser arrays 3 torp launchers twin phaser cannons the massive phaser lance and CLOAKING. The galaxy x deserves its own place on this list

Stealth Customs Corporation who rattled your cage asshole? I said nothing to you and didn’t come close to mentioning that JJ Trek abortion from the worst Trek HANDS DOWN. So call me an idiot again for not interacting with you or acknowledging the warm steaming pile of shit that is JJ Trek and for that matter your opinion.

@Stealth Customs Corporation at the start Spacedock says its on ships from the original star trek timeline, the vengeance is from the kelvin (JJ) timeline.

You undoubtedly know this but I'm saying it anyway: The Borg Cube (and all other Borg vessels) are not Federation starships.

No inclusion of Borg Sphere's

Assilimated? Hugh, me?

Janeway entered the chat

Till the Cube came across a Species 8472 battleship.

On a galaxy class starship they have enough extra space to afford such large suites. :)

Don't forget though that the Ford has to host the air and ground crews for up to 90 aircraft as well. The Enterprise-D had a few shuttles but otherwise it's crew are to fly and fight the ship alone, not the ship and a full fighter wing, an attack wing and multiple other aircraft. And the airport they all need to take off from and land on.

Miranda class in Dominion war era takes a close second...

I always think the Oberth class looks like either a hand blender or s 'personal massager'. 😉

When you really need to scrape the bottom of the barrel, the Oberth's got you covered. Made quite literally out of explodium-235.

Oberth and Discovery one from 2001 have similar looks, at least up front

It relied on transports to move between primary and secondary hull. What a wonderful idea, having crucial transportation reliant on systems that could fail at the worst possible time with no backup way to move between hulls on-foot! /sarcasm

It can and it will. Jadzia Dax and Seven of Nine will shortly ring your doorbell. :-)

Exactly my thought process when the intro switched(title was too long,didn't fully show)

lmao

They left off "with kung-fu grip!!"

Merchandising is pretty much the only reason stuff like that exists. Otherwise you could just attack with more than one ship with the same effectiveness.

Antimatter not included.

but where's the bathroom?

I would say it was more like 3v3. And quite bold from the Starfleet side, considering they thought Prometheus was under Romulan control

When did this happen on-screen? I would love to watch that.

@@BrandonBlackmoor VOY : Message in a bottle

Not forgetting the Sabre class

Considering its technically a carrier as well its always been my favorite non hero ship in the star trek universe with the nx01 being my favorite hero ship

@Michael Aldredge-Greenwell Go go Power Rangers!!!!LOL

Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad looking, ...and then it split into 3 and I was, "ah, okay." Remove the 3 parts and it would be nice. Hell, even just if it split in 2 it would've looked way better.

Dreadnought class. USS Vengance

@@justinweiand6153 prometheus rapes vengeance

@@justinweiand6153 different universe and older tech, so no on both counts.

That sounds like a huge exaggeration of the ship strength though (by the book). Not backed up by anything seen on screen.

Heck yeah dude. those were some of the federation's finest. They weren't even equipped for battle but could still make enemies think twice about trying to push starfleet around.

I both loved that factor and also felt it limited storytelling options. The Galaxy class was the flagship, its like a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. When one of those show up it is headline news worthy. We can also point to how big of a deal it was that the Dominion destroyed one. Stuff like that is great for universe building. The problem comes when the show is centered around such a ship and you have to find new ways to create drama and have the feeling that the ship is in danger. I think TNG did fairly good job at this, but there is the trap of feeling like you always have to raise the stakes until you reach a point of absurdity and everyone is like "how did we get here?" (think ST:O and every damn SW movie lol)

@@ggsimmonds1 True. Voyager was a fast and advanced ship. However, she was not as big and impressive as when a Galaxy class starship showed up somewhere and in the Delta quadrant Voyager was in real danger while she was alone out there. Yes, it is harder to create drama against a galaxy class ship versus a smaller, somewhat less powerful ship like Voyager. Its obvious Voyager is not a flagship.

@@jkeelsnc I don't think a Galaxy class could survive what Voyager went through. An Akira or sovereign of course, but the Galaxy I think not.

@@ggsimmonds1 if Galaxies are flasgships, why didn't they have flag officers?

Hah! Love it! Ghetto spacebarge... :)

- Deep Breath - KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

Yeah it's totally about the kapitan. Even if they don't think in 3D when in space...

No Kelvin Timeline, Only Prime Timeline

It would still be scary and powerful. The only reason why we didn't see the USS Vengeance in full glory is because she had a wrong captain who seemed so eager to start a war. Beautiful and Dangerous Ship. Wrong Captain(Admiral).

@@schwerenevonyildi1315 and it's section 31

Still it was a pretty big ship and pretty mean looking

Well, seeing as it's like almost 200 years before TNG, it wouldn't be that powerfull I guess.

Its a kitbash of a Voyager class and a Maquis Raider. Might be obvious to some though lol

Then of course was the Tantalus Class, which could never quite reach its design goals...

@@Surtwo And the Minotaur Class which got lost in a maze of red tape.

The Achilles class performed astonishingly well until someone discovered it's crippling weak point.

@@jossgoyanko7006 It was a Herculean effort to clean out the bugs in the Augean Class's systems but eventually it got done.

@@jossgoyanko7006 you joke but there actually is an Achilles class

I concur.

The Enterprise J looks like a pizza cutter.

@@admiralsquatbar127 :D

I agree with the armored Voyager, but that's cheating 😁

They were both from possible futures so they are kind of imaginary in that world.

I prefer the term "feisty".

I believe he did Vader’s 1st so...

Lol 😂😂😂

I see what you did there!!

@@NealCEdwards I'm going to sound like a complete nerd. Oh well. I hate the number 1! Just on the way it looks! The E is just to cool! That's the ship I'd wanna serve on. Even if I was the maintenance sanitary engineer.

@Blue Falcons suck Thank you. That gave me a much needed laugh.

@@keithjackson4985 It's a cool ship, but gimme a Defiant any day of the week!

Now we need the U.S.S Frankenstein that’s built out of the broken bits and pieces of other starships and no matter how many times you shoot it, it keeps coming back online

True but even the original Voyager displayed the endurance of a warship during the whole show. It took lots of damage and still worked.

@@diegov1290 it was an A10 Warthog. And I agree. And it should have been in the list.

Also, Seven of Nine helped in integrating Borg technology into Voyager which made it a hybrid, more oriented towards battle than exploration.

Idk what to say. I might be blinded by bias since it was my first series but Voyager probably is the deadliest. It's hard to find a ship that has killed or destroyed more. And if you want to measure deadliness then you have to count the dead.

@@Alovatololo I'm actually ok with Voyager fans saying they liked the voyager better than the enterprise. I grew up with TNG, so I'm a 1701-D man all the way. but by the time of star trek:voyager I admit the galaxy class was a bit elderly and she needed some younger, spritelier ships to step in and take the reigns. Can't have the classic ships on the front lines all the time, gotta spice things up and have variety to keep the enemy guessing.

I'll go one better, a meta-phasic, phase cloak. You can hide INSIDE A STAR. Warp out on an attack vector and have a plasma weapon of cosmic power... Eat that Starkiller base.

I approve, and hope they do more collaborations. XD

Oof it's been a while since I've seen a pic of the Godzilla NES creepypasta XD

robert i know its been 5 m but was you smoking crack when you made this comment or has you mind just went warp 5 into the sun

No, the Defiant class is the A-10.

I think the Galaxy Class would top the list of being the deadliest to its own crew. I mean one of them created a hologram capable of hijacking the ship while running an entertainment program.

Corey Micallef Oberth. Can’t recall a single one very more than two survived

@@nadohawk Yeah when people shot at it though. The Galaxy class could conceivably be taken over by a simulated Skynet just because someone was a bit careless in their wording when they wanted to play a holodeck version of The Terminator.

Corey Micallef, I don’t think the Galaxy class, or really any particular class is the deadliest to it’s crew; I think any ship named Enterprise is by default the deadliest. Seriously, I remember that the Enterprise-D was destroyed 16 times in one TNG episode

Federation Exploding Consoles, standard equipment on all Federation ships. The console removes 20% of YOUR crew for each minute of battle, use at your own risk.

Warp 13 obviously could not have violated Star Trek canon for the simple fact that it occurred in a Star Trek presentation. The internal explanation is quite straightforwardm The warp factors in the original series were cubed: warp 3 is 27c (that is 27 × the speed of light), warp 6 is 216c, and the like. In TNG, with the improvements of warp technology, warp factors were measured in a logarithmic scale. In "All Good Things", Starfleet engineers simply reworked their maths (the scale in the TNG timeline had become unwieldy, with several ships reaching warp 9.66, others 9.75, and beyond) to allow for the higher integers. These in turn enabled the crews to express velocity in metrics one could understand.

Voyager in the last 2 episodes was far stronger

He loves that ship. I totally get it.

Definitely not little.

Those were the best for story setups! Helpless little science vessels

Possible not counted as it's an alternate timeline?

Good point

Loved that ship.

I would assume that it would be included in the 'future refits' that he was speaking about.

Scottoest agreed - that is one awful looking craft.

Well the name is certainly passively imposing. "I'm here to ask some questions . . . and I expect answers."

@@reclaimatorerebus6531 Nobody expects the Inquiry-class!

You mean the USS Copypasta?

@@seanwhitman8353 true

I think it was implied it was the best standardized ship or he was bluffing

Edit, now I am 23 and I still LOVE the Prometheus!

Yea, I dont have much issue with how it looks, I think it actually looks pretty cool and used to be my favorite ship, but I have to say the multivector assault mode seems kind of ridiculous even from an in-universe standpoint. I get it can surprise an enemy the first time when it splits into 3 peices, but they will eventually learn of the class and its abilities. I get that it can be beneficial to do damage from multiple sides, but just as good to have 3 ships or 1 very strong ship, not both. But everyone has their opinions, and I understand why many people love it.

That’s so shipped! I mean based!

The sovereign was the most beautiful design since the Excelsior class.

It's a carrier though, which makes no sense at all. It's the Federation equivalent of the Battlestar Galactica and that's just stupid.

@Shocky May i ask why you think so? In my opinion, the Akira-class is just the perfect embodiment of the Federation’s multi-mission ship design philosophy. Can perform all the same missions of discovery and exploration as well as any science ship. Packs one hell of a punch(15 torpedo tubes and a huge payload of torpedoes aren’t a pushover). And it’s larger-than-normal hangar bay can be very useful for transporting extra shuttles or during evacuation/humanitarian missions.

@@luisarruda3061 I'm with you, the Akira class was like the spritual Successor to the _Excelsior Class_ starships; it could be an exploratory ship, a science vessel, an attack ship, a frigate, a Medical transport, or even a Ship-of-the-Line. At it's debut, it acted as the _De-facto_ backbone of the fleets and was a straight upgrade to most of the ships currently in service that weren't brand new.

I actually prefer the NX-class version. Not as futuristic, not as glossy and sleek, not covered in pretty glowing parts. But somehow it seems more "realistic" and "plausible". The design isn't as pretty but it grows appreciation over time.

@@pwnmeisterage I also love the NX.

STO?

@@benjamingrigsby9886 Star Trek Online.

Maester Dante Amadeus Oh, thanks.

I need to get the defiant on STO. My goto is the Dreadnaught Galaxy-X because super space death laser with 4 cannons is fun.

Haven't been playing STO, so noob question: are all Defiant-class ships cloakable? Are any other Starfleet ships cloakable in STO?

I love when they do this kind of thing. Makes it feel like a shared cinematic universe.

Lore Reloaded is more like 10%, 60%, and 30% finding some ridiculous new way to complain about Voyager.

@@nadohawk Don't forget that obligatory "bitch at and troll your audience about an opinion they disagree with" and the occasional unnecessary jab at Discovery. Can't be Lore Reloaded without those things.

Its like looking at my channel in text form.. love it..

@Diamond Frostmane But i am observant of things :)

I think he might be in denial about the Kelvin universe.

No, it specifically says in the intro that this ranking is only through about "Star Trek: Nemesis" (for whatever reason) in the timeline.

That was a wicked cool scene, but it seems he's focused on the Prime timeline

I'd imagine while for it's time the Dreadnaught class was the most powerful the technology in it is probably really outdated compared to ships in the Next Generation. Like if you built a giant World War 2 P51 Mustang and put it up against an F15 fighter jet.

@@quatjohn4375 i see said the blind man to his deaf daughter. Very few aircraft can touch an eagle to this day. Like the starships in defiant and those borg specific. Thanks John

You mean the tractor, right?

What does having a Masters in Business Administration degree have to do with your opinion on a science fiction ship?

From an engineering perspective, the Prometheus was a terrible idea. Splitting into three smaller ships is asking for a collision upon reconnecting. One hack to the docking protocol and bye bye starship. Plus reconnecting all parts leaves it exposed to weapons fire from cloaked vessels. And before anyone comes at me with "You cant fire through the cloak stupid", I have but one name to invalidate that argument: Scimitar.

@@mattrountree. because he is saying a 15 year old likes this ship. 🤷‍♂️ not just kids like this.

I know man just think you would have to have a coke machine, toilets, canteen - in every single section! Waste...

@@vytas5584 How about 3 outer hulls that take up space as well. Possibly mulitple warpcores in order to have every ship sustain warpspeed or remain powered during battle. There's so much wrong with it x)

What is so dumb about it? Variety is power.

I laughed so hard because I had never heard of this ship until I watched this video. Splitting into 3 ships had my jaw hanging lol

@@bigbeech Good question actually..!

One of those medical holograms was played by the utterly disgusting waste of air Andy Dick, so he doesn't count.

@@DIEGhostfish i was confused at 1st but now i see why...

Yay Prometheus class , but what’s competing for #1 is the Arbiter class battlecruiser

Daniel's logic: This ship that had hours of thought and design go into in, as well have some good screen time is rubbish! (Prometheus) But this thing that is a horrific Frankenstein's monster, and had no meaningful screen time is awesome! (Yeager)

Only one confused hologram controling the ship, the second confused hologram was standing in the rear comlpaining XD

In terms of classic, clean hull design here is nothing than can beat the presence of an Excelsior class starship especially the original design (not the refit). Because the hull design had to be engineered to withstand the anticipated stresses of transwarp it was a very solid, sturdy design and with various refits it has remained relevant as a workhorse starship that will be eventually supplanted by ships like the intrepid class. Still the excelsior is one of my favorites and has a timeless appearance. Think of your favorite clean looking classic cars from the 1960's and you get an idea of the classic nature of these old but still often effective starships. They are not as powerful as larger, newer designs but still pretty well armed for their size. They aren't quite cannon fodder like the mirandas are but they also won't hold up long against larger ships like galaxies, sovereigns, warbirds, vor'cha class cruisers and cardassian keldon class cruisers. Against similarly sized and equipped opponents they can still hold their own. Of course, Admirals have often chosen Excelsior class starships for their personal flagship. I think that says something about the brilliance of its design and its staying power in the fleet.

Didn't Sulu almost broke that ship twice in VI?

I was thinking when he was mentioning about the Sovereign class leading the destruction of a Borg Cube that the Intrepid takes on a borg nest for banter.

Because Voyager has a badass Photonic Cannon against the Borgs. LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm surprised you guys are into these old shows! I am 34 and I watched Voyager when I was your age haha

It would make worfs decision to ram the borg cube make more sense.

The federation: “bite my shiny metal @$$!” Enemy ships: *tear up the starfleet ship’s hull with just a few shots* The federation: “wait noooo” =(