I must say these "first flying machines"series is very entertaining to watch, so how about something a bit harder: The Pescara helicopter(1922-1923) one of the first attempts of a modern helicopter with quite a legacy with few world records and a tech used today like counterrotating rotors.
I was literally about to comment to comment "Were the Wright brothers right. Build the right flyer with the same mechanics and design and see how or if you can improve it
In terms of counteracting torque, i believe it was done by the dihedral (the v shaped tilt of the wings). a plane with a dihedral has a natural tendency to stay straight because any roll inputs would result in uneven forces of lift on the sides, hence it always goes back to the centre. almost all planes have this feature but as seen in the painting, the dihedral was much higher in the 14-BIS in order to constantly counteract torque.
Being brazilian: I was surprised when people told me about the wright brothers because i was always taught about santos-dumont, i actually saw a replica fly at the Aeroclube De Bauru ( my hometown ) during a military event.
Scrap man I am freaking loving your new videos. The historical things, the bills, the stories, it's literally got everything and I really love what you've done with your channel. Please do more like this.
I love theese videos about replicas, giving backstories and some history while building and how accurate you can build them. I hope this format continues. Reading the comments it seems like it would take a while before running out of good ideas.
a bit of an explanation: before the days of fixed wing aircraft where we had metal wings, airplanes were made of cloth. thus, the first airplanes used 'flex wings'.(not related to flex tape). rather than add cuts and hinges to cloth and risk a tear, they instead bent the flexible wings ever so slightly so they could turn. this one has a box on the front that moves, so its pitch and yaw is obvious, but i think the wings themselves are flexing for roll. either that or it has no roll, seeing as the first airplane designers were thinking more in 2d, with turning left and right, but not thinking about flipping around since no ground vehicles needed roll before.
Now that we're talking planes, how about you build the biggest plane, made out of wood, which is the Hughes H-4 Hercules? It would be huge but mechanically shouldn't be. Scrap Mechanic or Trailmakers.
@@Kk-nu4oq no, i meant it does not simulate air physics in the correct way to allow that to work as it does in real life(all the forces will cancel out and it will behave as if there are no wings)
Well, you know you've made a good model of the original when you look at the original and go "Oh God why is it tipping like that when it takes off?" and then yours does the exact same thing lmao
0:53, This is not a modern replica, is a exact replica of the 14-Bis, even the silk is made for the same family of the original. He has cannard set up, you never heard about?
@@SPEXWISE, the Wright Flyer 1 *did*, in fact take off under its own power. The Wright Flyer 3 incorporated a launch tower ‘catapult’ to provide added power so they didn’t have to keep moving the launch rail every time the wind changed direction.
@@SPEXWISE yes, I didnt watch the rest of the video (I still consider the wright flyer the first airplane because of the whole when you are losing, just disqualify the opponents.)
I'm brazilian and, if you look carefully, in the same youtube channel that you watched the 14bis's flight, there is a video that he explains that the intial flights of the flyer 1 didn't used any external tool to help the plane takeoff beside the rails, they invented the "slingshot" only on flyer 3 to make it easier, bcz in the desert where they flew, the wind change too often and they needed to keep changing the rails direction in order to takeoff oposite of the wind direction.
I'm loving this new series, where you make something from real life and then make it in Trailmakers or Scrap Mechanic, It reminds be of YDIB (You Draw, I Build)
After a few more of these weird historical and theoretical flying creations, you should make a compilation video showcasing how all of them perform on the high seas map in low and strong wind conditions. Considering how many sails you have and how delicate some of their mechanisms are, it will probably end very badly, but would still be very interesting to see.....for science!!
It’s often who commercializes the invention who gets the credit. This funds the inventor for further refinements and mass production. The Wright Brothers had to try hard to convince the Army to buy their aircraft, but they did.
I’m american and I have to say, the wright brothers used one too, but the wright brothers most certainly succeeded first because they were in newspapers in Europe by the time the 14-bis was even heard of.
The first /practical/ aircraft was Blériot's Type XI. It was very basic, but basically in layout a modern light aircraft, with a propellor at the front, straight wings, and a vertical fin and tailplane at the back. It had the great advantage over the Wright Flyer, 14-bis and other early aircraft that it was STABLE - Blériot basically only had to use the controls to point the aircraft where he wanted it to go, instead of fighting with it to keep it going in a straight line as was clearly the case with the 14-bis reconstruction in the video above. This was very important given his project of flying from France to England across more than twenty miles of cold water and a lot of shipping.
At the time Blériot's Type XI was made, Santos Dumont had already made the Demoiselle. The Demoiselle had the exact same layout as the Type XI you talk about, propellor at the front, straight wings, and a vertical fin at the back. The actual first practical airplane.
"When he made the first airplane crossing of the English Channel, covering the 40 km (25 mi) between Calais and Dover in 36 minutes, 30 seconds. It was not the longest flight to date either in duration or distance." Guy made a plane to just be the first to cross the english channel and nothing else uwu
First of all, yes I'm a brazilian and I studied these two as the some of the first flying machines. 0:45 :That's a very good brazilian channel made by an airfield mechanic that worked on the United Airlines, Lito Sousa. So, to start with, the diference between the two was their primarily function: -The Wright brothers wanted the comercial way, a machine to transport goods/people faster that they could use to make some good money. That's why there was so much secrecy about their design at the time, they wanted to get it patented without problems with knock-offs; -Dumont was a very rich inventor that liked flying machines, hence his passion for airships (that would be originally used to make the flight in order to win a prize for flying machines that existed at that time in Europe), so he wasn't caring about anything except making these machines. Indeed, because of his habit of sharing the blueprints in daylight midstreet, many others took advantage of his design and tecnology advancements to make their own. Basically, you can think of all this like: The brothers design was the first flying machine that was built and actually worked to sustain flight, while the Dumont's variant was the first proper airplane as we know today, and helped to create the first steps of the "heavier-than-air flight" industry.
Wikipedia says that an ‘airplane must be able to take off under its own power’ So gliders are not planes? Ok… But I would definitely say the German Messerschmitt 163 qualifies as a plane, and that used detachable wheelers that were ditched after take off!
its funny that Kosmo did a video on trail makers making the Wright Flyer just yesterday and now you're making the 14-BIS. and both of you built it on the Aircraft Carrier, which makes sense sense you need the runway, but I still found it a funny coincidence.
Please 🥺 do some research on shivkar bapuji Talpade who has supposedly made the first airplane ever in 1895 in British india . He was highly discouraged but supposedly he did fly and witness by crowd also he might have died in the end cuz of it. A indian movie was also made on it called hawaizade
Now... Ladies and gentlemen let me bring in INDIA Shivkar Bāpuji Talpade built the first flying plane in 1895 .... But there were no proof.... But it is said that he did indeed fly...... Soo.....
Wright did take off using a sled, yes… but it was not pushed, it took off under its own power off that track. Even with that, it still qualifies under the rules written to try and disqualify them. By early 1905 the Wright flyer still did not have wheels, but took off on wooden skis that stayed attached, and would fly for 10-15 minutes at a stretch with a frame that was solid, other than the wing tips bending for roll control since ailerons were not yet envisioned. What they did in 1903 is, period, the first powered and controlled man flight in history. How it got into the air itself is immaterial, as it sustained itself and was controlled. The French and Brazilians, though, blatantly copied a few parts of the Wright design, but very shoddy in comparison, and could fly with no wind for 3-5 minutes without risk of structure failure… and they made new rules in mid 1905 to try and come out ahead after the fact.
If you ask a Indian who invented the plane they would say who the Frick are these wright brothers and santiz Dunant the Brazilian guy plane was invented by Shivkar Bapuji Talpade in (1895 )sorry if wrong spellings were used
America is not the rest of the world. I'm British and I agree with the French ruling. What kind of flight isn't under it's own take off power? That's the thing with rules they exist for a reason and they don't cater to american (self delusional) exceptionalism.
A typical glider aircraft is catapulted off the ground as it's an unpowered aircraft, it uses pockets of hot and cold air to maneuver A glider today is considered to be an aircraft, would Brazilians count that as flying? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qoKftHt9_EI.html - link to reference video
All right you win scrapman I give up I like the pun though "that's not wright" also I still think you should try to make a flying fish with sails for wings that is also a sub No.21
11:10 the turning right thing also happens on mine computer, my plane was completly fine until i added the propellers, then the same thing occured, so i don´t think this is a sail bug.
How about a car with spherical wheels for the next one? I got the idea from this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5p-B51FKEps.html I don't know whether the challenge mode balls or those larger heavy ones would be better
1:40 There is very little roll control, the wings are angled like that so that the plane automatically rolls to a horizontal level without any input from the pilot
well. you dont see something like a jumbo jet boeing 777 taking off with assistance from another plane so the organization is within its right to call out that an aviation vehicle must take off under its own power. the issue was the wright flyer was too heavy to take off under its own power. the Bis14 on the other hand needed no assistance and could do everything on its own. basically the wright flyer wasnt efficient when trying to take off vs the Bis14 getting the better hand.
The US Navy uses launch catapults all the time. Also, the Wright flyer took off under it's own power after its first flight but before the 14-bis's first flight.
Yes. Like the above reply says the first Flyer took off under its own power, not to mention with a greater range. And not to mention, a carrier launched Corsair propeller aircraft or modern day jet is still a plane.
@@jackmagnium6115 The strong winds at kitty hawk could change quickly and prevent the Flyer from taking off. On the first version the rails kept it straight for takeoff
First plane is just metal and man power and sails and engine and more things that will wasted my time to say it but scrapman is that plane look so wrong bc is just a backward plane
scrap man ! these historical videos are epic. love watching your brain at work and learning about history while learning the proccess of engineering design. fantastic stuff . keep at it dude
Hi ScrapMan I have a question : why didnt you put two counnter rotating helicopter engines without any weights or air resistance when trying to use the helicopter blades as a propeller just asking because the 4 small propellers are a bit less accurate to the original
I'd like to see an attempt to build a strandbeest. A windpowered walker which may be doable but there could be some limitations in Trailmakers to work around but idk.
I don't know much about trailmakers, but could you have used two helicopter engines, one going left while the other goes right? This could possibly balance out the torque that the first engine gave.
who bulid the first plane: Germany: Otto Liliebnthal ("Normalsegelapparat", technical a glider in 1893). Brasilia: Alberto Sontos Dumont (14-BIS in 1906) World: Wraith Brotherth, (first Gliders in 1899, planes with motors in 1903)
"Normalsegelapparat"? Thats what it was names? Interesting how if you add space such as "Normal segel apparat" it directly translates from Swedish to English as "Normal sailing apparatus"
@@KfzmChris i always find it interesting how similar germanic language can be in terms of words. Since I would of never guessed it was a german word out of context.
5:03 like the USA did with the whole thing about winning the space race considering they were second place during pratically all of it? It was a great 7x1 in favor of the USSR Yet, the USA claimed victory because they did one thing first. Pretty sure if had they arrived at the space first instead of the USSR, they would have ended the "race" there
That's not really comparable to the situation with the planes. With the planes, that was a case of someone disputing that something didn't really even happen. At no point did anyone in the US dispute that Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space according to a rule I just made up. That's not what this is about. So what is the space race anyway? Is it a whole bunch of separate events and we count up gold medals at the end? That's the Russian perspective on it. Or is it one big marathon and whoever gets the furthest wins? That's the American perspective. How can you objectively decide which one of these is the more fair interpretation, and do you have a space race rulebook to back up that claim?
Have to disagree with the first flight thing. The Wright Brothers were the first to take flight regardless of their means of propulsion. That's like saying China, 50 years after the USA landed on the moon, was the first to make it to the moon because the USA used the wrong type of rocket fuel or launch platform. Anyway, fun fact ..... *Aviation in France dates back to the early 1900s the country's first flight was recorded by Louis Blériot in 1909.* -Wikipedia
The Flight of the Wright brothers was unknown until 1911, 8 years after it supposedly took place and 5 years after the public flight that Alberto Santos Dumont made for the entire population of Paris. Nobody, not even in the USA, knew who the Wright brothers were in 1906, when the airplane was invented by Santos Dumont. ⚠Basically the USA said, 5 years after Santos Dumont was recognized by all the countries as the inventor of the airplane, that the Wright brothers made a previous flight in 1903, but did not say because they wanted to keep the invention secret for military reasons . It was the word of the US government versus the testimony of the people who had watched Santos Dumont's planes fly over Paris year after year. When they organized a public demonstration to show that the Wright brothers' invention actually existed, in 1911, it was embarrassing. It was a catapult, and it was clear that the Wright brothers had not mastered the concepts of aerodynamics discovered by Santos Dumont. Why then are the Wright brothers considered the inventors of the airplane? They are not. In most countries, Alberto Santos Dumont is considered the inventor of the airplane. And until the 1970s, only the USA, Canada, England and Australia had the courage to assume the story of the Wright brothers as true, driven largely by an Anglo-Saxon rivalry against France. Since Santos Dumont, despite being Brazilian, chose Paris to develop and exhibit his inventions. It was the great importance of the USA throughout the 20th century and its great influence that, little by little, many countries began to treat the Wright brothers as inventors of the airplane. Including these changes usually happened after US bilateral agreements in the trade area that were accompanied by this kindness. That is, the USA has been promoting and lobbying the Wright brothers since the beginning of the 20th century. Their recognition as inventors of the airplane is not natural, it is the fruit of a century of lobbying. Santos Dumont was heir to one of the biggest coffee businesses in the world in the 19th century. He sold all his assets to finance the development of the plane in Paris, so that when he managed to accomplish the feat, there would be no contest. After all, unlike any city in Brazil, Paris was the center of the world and would be a better witness. Paris also facilitated access to labor and inputs, which in Brazil were more difficult or took longer to obtain. Although it cost him his fortune to leave Brazil to live in Paris, which at the time was already a very expensive city. We are talking about a person who was, at the end of the 19th century, one of the greatest fortunes in the world.
