15F Punishers Ranked WORST to BEST | Data Comparison | TEKKEN 8 

I found it a little funny the video opens with that example lol

true i am a claudio main myself

I think it's an overall character ranking. Claudio's df1,2 is much better than shaheens other option

@@alexonstott4954 that’s not the move I’m talking about. Also, please explain how df1,2 is better than a low crushing hop kick, which they both have and it has the same range

​@@SebuTKhalf the cast has a low crushing hop kick. Claudio is better because df1,2 is much better than Shaheen df2

Werent electrics shown at 14f ? Am i tripping ?

@Gorecatto Ah yes my mistake I forgot!

While that is a completely true argument, I still kinda think having a safe launcher is important. You're not always going to react to every move on time or there are times when the game takes your input late due to lag or whatever, especially when you've guarded moves that are hard to perfectly react like Leroy's ff2,2 or Jin's samsara. I would also consider ease of use as well. Like dvj's 15 launcher for example, here it's number 2 on the list but the fact that it's a move with a down command(which isn't usual for a 15f launcher) and the fact that it's death sentence on block, most people don't usually think about it constantly, making it slower to use reactively. I think, psychologically, having a safer and easier-to-use move would make you think about it more and thus make it more reliable to be used on reaction. Including what you've said, I think the video is pretty pointless when it comes to practicality and in-game usefulness. Also, the factors that were considered in the rankings were really vague and lacked explanation(I understand he wanted the video to be short and simple). That's why I think people are really critical in the comments. Personally, I also have gripes such as how is Lee worse than Feng, how is Victor only 15th on the rankings, and while I get that combo damage wasn't a factor what's the point of having good damage if the combo route is so limited and leads to having very poor combo.

Yeah I was wondering why he didn’t just complete the string

They haven't given him an easy 15 frame punish for well over 4 Tekken titles. It's pretty much a part of the characters identity. He is notoriously execution heavy.

It doesnt launch crouching, also this video is for punishment and not application (evasion and safety)

Technically she (and kazuya) could be in first place in 13f punishers But he did said that didnt want to consider combo damage, just mostly the range

it's not i15

nuh uh, max range

​@@hunters.hideoutOh, I see, thanks

Remember, he's talking about it as a 15f punisher, not just as a 15f launcher. I think range is a big factor here, since Jin and Devil Jins cancan are really shit moves to just throw out, but as punishers they have great range and lead to 90+ combo dmg routes.

Paul, Hwoarang, Lee, Shaheen, Law, Nina, with the same df2, lookin at this comment like 👀

@@Dr.Happy11 theirs do not duck highs

@@riceyboi7069 is that why Claudio was ranked no.1? Cause of the range of both the 15f?

@@enerdgeticu They do jab crush, similarly to Yoshi's.

It's a punishment tierlist. How safe the move is doesn't matter, just the range and the reward, damage / oki.

@@ChayBenji oh i see

its block punshment, but it still doesnt make sense since the actual combos are what matters and not launcher damage.

On block. This is hit ranking, and dvj blows up armor with d3+4

@@marioster2 its Punishers. that means you are guaranteed to land the attack as the enemy recovers.

If you use it as a punisher and your opponent blocks it, you're the bottom tier not DJs cancan mlao

@@Dr.Happy11 Oh youre right! Every punisher could be -100 on block and it wouldnt change anything. Youre genius

Meanwhile, they took Devil Jin's CH df+2 from him...