Lishi's may be more expensive and harder to get than a regular pick, but they are just a packaged pick/turning tool and guide for a specific lock body. It's an easier to use pick for a specific type of lock. No lock should require a Lishi over a standard pick. [edit] But there are locks that can't fit a Lishi that can still fit a standard pick, so switch your A and B tiers.
Or it's a rock-paper-scissors-style triangle, which would make perfect sense considering a normal human probably couldn't beat Superman: LPL defeats Kryptonite, Kryptonite defeats Superman, Superman defeats LPL. then again, how can we be certain that LPL is, indeed, a "normal" human?
No they wouldn't, they'd immediately discontinue that lock, make a 2.0 of it that's 'fixed' back to their standard. Remember Confucius say: Key that open any lock, master key. Lock that open to any key, Master Lock™.
I'm pretty sure I got a local industrial tool chain store to dump most of their Masterlock padlocks by showing them one of LPL's videos. These guys are a serious industrial tool outlet. They stock only high quality brands and despise crap tools. One day a Masterlock cabinet turned up behind the counter. I had a chat with one of the senior sales staff and showed him one of his stocked model padlocks being opened with a shim. A couple of weeks later the cabinet was gone. I'm not sure if it was a coincidence but I like to think I did a little bit to convince them that Masterlock wasn't a great affiliate.
@@andymanaus1077 That is because most people are not aware of what LPL and the locksport community does and if they were companies like Masterlock would find it very hard to sell their products. But the problem is laziness in the consumer, good marketing and also price, they all combine to make the average consumer unaware of the flaws in the lock they just bought
I was expecting worse: a comb pick. I saw the American Lock keyway and thought, "Oh, no. Please don't tell me they just rebranded the American puck lock."
Honestly, I would have preferred that. I miss the picking and gutting he used to do. It's almost always just a commercial for Covert Instruments the last few years.
What grinds my gears is that it costs manufacturers almost nothing to include serrated and/or spool pins. While tolerances are costly to maintain, security pins are a trivial addition which cost the company a fraction of a cent each. Given the high retail cost of consumer locks, it makes me mad that these companies spend a hundred times the money on marketing their crappy locks than they do on actually making their locks secure.
@@xtrem5428 They are just greedy and don't care. Let's be real for a moment. How much marketing do they actually do apart from claims of "High Security" on the box?
If they made the pins they would have to justify the cost to the shareholders. If they bought them in, the price would get inflated because of 'demand'. Again they would have to justify it to their shareholders. The shareholders dont care.
Oh, hello! I am at roughly 10 years now (officially in infosec), so should I invest in a bigger container for popcorn? Or any other advise from your side?
@@babilon6097 Your original comment is an oxymoron; LPL didn’t feature a good lock here and I can’t recall a time he ever has By his own words, he’s featured a “competent” lock 😅 J/K, there have been more than a few times that he’s provided legit praise for a quality lock, but I’ve never seen one take him more than make 40 seconds at the absolute most Provided that he got past security undetected, he could prolly break into area-51 in under a minute, lol “Oh… wow… Area-51‘s files are secured with master locks… where’s my rake tool; that’s more than enough… *maaaaybe* I’ll bust out a tensioner to preserve their feelings 🤔… nah”
@@CptJistuce I normally wouldn't question lpl but this lock I had to tackle recently and there are tutorials on here for it, the mechanism removes from the lock body with a screw so it's real easy to see the pins if you want to see what you are doing, a fun lock to play around with for sure
@@TheJohnDornthis is a puck lock, this is likely going to end up being used flat against a surface in such a way that you could not possibly pick a high set pin with a standard lock pick so that tool will likely be required for many applications of this lock
I believe you could get the Kryptonite lock open with a pick and turner. It is just that a Lishi makes it easier to keep track of what you’re doing. The Kryptonite has six pins, but apparently they’re all just regular pin. Ironically Master Lock sells a plastic body lock with a six pin core meant for equipment tag-out and it is probably as pick resistant as the Kryptonite lock. I’m not sure why six pins on a non-security lock - it isn’t like they need that many pins for tiered key system or whatever.
@@wtmayhewLock-out locks need to be tamper-evident. If the worst happens and someone dies, it needs to be obvious whether the lockout was forgotten or someone futzed with it because it was in their way. A highly-competent core makes the brute-force approach more attractive, and the plastic body will show evidence if it was hammered open(as folks are wont to do with Master)
@@CptJistuce Thanks for adding that. A six pin core still seems like overkill, but better safe than sorry. It is too bad that people exist who would consider picking to bypass lock out, but I suppose pressure situations for meeting production quotas might make an unscrupulous person consider it.
Sounds good in theory but your average padlock would cost $100.00. If all I'm locking up is a few school books or my paint cabinet I probably don't need that.
@@toddlower5546 Agree, a lock this good is an overkill for a school locker; the power tools, the wintershed, your fancy garden furniture, your motorbike, those need a better lock, dont you think?
Probably pulling out the Lishi because he couldn't get a reliable 30-second pick for camera. Which, of course, should be the base standard for a functional lock.
@@robertbackhaus8911 might be the case, or it is simply an advertisement of Covert Instruments. LPL usually rotates through different products of his company (I am perfectly fine with that)
When I was a kid (60 years ago) a buddy of mine whose family was from Puerto Rico told me that often, on the island, people would have dummy locks with no real latching capacity that were sufficient to deter most mischief. Enough to discourage the nearly honest. It seems Master has applied that lesson globally.
As long as it can't be combed open it's head & shoulders above the competition. I work in the trades & scared not only my coworkers but the bosses as well when I opened every puck lock in our yard in less than 5 minutes...
@@squelchtone Someone at Bowley replied in the Tested comments. Apparently we shouldn’t hold our breaths if we expect to get any models 543 because Bowley considers it obsolete. There is a small chance they’ll make another run. Something tells me that Bowley will be getting a lot of calls and e-mails since their lock made an appearance on Tested.
As excited as I get for "the tool that Bosnian Bill and I made" I get the exact opposite feeling when he pulls out a Lishi. Much prefer watching single pin picking. Can we compromise and get a Lisha and single pin picking in one video? 😊
To be honest, the "good old days" probably didn't exist as such. You had just as many trash locks floating around, but the knowledge of how to pick locks effectively was far more restricted.
For LPL to call a lock "Competent", that alone sets it above average. The fact he didn't just break out the wave rake or a cut up soda can puts this miles ahead of some of the other locks.
I would love to see picking in a real world scenario for this type of lock. How about picking one actually locked to a container. I notice that some container lock mechanisms will allow a key, but there is no way the liechi tool would fit let alone picks.
I had forgotten how awful the Kryptonite key shape was until I saw them sitting there. The hole on the side means they never hang with the rest of the keys on the key ring. I had a shiver run up my spine remembering that key jamming into my leg whenever I’d sit down.
While it is interesting to see him defeat the consumer grade locks in just a few seconds, I really would love to see a video of locks that LPL thinks are “good.”
You should do a rating system overall. Each security feature gets a set number of points and overall gets a score at the end. Make it an open standard for everyone to use or something.
LPL needs to create an LPL security level system and rate locks for a fee. System should have categories and ratings. Things like mechanical protection, lock pick-ability and any other categories LPL defines. Lock companies could pay for the right to use his logo and ratings for particular products. I would trust this rating system 1000x more than any other existing today.
Hi @LockpickingLawyer .. do you have any FAQ video going into depth (no pun) on how you recognize a lock and know pin #'s, which numbers skip, what binding means, what a false gate is, what the good click you get means, and why tensioning is needed? You could do a sort of PowerPoint or basic images or animated gif of sort of the view from within the lock/core. The tensioning I get actually, it's because the little 'piles of pins' with gaps will kind of being pinched or held in place where you tap them into, rather than springing back down. But false gate, binding, and that huge click I still don't fully follow after watching dozens of your videos .. kudos and thanks
He sells these, but they were invented by Zhi Qin Li in China in about the year 2000. He uses them to demonstrate the picking process because it's much easier for us to see compared to a traditional pick where he has to tell us what he's feeling rather than us seeing that the pick encounters resistance...then with a little more force moves a pin and becomes set.
The problem with Lishi tools is, that they make picking easier, but you need the right one for the lock. For that you need to be able to find out, what kind of lock body is build into the lock you want to pick. There are 14 Lishi tools (6 of them for cars) in his shop ATM, costing around $50 each. To be prepared, you need them all. And of course, if you happen to live outside of the US there is a good chance, those might not fit most locks in your country. Let's just agree, that using one of those is down to getting lucky and it's not as universal as using a rake or a pick. It's like using the lift when you can also use the stairs: a bit longer, a bit more tedious, but in the end more rewarding. Let's hope he will not use a lock gun or C4 to show how easy it can be to open any lock...
Kryptonite: I got a 60% on the test! Everyone: Why are you so happy, that's pretty low? Kryptonite: At least I PASSED unlike you losers! Wooo! Bare minimum met!
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