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1965 Magnavox Astro-Sonic console stereo repair - part one 

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Here's part one of the repair of a 1965 Magnavox solid state Astro-Sonic console stereo, using the R204 series chassis. You may recall that I made a video of this same stereo when I first obtained it and I thought it was a '66 model; but, after opening it, I found that it was made in mid-1965. In this video, I cleaned all the controls and replaced all of the electrolytic capacitors. One capacitor was open and the rest measured 2-5 times higher than their stated value when measured on a modern capacitance meter. When a capacitor test much higher than expected on a modern cap meter, that usually means that the cap is leaky. Sure enough, when I tested the old capacitors on an old-style Eico capacitor tester from the '60's, they showed leakage. Most of the original capacitors are Nichicon-branded Japanese capacitors. Nichicon is a good brand that I still use today; but, after close to 50 years, they are showing their age and need to go.
After the controls were cleaned and the capacitors replaced, the audio quality was much better; but, the FM performance is not as good as I think it should be. I tested all three transistors in the FM front end (RF amp, mixer, oscillator) and they all seem to have some leakage. These are all PNP germanium transistors that cross over to an NTE126. When tested on the diode test function of a DMM, I measure the expected .3 volts in the forward direction from B to E and from B to C; however, when I reverse the leads, I'm getting about 1.3 to 1.8 volts when I should not be getting anything. In the past, I've ran into germanium transistors that tested like that; but, would still work. So, I decided to take some voltage measurements at the transistor terminals to help determine if the transistor is functioning properly or not. At $10+shipping/ea, I'd rather not replace any transistors that I don't have to. If I have to replace a transistor, I will likely first try a more modern (and cheaper) silicon device. Sometimes, a silicon device will work in place of a germanium device; and, other times, the bias voltage is off enough that a silicon device won't work.
After making voltage measurements, I found 0V on the collector of the FM RF amp transistor when there should be -15V at the collector. In the next video, I'll attempt to find out why the -15V is missing.
As far as FM performance, I can semi-decently receive the strongest local FM stations; but, I have to turn the volume up higher on FM to get the same degree of loudness that I get on AM. As far as weaker FM stations, they are either very faint or non-existent.
The AM band, with it's tuned RF front end, seems to be fairly hot.
Once we get the radio working correctly, we'll move to the record changer. This model uses a Collaro Micromatic changer, like what's in most Magnavox products from that era.

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@ElCineHefe
@ElCineHefe 5 месяцев назад
I'm impressed by your esoteric expertise in a long forgotten field. Bravo!
@justsumguy2u
@justsumguy2u 11 лет назад
Now there's a quality stereo worth restoring. Ahh, germaniums..they love to grow tin whiskers and short to case, which is where the leakage is usually derived from. But $10 a pop? Wow! I'm hoping you only have a couple of bad ones, because that could get expensive real quick. Looking forward to part II
@WizardClipAudio
@WizardClipAudio 8 лет назад
I have one of these from the 50's and a mid 60's one like this that with need rewired,.. I'm glad I'm finally finding resources for this.
@alanmaier
@alanmaier 10 лет назад
I have one of those Astro-Sonic 20's and have the opposite problem with FM after a recap. It pulls in so many local stations in that I need to turn off AFC for clean audio - the AFC is just too wide/strong. I had to walk away from it due to other projects, but I keep wondering if I am expecting too much. I think to myself that here in Fort Wayne (where I am, and it was designed) we had all of 2 FM stations on the dial, and later a third one came along. We were in an AM word. I'm about to rebuild the Micromatic and call it done, but I'm not happy. I have an Imperial in the next room along the same outside wall, and it has much better selectivity - and I have not recapped it yet. I look forward to part 2!
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
I just bought a receiver like this ,seeing this video before gave me confidence to know I can do anything t may need
@TheRamsberg
@TheRamsberg Год назад
I'm literally watching this video on a TV which is positioned on top of a Magnavox Astro-Sonic, but one with side firing speakers, and forward tweeters, and with more modern style caps in them.
@fredfabris7187
@fredfabris7187 8 лет назад
I wish we HAD a local parts house.
@tectalabyss
@tectalabyss 11 лет назад
Great Job on the repairs. Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to the next video. Take care.
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
I'm getting 0 on all 3 leads of the coil. The B and E terminals of the transistor have around 2.5 and 2.8 volts on them, with C having 0. connecting an external antenna helps a little.
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
I looked in Sams and there are two more photofacts covering the R204 series chassis. They are 697-10 and 796-5.
@ducklandwikeno
@ducklandwikeno 11 лет назад
My Volume Control is bad on my Magnavox Astro Sonic 1965 model . I cleaned the volume control many time and its the same results always . The control gets scratchy after six months or so .I should replace all the caps in her too It also has the old nichcon caps in her . I need to find the right replacement caps for her . Also My FM Tuner is messed up too , No stereo indicator light on it when changing the channels on the tuner .
@jasonputnam7298
@jasonputnam7298 5 лет назад
I am trying to fix almost the same exact model and still looking for Schematics
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
The higher powered top end models had a seperate amp/power supply chassis. The lower and mid line models had the amp, tuner, and PS on a single chassis.
@ldchappell1
@ldchappell1 8 лет назад
I had an all-in-one console like that for a few years back in the 70s. They're great but can be a pain in the ass if you have to move.
@markmarkofkane8167
@markmarkofkane8167 5 лет назад
Another old classic!!
@seatboi
@seatboi 5 лет назад
I just LOVE re-capping those astro-sonics! When I had my shop, I had a guy who collected astro-sonic consoles (He had 25 of them!!!) And he had me restore every one for him! It was fun and easy! Kinda curious, though, WHY didn't you recap the tuner board?
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 5 лет назад
Shango066 worked on one similar to that and replaced all the capacitors on the stereo fm decoder board and got the stereo light to come on again
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 7 месяцев назад
yes KLH speakers have a very nice sound
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 4 года назад
i saw your post on facebook re: the webcor record player a few days ago
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
Yep, you nailed it.
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
If crappy components don't kill modern electronics, lead-free solder will. I can just see someone trying to restore a modern ChinaDung flatscreen TV to operating condition in 50 years - it ain't gonna happen! I may be off my rocker; but, I think it's all a conspiracy so that stuff will die in short order and keep the junk makers in business constantly selling people crap.
@josephsirois2353
@josephsirois2353 7 лет назад
radiotvphononut you got it my friend👍
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
luckily i still have some solder that has lead in it
@dirtyharry621
@dirtyharry621 6 лет назад
radiotvphononut I am in California and I have a Magnavox Micromatic record changer from a 1963 Astro Sonic that is producing distortion out of both channels. It probably needs to have the cartridge changed and a general overall. Can I send it to you to work on? Thank you.
@markmarkofkane8167
@markmarkofkane8167 5 лет назад
Yeah, people are afraid of lead while being poisoned by pesticides and herbicides. And made ill by contaminated food, e-coli and Listeria . But be afraid of lead.
@AiMR
@AiMR 5 лет назад
Wow, Magnavox jumped into transistors pretty early.
@OlegKostoglatov
@OlegKostoglatov 11 лет назад
Crappy electrolytic caps in particular, I hauled two flat screen monitors home and guess what failed, the Crapxon or other Chicom/Taiwan mystery brand caps? Both were from 2005-06 so I guess the expectation was that you would buy a new computer every 5 years so the monitor didn't need to live any longer then that. Now I hauled a Samsung plasma panel home free with an RCA radio I bought, apparently those are notorious fro crappy solder joints and bad caps, so I will see what I can do with it.
@wurlitzergroup
@wurlitzergroup 10 лет назад
just curious about your reference to a local parts house - all i have here is a radio Shack which is a lot better than nothing but they sure don't cater to vintage electronics!
@breadman86
@breadman86 8 лет назад
I have this exact model and am trying to repair it, but can't seem to find the schematic for the chassis itself, R20414 (same as yours). Did you happen to find that anywhere and if so would you mind passing it along?
@zulumax1
@zulumax1 6 лет назад
Same model I have and I have had no luck running down the schematic either. I recapped the electolytics less the big metal can. Deoxit D5 the controls including the elusive balance control. Still have noise, and crackling on the left channel. May be the multi-section can or a noisy transistor or resistor, but hard to run down without a schematic. I can check the can by taking it out of circuit and using my Heathkit IT-28. Help someone please, it is too beautiful to recycle.
@ducklandwikeno
@ducklandwikeno 11 лет назад
I had the same problem with my console from Magnavox . I own a model a little different from yours . Mine was made about 1967
@champamp
@champamp 11 лет назад
Mine has changer, preamp / radio chassis, then, on the bottom, a power amp chassis...yours combines those functions.
@billyrigney7410
@billyrigney7410 10 лет назад
Hey radiotvphononut I have the same exact record player that I purchased last year at a garage sale for 54 bucks a few houses down from me. I'm very happy with it now that I finally found a replacement needle and was able to fix the stereo problem with the record player (had the connectors in the tone arm on the wrong pins). I'm still however having a problem with the knobs making lots of static noise. Now I know nothing about taking apart stereos and fixing them, but can I just take the knobs off and spray the control cleaner in there? Or do i need to take off the chassey? I'm just afraid i might break something. I'd love to change the capacitors but i'm not sure i am qualified enough to do that. Thanks for the great videos!
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
I was just looking closer at the schematic and notice where the -15V enters the bottom of L3. Also notice that the bottom of L3 goes to ground; which, does not make any sense.
@radiotvphononut
@radiotvphononut 11 лет назад
I discovered that after looking closer at the schematic.
@justsumguy2u
@justsumguy2u 11 лет назад
Maybe the tin whiskers thing is overblown, but the unreliability of germanium transistors isn't....in my experience, around 50% of the equipment I've repaired had at least one bad germanium.
@chairuser4
@chairuser4 11 лет назад
great project,that thing will sound great,what does it need.
@OlegKostoglatov
@OlegKostoglatov 11 лет назад
If it costs more then about $20 to $30 in parts to fix it Mr Korean plasma is getting the aussie50 patented MOT treatment with a chicken stick, possibly followed by an EOL inspired by Mr Shango066 involving petroleum byproducts.
@timparsells8298
@timparsells8298 10 лет назад
hi good video! but the only question i have is after watching dozens of these repair vids is the part where you actually install the capacitor. how do you do that??? do you use a soldering gun or what? i am new to this area of restoration.please help and thanks for the video!
@ZoomZoom870atGmail
@ZoomZoom870atGmail 6 лет назад
I'm working on an identical unit right now. The loudness adjustment knob makes a scratching noise when you turn it but that's all I can get out of it. the record player itself works fine and so do all the speakers.
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
that is very similar to the receiver i bought recently
@countryboywis
@countryboywis 8 лет назад
Boy I wish a guy was close by to fix my magnavox. I'm pulling my hair out.
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
i could come and help you but i'm afraid i'm 2 years too late
@jordanp2445
@jordanp2445 6 лет назад
Larry Shaver where are you? Can I please pick your brain bro? I'm stuck on my 1965 Magnavox - I got lights but no sound - checked connections - don't see anything loose.
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
i couldn't tell you what the problem even could be
@damienmaloney8181
@damienmaloney8181 6 лет назад
I know this is late but I have the same issue. Lights and no sound.
@jordanp2445
@jordanp2445 6 лет назад
Damien Maloney I tried electrical contact spray - which most people claim will fix most issues - still have problems. Going to test each capacitor - will let you know if I find a bad one and which one it was.
@stephenex
@stephenex 10 лет назад
Do you have a schematic for a 1966 MAgnavox Astro Sonic Console stereo? I love your videos!!
@dtrain8335
@dtrain8335 6 лет назад
Awesome video! I'm currently recapping the exact same chassis. However I need help identifying a few capacitors. Specifically C601, C614, C606, C610 Any info would be greatly appreciated!
@OlegKostoglatov
@OlegKostoglatov 11 лет назад
I know that the stupid P.C lead free solder that the E.U mandated can cause tin whiskers, which is why it's banned in aerospace electronics, but it's more often that it results in cracked and other defects in solder joints. Yep, that will help the environment, make the electronics Co's use shit solder so more TVs and stereos end up in the dump. RoHS, yet another wonderful idea from Europe!
@markcovington8159
@markcovington8159 10 лет назад
Hey there. Other than home stereo systems do you also repair any car radios or car audio systems? If so, what ones have you fixed before?
@patrickhershey3134
@patrickhershey3134 6 лет назад
I'm bringing my dad's Astro-Sonic home this week. It's in good working condition, but I'd like it gone through. Can anyone recommend a technician in the Charleston area or within a day's travel? Thanks.
@coppellpianoshop3812
@coppellpianoshop3812 3 года назад
Mine doesn't have the bolts or screws holding the radio in. I can find no sensible way to remove the radio. I'm assuming it lifts out from the top but a more in-depth explanation on the video would have been appreciated. IP3623 Run 2 Mag Astrosonic
@camagueyano38
@camagueyano38 10 лет назад
I have the radio from one like that ,the furniture was crashed but the radio was fine ...
@kgsalvage6306
@kgsalvage6306 6 лет назад
Hello , I watch your videos quite often . I have a magnavox console from the mid 70s , that has a turntable in the lower part of the cabinet on drawer slides . I need to work on the turntable and can't figure out how it comes out . Any help would be appreciated . THANKS , KG
@nealwright5630
@nealwright5630 3 года назад
We just bought a 1P3822 Astro-Sonic. The right balance doesn't work. After looking into it, I found the Internal/External speaker switch was broken underneath and had been wired back together. The non-working side was the part that was bot working. I tried jumping the wires with no success. I'm at a loss as to what to do. Can a replacement part be found for it, or will I need to build my own (not my wheelhouse)? Thanks!!
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
What you're saying is they can drift downward too?
@bretcoats243
@bretcoats243 2 года назад
Howdy I have question. What ohm extension speakers can I run with my Astro-Sonic?
@angelaalvarez861
@angelaalvarez861 10 лет назад
Hi, I was just given a console, with record player and radio. Plays great for about 30 minutes, then makes a loud noise. Could it be that the tubes get too hot? Any suggestions on what I need to look for or where I can get parts? I live in Orlando, FL. I did remove the back, it had about an inch of dust, that I removed, played a little longer after that.
@dirtyharry621
@dirtyharry621 6 лет назад
I am in California and I have a Magnavox Micromatic record changer from a 1963 Astro Sonic that is producing distortion out of both channels. It probably needs to have the cartridge changed and a general overall. Can I send it to you to work on? Thank you.
@gailpeterson2613
@gailpeterson2613 4 года назад
Mine plays slow and I don’t know what the issue is and no one in my area does repair. Do you have any suggestions?
@Felipesmendes86
@Felipesmendes86 9 лет назад
Hi friend, great project... So, I have a Magavox Astro-Sonic console stereo. Model No. 1P3763 and I've already changed the needle but it still making a lot of noises in the speakers... there are two blue pieces like battery before the speakers, what is this?
@xaenon
@xaenon 8 лет назад
If I'm understanding you correctly, they are probably capacitors - a crude form of crossover to send higher frequencies to the tweeters and the lower frequencies to the woofers.
@leroyjenkins9874
@leroyjenkins9874 10 лет назад
i own a 68 magnavox console an it has a poor FM connection too. im fairly new to the radio/turntable repair community and i have the most issues finding capacitors an transistors, i am open to any suggestions of good websites to get hold of these parts
@justindallal5040
@justindallal5040 6 лет назад
Who is this guy and can I ship mine to get it worked on?
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 7 месяцев назад
Don't nte126's only have 3 leads?
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 лет назад
my stereo fm light doesn't come on and the bulb is good . could a capacitor be to blame?
@audubon5425
@audubon5425 11 лет назад
Those KLH speakers were supposed to be decent for what they were.
@johnkelly1168
@johnkelly1168 Год назад
I have same chassis where can I get schematic need to fix
@thematrixinquadaphonic1822
@thematrixinquadaphonic1822 10 лет назад
Would a Bad cap, cause the aAM Radio to not work? I did not see any on my Astrosonic in that area, mine is the 66' . Any Idea on how to access the under part of the turntable, every other Astro I have seen so far does not have the full back of counsol, mine does it is 100% original and in near mint cond.
@thematrixinquadaphonic1822
@thematrixinquadaphonic1822 10 лет назад
FM is strong very strong. am has Not one thing coming out of it. transistors or maybe the amp. is what it looks like the issue is.
@rlopes6566
@rlopes6566 10 лет назад
I have a perfect shape unit in MA. Anyone interested? Think its the same model.
@lakinlankford6974
@lakinlankford6974 9 лет назад
I'm having a major problem with my 1963 Astro-Sonic. I've gone through a complete replacement of all electrolytic caps and I am still getting a low hum on the machine when it is turned on. The volume does not effect the hum. Any suggestions on what could be causing this? I've read about changing the caps in the power supply on the unit. Is the power supply the black brick that sits on the side of the amp? I've changed every cap I know of on the chassis itself. Please help! Thanks.
@bones007able
@bones007able 8 лет назад
I had the same problem... is your set a solid state or tube? My solid state turned out to be a leaky output transistor , replaced and hum was gone.
@michaelmurrin2846
@michaelmurrin2846 8 лет назад
I have a Magnavox Astro-Sonic. can someone tell me why the left channel sounds weaker than the right?
@michaelmurrin2846
@michaelmurrin2846 8 лет назад
how do you clean the controls on these things?
@rb.867
@rb.867 7 лет назад
Im looking for a needle for my Magnavox IP3631 turn table, anyone know where I can get one? Theres not one in the arm so I have no reference numbers
@rheamarschall1662
@rheamarschall1662 6 лет назад
Where is the aux imput on this model?
@zulumax1
@zulumax1 6 лет назад
Unplug the unit from the wall, remove the back, follow the RCA signal cables from the phonograph to where they plug into the amplifier. The aux jacks are right below that. These were actually put there for the optional reel to reel and were not intended for the end user. The record output jacks are below the aux input jacks.
@GWAR1982
@GWAR1982 10 лет назад
I have a nice record / am/fm / tv if you can boil it you can have it
@gerryroberts662
@gerryroberts662 7 лет назад
MCM electronics i've been told cheaper... alt...
@terrykellum6654
@terrykellum6654 9 лет назад
I need someone that can repair an am/fm tuner. Please list a number or address. thanks
@judithrobidoux9322
@judithrobidoux9322 8 лет назад
.my unit plays records and radio the i cannot change stations. need a quick fix. can remove kn obs then what? spray wd40 or what?
@Eli_B3000
@Eli_B3000 8 лет назад
Use DeOxit or QD Electronics Cleaner from the Auto Parts store or Walmart. DeOxit is more expensive, but the QD cleaner has worked just as well for me.
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