330 watts isn't all that much. A typical burner on an electric stove is about 1,200-3,000 watts (depending on burner size and heat settings) and a typical electric oven is 2,000 to 5,000 watts (depending on heat setting).
It's still a pretty high power draw for a TV. The best thing to happen to TV's is getting transistorized. Which reminds me, a big thing that's gonna rack up costs is replacing tubes on this thing.
Thanks! - The color is fantastic! The temps don't surprise me for a tube set. David Sedaris said his family's tv ran "so hot you needed an oven mitt to change the channel".Their TV was from the era of this one too. My 1969 RCA CTC-40 solid state (not new-old-stock but very low hour and cared for) and it runs AMAZINGLY cool and NO RECAP. Thanks Shango066!
We had an early 70's 25" Zenith that I got originally for parts It had been in a flood. The cabinet was still full of mud, so I took it out and flushed it with a garden hose. After it dried out, on a lark I decided to try running it. It came on with a good picture. After I refinished the genuine wood cabinet, we used it for 15 years. I got pretty good at adjusting convergence. One time it lost horizontal drive and a section of the horizontal output tube envelope actually sucked in.
I really enjoyed running across this video. Your dry humor is just as good as the wise guys on Mystery Science Theatre. Allowing for the limitations of the phone camera, the TV has remarkable picture and sound quality. I'm also baffled by the placement of the volume knob behind a panel; that's only the control that's most often used, next to the channel selector? Back in my college days, I got a hand-me-down RCA color set from about 1961-62 or so, that a family member had refurbished. I can clearly remember the vibrant colors from its round CRT screen. I'm into old cars more than old electronics, but this was as much fun as finding that elusive "barn-find" Chevy with 1,000 miles on it.
It's all an unnecessary self inflicted issue. Maybe if that states government did weaken their electrical grid by replacing all the original power sources, with unperfected solar and wind energy. then maybe they would be having all those power outages.
This outta be interesting.. I usually only run my vintage tube sets during peak hours to keep my heart rate elevated when the bill comes. Like playing the clot shot lottery..
Going to enjoy watching this set’s progress.can’t fault your razor sharp whit,Shango.makes for great videos and a great channel.all the best from the Uk👍
You're one of the very few content creators that hold my full attention for hour plus chunks of time. About pointing: When the finger points at something I didn't see, it's welcome. Please don't change you filming techniques for anything. The dry wit, insight and sarcasm are extremely well received in my neck of the woods. One other uplifting point about your content i that it reminds me and my wife that when we completely cut the cable cord in 2011, we made a life-changing decision.
Honestly, this is one of the coolest ideas I've seen in this vein of vintage electronics vlog I've heard of. I'll figure out my entertainment budget and see what I can toss your way to keep the costs down.
Very cool, I restored a Packard Bell CQ-956 and installed a NOS 23vcmp22. I added a hours meter to answer the same questions,. It has the 98C19 chassis which is almost the same but has AFT. I will stay tuned, thanks for the great videos.
Always enjoy your candor and technical skills and expertise. Love the vintage electronics and the good old school discrete components that can be seen in action.
This is such a great idea, I greatly look forward to the series and how this set plays out and what issues come up for a NOS set after sitting so long. Sounds very interesting!
Thanks for all the adventures in restoring old TVs. Some I didn't think would work again but you did it! Please use to offset power cost for the NOS series.
Fender used those blue ajax type caps throughout the '60s in all their amps. They very rarely go bad and fetch a good buck today. Highly regarded in the guitar world . First time I've seen them in anything other than Fender amps.
Very nice tee-vee! The wood cabinet is so clean that you could eat off. But mannnn! Those crazy prices, $539.95 in 1968 is worth $4,596.96 bucks in 2022. You had to be wealthy to have one of those colored tee-vees back then.
Thanks for all you do Shango, heres a little bit of $ to contribute to the cause. I always look forward to your next upload, really enjoy your sense of humor:) Hello from Alaska!!
The cost of the electrical grid is but one reason I left Commiefornia last November. Our power meter was charging about 30% more than we actually used. I complained to So Cal Edison, and they said, no it is correct. When we were looking out of state for property, we left the house for over 2 billing cycles so I had a constant load that was easily calculated and the meter was plus 30% yet So Cal Edison said no it is correct. We had a $1600 bill for one month of service one hot summer. They over charged us for more than 15 years from the time they installed the "new electronic" meter. You need to get the heck out of that state.
Another great video. Thank you. On the power usage thing. They do that here in Australia. To the point most households sit in darkness to save power between 5 and 9pm. And in the hotter states and territories we use air conditioners carefully. You go to shopping centres or cinemas to cool off. It’s really expensive for power and water.
Just a friendly reminder that Inflation is a real thing 539.95$ in 1968. Would be equal to over 4620$ in todays money. Kinda makes that budget TCL/Roku TV even more attractive now.
As the news report showed it’s been in the triple digits lately. I’m sure the ambient outdoor temperature is having some effect on the operating temperature of the components. When the set is inside an air conditioned home and the weather mellows out perhaps the temperature of the components in the set will too. It would be interesting to see Shango take temp readings with the Flir once’s it’s inside it’s new home.
you have such a great videographer (no-spell prize material) knack. the shots of here here heere ..and that and this board or kitty. That's the best part youre Kubrick behind the camera.
45:00 Yes! It answers that question for me. I'm now absolutely convinced they worked great when they were new. So we need to do a great job fixing them up.
Back for a re-watch after the August '23 vids. 5:08 "ooh! Here's the original punch card" ooh, indeed. Those were such a part of our lives for a while back then, _'the document of the future!'_
About 15 cents per kWh here, all the time. A comparable Heathkit set with a 25XP22 tube was $469.95 in the 1967 catalog. I happened to glance at the parts list this morning. A replacement CRT was $189 back then. Seems like the $535 sale price on this PB really was a deal. Would love to find a good CRT for the old Heathkit.
This is museum quality, may be less than 100 hours as a floor demo since the original price tag that sold for MFRP $535.00 in 1968 that equivalent to over than $7,000.00 under our current gold standard at that time was about $40.00 troy oz.
Gold was 35/oz from 1932 to 1971, at least as far as money goes. Plus, after 1932, money was no longer redeemable in gold, only silver. Also, you really have to take inflation calculators or even gold conversion rates with a grain of salt. Gold was MASSIVELY under-priced before the Nixon default which came after 2 revaluations. The US went on a massive spending spree in the 40s and never rolled it back. 46 and 47 saw fairly large reductions in government spending, but it quickly reached ww2 level spending very quickly. We have been a war footing for 80 years. Plus, the 60s was particularly bad for this. The last time the national debt had a year over year decrease was in the very early 60s. But you had the war on poverty, Vietnam, the moon mission. Plus all the chaos of the 60s and all of it cost a fortune and the government paid with printed money. That's one of the reasons gold was so underpriced. The under-price is specifically why Nixon defaulted.
@@gordonwelcher9598 My family had a color TV for as long as I can remember and that maybe goes back to 73. Very similar to this one. (like a 25" console) and we were by no means rich.
What a nice time capsule set. I think this is a great idea, set it up with hour meter and let it play, like normal use, and see what the TBF (time between failure) is. This will be an interesting series I believe!
@Andrew_Koala,I Dream of Jeannie always frustrated the heck out me. Here Major Nelson had this incredibly sexy genie who was madly in love with him and constantly wanted to shower him in gifts,cars,riches,anything his heart desired and he would keep rejecting her! I agree with Dr Bellows,he needed his head examined
What a superb picture for a television set from the late 60's. I would imagine if you were one of the few to have owned one of these sets back in the day, you would be considered very lucky. I definitely wouldn't have a problem watching any present day programming on this set in 2022, although the picture from this set would totally be 100 times the quality than current day programming that I would be watching on it...lol 😆
Wow, wow, wow! Great project but the most amazing thing for me is the electricity price... I am still running a 650W 55" Plasma TV with 2 fans and I love it especially in the winter :) It's called "the fireplace". Here in Bulgaria we believe 12 cents per kilowatt hour are a really high price, and during the night it's even less...
Interesting find Shango066. In the mid 1970's when I worked as a Tech in TV shops, we used to call the Packard Bell "Pack of Hell". They were a slightly modified RCA design, with this particular one most resembling the RCA CTC-38. They were advertised to be higher quality than the RCA but, we didn't see much difference in the component quality or reliability. If you can find old service history records on this set, that would be more meaningful than running your own reliability test. Since the set has been sitting unused for 55 years, all sorts of mystery problems tend to show up over the next year when brought back to life. Even though the set has not been operated, the electrolytics still dry out but obviously, at a reduced rate since they are not being baked by all that tube heat. Yes, I know the ESR looks good but, that just tells you there is still some internal electrolyte left in the can. I think paper caps were finally phased out in TVs by about 1963, being replaced by plastic films. The plastic film caps do have a problem with the film absorbing water over time, especially with the low cost "wrap & fill" style. The better caps are epoxy dipped but, moisture will propagate through the epoxy after many years, since all plastics are hydroscopic (more or less depending upon the plastic used). That is a Really Good CRT, to have that kind of emission after all these years. I have seen unused ones go bad sitting in storage. That hot flyback is caused by a bad horizontal output tube. The Japanese tubes were very poor quality at that time. If run 24/7 in your life test, the flyback will probably die within a week's time. With all that tube heat the, the fuse will blow at a lower amperage. Normally, you fuse something at twice the typical operating current. Yes, those color tube sets typically pull 300 - 400 watts so, in addition to the load current, the air conditioning will need to run more to remove that heat from the room. In servicing TVs, I found that CRT life had a lot to do with the room it was placed in. If placed in a room with a lot of windows, often times the customer would want to keep all the curtains open during the day while watching the TV so, brightness was always at max. The second CRT killer customer type liked to simultaneously run maximum brightness, high contrast, and high color intensity.
We dont run the AC, its usually only hot a week out of the year here. We will see what fails, I will fix it thats the objective. Like those guys that find a car in a barn and try and drive it 2000 miles.
I did this in the 90s. I was working for Cable TV and one customer had a spare Bush TV from about 1979. After i set up his new TV he let me take the old one, Which worked. So I put it into service at home about 1996. When the tube began to weaken I shorted out the resistor on the tube base and again got a good picture, That was all I had to do to it in about 15 years.... The family objected because the screen did not show the score at the top om Sports Games! So I changed it in 2002 for an LG which also did not show this but nobody objected! Hmm..... And yes the set still works to this day! Maybe yours will be the same!
TBH if it’s a Bush from 1979 that’s still working, that must have been the one before the T20 and T22 chassis which came out that year and there would be *NO* chance that the LOPT (flyback) would last that long. My grandad was installing those brand new and the LOPTs regularly (bordering on routinely) failed while he was still setting it up in the customer’s home! The Rank/Bush/Murphy group had been circling the toilet for some years by then (the absolute apex being the A774 black-and-white chassis made from about 1972 to 75/76, 8 out of 10 would be faulty out of the box, LOPTs would catch fire, CRTs on average lasted no more than 6 months, just utter, utter shite!). Line OuPut Transformers had never been RBM’s strong point (though the one used in the A823 and Z718 solid state colour sets of 1970-1978 had *rock solid* reliability, we’re talking Thorn Jellypot levels of ultra reliability here!) as they often used LOPTs made by Plessey but the failure rate of the LOPTs in the T20 and T22 just put the top hat on it. When installing one, my grandad always had a spare TV of the same model (the T20 and T22 was shared between several RBM models) on the van ready to go but he would try and finish off the install and set off in his van before the LOPT failed! Toshiba’s takeover of Bush around 1980/81 sorted them out! No more using crappy Plessey LOPTs, they used what Toshiba supplied them and asked them to put together to build a set!)
11:00 - when TVs have been unused for that long, the cathode in the CRT goes back into a catatonic state and needs to be left to re-activate. It’s a repeat performance of the activation stage when the CRT itself was in the factory.
I used to live in Southern California. Where I live now electricity is a straight $.08 /Kwh. That TV would not cost that much to operate here. The TV and your planned testing is really cool.
Another non TV use for 6LQ6/6JE6 tubes was in McIntosh MC3500 amps-used 6 of them to give 350W RMS.Hi-Fi and sound reinforcement used those amps.Command a very high price today-they were made about when that TV was built.
First time I almost fell out of my chair watching a Shango video. 90 cents kwh?!? California has gone completely lunatic fringe. I thought our electricity was pricey, along with everything else in the land of population extortion and misery, Illinois. But at a combined power supply and distribution charge of 15 cents (Summer, August 2022) I cannot complain. At least about that. Apparently windmills and solar panels are not cost effective, even in sunny Cali. Then with all the electric cars they are mandating, competition for electricity will make it even worse. Old people cannot afford to keep their air conditioning running and will cook to death in the heat.
Newsom is mandating for California to be electric-only car sales in ten years, and a few days ago tells Californians not to charge their cars because their isn't enough electricity in the state! You cannot make this stuff up!
00:43:20 You have a different Jeep commercial out there. Here in Utah is depicted a random charging station in the desert on a sand dune, and drivers waving right of way to fellow Jeepists like there on a parade float. (there are areas of the state where simply buying gas would be a 100+ mile drive, without leaving the interstate highway)
I had a 1980 RCA color trak monitor 25" crt on from 7 am to midnight for 25 years and it was still playing fine when I put it on the curb (thankfully someone picked it up before garbage men)
Maybe the leads on the cathode current meter are affecting the circuit or making a bad connection. Try measuring the voltage across a 1 ohm resistor in the fuse holder instead. You can solder it to a blown fuse.
My dad had a TV shop back in the 60's ~ 70's, he hated RCAs as they had capacitors that would go out of spec very quickly and start eating tubes. Their reputation started getting pretty bad which is why you see them dumping these off on third party sellers. (Sears sold tons of them)
