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1975 Voltage Standard Restoration & "Improvement"? 😬 Fluke 731B 

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00:00 Intro
01:27 Teardown
02:34 Reference PCB
03:49 Circuit analysis
08:27 Improvement?
11:29 Battery stuff
12:51 Joulescope
14:54 Front assembly
17:07 Modded reference
18:51 First results
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@reps
@reps 11 месяцев назад
@-MrDontCare-
@-MrDontCare- 11 месяцев назад
😂
@cvspvr
@cvspvr 10 месяцев назад
pp
@-MrDontCare-
@-MrDontCare- 11 месяцев назад
Hahaha, the Stargate dialing sound made me spit out my coffee true the nose😂
@applecorc
@applecorc 11 месяцев назад
I wask like, "Why is he calling it a stargate meter? I don't remember it in the show." That gave me a good laugh.
@DasIllu
@DasIllu 11 месяцев назад
I do remember having a discussion in the 90's with someone who built a lot of battery powered stuff. He mentioned that for certain types of batteries a half wave rectified 50hz transformer output is actually ideal to charge them. He also drew up a rough schematic on how to measure the charge in between the pulses to cut off the charging once it's finished. I think it was about the NiCd batteries but i can be wrong. I didn't care too much at the time because that battery technology was already fading in popularity.
@carstenk2552
@carstenk2552 11 месяцев назад
While I studied, i had some courses in electrochemistry. Its about dentrites growth. Sharp points on the surface have a higher electric field and therefor more material gets deposited on these points. Over some charging cycles these dendrites grow more and more, until they puncture the seperator or even touch the other electrode, shortening the battery. If you vary the charging voltage, dendrites growth can be minimised. Some experiments even used shifted fullwaves to charge the batteries, so in parts of the cycle, the battery gets discharged again, but it lengthens the lifetime of the battery
@randynovick7972
@randynovick7972 11 месяцев назад
My heart gets a little fluttery every time I see vintage Amphenol componentry. Thank you for the thrill. Love this return to form. Was really looking forward to it, leaving fulfilled.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 11 месяцев назад
Some dudes hotrod cars, some dudes hotrod computers, this dude hotrods voltage references.
@ivolol
@ivolol 9 месяцев назад
I quite liked it when Mr Reps went all nerdy over the electrodynamical effects that construct the voltage reference tempcos
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 11 месяцев назад
That black 3458A is a thing of beauty, so nice alongside the original…….and quite a PPM stack building above them.
@fredio54
@fredio54 10 месяцев назад
That lock out toggle switch on the front? I own a bunch of EXACTLY those. I salvaged a bunch of particle accelerator equipment from a facility that was closing down. Beautiful rack mount gear and old point to point wire wrapped boards. The quality was and is exquisite. The one on that device looks rough and neglected and abused. Mine are mint.
@fredio54
@fredio54 10 месяцев назад
Ha ha ha, you hate the switch. I know why, and yours is rough, but for anything else they're gorgeous.
@perz1val
@perz1val 11 месяцев назад
Would be interesting to see how (if you hypothetically made one) a replica from modern parts would compare in terms of accuracy
@Alamagosa
@Alamagosa 10 месяцев назад
The LT1008 is an externally compensated greatly improved direct replacement for the 308 operational amplifier. The other parts in that series, the LT1012 and LT1097, have internal compensation but also an external overcompensation pin so could also be used with a minor change.
@samuelschwager
@samuelschwager 11 месяцев назад
that shirt brings all the girls to the yard
@al_lazy3519
@al_lazy3519 11 месяцев назад
My opinion on that half wave rectified supply is that it keeps crystals from forming in the ni cells, or rather the pulsed current breaks them if they form. I've done some heavy treatment on old nimh batteries with unrectified ac from a low voltage transformer and it did bring them back to life, even tho my preferred method is short bursts of 15v dc.
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 11 месяцев назад
Awesome looking device indeed, Marco! Fantastic work! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@emilalmberg1096
@emilalmberg1096 11 месяцев назад
Regarding the charging of the batteries, there was talk around 79-80 about pulse charging of nickel-cadmium batteries, mainly among RC car people, they want to get as much as possible out of the cells. Yes, the batteries don't care, they charge fine without a smoothing capacitor. -I hope you put the old components inside the device, so future electronics guys can see them, I do that when I renovate tube radios...
@sarahjrandomnumbers
@sarahjrandomnumbers 11 месяцев назад
Can confirm, I also heard of pulse charging ni-cad's, but to stop tin whiskers and to stop the dreaded "memory effect". There's always some bullshit going with batteries, like compressing the crap out of lifepo4 cells. Sure, it can have benefits in certain applications, but like with pulse charging, if you aren't using it in that very specific application, it's pointless. But everyone will do it cause they saw someone else doing it, and then it becomes REQUIRED. 🙄
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 11 месяцев назад
​@@sarahjrandomnumberstbf the lifepo4 manufacturers do (sometimes) specify compression as required or recommended. Though from memory it's a great deal less than what some are advocating
@sarahjrandomnumbers
@sarahjrandomnumbers 11 месяцев назад
@@zyeborm When you do the math, for ESS usage, compression is pretty much pointless. 280ah full cycle every day is many years, then take into account you're not doing a full cycle a day, and that you're not hammering them at 1c, and shelf/storage life is more of an issue than compressing. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OsvPYw6hoHc.html Again, compression is something that people saw in the datasheet, then the diy crowd went insane with it, just like pulse charging nicads. Compression can help in CERTAIN situations, but for the diy crowd, the cells will degrade naturally long before cycle life is an issue.
@lmamakos
@lmamakos 6 месяцев назад
@@sarahjrandomnumbers Back in the day when I was hanging out in the college ham radio club, we used to "resurrect" old Motorola HT-220 batteries we got for cheap at the hamfest by "pulse charging" them with 15 or 20 amps with very short duration pulses. The theory was that we could zap away the whiskers that were internally shorting cells in the battery pack, without actually exploding the pack in the process. We did manage to avoid the exploding part, though unclear how successful that strategy was. But we were poor college students and that was cheap fun, flirting with danger.
@ramachandran8666
@ramachandran8666 10 месяцев назад
Just a relaxing pleasure to watch, listen and LEARN. You have the gift of a unique yet pleasing and often funny in a very entertaining way on such "hard to crack" subjects such as circuit theory, design, and most importantly the FORENSIC analysis of the pesky invisible yet mysterious Electrons doing their magic all around starting with our BRAINS
@nrcha
@nrcha 11 месяцев назад
I came here to see U2, but I still haven’t found what I am looking for.
@einnicernutzer
@einnicernutzer 11 месяцев назад
I always get excited when u upload a nee vid, great work 👍🏻
@DanielHeineck
@DanielHeineck 11 месяцев назад
That kind of circuit analysis is my monologue pretty much every day at work :D
@NNNILabs
@NNNILabs 11 месяцев назад
falstad simulation running smoothly with real opamp model 🥶
@benedienst
@benedienst 11 месяцев назад
What an overkill of precision replacement parts for a unit which was already not only more than a short term stable transfer standard when it was still in production. I still have one sitting above my desk working as such. I like it‘s construction and the fact that you can trim it to match your reference group voltage calculated from it‘s history chart and do artifact calibrations on several calibrators in a row not having to enter a awkwardly odd number into their front panels.
@gataness
@gataness 11 месяцев назад
Great video
@brothertheo2677
@brothertheo2677 10 месяцев назад
I think you might have condemned the multiturn trimpot. It is being used in ratiometric mode. Pot values have a high tempco, but their ratios drift a lot less. Also if you look at the total divider, the pot has a tiny influence on the voltage.
@KallePihlajasaari
@KallePihlajasaari 10 месяцев назад
I think the contact resistance of the wiper may be what is triggering him. I would also normally not care but due to the nature of this instrument I am ok with the replacement and choice of part.
@TeslaTales59
@TeslaTales59 11 месяцев назад
Very cool instrument!
@billcodey1430
@billcodey1430 11 месяцев назад
U2 was a great band.
@Nikolasz1173
@Nikolasz1173 11 месяцев назад
Based Stargate reference
@tinygriffy
@tinygriffy 11 месяцев назад
Neat little handhold DHD ... all Chephren were engaged and locked .. you should see that beautiful wormhole to Delta Resistonis :P
@alexcrouse
@alexcrouse 10 месяцев назад
Good god that MXO44 scope. I need to hit the lottery.
@discobecky9179
@discobecky9179 11 месяцев назад
babe wake up new marco
@galaxy5am987
@galaxy5am987 10 месяцев назад
We want more of your cnc videos please. 😊
@douro20
@douro20 11 месяцев назад
I've seen that "Dickson Electronics" logo before but always thought it was an old one for Diodes Inc, which was around back then as well.
@ChuckNorris-lf6vo
@ChuckNorris-lf6vo 10 месяцев назад
Best content on The Internet.
@pranjal3727
@pranjal3727 11 месяцев назад
Yayyyyyyyy new video
@JohnScherer
@JohnScherer 11 месяцев назад
So cool!
@shreeshbajpai3794
@shreeshbajpai3794 11 месяцев назад
I love these cuz I understand nothing yet feel smart asf
@talkingdot
@talkingdot 10 месяцев назад
ahhh NiCad batteries we try and get away from them but I don't think we ever will at this point and that is okay
@gsuberland
@gsuberland 11 месяцев назад
as soon as I saw that multimeter I heard "CHEVRON SEVEN LOCKED"
@MiggyManMike
@MiggyManMike 11 месяцев назад
Id be curious to see how much, if any benefit could would get my replicating the board with one made using a modern pcb fab process ?
@TheCommuted
@TheCommuted 11 месяцев назад
Use vinegar or hydrochloric acid because it evaporates without needing cleaning.
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 11 месяцев назад
If there's a base on there you will leave a salt residue. Vinegar by itself can leave solid acetic acid behind. I would normally suggest using a carbonate if there's an acid or a base to neutralize then follow up with several rinses to get rid of the salt that gets left over. Advantage of the carbonate is you don't care if it's acid or base and you can dump an excess of it on there and it won't cause additional acid/base damage.
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 10 месяцев назад
Dang. All I find at flea markets are counterfeit Gucci clothing and Chinese video game systems preloaded with pirated NES and SNES games.
@cobalt_plated_eyeball
@cobalt_plated_eyeball 9 месяцев назад
What self tap screws are you using on the ADRmu references?
@whatbee
@whatbee 11 месяцев назад
what is the name of the readout component at 16:48?
@YoutubeSupportServices
@YoutubeSupportServices 11 месяцев назад
Wow! All that just to swing your JBC in everyone's face?... 😅
@DiaconescuAlexandru2024
@DiaconescuAlexandru2024 11 месяцев назад
13:09 KDE user 🤝
@cheater00
@cheater00 9 месяцев назад
Is that lead free solder?
@franzliszt3195
@franzliszt3195 11 месяцев назад
Carbon resistors go bad with age?
@reps
@reps 11 месяцев назад
allan bradley style carbon composition types yes, absolutely
@powerwall
@powerwall 6 месяцев назад
Do you review 5.12Kwh, and 11.8Kwh battery?
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 11 месяцев назад
LOL @17:05
@Scrogan
@Scrogan 11 месяцев назад
Nice thumbnail
@tmmtmm
@tmmtmm 11 месяцев назад
Ah yes, my quarterly dose of stay-bility has arrived
@LoomisRex
@LoomisRex 11 месяцев назад
why is this obsession for voltage standards and ppm's, what do you use them for ?
@jan.tichavsky
@jan.tichavsky 10 месяцев назад
To have firmer grip on reality, of course.
@cvspvr
@cvspvr 10 месяцев назад
ppms is a highly addictive drug that has destroyed the lives of many brilliant electronics engineers
@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner 10 месяцев назад
He uses them to test the voltmeters he needs to check his voltage standards, obviously.
@mikemiller4838
@mikemiller4838 6 месяцев назад
Kind of Like when Rick showed Morty what true level felt like. And he was never the same again.
@fredio54
@fredio54 10 месяцев назад
CuTe
@hinz1
@hinz1 11 месяцев назад
Mod till it breaks?
@mallewax
@mallewax 11 месяцев назад
where can I buy this silly shirt? :O
@larry785
@larry785 11 месяцев назад
I wonder if "The Trust" has anything to do with that Russian-made multimeter?
@vergildvb7702
@vergildvb7702 10 месяцев назад
The pcb just has no metallized vias
@tuff_lover
@tuff_lover 11 месяцев назад
It was really hard to watch past 10:50, but hey, you probably know enough about this.
@pcrengnr1
@pcrengnr1 10 месяцев назад
Marco, thx for sharing. So, the end game was to improve the tempco not the accuracy. Like one of the other commenters said the pot is used in ratiometric mode so you could and should return that to the crkt. Then you'd have the accuracy again. Also that old Fluke voltage std seemed to have been quite exceptional. Fluke does seem to know what they were doing even back then. So, today their products must be untouchable even by aliens. Again, thx for sharing.
@KallePihlajasaari
@KallePihlajasaari 10 месяцев назад
The pot and much of the other changes were for long term stability in the end, that is what his long term logging research is all about. At these accuracy levels everything as about stability. The exact value does not matter as you transfer the standards from one instrument to another and have to allow for some error so a bit more makes no difference.
@MeriaDuck
@MeriaDuck 11 месяцев назад
11:10 oh you youngster... 1975 is a special year to me as it was the year I came into existence 😂
@MeriaDuck
@MeriaDuck 11 месяцев назад
16:52 😍 never seen one of those! Cool potentiometer.
@neilbryan6507
@neilbryan6507 8 месяцев назад
No Reps, I was just starting to enjoy the beautiful detail and then you told yourself to stop. This was suboptimal, please continue at the correct level of information exchange. Thank you.
@devjock
@devjock 10 месяцев назад
Chevron 3 encoded
@mikemines2931
@mikemines2931 11 месяцев назад
Bee utif hull.
@Dieseleux
@Dieseleux 11 месяцев назад
Nice video! NIMH battery dont last long with trickel current, NICD are far more tolerant in this mode. check the capacity of your battery periodictly. Lead acid, NICD and in some case, LIPOFO4 permit permant stanby current.
@tissuepaper9962
@tissuepaper9962 11 месяцев назад
LiFePO4*, "lithium-iron phosphate"
@robinc.5077
@robinc.5077 11 месяцев назад
NiMH can be trickle charged at C/50 (0.02C) indefinitely
@colettekerr279
@colettekerr279 11 месяцев назад
It me, the Cu Te one
@mohinderkaur6671
@mohinderkaur6671 11 месяцев назад
Now that the R&D and testing is done and you have the data, please restore this back to original along with the metal can opamp and the fluke wirewound resistors and the trimpot. Much better to keep it original.
@hongotopiadada7574
@hongotopiadada7574 11 месяцев назад
there is no "to much information"
@k9elli
@k9elli 10 месяцев назад
rep rep
@Scorry
@Scorry 10 месяцев назад
ТТ-3 has nothing in common with radiation or nuking. Bakelite bodies were usual for devices at this time range. Moreover, I guess that this design was stolen from some another western-made device. And ТТ-3 is not supposed to measure vertically, but only horizontally. See symbols on the scale.
@michal_stefik
@michal_stefik 11 месяцев назад
Today first! 😁
@-MrDontCare-
@-MrDontCare- 11 месяцев назад
Second 😅
@TitanOne1337
@TitanOne1337 11 месяцев назад
What's up with Marco's voice? Too many recitings of dark incantations to get the blessings of the ppm gods? Sounds a bit strange to me in the first couple of seconds to me
@reps
@reps 11 месяцев назад
What's the difference you are hearing? I had a pretty loud device right next to while voiceovering this one and used some adaptive noise filter ... thought it was practically unnoticeable?
@TitanOne1337
@TitanOne1337 11 месяцев назад
Might just be the tinnitus from a friend exploding a few (read as: literally 100) tantalum caps not far from my ear by accident messing with me, but it sounded a bit groggy to me, lol
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 11 месяцев назад
​@@repsit sounded fine on my phone speaker but really messed up on my headphones. Can't really give you any more info than that sorry lol
@cvspvr
@cvspvr 10 месяцев назад
he has just received a firmware update that improves his ability to imitate humans
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