Flo was the Fastest! But Evelyn is the G.O.A.T.! Felix & Shelly 2nd G.O.A.T.S. not far behind Evelyn! Know there was no proof of flo dopping but Crazy how much faster Flo was than Evelyn all of a sudden that year when she couldn't beat Evelyn all the years before.
Whats a shame is people dont comprehend how rare a talent Flo Jo was. Theres never been a runner with a second gear like hers its like shes running on air. She looks like a normal runner the first 40-50m, then her turnover and longer strides looks like she's flying from that point, its the most beautiful and graceful thing you'll ever see.
Folks comprehend she was indeed a talented sprinter, but many folks also got that gut feeling that her stunning performances was artificially aided. This is probably why not as much cheer has been raised in her name as expected. Flo Jos extraordinary transformation from a talented random sprinter to a bionic superwoman has to be seen over the 1986-87 seasons to understand why. Her improvement was absolutely astonishing, even her training partners suspected something was up and said that on record. Her 1988 Olympic 100m gold medal sprint record of 10.54s in the vid above is still almost 2/10s faster than the Paris 2024 Olympic women’s 100m winning time of 10.72s by champion Julien Alfred of St. Lucia. Also, Julien beat everybody by a significant margin in that Olympic 100m final. Then just imagine how clear ahead of Julien Alfred that Flo Jo would have been had she raced… Both 100m finals ran in legal wind speed conditions, 36 years apart and still Flos sprint record remains just as untouchable as her 10.49s world record. IMO Something is clearly amiss.
@@ValleyoftheRogue Of course they didn’t find PEDs in her system. That doesn’t mean to say she was clean while preparing for the Olympics. In 1988 there were significant gaps and limitations in testing athletes compared to today’s stringent drug testing regimen. Many athletes and their teams of specialists knew how to easily exploit the weaknesses and loopholes in the system to bypass traps. They were several steps ahead of the authorities. It was interesting that Flo Jo retired in 1989 whilst still in her 20s just a year after her Olympic triumph and after the Ben Johnson scandal just as considerable changes were being made in drug testing. Most sprinters peak in their early 30s, not Flo Jo. She didn’t even dare return to defend her titles at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992. Why do you think that is?
@@Pulsonar Whats funny about those emasculated people is none of them had any problems with the Russians kicking Americas arrogant arse and lets no insult Iintelligence and pretend they were even close to being clean. Even more so is no one EVER had an issue with a man breaking world records no matter how long those records stood. Usain Bolt IS the fastest human, yet did you ever did hear a whisper of him not being natural, hmm.
She's not the greatest. Her time says she's the fastest. They're not interchangeable. Running fast one year, then disappearing the next, doesn't make you the greatest. Running fast over a period of time does. Bolt is not the GOAT because of what he did in Berlin in 2009. He is the GOAT because of what he did for almost a decade.
@seanwilson5516 A valid point if it wasn't for the fact she stopped because of the impending random drug testing. The words Joyner and greatest should never be in the same sentence, ever, the words cheat, fake, evade, duck and fraudster should be.
Precisely, And that is what her detractors failed (and still fail) to recognize--that and pure abililty and it probably didn't hurt that Al Joyner, himself an Olympic Gold medalist, was her coach.
Big love to Evelyn Ashford for her class and grace and fluid running style. As for Flo Jo- that's my girl...loved her beauty, in your face courage and speed...that baby gal could run like the wind...RIP
Flo Jo, the best female athlete of all ⌚ Like a bolt of lightening out of the blocks, perfect movement - arms, rythm, stride. God's gift to athletics. Beautiful gorgeous woman ❤️🌹
Please dont mix Usain with this drug up mule. That whole olympic team was drugged up that year and as usual tbe govt paid off the body. Plus Bolt has longevity. Flojo was a one stop
Wow...after almost 30 years her record still stands and when asked if she can beat 10.49, she says "I do feel I can go faster than 10.49" with confidence. Now that's a winning attitude!
It's not that simple to claim FloJo used drugsCheck. Read Wikipedia. But she definitely did not die from it: "The unexpected death was investigated by the Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's office, which announced on September 22 that the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.[52] She was also found to have had a cavernous hemangioma, a congenital vascular brain abnormality that made Joyner subject to seizures.[53] According to a family attorney, she had suffered a tonic-clonic seizure in 1990, and had also been treated for seizures in 1993 and 1994."
"She had a good start but she doesn't need a great start because she accelerates through the whole race" those words explains evrything about her races and how she was different from other women sprinters of her era and from the current generation's sprinters.
Amazing run and iconic event. But Im sorry there is no way on earth she was not on PED at this point. But in her defense most athletes at that time were doing it. She was just able to do it better than them.
A charade. Doped athlete. Her early retirment to avoid anti doping checks and early death with inflamed heart from doping indicative of it. But her record stands which is a disgrace
@@humanstation8193 The greatest female sprinter of all time. No one comes anywhere near her times. No evidence of her taking PEDs has ever been found. Not a trace. Even though this was the Olympics where Ben Johnson was unveiled as a drug cheat and future fraud Linford Christie got away with drug taking by 11 votes to 10 after claiming a banned substance found in his blood sample was present in the ginseng he'd been taking. It's disgusting that you and other pipsqueak losers in life are allowed to make false and baseless statements, but I suppose it gives you failures something to do.
@@markcynic808 SHELLY ANN FRASER PRICE is the GOAT. Flo-Jo was never tested in Seoul. Got away with blue murder while they threw Ben Johnson under the bus. Your beloved Carl Lewis also suspect. 80's American sprinting bar Ashford was a joke.
@@humanstation8193 On the contrary, she was singled out for testing at Seoul. Nothing was found, not then, not at any time throughout her career. Like so many of your kind, nothing you state has one shred of evidence to back it up. It's pure, baseless fabrication, so please, do shut up.
@@markcynic808 you seriously believe that? With Korea becoming a democracy with US assistance and only condition for holding an Olympics...? You think the Korean would've have squealed on the Yanks? Come on! S.Korea knows how to hide information if they have to. And Uncle Sam rules over there. Flo Jo a very fast fraud. Like the East Germans back then. Product of the times.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 Her team and herself complied with ALL rules and regulations that governed the sport in that time period...PERIOD! Don't try to diminish this elite black woman's legacy with speculation, as if it was unbelievable that she was GREAT! End of discussion.
@@tiyondavalentine1268 This is NOT the end of the discussion. And don't even THINK of starting that woke crap by bringing race or gender into it. Her times increased dramatically before the Olympics and she suddenly set records that no one has come close to after thirty-three years. Then she SUDDENLY quits before the introduction of random mandatory drug tests... That says it all. *End of discussion.*
FLo Jo to me was the truth. Very unfortunate of her untimely passing however I can honestly say she gave excellent interviews very poise while doing so just like when she competes. I will never forget her when people talks about female sprinters in track n field. She's world renowned and I don't think any female will break her record during my lifetime on this planet
She was a product of the era in every possible way. Skin whitened, doped to the ears, media team to cover tracks, political friends in a Reagan era that needed someone "acceptable to win for Uncle Sam" . And she did. But it doesn't me it's clean, clear or truthful.
You have your head up your ass about her. She was doping like everybody else. "Beating" the testing doesn't equate with cleanly competing. NBC made sure all the positive drug test results never saw the light of day.
Today is the 25th anniversary of FloJo's death. She is the only woman to hold 2 athletics world records for more than 35 years. There are people in our world who can do admirable things without any doping. Credit to FloJo. REST IN PEACE❤❤❤❤😢
@Sal Valestra It was clearly the truth, she had all the symptoms of drug use ... including sudden increase from mediocre times, and then retires as random drug testing was introduced and HGH allegations came about. Just look at Flo jo , her musculature, her voice deepened and she got hairier.
I watched Flojo Gail, devvers , Jeter and the girl from Atlanta can't think of her name But none was as good and good for so many years as Evelyn Ashford she's the real goat.
Evelyn Ashford 10.76 real WR of the era and now Shelly Ann Fraser Pryce is the current (unofficial) clean WR 10.50. GOAT is Shelly Ann with so many Olympic golds.
She was tested like everyone and past all test. She changed her running pattern lift weights with husband and worked hard in training and it all then out in world records. People that are saying she is a cheat are just haters being in rhier emotions instead of facts. People die suddenly with what happened to her,I know someone in my family almost die just like her. They survived because someone was awake when she almost left here.
She past the tests because testing wasn't that developed in 1988. When stricter testing was introduced in 1989 she immediately retired. Every sports improve and it is not possible she holds world records even after 35 years alone because of her talent. You have to be extremely naive like a 5-year old to believe this😂 She was one of the biggest cheaters in the history of sports and she paid the price when she died at the age of 38. Steroids make heart a lot bigger so her seizure was a direct consequences of her doping use.
The Jamaicans and Flo Jo's American opponents want to erase her official world records. I understand the reason for this: It is hard for them to bear that there was such an excellent athlete who achieved such fantastic results without doping. The envy, jealousy, anger that they may feel because of this becomes palpable to those who can sense it. It's easier for people to make accusations, find excuses, smear someone (Flo Jo) if their goal is not to acknowledge the wonderful achievements of a certain person. Such is human nature...
Putting things in perspective: 1. Florence Griffith Joyner - 10.54 2. Evelyne Ashford- 10 83 3. Heike Dreschler - 10.85 Evelyne and Heike ran times that elite sprinters TODAY would be absolutely proud of but were pulverised by Flo-Jo! I am glad to have lived in this time and witnessed the greatest female sprinter who ever lived!
2 times in the same olympics the Soviet sprinter Pomoshchnikova pulls up. She did it in the 4x100m relay as well, almost costing the soviets a medal. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@jondishmonmusicandstuff2753 Can't worry about idiots, it was proven by 2 different autopsy's and she was drug tested by officials from other countries beside the U.S and nothing was found. So let the haters hate our girl still holds the records and there still mad. hahaha
Hahaha. Love the people that say she was doping. The world said the same thing about Rafael Nadal when he was off the tour for a bit at the beginning of his career. Nadal could not seem to beat Federer consistently and then when he came back from his little spell away from tennis his arms were bigger and his serve was bigger as well. He then started beating Federer more often. Well, all of a sudden all of the Federer lovers said, "Nadal is on the juice. His serve was never that powerful before." Time went on and what did Nadal do? He won the French Open 14 times, the US Open 4 times, Wimbledon twice and the Australian Open twice. Was he doping all the time...with random drug tests and just never tested positive...ever? Maybe he just started training in a different way and harder because he realized just what he had to do to beat Federer and Djokovic. Maybe certain athletes are just that much smarter and dedicated and determined to succeed. Pele, Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, etc, etc.... RIP, FloJo.
Is time going to tell? Maybe one day they will test the samples retrospectively of all of the world record holders in women's power based events. The 100, 200, 400, 800, discus, shot put, long jump and heptathlon world records are all from pre 1989 when random drug testing was brought in. The high jump world record from 1987 fell last month after nearly 40 years. With every passing year, these records are going to start to look more and more ridiculous, because they utterly defy logic. Only one men's record from the 1980s survives and that is in the hammer. One of the few events that does not benefit from the vast improvements that have been made in all aspects of athletics in the last 40 years. An Olympic tester was interviewed a few years ago and he said that they had retrospectively started to test samples from 1984. The initial findings convinced them that it would be foolish to continue: presumably, they were opening Pandora's box and what they found was damning of the whole sport rather than simply individual cheats. It seems likely that they have the ability to test the results of Flo Jo, Koch et al if they so choose. If they haven't done it in 40 years it seems unlikely that they ever will but maybe you are right. At some point, unless these records are broken, they must be widely accepted as performance enhanced because they so clearly are. To suggest otherwise is preposterous. If they all stand in another 20 years, maybe public perception of this will have shifted fundamentally. I can't imagine that anyone who was born after the fact believe those records are genuine.
For those of you say there's no evidence of doping, her best time before 1988 was 10.96. A lot slower. It would now be the 509th fastest time ever. Lorna Boothe, who was a training partner in the first half of 1988 says she was astonished by her rapid improvement.
@@ronniejohnson196 not just Elaine, so many have had vast improvements lately, I wonder as well. Shericka Jackson's 10.77. The 19 year old erriyon knight. Again, so many. Flo was just ahead of her time
@@tazaman2009 And that goes for the Russian female records set in the 80’s. They still hold many of them. Just because she’s a yank she seems to be innocent!!
These women's sprint world records still standing today from the 1980s, Marita Koch 400m and Flo Jo 100m, 200m show how difficult it is to become the very best of all time. Who would have thought back then these records would still stand 39 yrs and 36 yrs later.
Flo jo is the best!!! Her mechanics are unmatched. What’s so hard to believe that people can work on their craft especially after passing drug tests? Like cmon already!!🗣🗣🗣
I love 💘 seoul Olympic games, it was my youth time and I remember all events, even only a bronze medal 🥉 win in athletics by Asian people, by Li Meisu of China.
Blimey, look at the physical difference between Ashford,and Dreschler, Joyner and the 2 Russians. Ashfords the only one who doesnt have shoulders that would rival the male decathletes, I think we know who was the clean athlete out of those 5 :)
Don’t attempt to diminish Flo Jo’s accomplishments. She never tested positive for anything! We don’t need beliefs. Facts only. Serena Williams have big shoulders and she doesn’t take anything. Cut the crap!
In this interview from 1988, after the Olympic 100m final, FloJo clearly say that she will continue. No word about retire. Still, she quit shortly afterwards. Something happened that changed her mind. Was it because mandatory random drug testing was introduced in 1989?
Florence had an interview following her retirement explaining she didn't have the same time she would usually have to train following the success of 1988 (photoshoots, interviews, international activities, etc). She explained she wanted to give her all her full attention to training for it to work but never got it because of all the bookings, travel etc. Plus, she said she wanted to have children, which she had in 1990. Plus, when you factor the seizures, her attempt to come back for 1996, her desire to do other events, it just seemed like she had plans in store before her health condition became a serious problem. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IZzJyO5jiJ0.htmlsi=F9TcTjK8TqEm9J9O This is the interview BTW. I genuinely don't believe she took drugs or steroids given her history in the sport before 1988. 1984 Olympic Silver Medalist, 1987 World medalist, she also was eligible for the 1980 olympics but was unable to compete because of the US Boycott. It's interesting how some people never assume she was on drugs in 1984 when she was an Olympic medalist that year, but only in 1988, based on her physique and the misogynistic remarks regarding her vocal tone (which was always present before 1988).
@@TheWayWithKhuwayne From an article in the newspaper The Guardian ( Wed 28 Jul 2004 ): "Flo-Jo had transformed her body in her mid-20s, and was later accused of using HGH. Her post-mortem showed signs of excessive growth of organs, including her heart, which contributed to her death and may have been a direct result of drug use."
@@toresvenson6449 Firstly, an article released years after Flo Jo passed? That seems very one sided. She quit amateur athletics in the mid 1980s because of financial problems, if you read up her story she worked at a bank and hair salon during the time. Her focus wasn't on athletics until 1987 when she returned and won a World Silver medal. All that is stated from yourself is pure speculation and assumption that she took drugs or steriods. She died of an epileptic seizure and was retired in athletics for 10 years. Unless you or anyone else has evidence she took PEDs or Steriods, then it would be better to not to do this.
@@TheWayWithKhuwayne It does not matter when an article is released if the content is based on facts. The post-mortem showed more than the cause of death. There is an explanation for the growth of FloJo's organs. From another article on the news site Salon ( PUBLISHED DECEMBER 4, 1998 ) : 'Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale, author of numerous books on anabolic steroids and athletic performance, said certain changes in Joyner's heart could indicate the use of steroids or other banned substances. The autopsy report showed that Joyner suffered from "mild cardiac hypertrophy" and "occasional interstitial fibrosis" of the heart muscle, which "could be from the use of one or more of testosterone, anabolic steroids" or growth hormones, Di Pasquale told Salon.'
We don't have to. You have every right to remain in denial. Had it not been for her husband, Marion Jones would have gotten away with PEDs and maybe even have broken Flo-Jo's records.
You are actually arguing against yourself logically. If people who took steroids were slower than her, how could that possibly be evidence that she did not take them? It isn't. Flo Jo broke the world record of Koch in the 200 metres, who people suspect of taking steroids. Other than Flo Jo, not one athlete with no documented issues involving steroid usage ran faster than Koch's 1979 time in the next 33 years. Every athlete who ran faster than Koch had some kind of steroid controversy until 2012. Flo Jo beat it by half a second in 1988. People who came after Flo Jo who passed steroid tests could not get close to her world records. We know with absolute certainty that some of them took steroids even though the likes of Marion Jones never failed a drugs test. They had much more stringent tests than the ones that athletes like Flo Jo took, but they still passed them and they still took steroids. Logically, therefore, it is possible to take steroids and get away with it, even when testing is stringent. We know that testing was anything but stringent in the 1980s. The people before her and the people after her were very likely or definitely on steroids and Flo Jo was faster - much faster. She also passed tests but so did the people after her, and we know that some of them were cheating. Despite what you think, logically, you are suggesting that the evidence points to Flo Jo taking steroids. To add, it seems likely that the athletes in the 1990s had to be far more careful about the amounts of steroids that they took, when they took them and, perhaps, the types of steroids that they took, than the people who ran in the 1980s. Testing changed after the Olympics in 1988, which is when Flo Jo retired. That would explain why runners on steroids could not compete with her times, although it might also suggest that they simply weren't as good. Flo Jo was brilliant. The women's world records in the 100, 200, 400 and 800 metres were all set before stringent drug testing came in. In other words, the three outstanding athletes in the entire history of women's short distance running lived and competed 40 years ago. This just happens to have been the last period when rampant steroid use went unpunished. All three, particularly Koch, were outstanding runners but that is very, very odd. It is absolutely remarkable when you consider the developments in tracks, footwear, understanding of diet, sports' science etc that have emerged in the last 40 years. Not one men's record from that era still stands. Incidentally, one of those world records, the 400 metres, belongs to Koch, whose record Flo Jo beat in the 200 metres, and no-one has ever come anywhere near it. If you go on videos for the 400m and 800m world records on RU-vid, you will find hundreds of comments from Americans accusing these runners of cheating. If you browse this page, you will find hundreds of comments from Americans commenting on how great Flo Jo was. This is also very, very odd.
Had Florence Griffith joyner not cheated, Evelyn Ashford would have been the gold medalist in 1988. That would have given her back-to-back gold medals in the Olympics and she would have been considered the greatest female sprinter of all time, which she was . That's what really bothers me when people cheat. They take the medals and fame away from honest athletes who work so hard to be there.
The late Charlie Jones called this event for NBC back then...he also called the men's 100m final in which he yelled with a rasp "nine seven nine!" when Ben Johnson of Canada initially won the gold medal for Canada, but had to surrender it a couple of days later after failing a drug test, as he went "from hero to zero in 9.79". As for FloJo, she died suddenly a decade after this event from complications of an epileptic seizure and asphyxiation; she was only 38 years old.
@@CHEETAH69 find the press from 1998....dunno your age but they were for all to see - coroner report: death of Flo Jo inflamed heart cause of death symptomatic to PED/steroid abuse.
Even if Elaine breaks or equal 10.49, I will always consider Flojo to be the fastest woman ever. That lady was way to relax laughing at 70m, like that's crazy. Clearly she could've broken 10.49 had she not retired. And she easily ran 21.34. Man I hate the fact that she retired and unfortunately died years later. She was awesome.
That's what dope does it gives you confidence, she retired when upgrade drug testing was coming out,she KNEW she would be caught and loose the medals that rightfully belonged to Evelyn Ash
Dope can't do all of that. People always start singing the benefits of DOPE, but Flo-Jo was consistently fast and was drug tested frequently.@@sequillarochelle4044
Fascinating that with all the sports themed news and documentary shows, 30 for 30, Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel and whatever else is out there, they won't touch this story. 10.49 will NEVER be broken and she was one of the most rigorously tested athletes of all time. That record is almost 30 years old and the fastest women in the world are not even approaching it. Even the doped up Marion Jones never got close. This woman's story is as fascinating as Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps and nobody will touch it.
An amazing era, amazing athletes. See some comments and arguing about illegal stuff. Some of the physical changes we saw during -80s -90s on various athletes were not completely clean. Because the enhancements were not refined enough 30-40 years ago, rough edges, so to speak, so it was hard to hide side effects.. That said, it's so much money involved so I guess no one really fights it for real. Ashford, a Lady. Always small, humble, well mannered and with a leg frequency out of this world
The thing is Evelyn pick up has always been slow but her acceleration has always been immaculate.. Flo jo’s technique became amazing from start to finish and that gave her the ultimate edge.. they are both beautiful sprinters tbh
9:00 Bob Costas calling her out on the sneak. There is no way in HELL she could convince me she was always this good in the 100. She was never great in the 200, but yet crushing world records in both 4yrs after her silver in 84.
"She was never that great"........ But she won a silver in the 200m in '84. Also, 4yrs is a long time to make improvements. You say 4yrs like it was 4 months.
@@andresuston7692 know Flo was never caught dopping but it's just crazy how much faster she had got all of a sudden in 88 when she couldn't never beat or keep up with Evelyn all the other years before. Anyway Flo Jo the Fastest but Evelyn the G.O.A.T.! Felix & Shelly 2nd G.O.A.T.S not far behind Evelyn!
@Joyce Williams Flo early summer of 88 ran 10.89..then all of a sudden she running 10.4 & 10.5 during Olympic season isnt normal..10.6 is very rare & barely reachable for a female. Most Females best is 10.7 or 10.8
Flo-Jo never failed a drug test, but as one following her career and seeing the dramatic decline in times, I just can't accept the fact that she was clean.
@@weedermann True, just like many former East Germans and USSR era Russians. But as part of Jones allocation, she admitted to taking PEDs. Unknowingly she also says.
@Randall Hill After her death in 1998, Prince Alexandre de Merode, chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, claimed that Griffith Joyner was singled out for extra, rigorous drug testing during the 1988 Olympic Games following rumors of steroid use. De Merode told The New York Times that Manfred Donike, who was at that time considered to be the foremost expert on drugs and sports, failed to discover any banned substances during that testing (see "Plus: Track and Field; Official Defends Griffith Joyner". The New York Times. Associated Press. September 24, 1998. Archived from the original on June 27, 2017. Retrieved May 11, 2014).The World Anti-Doping Agency was created in the 1990s, removing control of drug testing from the IOC and De Merode. De Merode later stated: "We performed all possible and imaginable analyses on her. We never found anything. There should not be the slightest suspicion." Where is YOUR evidence?