So strange seeing East and West Germany again. I am definitely getting old but when I think back to the history of things that have happened in my lifetime, it’s crazy.
I remember when Germany made up 2/3 of present day Poland ( East Prussia) and then lost 1/3 after W.W.1 and then the rest after W.W.2. But then I am quite old ( 153 years ). 1870 Germany was huge compared to today's Germany. Ditto for Austria.
Красивая борьба! На 3-м этапе не на шутку напрягся, американки не девочки для битья и 4-ый этап обычно бежали лидеры сезона... но, низкий поклон и обнимаю вас, девчонки! В тот день вы не только взяли золото и поставили мировой рекорд, вы нашей стране сделали самый афигенный подарок - наполнили гордостью наши сердца! Простите за высокопарность... ))
The commentating in this race is hilarious..."Smart move...SMART MOVE...she has the advantage, she can run from behind the whole way!!" and then later... "HERE SHE COMES...." followed by dead silence until they realized ya, Flo-Jo ain't catching Bryzgina. LOL.
Hey, RK RK, Bryzgina was specifically trained for 400 metres (and nothing else!), where-as Flo-jo was just doing the 4th leg of this race as a favour to the general team girl-ager at the time, and even though it wasn't her specialist distance she was still starting to close on the Russian bird in the last 50 metres, Flo-Jo came away from these Olympics with 3 gold and a silver, the bird was absolutely fantastic.
Yep you have to laugh at the commentary. Typical American assholery. So focussed on their own (bell) ends that they implode into complete mardiness when they realise they aren't going to win and forget the Soviets break the world record. What a bunch of twats.
'And here she comes'....haha!! As a few have mentioned biased commentary. Hilarious to listen to actually. Bryzgina is one of the all time 400m greats and is still the 4th fastest of all time over 400m. Flo Jo was never going to beat her!
@@Dee-zy5gh Clever reply, although Olha Bryzhina didn't have a changed physique, was the most talented junior in the USSR, has had no evidence of drug use revealed, and was consistent throughout her career with no sudden increase in performance, unlike Flo-Jo.
@@solveigthana2398 Totally. But sadly the fans of Flo Jo are not gonna buy that. My point was that even if Olga Bryzhina was on something (without evidence as you said), Flo Jo was also anything but clean. So let's not paint Flo Jo as the poor little American girl who lost to the doped up Russian. That's untrue and quite frankly hilarious.
'Congratulations to the Soviets, they ran well'. Really? They set the world record, the longest standing one in all of athletics relays, and they just ran well? How can commentators be so biased?
@@rodsean So was Flo jo! And many other Americans too. Wake Up! You blind fool. USA, HAS THE WORST STEROIDS PROBLEMS. MARIION" JONES DID PRISON TIME SHE WAS THE SCAPE GOAT. LANCE ARMSTRONG RING A BELL??😕😕😕
Мир вашему дому!Как же это приятно слышать-Зовьет Юнион?Надо всё сделать,для возрождения СССР!А этот забег смотрел в прямом эфире!Тогда ещё не было у нас цветного телевизора,зато была уверенность в завтрашнем дне и стабильность!
В одну воду нельзя войти дважды. Оставьте свои мечты при себе. Ни одна из стран из бывшего СССР не присоединиться, только Россия просрав все на свете, вместо того чтобы двигаться вперёд, катится назад и народ зомбирует.
If I'm not mistaken, this is the last gold medal won by a team from the Soviet Union as well as the last medal won by East Germany. Who would have thought that by the 1992 games in Barcelona both countries would no longer exist?
The soviet union has retained her title in 4X4 as the unified team in barcelone . Since the reunification of the germany, the level of his runner have been decresed deeply.
@@BOOMSLANG85 a lot of that was due to improvements in testing as well as the fact that state sponsored doping programs were done away with after the wall came down; at least until Putin came into power.
@@partyguinness лучшая фармакология на Западе. И я не сомневаюсь, что западные спортсмены потребляли и потребляют допинг. Только многие вещества передовые и их ещё не запретили.
@@АлексейУстенко-в2ж I agree. Western countries also used drugs. The US team in 1984 was well known for covering up positive drug tests among the US team. The drugs are always one step ahead of the testers.
@@ash27slick74 Although they did not catch her like Ben Johnson in the 1988, it was very obvious that she was on something because you can NOT have that body and speed within two years. She probably was very clever chemically and mixed up substances so that her drugs and steroids did not show up! However, a "perfectly healthy woman who was a triple Olympic champion (100m, 200m, and 4X100 relay) in 88", died of heart attack in her late 30s or early 40s. Believe me - I am trained MD, and nobody of that caliber will die in that age if the person was genuinely healthy. She was not! That is why she died of a massive heart attack in her prime years. The answer is STEROIDS! Look at her contemporaries, Gwen Torrence and Jamaica's Merlene Ottey! They as healthy as horse, and Merlene is actually still on the track near 60 years by now! And interestingly, both Gwen and Merlene publicly said that Flo JO was on drugs! They know a thing or two about sprinting!
kev t I'm not. Her progress is just not possible clean when records in the 100 and 200 are boken by hundredths of a second and she breaks them buy tenths. Plus her death at 38. She was drugged up and so sad.
These commentators are ridiculous. The most brilliant women's 4x400 m ever raced in history by the Soviet team and they say " They ran well". Stupid guys. And after the race they show and interview the losers not a single frame on the winners. Pffft!
@@johnnymora8363Yup. It's a moral issue: Flo Jo achieved her results through hard training. She didn't need doping. That's the point here. She changed coaches, she and her husband developed new training methods, which brought the long-awaited success, in addition to the work put in. A statement from Flo Jo and her husband, Al Joyner: “I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.” Only those who have nothing to hide say so. Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record. Period. There are interviews with her from 1984 where her voice is exactly the same. She always had a deep voice.Her voice is also deep in the training video made in 1994, even though she hasn't competed in years. Flo Jo's death was caused by an epileptic seizure due to a congenital brain disorder, sadly drowned RIP. Florence Griffith Joyner retires from the field On February 22, 1989, five months after the Seoul Olympic Games, Florence Griffith Joyner announced her retirement from track and field. When discussing her retirement with Liguori, Florence Griffith Joyner said: "I retired in 1989 because I could no longer train at 100%, the way I used to train. If I can't give it my all, I don't want to give it at all." Florence Griffith Joyner moved on with her life. She became a mother, pursued fashion design and continued to combine sports and style. She even designed the 1990 NBA uniforms for the Indiana Pacers. After the death of Florence Griffith Joyner, doping allegations against her intensified. Many believed that illegal performance enhancers may have contributed to her death. However, after the autopsy, Dr. Richard Fukumoto, forensic medicine expert, clearly stated that no changes caused by steroids or other doping agents could be detected in her body. "This report allows Florence Griffith Joyner to rest in peace," said Primo Nebiolo, then president of the International Association of Athletics Federations. “Her family has had to endure incredible media attacks, many trying to undermine her legacy without any real evidence. This campaign harmed the entire sport and the anti-doping campaign. I expect more responsible behavior from media representatives in the future. I hope that after this, many members of the athletic world will assure the family of their love and sympathy." The 100m and 200m world record holder is Flo Jo, these are the facts. Facts are stubborn things. "Flo Jo was juicing". These are just assumptions. The truth is, no one has ever proven these allegations. So Flo Jo's world records are and will remain official. I don't see anyone who can topple them. Flo Jo achieved her results with the perfect harmony of body, soul and spirit. Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Florence Griffith Joyner's style and speed brought her international fame, but her Olympic performance was clouded by skepticism. A year after the Games, in 1989, a former American athlete named Darrell Robinson told a European magazine that Florence Griffith Joyner had given her money to buy growth hormones. Florence Griffith Joyner denied the allegations, telling the New York Times, "It's all made up lies about drugs. I'd be crazy to do drugs." In 1998, sports commentator John Feinstein said on NPR's Morning Edition, "The rumors were in Seoul in 1988, and I think the first thing to note is that he never tested positive," he said. "But she became a star late. She was 28 at the time... These rumors will always be there and she's been asked about them throughout her career, which she's always denied." The International Olympic Committee's medical board says it conducted rigorous drug testing on Florence Griffith Joyner during the 1988 Olympics - and it always came back negative. Florence Griffith Joyner spoke to journalist Ann Liguori about the allegations in 1991: "I knew I had never taken drugs, so I didn't let it bother me when people said that. I knew it was something that was in the news," she said. "People were looking for personal things to point at the athletes. Try not to buy it and just focus on what needs to be done and move on." I know it's hard to accept the fact that Flo Jo is the best in the world, pure. No one has ever proven that it is muddy. That being said, I understand that you are suffering and trying to smear Flo Jo's memory, but that only qualifies you. Your baseless accusations are just trying to reassure me, I am calm because I know the truth about Flo Jo's purity. So you can say anything until you prove that your words are empty. . She is the only woman to hold 2 athletics world records for more than 35 years. I'm sorry you can't understand that there are people in our world who can create admirable acts without any doping. DYOR The Jamaicans and Flo Jo's American opponents want to erase her official world records. I understand the reason for this: It is hard for them to bear that there was such an excellent athlete who achieved such fantastic results without doping. The envy, jealousy, anger that they may feel because of this becomes palpable to those who can sense it. It's easier for people to make accusations, find excuses, smear someone (Flo Jo) if their goal is not to acknowledge the wonderful achievements of a certain person. Such is human nature..
Commentator: after "smart move smart move", he offers us "she tucks in behind Olga..." (checks notes) "...Bryzgina"- well, why should he remember her name, she was only the gold medallist in the 400M.
Unreal, I almost can't believe how fast they are going... the first Russian girl was absolutely unreal! It's no wonder that world record is still standing. This has to be one of the best relay races in history. The commentator couldn't believe they hung on and beat out Flo Jo.
These commentators sure knew how to spin a loss into a moral victory. Geez! Shut up already! USA lost! Just because Flo-Jo runs around the final curve doesn't mean "Here she comes!" and presto! She overtakes the Soviet for the gold. Simply means she is running around the final curve, period.
Flo-Jo's split was 48 which I think is still the record for the US. Keep in mind the regular 400m record is 47.6 (held by Marita Koch 1985!!!!). as I understand it she wasn't prepared to run the 400 at all (comments confirm this).
Naturally it was 1985! That was pre mandatory drug testing in 1989. And guess what? Post 1989, bar athletic events in their infancy at world level, it wasn't until 2016 that an existing female T&F world record was broken in a then Olympic event. That's despite improved technique, faster track surfaces and better footwear. That was the Olympics that damaged the sport of athletics beyond repair, (prolly would've been 84 but for the Eastern European tit for tat no show) in no small part because of Flo Jo and Ben Johnson. This was drug cheating on an industrial scale fueled by testosterone and HGH. State sponsored doping by East Germans and Russians. In European athletics in the late 70s and 80s it was very rare to see a Western European women in a final let alone a medal. This isn't like more recent cheating, like Marion Jones, the Greek pair and a whole host of Russians, Turks and Belarussians since dq'd from 2012 and the like, trying to avoid much more rigorous testing. This was turbo boosted cheating.
Yes very good time. But you forgot one major thing. You can never compare a running start with a start from the blocks. The time 47.6 is from the blocks.
@@drumtum mentioned only to point out how fast the record is - running starts will typically be faster eh? which highlights how fast Marita's time from the blocks was (yes I realize there is controversy over the East Germans probably doping at that time)
Florence was an individual runner not a team runner...in this video it's a clear evidence...she didn't tried hard... Also in the 4x100m event in this olympic, USA was in the first position ( 1st and 2nd runner) after she received the baton , USA began to slow down ,by the time Evelyn Ashford received the baton from Florence, USA was in 3rd position.... noticed???
Давайте скажем правду. Сегодня в лёгкой атлетике на всех соревнованиях мирового уровня это уже соревнования не мирового первенства, а африканского и южно-американского континентов. А то, что эти спортсмены представляют Европу и США просто блеф...
При СССР такого бы: а) не было, он мог и не допустить современной вакханалии, б) это ему бы не помешало побеждать. Как и ГДР! Но с Путирашкой, все понимают, можно делать всё. И делают. Особенно старается некто Путин.
the 2024 Olympics are officially over and the USSR girls still hold the world record. Amazing!!! It hasn't broken in 36 years! That just says it all. Great run from the USA girls too, but i think USSR back then was unbeatable.
I dont know if any of the American runners were on drugs, nor do i know if any of the Soviet runners were on drugs, The only 2 people DEFINITELY smoking, popping, shooting or snorting were the COMMENTATORS!!!......what race were they watching?
Let's agree here Flojo was never a 400M runner and unlike the East German who was was the 400M world record holder at the time. The expectation that Flojo would beat her was just too much.
+ stevebbuk Not true. The world record that beat the Soviets in Seoul was established in East German city Erfurt in 1984. In Canberaa 1985, the GDR scored 3:19.49.
The by far best athlete of the 80's, Marita Koch, abandoned her carrier 18 month bevor. Ah, U wanna talk about doping? Watch your own team and shut up.
You don't know that for a fact if anybody was using steroids the Soviet Union had better runners in the United States in that era the Soviet Union was still a a Powerhouse in track America you think you're the only country in the world deserves to win anything you're not ask Jamaica
@@joejordan1259 The top 2 teams ran faster than any teams today. They were all doped up to the eyballs, don't kid yourself. East Germany were too, but already fading in drug effectiveness as the Berlin wall was soon to come down and they were already forced to adopt some of the West German policies. You are right the Soviets won fair and square, both had more drugs than a drug ring operation and Soviets dopies beat US dopies, including the biggest doper ever- Fraud Griffith Joyner.
@@joejordan1259 Yes everyone was juiced to the gills then, so it was a level playing field. Bryzgina & Russia just kicked ass. If anything Flo Jo was on way stronger horse pills than anyone else, since she is the only one who dropped dead before 40 because of her drugs, and the Soviets still won so there you go. I feel sorry for Ben Johnson who definitely was on drugs, but the entire mens (and womens) 100 finals were practically legal doping rings, but since he is stupid, unpopular, and beat golden boy Lewis, he got made an example of.
Those red USA leotards back in '88 were way ahead of their time and paved the way for the widespread use of them in elite women's athletics in the 90's.
Given both WR & AR, along with the German record, have lasted now 30+ years, it shows that this race was EVEN-STEVEN. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
+ K Francis Yes. The best result in history, after the Olympics in Seoul 3: 16,71, won the American women at the World Championships in Stuttgart in 1993. And the best result in the 21st century 3: 16.87 from the London games, also belongs to American women. It must be added that Bryzhina and Nazarova received on their changes 4 and 5 respectively the best time in history, obtained from a flying start. Bryzhina 47.80 and Nazarova 47.82. In the 21st century, American women started the relay several times, so that at the first change they were over a second faster than the pace for the world record of the Soviets, but then only lost to them.
Notice how Flo-Jo follows Bryzgina all the way around the track but can't overtake her, yet at the end is actually gaining on her. A 100m/200m specialist somehow finishes a 4x400m relay stronger than the Olympic 400m gold medalist. Those who claim Flo-Jo wasn't on anything because she was never caught are kidding themselves.
No,because it is not true,Tatiana Ledovskaya and Olga Nazarova are both from Tula(Russia),Olga Bryzgina(Vladykina) is also Russian from Perm region,only Maria Pinigina(Kulchunova) is from Kyrgyzstan,she lives in Russia right now. So,your sentences is totally wrong,do your homework first.
Were any of the winners racing without drug enhancements? There are many reasons to be suspicious of Flo-Jo, for starters. Most of the women's records in running were set in the 1980s, several by Eastern Bloc athletes widely suspected of doping. These records still stand more than four decades later. Was the 80s generation of women racers just better than later generations, or was something else going on in this era?
Commentators weren't biased. It's not an international network, it's a US network. Every country's broadcasters cheer for their own fellow citizens when it comes to the Olympic games. It's called national pride.
This is true, but when, after the race, they show the team that took second place and do not show the winners who set the world record, it is too much.
Everytime I watch this race I 've to give credit to the greatest female sprinter of all times up to now after so much running at the Olympics still managed to pull off second if she get the baton first she would taken gold.
I would tend to differ with your statement even though its your opinion but honestly speaking i would say Shelly Ann Frazer Pryce 2 time Olympic Champion and 4 time World Champion she's the second fastest woman in history and fastest woman alive 10.63secs and she's aiming for her 3rd Olympic Gold medal in the 100m at the Tokyo Olympics... Flo Jo only had one successful Olympics 1988 plain n straight...
Andrés Mauricio, he was meaning 4 golds in the same game for women at that time. I think Florence was the only one then. 100, 200, 4x100 relays she won glods and she was going to win the forth in 4x400, unfortunately they got silver
I think they toned down considerably for those Games. I guess they had run out of state funds by then; that, or the chances of getting caught were higher. Honestly, I think some members in the USA and USSR squad were more drugged up that the East Germans in 1988.
Fate decides. Flo Jo's inexperience was the only thing that lost that race for her. She held back for too long. At the end, she was closing the gap but it was too late. Blame the coaches for putting her in the wrong place and not preparing her properly. She probably should have run the third leg and not held back at all. Then Brisco could have anchored. Then we'd be having a different conversation.
If they put Flo Jo on the 3rd leg they might take the lead going into the anchor but Bryzgina would easily run down Brisco Hooks for the win. So it would make no difference.
@@alansamuel2454 She is still the only one who would stand a shot against Bryzgina on the anchor. You really think any of the 3 women who didnt medal in the 400, including an old past her prime Hooks, wouldnt easily be run down by sub 49 400 metre and the Olympic and World Champ Bryzgina if she were anywhere close?
Anyone else with 2024 hindsight now thinking the USSR could of been doping given what we know about their athletic programme now the scandal that came out years ago?
2:50 - the exhausted canadian just quit on the 2nd leg with about 80 yards left - so the next 2 canadians never even got a chance to run - i doubt they were happy with her (watch the 3rd leg canadian woman disdainfully look back up the track at her and then walk off) - ben johnson and then that.
However both doping so equal I missed the rivalry between the West and the Communist Block on track and field which is where it should remain without doping on both sides.
It seems that USA had good chance to win 4 x 400 women relay in 1988 if FJ had run first 50 m faster than this. Because she had that ability. Due to some kind of doubt she didn't do it if you see this video again and again you can see it.
+Dharmasiri Rathnayake had she gone faster earlier she wouldn't have finished as strongly. She isn't a natural 400 metre runner who hasn't done the endurance work of the true 400 specialists.
+Dharmasiri Rathnayake There is no way anyone can argue with what Flojo did here. She NEVER used to run the 400, yet still pulled off a 48.1. Absolutely unbelievable!!!! She was never beating the Russian, but she sure came close.
Tj Mckenzie I do think this run shows she had all the ability for a 400. She ran a bit of a cautious race all the way, like she doubted her ability in that distance a bit, yet still ran such a fast split and almost equal to Bryzgina one of the best 400 runners ever, and by far the best at the time. I think she could have attacked more in the early going and still finished strongly as she did, although we will never know. I am not even going to get into the drug usage as everyone around then was using drugs. Flo Jo and Bryzgina sure as heck are both druggies, and so are most of the others in this race, so frankly don't give a shit either way. When you have an idiot IOC president who compares using drugs in sport to musicians and singers using them, what do you expect.
Much as I love America, don't you just wish that Flo Jo gets beat here? The U S commentators talked as though it was a foregone conclusion that F J would hack around in second place and then come hurtling past like a rocket and win by ten lengths. Looks very much like F J made a mistake and took a gulp of pepsi cola rather than her normal ''Magic Potion''.....and don't it show?!!!.
No, as an American I wanted Flo Jo to win. And of course the Americans assumed she'd pull out the win. She had run the 200 in 21.3 seconds. So they knew she had unbelievable power on the track.
If I remember right, it was an American female sprinter who was incredulous of Flo Jo's time in one particular race. I think it was that disbelief that got a lot of people talking about FJ in a questionable way.
***** I don't remember any female American openly questioning FloJo's times. But I think her 10.49 after never really running the 100. And then her 21.34 after never running faster than 21.9 before 88 is what got many folks talking.
