There won’t be another Shannon Miller from USA ever again... she creates masterpieces in every of her performance ..and her slender curvy frame made her so beautiful to watch
And what have you done Catherine other than hate Miller ;)?? Miller is so weak that's why she does a full in dismount (dismount that most elite gymnasts can't do nowadays). Girl bye💀💀💀💀.
C'mon - both Miller and Lysenko are amazing gymnasts, as well as Gutsu and the rest. Can't we just leave it at that? Why hate on Miller, or any of them for that matter? Can any of you "critics" even come close to doing what any of these athletes achieved? I know I sure can't :) BTW, Miller did eventually get her beam gold anyway, and in front of the home crowd to boot. Perhaps had she won here we would have been denied the chance to witness that amazing moment.
Ugh Miller stans are the worst. Ok first, not in any world, this or next, is that routine a 10. She has wobbles, adjustments on dismount and form issues on dismount. Second, this routine is not as good as the one she did in 96. Third, it wasn't even the best at these games, Lysenko and Gutsu had superior exercises.
@@annapavfan4680 Not a 10, but I would have atleast given her a higher score than Lu Li. Lu Li's routine was too simple for an event final. I don't think she should have even medaled. It was very well done though, but no difficulty or content really.
@@shushunovafan4301 It wasn't even HER best beam routine ever at the Olympics, and her stans are calling it the best beam routine ever at the Olympics, LOL! Just funny.
this judging is sketch. Lysenko's routine was cleaner than Miller's (shannon had 2 adjustments, but very slight), and while I am not going to argue with the actual placement, I do take issue with the scores. How the hell does lysenko end up wtih 9.975 and Miller with a 9.912?
@russianskatingfan you know one of the two mistakes i'm faulting miller on is her landing with one foot in front of the other, which Lysenko also does, right? Lysenko had a visible break in her opening planche as well. While I don't debate the final standings, I do take issue with the way these routines were overall scored. BTW I do believe you are somewhat clouded by your antipathy of Miller: this routine by Miller is incredibly clean.
@@rolandgreen7484 much more difficult routine?? There’s no difference in difficulty at all comparing Bogi and Lu li’s routine but a harder mount from Bogi
Shannon miller’s routine should’ve been perfect! She was robbed of the perfect 10, i think her performance here at the 1992 barcelona is far more better than her performance in Atlanta in 1996.
i disagree. i think she could have been marked higher yep but the ukrainian girl deserved to win. i would have given 10 to the ukrainian judge and 9.95 to miller
2 of the 4 scores that counted for Lysenko were 10s. My only issues with that routine are the that she doesn't really put her free arm to the side on her one-arm handstand, and the cowboy on her dismount. Everything else is *chef's kiss* 💗
Not really. Because for everyone who tries to argue that the judges "favor" the Soviets, there is another who tries to argue that they "favor" the Americans. The reality is, the judges are human beings and with an imperfect code they sometimes just get things wrong. Shannon Miller's score was fair (and to be honest slightly overscored because she took a step on the landing which is at least a .1 deduction), but Lu Li was overscored as well here (her routine was clearly not as difficult as Miller's yet scored the same). So does that mean the judges were favoring the Chinese? Were they trying to screw over the American? No. It just means they were too liberal on their scores with the first athlete, and didn't expect several more later to be superior.
I still laugh that some people say Boginskaya should've knocked out Lu li or Miller off the podium with her routine😂. What a great routine from Miller too. Well deserved silver she earned.
Boginskaya did not deserve to beat Miller, but I don't see how her beating Lu Li is far fetched at all. Her routine was certainly harder. Lu Li had to have the easiest routine in the whole finals, can't believe she tied for silver. She did it perfectly, but too basic for an event finals routine. It reminds me of Gogean and her medal in 96.
I don’t see how boginskaya’s routine is more difficult than Lu li’s at all. The only difference I see is that boginskaya has a front tuck mount. But Lu li has a not-easy mount as well. And the judges simply didn’t ignore bogin’s form on her dismount
Miller's score on beam was a crying shame, and a real head-scratcher--especially in comparison with her AA routine. The crowd booing is 💯 % accurate. The silver should have been hers alone.
It was an era where scoring was insanely biased. The Unified team and Romania had the judging in the bag between them. It’s a huge reason I’m glad the 10 system is long gone.
@@thesovgc the only reason for that one is it would have been so blatantly obvious they were biased it would have sparked a massive outcry and likely investigation into corruption if she hadn’t won. Her routine was as smooth and effectively performed as it could possibly be. If there’d been even the tiniest miscue I suspect she’d have finished second. Milosovic had a couple of small form breaks that weren’t accounted for so… not like her floor routine but still.
Her AA routine was OVERscored thouogh. Her event finals one might have been underscored but if you are comparing to her AA that isn't really accurate as she never deserved the score she got in the AA with 2 big wobbles. The only reason she came as close to winning the AA as she did was she outscored Gutsu on beam in the AA when she didn't deserve to at all.
Miller was way underscored. Lyssenko 100% deserved the title, but I do think Shannon's 9.912 was too low. I saw only one or two tiny breaks - should have been at least a 9.925.
Can anyone tell me why gymnasts today don't ever do 4 acrobatic elements along the beam? Is it because the body shape of the girls has changed? Sorry if I'm asking a stupid question, I just always wondered as I saw several do the 4 in the 1996 Olympics but haven't seen any do them since.
No, it really shouldn't have. Not if they were judging correctly. She took a step on the dismount (which is a .1 deduction). She was actually overscored because her routine should have gotten no higher than 9.900 with the step on the landing. Lu Li was overscored as well (as Shannon clearly had a more difficult routine), and Lysenko clearly had the best routine of the three.
People complain so much about the current scoring method but scoring was far too liberal and indiscriminate in these days. They handed out high scores like it was going out of style. Certain people were overscored and others underscored far too often.
@russianskatingfan Im not pointing my fingers at anyone's fans, only the judges. The "mistakes" i refer to are tiny balance checks that are honestly only visible during the slow mo replays. Whether you like or dislike Miller, you must admit that this routine incredibly clean. I think this routine is quite underscored, and I dont say this because Im a fan of anyone, I say this because it puts into question the scoring across the board.
Looking back it’s pretty clear Miller deserved a silver alone for beam, I would have put lu behind boginskaya who should have gotten bronze but ce la vi. Lysenko was clearly the best, no breaks other than minor form issues that everyone else had, difficulty second only to Miller, best artistry and rhythm, originality etc.
In the uneven bars, not really. Her bars composition there wasn’t as crisp as the two ahead of her. On beam? I can’t disagree. In the AA final? Without question.
@ViardotVSGrisi I also take issue with how the routines were scored. Lysenko should have had a 10, and Boginskaya deserved atleast as high a mark as both Miller and Lu. The crowd booed Boginsakaya's score louder than Miller or Lu's so seem to agree. Have a nice day.
Bogi had good difficulty on beam, despite her critics. She was one of few gymnasts in the top three teams mounting with something risky. She normally connected it to a double stag jump (not done in finals). FF two layouts is ok, gainer layout, nothing too exciting there. But she always stuck her dismount. I would say had she not bobbled here a tie for silver was fair.
I wonder if Miller had just watered down her routine by dropping the Miller element and changed the full in into the simple double back (like Lysenko) would she have scored 9.95 or more and tied for gold ??? Her difficulty was higher than any other gymnast in the final.
Probably since she wouldn't have had the small breaks she had on both. But she wouldn't have done that as no gymnast goes in strategically trying for less content than they are capable of. Miller did not know how the final would be performed, and if it might have been stronger than it was, in which she may have needed those skills and hit perfectly.
@ViardotVSGrisi It was not "incredibly clean". A routine with 2 visible mistakes, even if small, is not incredibly clean. Lysenko's routine was incredibly clean and perfect and rightfully had a higher mark.
@ViardotVSGrisi If you claim she had 2 mistakes that would mean her score shouldnt have been any higher than a 9.9 as each would have to be a half tenth deduction right? Of course Miller fans seem to think deductions should only apply to her competitors and not to her. With her gift AA titles at the 93 and 94 Worlds based on the judges employing that philosophy little wonder they feel that way.
Lysenko had less difficulty and the benefit to go last. Miller had far more difficulty than Lysenko did acrobatically in the first acro series ,(they both had three layouts), switch leap to 1/4 handstand, and the dismount.
@@annapavfan4680 Miller should have had a .1 deduction for taking a step on the landing of her dismount. Her routine should only have gotten a 9.900 with that error. So technically, she was overscored. Lysenko stuck the dismount and had no wobbles in her exercise. Both of their routines were out of a 10.0 start value, which means that Lysenko should have won. The placement was accurate (even though the scoring was not).
@@captainbryce1 Ok. I can agree with your statement. The judges did give Miller higher marks for her dismount, so I'm sure from that's why the score wasn't 9.9 .
@@rolandgreen7484 A stick means "no movement" on landing. Lysenko actually stuck the dismount; Shannon did not. Whether they took a full tenth or only a half tenth is irrelevant. Regardless of what they "should have taken", the point is Lysenko's routine was closer to "perfect" than Miller's was - and that is exactly what was reflected in the score.
@@rolandgreen7484 True, but that just goes to reflect the flaws in the old "closed" scoring system. The perfect 10 cap limited the D scores and put any gymnast with higher degree difficulty on the same playing field as gymnasts with less difficulty. This put them at a disadvantage since no matter how hard your routine was, once you hit that 10 threshold you received no additional credit for difficulty - but would receive the same deductions from a 10.0. If Simone Biles had competed under the old scoring system, she would not be as dominant as she is under the current scoring system, despite having equally impressive gymnastics.
Agreed. The dismounts: double back versus a full twisting double back. Not sure what they are in the CoP now, but I always see double backs. Rarely a full twisting double back.
@@rachelgascon Beam routines are now much more harder, so by the end of the routine some girls have not strength to throw a dismount like a full twisting double back, and also the gymnasts can have a high D score without needing a very difficult dismount.
Lu Li's routine was also cleaner than Miller's with flawless execution on everything, but with less difficulty which is why they tied. Also fair. Boginskaya and Bontas should have been closer in score to them though.
I don't know what's annoying to you, but if having a civilized argument/opinion about a subject that seems annoying to you just because you can't back up your statement, then I guess we are annoying;)
Shannon was so robbed. Robbed robbed robbed robbed. Tatiana has a dismount I could do at 50 years old. At this level of competition I think Shannon’s routine should have been the gold. Even the entire arena thought so. Those judges were so wrong. Why is it that they hate Americans so bad they would take it out on a bunch of children. Seriously why? Hate America all you want but don’t take it out on the kids. Shannon won all around and beam in my opinion. Tatiana was great but still not Shannon’s routine.
