I reinstalled Brood War and played some 1v1s as Zerg today. I'm an ancient rusty SC2 player and it's rough, but I had so much fun. Watching this game was all the more awesome just having had that brief experience and relating to what I saw on screen more. BW forever
Yeah, playing the game a bit helps very much in appreciating the top players. There are so many that play so good, we now take a lot of things for granted, like decent micro and decent macro at the same time, with people not really forgetting massive things at home and basically always seeing the things on the minimap. But when you play yourself you realize just how brutally difficult it is to control this game, it's so rough and micro intensive.
Shine needed just a single extra spore to win/hold that fight. He was really greedy getting his vespene up before proper defense. Jaedong only had 5 mutas at the end of that fight, and if Shine had a third spore it likely would have killed/helped take damage enough for at least 3 mutas to die and possibly have shine come out on top during the fight. Hard to say.
Damn, Shine is a player also known for strong ZvZ, but Jaedong still got it despite not even muta microing perfectly vs scourges. Reminds us how frightening Jaedong was at his peak.
I have been watching a lot of Jaedong vods recently and he is in PEAK form right now. He improved his win rate in ZvT from something like 48% to 65%. Looking like an absolute monster right now.
LoL, what the hell are you smoking ? He is in very good form, but not peak. I remember his peak, with 81% win rate in ZvZ, with much better micro. Also very good ZvT, though I don't remember how much he had as a win rate. But those games were spectacular too. His ZvP I think is/was his weakest. Anyway, I am happy to see him getting better, he had many amazing matches, and I can't wait to see that.
@@Winnetou17 There were serious bonjwa vibes from Jaedong during this time. If not for the concurrent presence of Bisu and Flash, he would have become a bonjwa. The bonjwa criteria are silly in my opinion anyway, because they are too relative to other players. I agree with every established bonjwa, but it would be a bettet term if it included the other greatest players of all time (Bisu, Jaedong, and we can discuss one or two more). In absolute terms, Jaedong is a GOAT.
Haven’t watched the vod yet but just wanted to shout out to everyone who came to watch artosiscasts on Christmas Day like me haha. Merry Christmas all from Sydney , Aus! 🥳
Just an fyi, I don’t think damage can be reduced below 1. This is based on UMS games where armor values go up to 255. So each level of carapace reduces damage by 2
I think what happened is Shine won the mind game when he made a lot of lings and he had an advantage. But then his spore placement in main was terrible. 1. spores weren't defending bottom mineral patches 2. spores weren't defending gas 3. spores were even blocking some mineral patches. Great job by JD exploiting the spore placement and coming back.
That's quite the strech, if you ask me. First of all, nobody even comes close to the tricks Boxer developed, I think mainly because you can't find any anymore. I mean, just some high level tricking your opponent into doing something bad. Also Jaedong is also very good with macro, Boxer never shined there. Boxer was also much more defensive, while having mostly aggressive small team pushes, like drops and such. JD can very effectively throw 100 units at you in an all-around swarm/invasion. So, all in all, quite different. I love them both.
@@Winnetou17 i respect ur points but jd has continued playing and developing his macro,boxer hasnt. Think on early jd hydra rushes into terran, reliance on muta micro when others didnt know it. Although yes boxer tricks are unmatched jd did tricks and reliance on micro to win a lot.
@@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips True. He also had at least several games where he made pretty unbelieveable comebacks, much like Boxer. And I also remember, more of a JD thing than Boxer, insisting on doing some rather crazy stuff. One particular game I remember quite well, though I don't remember the other, terran, player. JD in that match insisted on staying on 2 base muta against the terran, well after he got sci vessels and irradiate. And managed to win, against all odds. Simply with brute force micro (which sounds weird, I know, lol)
when you have higher armor than the attack you still take 1 damage, when you have exactly the same armor as the attack it alternates you take 1 damage you ignore 1 damage, not usually seen in starcraft unless you play ums maps
I definitely get why he doesn't cast ZvZ very often. Because as a super duper Zerg fan boy, there is only pain to be had in ZvZ. Because one zerg must lose and that hurts. We need more stalemates.
the issue with making tech in ZvZ is that it is such a hefty and monumental investment in ZvZ _just_ to go for the Queen's Nest. it is _the_ reason why ZvZ is just pure Muta Wars so often. 1 singular Muta off can literally be what ends the game, even with muta counts as high as 20 or 30. that's _just_ to get a Queen's Nest, too. just that cutting _one_ Muta out can be what loses you the game. it's REALLY rough :(
Fantastic game, fantastic cast! This game once again proves to me that Starcraft 1 is FAR superior to Starcraft 2. In SC2, it's exceedingly rare to see a game this good, this back-and-forth, this strategic, and this fun. In SC1, this seems to be a regular occurrence.
It was nice to see a ZvZ Mutalisk fight play out fully, but I really wish that the meta would evolve to the point where ZvZ hive tech was a regular occurrence, instead of a rare treat.
Hmm 5 sporens in every base?! Then he would need to waste 9 extra larva/drones. jaedong would probably just sit back and expand/tech and get even more ahead
He would have been 100% dead. A dozen of mutas with +2 armor are already very good at killing spores. You'll need to basically fill the entire creep with spores to stay safe from 15+ mutas.
Hydralisks deal explosive damage and mutas are small units, so they take 50% less damage. So a hydra deals 5 damage, Down to 4, I think, with +2 armor, if I understand the formula correctly (10 -2) / 2 = 4. So, with 5 damage you need 24 shots (more if they're not simultaneous, because of regeneration) to kill a muta. Add micro and the most you can do with hydras is zone out the mutas, when you have enough of them, of just lose them badly if they're not enough. Still, in gas form, you can have 4 hydras to 1 muta so.... it might work ? I don't know. If the opponent realizes in time, he can attack with zerglings at the same time and smoke the hydras.
Shine has 1 more drone "significantly higher economy* two seconds later Jdong is up one drone and Shine has a drone being micro'd "slightly better economy" 🤔
It was a normal Zerg match with extra steps. This is Click bait and disgusting. Why aren't you casting these with tasteless. We need his Man voice to balance out your Terran whining
@@Winnetou17 what was back and fourth it was a normal Korean ZvZ they full on attack each other with similar builds and then we watched for like 15 mins as they slowly rebuild. it was not a cool ZvZ with defiler and ultra like in the ASL. Artosis was click baiting. This is just as bad when he had his dumb face on the thumbnail with a shocked expression. BE BETTER TOSIS
