2000: Duncan vs. Garnett 

zzDzCzCzz getting yourself hyped for a game is great for mentality, according to sports science. KG set the energy for the players around him, he was a bully on the COURT, which is great (entertainment) he always kept it on the court.

Thing is, he could never bully Duncan Tim would just look at him, shrug and end on down the field leaving KG standing there looking foolish. Shaq says Duncan was the only player he could never get to lose his cool. He says Tim would just shrug, and say ,”

Watch this Shaq and then bank the ball off the glass.

Garnett like Tim you ugly AF... tims like yeah sure whatever then scores on him, and says to garnett your mothers cookie tasted delicious 🤣

watch the documentary on why he does so. being a quiet player doesn’t mean anything doesn’t define your skill or value. Shaq was crazy animated and he’s better than both

Quit hating

Kevin Garnett better bro im sorry

@@Suge8263 no he's not

Please add that he played with a better team and coach!

We all know duncan is superior if you watch hem play, it is obvious

I'd never dismiss KG ever. But I do think Duncan's the absolute best at his position and it's not only the rings that back up that standpoint in my view. But Garnett's probably top five.

Tim used to be able to run the floor too guys

I personally love KG & like him a lot more than Duncan but i think Timmy is more fundamentally sound than KG. KG relied a little more on his athleticism in my opinion (which obviously was better than Duncan's). In both their primes, I think KG was better but Duncan has a seemingly ageless game cuz of his fundamentals! i agree with you 100% though! i think KG could've had a much better career with a different team, coach, etc. The Wolves' front office had SO many problems when KG was there; he basically had to do EVERYTHING for that team!

Stephen Cogan "Garnett's probably top five". PROBABLY? He is a lock for top 3 PF all time.

1.Duncan 2.Malone 3.Dirk 4.Garnett 5.Barkeley

Wow your stupid as shit

The truth hurts.......

davidrivas305 Where do you rank Bob Pettit?

McHale over Malone and kg? Really

Adam Gottlieb I didn't had the chance to watch Bob Pettit play. I read some things about him and watched some film, but that's it. I'm sure he is right there with the greatest, but I'm bias towards the 80's onward. The NBA and basketball in general has evolved a lot since the 50's, probably as good as he was, he couldn't compete with later generations.

shamier smith I'm not going to bad mouth Malone. He is as good as they come. But to my eyes, McHale had better fundamentals and the best post moves ever in the history of the game alongside Olajuwon. In top of that he has three rings and had many more moves and resources than Malone. McHale was obviously not as stronger as Malone, but he had better basketball IQ. He was the better player.

davidrivas305 Which Malone though?

Well since eveyone saw his stats greatly diminish when he had to split stats with 2 other established superstars and an up and comer point guard in Boston, I'd imagine his stats would be similar to inferior to Duncan's. He was on the overloaded celtics team for 6 years and only managed one ring, proving Tim Duncan is the best winner at that position all time.

My sentiments exactly. If you talk about career, yes, Duncan is better. If you're talking about actual talent and gift, KG is better. KG is individually a better player than Duncan.

gerizzyYMcrew 2 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs. Nuff said.

gerizzyYMcrew Don't know what NBA are you watching but Pop didn't put the ball in the basket nor he created Duncan. With your stupid logic, you are also saying that Mike Brown created Lebron.

gerizzyYMcrew Pop created Duncan!? Are you high? TD has been playing basic fundamentals since college and he's the number 1 draft pick. Pop doesn't have anything to do with it. Oh really? Look at KG. The Nets have the most number of stars this season and they can't do shit. Now, look at the Spurs. TD has been averaging double-doubles despite being older than KG. Who's your savior now?

gerizzyYMcrew KG is only better at steals, and barely better at rebounding, other than that tim duncan has 3 more championships and finals MVP's, 1 more MVP award, 6 more nba first teams, 3 more defensive 2nd teams,and the NBA rookie of the year award

gerizzyYMcrew Also KG has been reduced to a useless player, while Tim Duncan has kept his team as one of the best in the west for his whole career, and there was only one season with Tim Duncan that the Spurs had less than 50 wins and that is because there were only 50 games

He had Cassell and The Strangler... Number one seed, and still got bounced... He was the type to need everything to be better than the other teams to close the deal, kinda like Durant did. Keep your excuses, Duncan was better, and his individual greatness was validated by guys who played the position Malone and Barkley. They say he's the best 4 man, and I'll roll with them over haters.

5 now

@@TheRealist1. bro in the series they lost in 6 games to the lakers was because cassell got hurt so kg had to play point guard dont act like the wolves had depth in their lineup educate yourself

@@bryscul22 you can make all of the excuses you want... The fact still remains

@@TheRealist1. he not making excuses that was a fact. I don't care if he would've won against LA cuz Minnesota damn sure wasn't fucking wit them Pistons that year

+SixtySixNation Lol yea this post isn't biased at all.. KG put up SLIGHTLY better offensive numbers on a much worse team. That's easier to do. Duncan was/is the backbone to a perennial title contender. He's been better for longer as well. KG was been washed for a couple years now. The Spurs are in the middle of their 19th (!!) straight season of 50+ wins. What Duncan's done is truly remarkable. And if you really want to play the stats game, then here, have a look at what someone else posted in the comments already: Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs. KG Playoff career averages: 18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg TD Playoff career averages: 21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002. Either way, the stats KG put up only once resulted in a championship, whereas Tim put up BETTER stats and won MORE rings, with a legitimate chance to get a 6th this year. KG's time as an elite player in the league lasted about 11 years from 1997 to 2008 while Timmy has been for his entire 17 year career. There's no doubt KG was an absolute force and a top 5 all time PF, but he cannot touch the GOAT PF.

+Brandon Van "I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002." You know, I could counter by saying Tim Duncan Averaged 29ppg/17/rbg/5apg/3bpg in the 02 conference semi's. But then we'd have to also look at his 5 Turn overs per game. His 42% shooting. And the fact he lost in 5 games. The only game they won, they won in spite of Tim Duncan's 10 turnovers. Tim Duncan's impact that season's post season was about as good as Kevin Love's during his time in Minnesota. "Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs. KG Playoff career averages: 18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg TD Playoff career averages: 21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg" There is a reason I removed the latter portion of KG's career. KG's game is built on Athleticism. Nobody here is arguing that Tim Duncan had a worse career than KG, or that KG has more longevity in his game than Tim Duncan. I'm talking about Prime vs Prime, who was a better individual player. KG's Post season stats in his prime years 99-08 22.3 ppg / 12.7 rpg / 4.5 apg / 1.4 spg / 1.6 bpg Tim Duncan's Post season stats during the same years: 23.4 ppg / 12.7 rpg / 3.5 apg / .7 spg / 2.4 bpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, I'm not saying that KG had a better career than KG. But only a fool would compare rings in a team sport. 1 for 1, KG was a better individual player than Duncan. Would KG have won 5 rings in SaS? Probably not, his personality does not fit with the great spurs organization and their philosophy. Would Tim Duncan have been able to carry the 04 wolves to the Conference finals? Not a chance in hell.

+Brandon Van People love to bring up career averages like he didnt sacrifice his stats in Boston

+SixtySixNation You're living in a fantasy world. The only time Garnett was ever better than Duncan was his MVP season. That's it. Duncan was always the better player.

Rob G Given that I brought evidence, and you just made a claim with no evidence. I think we know who is right here.

And you're brain damaged

Séamus Kelly Lmfaoo, I commented that 5 years ago and you wanted to call me brain damaged, thanks bro

@J B Its just my way of saying that you're wrong

Well that's your opinion and I accept it.But like I said I believe rings do not make players great..And no..Tim is not a better defender than KG..How can you say that?They have exactly the same height and they do exactly the same job in the paint..Plus KG can play excellent perimeter defence..I think that KG in his prime is a lot better than Tim but if someone compares them today in 2013-2014 KG looks very rusty and old but Duncan looks fresh and can still provide for the team.In terms of overall presence in the NBA Tim wins easily but in terms of basketball IQ, physical qualifications and dominance I choose the Big Ticket..I would love to hear the contradiction from you

I really like how this conversation turns out..It's like I'm in a forum or something..Well Duncan was amazing in the '03 playoffs and I can't argue that.Yes he made it to the playoffs more times than KG (I think Tim is on the top 10 players in playoff time in general)..Yes Tim has 4 rings while KG just one..But we have to think of how unlucky Kevin was..Remember Malik Sealy?How unfortunate could that be for Malik at first and for Garnett also..This death crushed his inner strength, messed up his mentality in an era which KG and Sealy where like brothers..Remember Stephon Marbury and the way he left KG alone in the Wolves in 99?I believe with Marbury and Garnett the Wolves had a chance to the finals..I also believe that Manu and Parker where bound to become great players I don't think Duncan made them..So comparing the teammates of both players in certain eras I think Kevin was very unlucky in his prime not having a strong player both mentally and physically to help him.. :)

well I haven't given it too much thought..But I don't think I would rank Duncan higher than Bryant..I don't know it just doesn't seem right..And I would propably go like:MJ,Kareem,Bill Russel,Bird,Olajuwon,Magic,Oscar Robertson,Isiah Thomas,Karl Malone,Scottie Pippen and then Duncan (because of the titles and the overall presence in the NBA)otherwise Let's don't forget Dirk,Dr J and Shaq either..Don't comment about arl Malone's position in my list..He was playing basketball in MJ's era..That's a curse :)

Well I agree for Pippen.He propably should not be on the list but I will say it again that in MJs era everything is complicated :P ..But you are right about that.But I still believe that Kobe is a greater player than Tim..Not a better personality, although you should know that in practice sessions and in the locker room Duncan is like a soldier and not the most fun guy around..He takes no jokes and has a military-kind-of-theory for his game..He's waay to professional..Dunno sounds bad for me.As far as it concerns Kobe, I never liked the guy but he IS Kobe bryant..5 rings, 4 time NBA All-Star game MVP, 2 time NBA scoring champion, 2 time NBA Finals MVP, 15 time all star..I think he deserves to be higher than Tim despite the fact that he is an ass like you said..I totally agree with you about Pippen..Let's erase him from the list (I just got emotional because I liked him back in the day)MJ and Scottie, well you know....

I watched recently NBA open court and Charels Barkley, Kerr and MacGrady all said that Tim Duncan is without any doubt the best PF of all time, well I suppose thye know what they say.

Duncan won a shorten season championship *asterisk*

KG won a super team chip *

Duncan sorrounds many talented player..

Also, versatility-wise, Garnett worked better as a ball-handler, perimeter shooter, and perimeter defender but I could go the other way and say Duncan had versatility with a good inside-out game since he had that nice bank shot to compliment his post scoring, along with either defending the C or PF spot except with less range as a defender but like I said, low-post defense trumps all. Passing-wise and rebounding-wise, they were the same.

Mahad Mohamed Im a Duncan fan and I appreciate your honesty. Garnett is great but what Timmy has won with 4 different teams

Mahad Mohamed Duncan is Number 3 on all time playoff win shares while KG isn’t even in top 20 and TD is in the top 10 in rebounds, points, and blocks in the playoffs beating KG in every category and TD was more effective than KG at the end of both there careers TD was still good for 10 points while KG was barely scoring above 5 and both were good on defense but TD made All Defensive team more times anyway.

If you put KG on the Spurs with Pop and the same supporting cast, he would have 5 rings too

I think you may have overlooked one thing that could have made the difference in KG's career if he had been on Duncan's Teams...The Coach KG out of High school probable would have been ready to soak up what ever knowledge Popovich was teaching! I believe KG was the better Athlete, a legendary coach early in his career fresh out of high school might have made a huge difference! Also playing along side David Robinson early in his career as you mention already! Practicing against David Robinson everyday might have made him a much better low post defender and gave him a more polished game in the post offensively!

Yes he can lol

it would be one hell of a matchup...i see garnett's intensity against lebron...so it is strongly possible.

gerizzyYMcrew Their head to head match stats were pretty much the same.. Btw Timmy won a good amount of those games 32-19

Ed Tidor Tim usually had a better team though

oreoking360 lol that dude gerizzyYMcrew delete his comment so you didnt see what he typed.

maybe because nobody wanted to draft timmy out of highschool

Adam Brunmeier huh, what do you mean? Timmy got a scholarship to wake forest. KG wanted to go to college but he wasn't able to pass the ACT that would let him play bball in college.

you forget to say how the spur did a better job of maintaining talent around timmy then t wolves did for kg I agree tim is 1 and kg 2 but by a far less margin kg prime years were wasted and when the t wolves final got him a little help in cassel and spree he took the team to the western conference finals playing all 5 postions in the playoffs to deal with injuries etc..

***** Well, then Duncan really is a C, Gary Payton is a SG and Barkley is a SF...

Clark you forget to mention the fact that TD robbed KG of an MVP for the 2002-2003 season.

Rovic Vi How do you figure? Statistically they are pretty similar, KG averaged more rebounds/assists and steals but again less points and blocks, whilst playing slightly more minutes and winning I think 10 less games if memory servers correctly. How can you be the MVP of the league with the 5th best record? He deserved it 100% in 03/04, that year is better than any-one Duncan year, but Duncan deserved both, he also won which proved it.

KG IS BETTER!!! In their prime KG was WAY more talented than TD.. TD Also had Arguably the BEST COACH in NBA history TD had a basic game nothing flashy got the job done I'll admit.. KG led the league in rebounding FOUR YEARS IN A ROW (ONLY RODMAN 7 AND KARL MALONE 5 DID IT MORE) - TD never led the league in anything (well maybe championships) KG IS SECOND ALL TIME IN REBOUNDS KG is a better FT% shooter (+10% for his career)and then these: - Only player in NBA history to reach at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks in his career - Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons - Third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season - Fourth player in NBA history to win Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year during his career

you must have missed kg in his prime, cause he was a beast and more versatile than duncan...so overall yea td obviously is producing better numbers at this point of their career but back then kg had a slight edge over every pf...of the league he was a smooth beast

cariocabassa Did I say anything about one players prime vs another? I'm talking about a full career, body of work, which players overall package was the best. That means your prime, your later years, your awards, moves, stats, accolades, EVERYTHING. And no, I did not miss KG in his prime, his years with the wolves were amazing, and it's simply a shame they could never put the right pieces around him. If anything, he was too loyal and should have left for greener pastures earlier than he did. Maybe he leaves 2 years earlier and wins 3 rings instead of 1, and we could be talking about him in the conversation of the best ever.

How would you play KG? As a stretch 4, or pick and roll type big? I don't know what other style he could've played tbh. He was a really unique player though. I wouldn't know WTF to do with him either.

***** Well you could switch him up as needed, but I would have played him at small forward as a total match-up headache for opposing teams and run more plays for him as a score-first option. I'd have also made him primarily a roaming perimeter defender a la Andrei Kirilenko, but have him lock in on his man if defending a good scorer. Garnett could have and probably should have been regularly top 3 in scoring. It's also wild to me that he wasn't utilized to get more roving blocks and steals.

TheRiggedBA His contract screwed thw T Wolves. He signed for a stupid amount before the 98-99 lockout. Acutally pissed off Marbury that he was making significantly less. Then they changed the rules for what rookies could make coming out of their first contract. Long story short they were not able to put the right pieces around Garnett consistently.

***** He also guarded Wizards Mike and held his own against him, this was the Mike before knee injury so it still meant something to guard him. I can't think of any 7 footer who could hold his own consistently guarding an elite perimeter player throughout a game. And then you add his team defensive impact with Boston and his shot-blocking/rebounding and being able to lead a team in 5/5 categories for a whole season - doing it all on both ends. Top 10 defensive player ever easy Wolves = 4-21 (0.160 win%) without KG during his first stretch in MIN

Kobe Not Top 100 KG had poor teams in MIN but he didnt even get out the first round once except for 2004, and that's when the Wolves added Latrell Sprewell who almost outplayed Kobe in the 2004 WCF *2004 WCF* Kobe 24.3 - 4.0 - 5.5 - 1.5 - 0.3 on 41% Sprewell 20.8 - 4.0 - 5.0 - 1.5 - 0.0 on 41% plus they added Sam Cassell to the 2004 team When Duncan was injured in 2000, the defending champion Spurs lost in the first round with home court to the Suns and Jason Kidd only played 1 game for the Suns in that series When KG was injured in 2009, the Celtics made the 2nd round without him and took the EC champ Magic to 7 games without him KG had a better supporting cast on the Celtics and still only got 1 ring with them, and he was playing in the weak East Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 9 playoff series Garnett = led his team in 4/5 categories in 4 playoff series Duncan = led his team in 5/5 categories in the 2001 WCF (only PF to do this in a playoff series) Garnett = never led his team in 5/5 categories in a playoff series Duncan = led his team in 5/5 categories in 2001 WCF Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2003 WCF Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2008 WCF Garnett = never led his team in 4/5 categories in a WCF or ECF Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2003 Finals Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2007 Finals Garnett = never led his team in 4/5 categories in an NBA Finals Duncan does much more for his team than KG. PS. Shaq = never led his team in 4/5 categories in any playoff series, in any round, ever

Just because Duncan didn't act like Garnett does not mean Kevin played with more heart or passion. Some players, like Duncan, keep their intensity in check, and only display it at certain times. Not on every play because it is not necessary.

don't confuse heart with attitude. Look how much heart TD has shown over the years.

Yeah but Garnett was a garbage teammate. Even old teammates said that. It's not Tim Duncan's fault he played with other greats to split stats with. The thing is, Duncan has been successful with different supporting casts for years and years, ever single consecutive year to be exact. Garnett was given teammates here and there as well, but never helped them be successful like Tim Duncan did for his. Some of his old teammates who were actually pretty good talked about this. Terrell Brandon, Sczerbiak, Troy Hudson, Rasho Nesterovic, even Chauncy Billups. They all talked about how he would just act like a selfish kid through stretches of a season, which most players out of high school tend to do. And we all know what teams Nesterovic and Billups went to, and the success they had with them. Nesterovic was asked which power forward he thought was better, and he didn't hesitate to say Tim Duncan. Chauncy Billups talked about the night and day difference, and his excitement to be in a team that could use his skills. It's not like Garnett wasn't given the chances Tim Duncan was given, it's that he didn't utilize his team to the best of their abilities. The problem with Timmy is that he was an obsessed winner, while Garnett was just an obsessed individual.

Even if KG played with Popovich instead of Duncan, Spurs would not become a greater team. TD created systems, but KG couldn't. No team could rely on KG 's offense skill. TD got double team by his own lowpost offense skill and made his teammate open. And, Karl Malone never lead rebounding. You mean Moses Malone?

You mean when Duncan won the championship and Garnett was at home watching?

Ry Bur Duncan had the better team

Really? Look up Sprewell's career stats compared to Ginobili's. Look up Cassell's compared to Parker's. Not to mention guys like Wally Sczcerbiak who made the all-star team. Garnett just wasn't ever on the same level as Duncan, period.

Ry Bur Well, then look at their coaches, lol Individually, KG have a slight advantage over Duncan, that's my point. Duncan obviously has a better career. Prime KG is a bit more taller and has the overall athleticism, rebound, defense and range advantage compared to Duncan, Tim is superior in everything else. A 1x1 matchup, forget the team, would be very close. Not only KG but Malone as well are better individual players than Duncan in my opinion. But individuality means nothing in the NBA.

No, Garnett is garbage on offense compared to Duncan and has to have a point guard set him up for his buckets. Duncan was a dominant low post player earlier in his career and now is a great jump shooter for a big man. Rasho Nesterovic played with both in their primes and didn't hesitate when he was asked who the better player was; Duncan.

+cem ertugrul no way no how....that spot belongs to KARL MALONE!! altho KG and TD are still great players...but they are not better then karl malone...for me all time bets 3 PF where, karl malone, (here i would put denis rodman just because he was anomaly who could shut down anyone in any position at any time of nba history) then perhaps kevin mchale and tim duncan

+cem ertugrul Na Tim Duncan was better. Duncan carried his team to a Championship in 2003 without another All-Star on the roster. Won MVP that year too.

cem ertugrul you're telling me he's better than Prime Tim Duncan, Prime Malone, and Prime Dirk!

hey man I did a video where I ask fans like yourself who they think was better check it out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kDvO5Hu6D1Q.html

Prime Time KG was hiding in Playoff......

Considering they absolutely hate each other personally, I doubt it.

+noobhealz402 Duncan has also had the virtue of being very lucky. (Which he has admitted himself) Me personally, I think he's the luckiest superstar in sports history. He was never in a KG, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins situation. Being on good teams your whole career get to relax more, mentally and physically during the season. It's helped Duncan last longer. While KG is the complete opposite...His body was destroyed, putting it all on the line every single game. No rest, all grind. I think no one on earth can deny...In their primes...it's not even a question who was better.

+noobhealz402 "In their primes, KG was better." LOL that's probably the most ignorant comment ever.

+noobhealz402 Disagree. Duncan was literally unguardable in his prime. And he's always been the better shot-blocker. Both were great players, but Duncan was slightly better imo. Plus Duncan carried his team to a title in '03 without another All-Star on the roster. Dirk in '11 and Hakeem in '94-'95 are the only other 2 players to do that in the last 30 years.

+Richie A so if someone speaks out their opinion that you dont agree its ignorant? Now that is ignorant

No, I disagree. They still had to content with the West. Lakers and Spurs would have a lot to do with them not winning titles. Also, you can't discard that they always had a hard time beating the Heat, that they finally went to plan B. Disbanded the team. Your argument has been proven wrong by the same team you are making a case for, the Celtics.

If Manu and Parker played with Garnett, neither one of them would be mentioned as Hall of Famers. Basketball is about role playing, letting everyone contribute. Duncan can shoot jump shots just like KG but that is not his role. He is an inside player letting Manu and Parker play the perimeter. KG wants to do it all. Look at great teams, they have clear defined roles for their players, it is not a coincidence. If you play with Duncan when he was young you knew you would get open look jump shots when he was on the blocks.The same thing with the Lakers with Shaq and Gasol you could depend on them on the blocks opening things up for their teammates. It is reason why San Antonio and the Lakers have won the most championships in the last 15 years. If you play with KG and Dirk where are you playing off them when they are shooting jumps shots too. As great of players as KG and Dirk have been through the years they each only have one championship. Both of them had strong inside presence from role players on teams when they did win. If they both were strong inside players they would have won multiple championships. Although they are both seven footers in their heyday they could have both been 6'6". They dominated with their skills not their size. A big man should dominate with his size and skills, he has plenty of other talented teammates who aren't seven feet. You cannot coach size, use that talent under the basket then every team has to double and triple you opening it up for your teammates. Even in modern day basketball all these big men that shoot threes do not make their teams that great if they do not have an strong inside presence.

"His team never relied on him completely"... 2003 called...

Nobody can win a championship by themselves but Tim Duncan did

The Spurs never relied on Duncan, right there you killed your argument.

your icon is nba live 08 player

Juli Love Heh, it's actually from NBA Live '05. But yeah, congratulations to Duncan for grabbing his 15,000th rebound last week! :)

yea except for his whole team sucked besides him for so many years

No, wrong. Duncan arrived to the Spurs in '97, since then the Spurs have reached the playoffs every single year. You know in order to do that you need the support of your team.; something that Garnett didn't have. I think you are confusing the Spurs with the Timberwolves and Duncan with Garnett.

yea my bad i actually meant garnett here

flipazn011 Got it.

Piesho Nais Every Year? Damn Duncan is amazing, I can't wait to see his retirement so they can show all them highlights :)

dumb fan

Please just stop talking kid.

KD was a powerfoward his hole carrier. TD have played PF and C olmost 50%/50%, Duncan is better close to the rim and KD is better outside.

Anibal Salaris Kevin Durant?

Anibal Salaris KD is still playing first off, and second off he is a small forward

Xun Wang Dirk Nowitzki does not belong in the "greatest PF of all time" convo. I dont understand why people keep inserting him in it. The man could not play defense....

Fro Buntu I didn't imply Dirk is the greatest PF, but for all the things he can do on the offense, he definitely deserves a mention. It's not like every superstar needs to play good D. Magic and Bird were legendary players but average defenders too.

Larry Bird was a great defender.... How else do you get 1 steal shy of a quadruple double?

Xun Wang Hakeem is more versatile than all of them

Blueblur22 Wouldn't say horrible, but yeah.

STFU pau and kevin garnett r u high? KG in his prime is a top 10 all time PF avergin 22 13 and 2 like 7 years in a row pau never even sniffed those stats stop with that nonsense. KG and tim duncan is a comparison that makes a ton of sense.

Agreed about gasol is nonsence... KG much better... but still im cannot see a way, how KG can be compared with TD... Nervous man VS calm strategy man... common.. :)

Pau Gasol is only a 4 time all star.

@@juwelzbluntz and 2? Man... Even the people defending KG underestimate him. Make that 5 assists bro

+Black Squerryl agreed

+Disappointed Knick's Fan be*

Kevin Garnett was an all-star 2 years ago. He's going into his 20th season. It would be not human if he didn't decline. Tim Duncan never averaged 4 Assists for a season EVER. While KG did it for 10 straight seasons...KG and Kareem Abdul-Jabber are the only big man in the top 50 for assists All-Time. So to say Duncan is a better passer is inaccurate. And a better teammate?? Lol...Thats funny.

Kushton Slater he is a better teammates and has more rings than garnet.

+steve johnson Not even second to Timmy. 3rd behind Dirk in his era lol

+Mo TV Dirk in 2011>>KG ever. And offense is more important than defense in the NBA

lol @ end of discussion. KG had a better all around game, but Dirk was a much better scorer. KG never carried a team to a championship like Dirk did in 2011 and almost did in 2006. KG wasnt even the 1st option on those Celtic teams. Dirk never had a legit star around him and made the Mavs a contender for an entire decade. KG made the T-Wolves a contender 1 year. In the playoffs, which matter the most... Dirk: 25.3--10.0--2.5 KG: 18.7--10.7--3.3 "End of discussion"

+Mo TV You need to read my post again. Those are what they both average in the playoffs. And are you really gonna act like Dirk had that much more talent around him than KG. The best player Dirk ever played with was Nash who left before he entered his prime cause Cuban didn't wanna pay him. Despite that, Dirk took the Mavs to at least the 2nd round 7 times, to the Finals twice and won a ring. KG took the Twolves out of the 1st round once and they never got to the Finals.

Mo TV In the late 90's, he had Stephon Marbury (tho I was never a fan) and Tom Gugliotta who was an all-star. When Marbury left, he had Terrell Brandon. He had Wally/ Latrell Sprewell/Cassell and couldnt get the job done in 04 and missed the playoffs all together in 05. Stop acting like he played with nothing but bums in Minnesota. Dirk led the most efficient offense in the league from 2000 to 2007. Bottom line is, Dirk led the Mavs to multiple deep runs in the playoffs and a ring which is far more than KG did in Minnesota. Even individually, Dirk was better than Garnett when it mattered most which is the postseason.

Garnett never won 5 championships

i guess Robert Horry is better than Tim Duncan then

chukk mane Are you really going to play that game? Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs. KG Playoff career averages: 18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg TD Playoff career averages: 21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002. Either way, the stats KG put up only once resulted in a championship, whereas Tim put up BETTER stats and won MORE rings, with a legitimate chance to get a 6th this year. KG's time as an elite player in the league lasted about 11 years from 1997 to 2008 while Timmy has been for his entire 17 year career. There's no doubt KG was an absolute force and a top 5 all time PF, but he cannot touch the GOAT PF.

Wait what? Did u say the Spurs has a chance this year lmfaooooo, Timmy D Hasn't been a dominant force since 2010 I must admit he steps up in the playoffs though, but don't over due it he's a solid all star he hasn't been a superstar since 2010 probably before that. Same as KG 2010 was his last "all star" like year. And don't bring rings into question Duncan obviously has had way better teams than KG his whole career even when he was in Boston. Put KG in a Spurs uniform and he'll win 10 rings GOAT. The real 21 FOH Kg far better defender than Timmy D.

In their primes Duncan was better and in old age Duncan is better. But what do you know you're just another nay sayer who say the Spurs don't stand a chance this year. After all these years and they still never learn.

if you have a better teammates then its easier for you to produce those stats, but if you have a shitty team most of your career then you have to do most of the work yourself meaning you are more prone to mistakes.

TheHarslord I disagree. Shitty team means you take more shots and score more points because you have the green light to do whatever.

cflo1386 In their primes they were even to me, Duncan has obviously aged better

Do not know what point you are trying to make with 'had it the easiest', but regardless of coach and teammates Tim still had to step on the court and play the game. Tim has also adapted his game to the competition and his free throw percentage has improved. Another false argument I hear is that Manu and Tony are only used to disprove Tim's success yet when they talk about the best point guard and 'sixth man' their names are never mentioned.

Who was Greg Popovich before 1999. How many Finals had San Antonio been in with David Robinson in between 1988 and 1998. You have to stop rewriting history. Duncan is the main catalyst behind the Spurs, just like Russell was for the Celtics.

The reason Manu and Tony are hall of Famers is the same reason all those players on the Celtics were Hall of Famers. When Duncan had those foot problems San Antonio was going no place.

***** I have no clue what I am saying when Kobe wasn't even drafted to the Lakers. Not to mention, Magic Johnson had to struggle a little bit before he really did anything. Tim Duncan has never missed the playoffs. And Pop was a coach who as mentored by the Larry Brown. One of the greatest coaches of all time. And Kobe had to struggle with that crap team in 06-07 which Tim Duncan never had to do because Tim Duncan never played with scrubs like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker. As for Jordan I'm not sure if you remember his time before the 90's or even with the Wizards. And Bird didn't have a good team for nearly as long as Tim Duncan did.

His legendary coach was so great that, previous to riding Duncan's coattails, he was responsible for an awesome 2-22 record as a college head coach.

Nah, Billups was still good when he was on Denver and NY. But he started to find himself as a player in MIN