2000 Roush Stage 3 Mustang | Retro Review 

@@dr.jillalicecooper2587 exactly. It's just not the same anymore..

I don't know what you guys are talking about. This video was made last week. /s

I agree LTJohn It's like a trip to the past. Nevermind these kids comments. 😂

@@christophejergales7852 you are aware that this was a edited clip from an old episode over 20 years ago right?? It's not new by any means but as much better than the motorweek that we see now..

@@LTJohn Holy crap. This might be the biggest "whoosh" I have ever witnessed.

Shouldn't be hard these Mustangs were extremely forgettable. Except the Terminator and Cobra R.

@@chesspiece81Mach 1s are pretty nice as well

@@NismoDJ20 Yep. They had the same 4v DOHC 4.6L V-8 engine as the 99' Cobras. Power outputwas 305 iirc. A buddy of mine in high school had a father who owned the local Ford/Mercury/Lincoln dealership and he drove a new car off the lot every day. We tore around in brand new Mach 1's relatively often. I remember his favorite being the Mercury Marauder that had tjw same 4v 4.6L; at the time I didn't understand how cool those things actually were. These too.

@@chesspiece81 don't forget the Saleens as well. S281 SC and the S351 as well. (SN95)

@@georgecarlin2097 yeah man, a guy down the street as a marauder. It needs a ton of trim work done and new seats, but it's only at like 40k Mike's. Told him I'd help him if he wanted to restore. The same issue I had with my old 03 cobra. All the exterior plastic trim and window seals were shot. Easy fix though.

The DOHC 4.6 in the mk8 pre-dated the Cobra.

@@bandwagon240 it was a cool car. I don't know what to do did for a living but he always had bad ass cars. I remember he had a bullet mustang I think it was an 08 that had a Whipple supercharger on it.

@@robertstone9988 maybe he was a boss at a retail store, I remember in 2013 my manager had a modern GTO with the 6.0

@@TheBikemaster94 I don't know we didn't really talk to him much my mom didn't like him cuz he do burnouts at the end to cul-de-sac and would have all his friends over drinking in the driveway a loud ass Harley-Davidsons every single weekend, But that's the reason why me and all my friends loved him lol.

@@dr.jillalicecooper2587 my bad it's voice to text I should proofread

Lol

I agree. New edge for life. I've had an 04 GT since new with about 17000 on it. Love my car

@@Ryan-yj6nb They are a good looking car!

@@Ryan-yj6nb 17k miles? It’s barely breaking in. Mine has 152k miles and drivers great.

Go out and drive it! 14k miles is way too low!!!

@@lanegunnell1218 i do! I bought it with 11,400 2 years ago. In the summer i drive it as much as I can

I had to scroll too far for this! Lmao

Damn good eye you have. I had to go watch it again to see for myself. Lol.

Same here! I saw one at the dealer back then, and the price was staggering even back then!! Now they’re even way more expensive if you can find one for sale! And in mint condition!

yes but whatever how much you put in those, its deceiving compared to other cars, its weak, engines are too heavy, too much moving parts, car feels like a sedan more than a pure sport car, only subaru makes cars that are worst overall, the only reason why people still buy those its because they did not had the money to buy when they were young and mustangs were cool back then, so they live their old dream when turning 60, and its the cheapest sport car available, like a mcdo cheeseburger will always sell even if it taste like cardboard...

@@retrocompaq5212 clearly you don’t have a clue about mustangs then

Imagine being so spoiled. I would kill for a car like that.

Thats because the stock Ford parts are so bad they are thankful the aftermarlet makes better ones that dont fail - save them alot of warranty claims for failed ford parts.

@@mariovalla3909 he doesn't know about Subaru either.

And now you dream about not owning it lol. $5 gas and insurance premiums are no fun.

The interior is what kills it for me. It's utter garbage. Outside? Beautiful

I couldn’t afford a stage 3 roush in 2013 but I bought a base model GT then added a phase 1 supercharger with roush tune. I also drive it everyday.

Get your eyes checked LMAO

Every New Edge Mustang, including the 03-04 Cobra, had disappointing stock performance.

Yeah. Weren't bone stock LS1 Camaro/Trans Am dipping into the 12's? I remember even a Ford magazine testing one and they admitted it went 12's.

@@watchandjewelryloft4713 GMHTP tested a '99 into the 12.80s. Others have claimed 12.60s with bone stock down to the tires '01-'02 cars. By far the most impressive pony cars of their day.

All you guys make great points. That's true. I think Motor Trend listed the '99 Mustang GT at 5.2 0-60- but I think this was either under very favorable conditions and/or bribe incentive. The latter being more likely. Those were 260 HP [factory claim]. Common for those to dyno at 212 to the wheels. With another 80+ horsepower only .1 faster 0-60? I think 350 HP at the crank on a new edge would do 1/4 mile in 13.2 or better with a good driver.

It's called they can't drive it trapped 104. Da was prob shit I've seen stock 01 mustang gt go 13.7 at 101stock with a good driver in good air.

They have went as fast as 13.7 at 101 bone stock. Wasn't the fastest car in its category but it certainly wasn't slow either. Mustangs have always been about the aftermarket and still are. It's not about what they do stock its what they can so with minor tweaks.

Yeah. The LS1 Fbodies were quite ahead of these. I had a 2005 Pontiac GTO Comp G and at the drag strip, these GT's couldn't keep up especially with a novice driver. Sad.

I’ll still take a mustang over any government motors car.

@@angelgjr1999 Mustangs look nice, but they're a casket on wheels. Good luck!

@@tmo2798 Not as bad as vipers lol.

@@angelgjr1999 Not as 'bad-ass' either. RU-vid is full of Mustang drivers spinning out and hitting people and hurting themselves as well. I like the 87-93 Mustang but if I ever bought one that suspension would need an overhaul. Those Ford factory suspensions are 'sus'.

Prob 0 unless it found its way into the hand of a noob like you then it might have crashed. Come up with something new follower.

Your v6 would get gapped bythis car in the real world with a good driver behind the wheel. Can't compare different tracks diff days diff drivers.

​@@midnight347 probably. It's still crazy how far performance has come.

Exactly

One of the best thing about watching these retro reviews is reading the comments from people blinded by nostalgia

@@RallyLancer95 People should be blindly nostalgic if the company continues to produce trash citing environmental issues....Mach e, Lightning, Maverick, Mustang ecoboost and so on.

@@amitmitra6487 ; Environmental issues have hamstrung the auto industry since the late 1960's. Personally, I think the mach e should've been called the Pinto.

@@cobracharmer6178 Agreed.... Lightning should have been named something else.

For sure! I think the Saleen mustang as well.

@@marvi1515 Yep! Saleen had the S281 (4.6L V-8 w/ or w/I supercharger) and the S351 (5.8L V-8 w/ or w/o supercharger) even earlier than 2000.

From ford factory, yes the 03 cobra. From non factory ford, saleen in 94 in sn95s. They were doing it even further back in fox bodies.

You could get a 66 GT350 with a Paxton supercharger. The 03 Cobra was the first from the factory Ford Mustang with a blower. Saleen, Roush, Shelby, etc...are aftermarket. Still great cars though.

Roush isn't factory its modified by roush after it leaves factory like Saleen. THE terminator was built by Ford at the Ford factory and it was the first done that way with a blower. There were blower cars from tuners long before this. Saleen and Shelby had done it.

Well the base Z28 in 2000 was probably faster than this stage 3 car, so there’s that

​@CPAJayhawk maybe barely wouldn't be by much. There are better mustangs to compare like 03 Mach even the 96-01 cobras went mid 13s at 105 give or take.

@@CPAJayhawkThe actual numbers for a roush stage 3 are 0-60 in 4.3 and 12.9 in the quarter.. A catfish is not swimming that fast..

Oh yeah new edge mustangs didn’t have traction control. You had to get the “premium edition” to get it. Luckily mine has it.

Cobras had a 4 valve DOHC not this engine. Both 4.6 but different engines

He didn't have a Cobra with that motor. Maybe a Mustang with Cobra badges or you're mistaken on the engine.

@@chesspiece81 actual cobras only came with the 4 valve not the 2 valve

@@byronhamilton6061 I know, that's why I made the comment I did. So if he had that motor it wasn't a real Cobra, a Mustang with Cobra badges and his friend claimed it was a real Cobra. Or he's wrong on the motor.

@@chesspiece81 oh yeah I gotcha haha

Sempre sensacional 😃😃👍

Although going up steep hills and wind filled expressways doesn't help. Those smaller engines particularly anything under 2.5 cylinders are horrible. You need a v6 for sure nowadays

It's just bad driving bad weather prob. Traction limited. In the real world I'd gaurantee this car will pull a 3v stock for stock...

There’s a supercharger buried in the middle of that 4.6 2 valve, it was a roush/ford racing design similar to the previous SVO supercharger offered in the ford parts catalog for the previous sn95

It is a supercharger looks like the Ford Racing the one from the parts catalog which is not that great

@@turbojetpowered8299 looks like the one without the intercooler

I think they just reused stock footage for under the hood.

The blower and intake is built together, ita kinda under the intake. Look at the pulley below the alternator pulley, thats the supercharger pulley 😉

@@banneddamn nice 👍👍

It’s a hidden supercharger so the cops won’t bug you. 👍

​@@angelgjr1999wtf. Cops don't bother you for a supercharger. Lol

@@turbojetpowered8299 thanks for the insight. Have a 99 Camaro SS 6 spd convertible (driving in my profile pic). Runs consistent low 13's with 100k on the clock. Love that LS1!

I believe you mean an 03 Cobra. As there was not 02 Cobra in the States.

Those V6's were trash. Don't waste money.

@@greatestnitemare6626 : One can always swap in better engine and other needed parts to make it even better than ever before, let's say for example the V8 from a Crown Vic. that has the back end damaged bad, but all is ok at the front end.

@@theroyalcrownedtiger2946 Then get a GT. It's the better platformer. Also I'd take the V8 from the Crown Vic, which is exactly what is in the GT over those garbage V6's. Those V6's were trash. You can swap in all you want, but in the end you bought a V6 for some reason, even though it sucks. They were lousy cars and their gas mileage sucks. The only reason you should EVER get a V6 Mustang is if you're young and can't afford the more expensive V8 Mustang insurance, which is understandable. But if you're 25+ why the f would you buy those garbage V6 Mustangs? They were terrible platformers on an outdated ass essex 3.8 engine

@@greatestnitemare6626 : Those generation Mustangs are hard to find today, so I would consider getting the V6 and doing the swap. And if the V6 is as bad as you have claimed, then it should not be worth very much due to that bad rep, for the V6.

@@theroyalcrownedtiger2946 No they’re not. They are a dime a dozen Go for it but you’re just pissing away money

No not in 2000. 2004 was when the exceptional cobra R was put out. The 2004 "terminator" had a 4 valve 4.6 with blower. Was excellent car. In 2000, although same body style (new edge) the cobra that year I believe only came with a 4.6 that was a 4 valve. Correct me if I'm wrong but I ebelive that was it. Which was a modest 300ish hp. Those cars struggled to get under 6 second 0 to 60. This stage 3 was a pretty different animal

@@turbojetpowered8299 Keep in mind this was a pre-production mule. In '01 Car and Driver tested a Roush Stage 3 and got a 4.3 0-60 and a 12.9s quarter @ 111mph which are quicker and just as quick as an '03 Cobra tested back in the day. Motorweek drag strip numbers usually fall a few tenths behind MT and C&D. Also power numbers were finalized at 360hp 375tq for production.

@@turbojetpowered8299 this exactly... C&D ran 12.7 @ 111mph with the Stage 3 and iirc the Mach 1 tapped 12.9 or 13.0 in stock form with 107 traps. The 350 number is probably pretty close to accurate given the weight.

Automatics are for old women

@@charlieb308 Sounds like an old woman in an automatic walked you.

Yes the automatic is faster but no it isn't more fun to drive. Nothing beats rowing gears.

I have had 5 4th Gen F bodies all V8 cars, four were 6 speed and one was an auto because a manual bright blue metallic manual is impossible to find. I did find one in Indiana, I tried to buy it but someone beat me to it before I could fly up to buy it. I am going to swap my RCSB Silverado over from a Procharged Gen 3 LS and 4L80E to a Gen 4 LSA and Tremec 6060 from a ZL1/CTS-V. But these new 8 and 10 speed automatics and DCTs are faster and more consistent but the manuals will always be more fun.

@@clutchthepearls3062 automatic car drives you, manual-you drive the car. It’s way more fun to shift and control car than automatic. I guess if I was an 18 year old trumping comments on RU-vid and I’ve never driven a manual transmission car then I would like automatics, that way I could take photos and text messages girls when I’m driving.

and people think its still not enough

Technology moves forward. It’s been 23 years since this car came out. I would expect higher numbers

To add, the Coyote is a descendant of the Modular V8 used in this 2000 Roush Mustang. The technology to control detonation is the key to today's engines being able to run compression ratios similar to the muscle car hey day of the late 60s. All aluminum construction, multi-valves, highly efficient combustion chambers, variable valve timing, efficient production tolerances, etc.. Remember too, a modern engine makes those big numbers at "peak" efficiency(ideal weather conditions, highest octane fuel available, etc.). Just like in the old days when getting your muscle car "super-tuned" to extract every HP available, modern cars need their ECUs to have access to ideal conditions to perform the same way.

@@05gtdriver I have a 2016 Mustang GT. What is your opinion of the Gen2 coyote engine?

@@padistedor From my understanding, the Gen 2 Coyote is basically a 2012-2013 Boss 302 in it's tuning and improvements over the Gen 1 Coyote. The Gen 3 is the Coyote that has larger pistons, a higher compression ratio and other improvements to make it's nearly 50+ HP over the Gen 1 engine. TBH, any Gen Coyote is a pretty sweet engine, loves to rev, gets decent MPG for it's output. Enjoy your 2016!