2015 Subaru Forester 2.5 CVT Transmission Flush

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2015 Subaru Forester 2.5 Limited CVT with 100,000 miles
CVT: TR580
Fluid Deterioration: 22%
Remember to have the engine running when you do your final top-off of fluid at the correct temperature (86F-104F)!
Amsoil CVT Fluid
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12v Oil Pump
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Drain Plug Crush Washer
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OBD Scan Tool (For checking CVT temp)
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ActiveOBD App for Subaru (For checking CVT temp)
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Lubrimatic Fluid Quart Pump
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Blackstone Lab Analysis of Old CVT Fluid:
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@mr.terwilliger5728 5 лет назад

The cvt fluid get pulverized and whipped millions of times within the first 50,000 miles. The oils molecular structure; mainly hydrocarbons, break down over time. Which is why it turns black because the black color is the loose carbon that broke away from the initial hydrocarbon molecule. When the carbon atoms break away from the molecule, at some point the molecule is too small to create the lubricating effect between the metal moving parts and rubbing parts inside the cvt. So, to make that more understandable: The reason why oils lubricate is because their molecules are small enough to slip between very very close spaces, but large enough and strong enough to prevent these spaces from rubbing hard enough to create severe wear and tear. When these molecules break down and get smaller, they now slip in between the spaces but do not prevent the pieces from gliding against eachother like when they were larger. So you MUST change the oil at the beginning of breakdown to insure there is proper lubrication. It really is a fascinating topic. The oils breakdown starts virtually immediately the second you go forward, and it only becomes necessary to change when the amount of smaller molecules defeats the lubricating ability of surviving, fully formed hydrocarbon molecules. In a cvt, this is roughly 25,000 miles. You dont necessarily need to flush the cvt in order to replace all the loose carbon with new hydrocarbon molecules (oil) after you change the fluid out, but you should because of gunk build up, microscopic metal fragments that will wear the cvt more and more, especially if it is the first fluid change because a new cvt breaks in 5x more than it will between 50,000-200,000 miles.

@pf465 4 года назад

I'm convinced. Thank you. If you care about your car and plan on long term ownership, this is very sound information, and guidance.

@mr.terwilliger5728 4 года назад

P F I’m glad and thank you for your reply! 😊

@mr.terwilliger5728 2 года назад

@@TubeBrowser2 I guarantee you they changed that fluid at some point during service intervals

@TubeBrowser2 2 года назад

@@mr.terwilliger5728 I bought it new and never had the CVT serviced. My bad, of course.

@mr.terwilliger5728 2 года назад

@@TubeBrowser2 If you ever brought it in for service intervals with the dealer when it was new they definitely changed it

@TheDanno81 5 лет назад

Great video on a thorough cvt transfusion. I can suggest, when the fluid is done draining. Drop the transmission pan, thoroughly clean the magnet that is located in the dimple on the pan, and clean the pan itself. Replace the filter screen, reseal,and re assemble. Then do your transfusion. That is the only suggestion I have, great video. And Amsoil is always a safe bet in my books, I've run it for years and always will.

@bigdaddymak1439 5 лет назад

The filter in the cvt isn't accessible by removing the pan don't really need to clean the magnet every time

@Beefycheddermelt 4 года назад

It's a cvt. Obviously no pan.

@edsmith4414 3 года назад

@@Beefycheddermelt It does have a pan, but the screen in it is just a screen on the pickup tube....not a filter as such.

@berserkerusmc7613 2 года назад

When flushing a transmission, like in this video, I usually drop the pan and filter after the flush. That way, no contamination on the filter ( screen) and the pan remains clean. Not meaning to criticize, just sharing the way I did my flushes.

@timradke7775 8 месяцев назад

Taking the pan off doesn’t do anything

@jackalninezeronine 2 года назад

I have been working on cars for a while now, and you included everything I needed to know. Even though with transmissions, there is no substitution for having the FSM and being able to read it, your video sped the process up. THANK YOU

@cristianrosca2606 5 лет назад

I have a 2011 impreza automatic and on my year and other year models they came with 2 types of transmissions, one model transmission has a serviceable screw on filter and mine does not have any filter whatsoever besides a screen for large debris, so I've been changing my transmission fluid every 25,000 for assurance since it was new, at these change intervals I will guarantee I will get well over 200k, I have 135k now and showing no signs of wear and it drives just like new, well worth a 1 hour job once a year, I'm also a freak on engine oil change too, 3k on the oil and its changed out no exception no matter what the oil says and I can honestly say my subaru has absolutely no leaks or seeping anywhere.

@thepokerpilotapp 3 года назад

I applaud your freakiness

@fabianbotea8469 2 года назад

I DIY the flush with dropping pan and change the bottom filter with a new one. I encountered a problem with pan screw... two of them was to affected by rust an give up when I tried to unscrew them. I was lucky enough to finish the job with an extractor tool for remain screws. If you have an elevator the old fluid keep going even after the first start of the engine. In this way you can flush out less but old oil in majority. With motor running I suspect you will exit mixed oil so you will have to use a larger quantity for flushing . So....kepp it mind ...if you screws pan is rusty be prepared for extra time and tools. If you make the flash with your car on an elevator you can use the gravity in the first stage of flushing after the first start of the engine. Conect your drain hose to the exit end on transmission directly..... It's the tight one. Left is for oil income and right is for oil out.

@BrianWalsingham 5 лет назад

I am glad there are people on RU-vid like you that make these types of videos. Very enjoyeable content. I think I'll still pay the cash to Subaru to do that process for me though.

@itzjay3876 4 года назад

Brian Walsingham honestly they won’t do all this it’s not necessary if u change ur fluid every 60k they basically just do a drain and fill of about 7 quarts.

@matiasfisher676 3 года назад

instablaster

@BrandonPetrilla 3 месяца назад

Great explanation, only problem is fluid that was used, NEVER USE anything other than OEM Subaru CVTF-2 Fluid in this generation Transmission, should be teal green in color NOT gold.

@TheEskaloFrio 5 лет назад

Crush washer was set wrong. Flat side on the bolt side and round side facing the pan.

@TishaHayes 6 лет назад

That was a really good video. thanks; You should of probably considered dropping the transmission pan and replacing the lower filter (there are two, but you can only get to one without completely taking apart the transmission). Your pumping technique also means that you exchanged out alot of the fluid that was in the torque converter.. nice job.

@johnferguson7235 6 лет назад

I was told that our 2015 Forrester CVT is a sealed unit and no service is needed. The drive belt will wear out and then the unit is exchanged; just like replacing a worn out clutch on a manual transmission. No fluid changes should be necessary unless the vehicle is being used for towing heavy loads at high temperatures.

@max-weber 6 лет назад

Under light usage (mild weather, no traffic, flat terrain, medium distance driving), most people will probably be able to get away with never changing the fluid. The lab test that I had done of my fluid at 100k miles shows that it was moderately degraded (although not 22% degraded like the app was saying). Not to detract from the comparatively well-built CVT Subaru has chosen to put in their vehicles, manufacturers are under pressure to boost numbers (MPG being one of them, which is why manufacturers use CVTs). Service intervals are another instance where manufacturers need to keep the total cost of ownership down, thus boosting their ratings on consumer reports etc. Consumer reports highly regards the Forester, which influenced my decision to purchase this car (as well as the safety record). So while Subaru's official statement is that fluid service of the CVT is not needed, it's prudent to replace the CVT fluid every 100k miles if one plans to own the car for a long time (or 24k miles under severe service).

@elsocio666 3 года назад

Hi Max, if your Subaru reaches the next 100,000 miles on Amsoil fluid you are going to leave many exeptic people speechless.

@looperdup 5 лет назад

if u did install a cvt cooler, a video would be awesome dude!

@MikeFitzmauriceNz 4 года назад

The heat exchanger is the cooler.

@pf465 6 лет назад

I'm so glad Alvin and the chipmunks stopped by to help with stubborn hose removal. I'll have to schedule time with them when I do mine. Great video

@richardmorgan1588 Месяц назад

At least Dave wasn’t there to yell!😉

@Honestandtruth007 2 года назад

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@seanmclaughlin7415 8 месяцев назад

Keep in mind that it is 6.5-7 quarts hot. Transmission fluid expands.

@parsley0120 6 лет назад

Glad to see this video! I have 36k on my ‘14 Crosstrek and was wondering how often I should service the CVT. Changed the diffs at 30k, front looked good but the rear was nasty. Ever since then I’ve been thinking about the CVT. Good to know the fluid in there holds up well!

@8953147 6 лет назад

It seems today's car manufactures have you check the transmission fluid level at a specific temperature instead of a dipstick. Great video bro!!

@infotechsailor 4 года назад

my f150 trans dipstick has 2 level markers, one for cold and one for hot. I wish all manufacturers did that

@wanglee21 10 месяцев назад

What everyone nevers says is you have to have the engine running to have the CVT pump going in order to fill in the CVT while getting it to temp.

@tunedskillsz 5 лет назад

I cleaned my filter with just brake cleaner and hot water, its 90$ for a new one but its just a metal screen mesh inside.

@josedeltejo3821 6 лет назад

Thank you very much, I was very concern that my 2016 did not have a dip stick to check it.I have 33K on my trans (bought car new) and always change all non - engine oil fluids after 5K, 20K, 60k + but the trans seems to be a sealed case. Will have my mechanic work on it and send him this video

@max-weber 6 лет назад

You're welcome!

@jesseewing3846 5 лет назад

Could you do this one liter at a time. For example, turn the car on until 1L comes out, shut it off, add 1L of fluid to the CVT and repeat until the fluid runs clear?

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Yes, thats essentially what was done in the video. You can really only safely flush out a couple liters at a time or else you risk running the pan dry. It might be more difficult to flush at a slower pace, since when the car is turned off the fluid wants to fall back down into the pan.

@Moto_NB 2 года назад

I didn’t see this process when I was working at Subaru dealership they used to just drain the cvt fluid and refill it back up and done This process look more complicated?

@max-weber 2 года назад

That's correct, a regular drain and fill is usually fine, especially if done at regular intervals. This flush will exchange about 90% of the fluid whereas a regular drain and fill will exchange about 40%

@elsocio666 2 года назад

@@max-weber Are you still with the Subaru, Max? What mileage do you already have?

@elsocio666 2 года назад

After an arduous task of gathering information, my conclusion is that it is VERY IMPORTANT to remove the tray and clean the ferrous particles from the magnet, the strainer and the inside of the tray. If this advice is not put into practice, there is a risk that dirt and varnish accumulated for thousands of kilometers will be agitated and transferred with dialysis to other parts of the cvt box such as the valve body or solenoids, causing future problems. Mention that a new cvtf fluid has among its properties a detergent function included in its additives, encouraging the residues to move from place inside the cvt. My cvt box. with 35,000 km it already had waste in these parts; I was right to methodically remove and clean. I used 15 liters (15.85 quarts) with a similar procedure to Max.

@del5629 6 месяцев назад

Subaru Outback 2010 213k bought used…I don’t think cut was ever change….code starting now!

@shouse94 6 лет назад

2 Things: 1. Why did you opt not to drop the pan? Is there a filter in that transmission that needs to be changed? 2. Cambro makes better containers than rubbermaid ;) Very informative though, great job.

@max-weber 6 лет назад

Haha thanks. I didn't drop the pan because it's a liquid gasket and I wanted to avoid having to re-seal it. There's a strainer in the pan that can be cleaned or replaced, but the paper filter is deep inside the CVT and would require complete disassembly of the transmission to replace.

@manuellopez-pm8ib 6 лет назад

I have a 2010 Subaru Legacy the at oil temp is flashing went is running what can be wrong with it

@max-weber 6 лет назад

I would hook up an OBDII reader and see what code you're getting. There's a number of things that could be happening: Bad sensor, pump wearing out, some other kind of glitch with the TCU. That's something I would consider beyond amateur mechanic capability (take it into a transmission shop for diagnosis)

@markmedvedev3135 5 лет назад

In those CVT's, filter is only accessible if you drop the tranny

@JamesAnderson-mr2sg 4 месяца назад

@@manuellopez-pm8ib I had the same issue, multiple codes ,fixed o2 code , then the check engine went out, getting some intermeittany with valve body in Trans, at light is now off

@cs_yt 5 лет назад

Great video, I'm doing it next summer. Question, why not? 1. Drain/refill 2. Put the cooler output in a pan (like you did) and the input to the transmission coming from an elevated container with fresh fluid. The transmission itself would pump in the new fluid and you collect the old until it gets clear. 3. Check and top off.

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Its difficult to tell exactly how the fluid moves within the transmission. I believe there is no suction on the cooler input line, so you would have to hook up a pump anyway and it would be difficult to monitor how much fluid remains in the pan.

@cs_yt 5 лет назад

@@max-weber So, why the pressure goes up when he turns the engine on? You see the clear container filling quicker with the engine on. The electric pump used on the video seems to just refill the transmission. I believe there is an internal pump that circulates the fluid through the cooler, and it has enough pressure to do the job.

@max-weber 5 лет назад

@@cs_yt Yes, the internal pump is pushing out the old fluid, but if the outlet hose is disconnected then the same pump can't push fluid back into the transmission. It draws fluid directly from the pan. It's not a sealed system, so you would have to pump fluid back in using an external pump anyways. Running the pan dry will destroy the transmission which is why I opted to fill directly into the pan from the fill hole (where I could also make sure I was keeping the pan full)

@cs_yt 5 лет назад

@@max-weber I see the problem now. The return from the cooler is pressurized keeping the internal pan filled when the system is sealed, in my suggestion there is no major pressure( just gravity) and the risk of having the transmission running low in fluid. The electrical pump plus the stop and go of the engine guarantees that the transmission won't run dry. I could do a lot of stop and go, but then you want the transmission to run a little to dislodge any gunk. Good discussion. So, I'll do like the video after all. Cheers!

@bygonebob 2 месяца назад

Ok, I will summarize everything based on both your explanations and I will add mine too. I’ve seen a teardown of this transmission TR580 and it has an internal rotary pump. As to where the fluid goes internally, I can only guess. I agree with Max that the pump picks up fluid from the pan and pushes it to the cooler, then upon reaching the return port (input line) on the CVT, the fluid just drops or cascades down like a waterfall back to the drain pan. This movement of the fluid from the cooler back to the CVT is totally dependent on the pressure (pushing effect) being applied by the pump so there is no suction present on the return line just positive pressure. The negative pressure or suction though is at the drain pan. Hence, this explains why Max got some fluid spurting from the exposed return port because there was no suction happening there. Had there been any, no spurting would have occurred. I can relax without this hanging over my head now. Thank you guys. Salute!😊

@Clearanceman2 7 лет назад

Used to be subaru transmissions had a screw on oil filter type trans filter and a dip stick. Guess too many people where working on their own stuff. Stealership not making enough money.

@bigdaddymak1439 5 лет назад

There is a spin on filter to be changed according to the parts catalog

@EvilCerealBoX 5 лет назад

@@bigdaddymak1439 That filter is inside the transmission and requires full disassembly in order to reach it.

@calebjared75 5 лет назад

EvilCerealBoX is it worth disassembling to replace the filter? Why wouldn't we change it?

@EvilCerealBoX 5 лет назад

@@calebjared75 I'd have to reference an MRT video. It explains it better than I can. You have to take the transmission completely out of the car and split the case. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-34hS9691L04.html

@RandomNumber141 5 лет назад

Were those still continually variable transmissions? or were they conventional auto transmissions?

@krupadrum 7 месяцев назад

Super job but christ who wants to go through that 😔 I moved my Forester XT on ( cvt) due to no end of issues and just 59k miles. Have a Golf DSG and have never looked back 😎

@Davo_1991 2 года назад

Top tip, don't buy a car with a cvt, just maintain a good automatic, like the 5 speed, last auto in Subaru out ack 4th gen, :)

@max-weber 2 года назад

especially whatever CVT nissan uses!

@Davo_1991 2 года назад

@@max-weber yeah they're the worst lol, I know, I work with Nissans too. Seem too many fail lol

@miketemple4160 5 лет назад

There is also a filter in the cooler that should be replaced.you can see it on rockauto cost 7.79

@watercool5 3 года назад

nope. requires removing the entire tranny.

@miketemple4160 3 года назад

Watercool5, there is a filter that can be replaced with out removing the tranny,its under the hood,follow the cooling lines it's a cartridge filter.under hood left side down in back of motor.

@MrPlaidFace 7 лет назад

Thanks a million for sharing this!

@newtcrew 3 года назад

I read elsewhere you can get the CVT fluid changed at the dealer for $289. Not sure if that's just the drain and fill, or what you did. Yours is probably more thorough.

@MicahFunk Год назад

From what I've heard from my local transmission rebuilder is the factory service manual calls for a 'drain and fill' for the maintenance.

@paulmchone 5 лет назад

Have a '17 Impreza and a '19 Forester, not looking forward to those transmission fluid flushes.

@kennethkline7794 5 лет назад

Me neither on my 2015 Legacy. I was also informed by my mechanic that Subaru's are known for blown head gaskets due to the boxer engine. I hope he's wrong.

@estradadavid702 5 лет назад

Kenneth Kline unfortunately, he’s not.

@ryanhill7318 3 года назад

They sorted their HG issues a number of years ago....the engines across the board have been all redesigned by 2012.

@dm19609721 7 лет назад

I guess installing a transmission filling tube wouldn't make sense....they don't make it easy do they

@consaka1 4 года назад

Curious why you didn't just put the oil back into the oil cooler hose? granted your pump can't keep up with the engine but less chance of spills.

@jayg1204 3 года назад

I'm wondering the same. Why not replace new fluid into the return line for the CVT cooler?

@25gwolfable 7 лет назад

there's actually a much easier way way easier than you're doing it to put the transmission fluid back into the Subaru Forester and all's you have to do is open the hood and look for the heat exchanger for the transmission cooler remove one of the hoses preferably the return line hose and just fill it from that way using your old pump that you have you can fill up the whole tire Reservoir with the Seven Courts cuz usually it takes 7 not really any less than that and just fill it from the return line on the heat exchanger the easiest way to feel it and a lot faster

@joepond769 7 лет назад

A person would still want to drain and fill the pan first to allow the system to draw in fresh fluid only. You still have to monitor the level of fresh fluid in the pan or you risk running the pan dry the only way to do that is keep the fill plug out and watch for overflow. Notice how he had to wait for like 20 seconds to catch up? The car is drawing way faster than the pump. If you pump into the return line vs directly into the pan what would you be gaining? I don't see any advantage.

@m.lymann2185 Год назад

Starting your engine does not do a thorough task of removing ATF. You need to cycle your gearbox to get the remaining fluid in the torque converter.

@retegoe 4 года назад

Comme on,some hot ATF oil in your eyes??? Got to love it and your directly involved and be one with your car!! He drank the stuff to!!!!!

@Tailwind1 2 года назад

Hi Max, how is the Amsoil CVT fluid performing, would you use it again? TIA :)

@max-weber 2 года назад

Yeah has worked great no issues for over 100k miles

@federalmayhem 4 месяца назад

This was a good job. Not sure that the pump could keep up with the engine flow as you were dumping. Other than that it shows people something they probably didn't know. Also, how did you put 100k on that car in three years lol. I've put a ton of miles on my forester doing mergers and acquisitions, it's a workhorse.

@fubartotale3389 3 года назад

Why take a chance with non Subaru CVT fluid?

@edsmith4414 3 года назад

I'd tend to agree...the Amzoil isn't any cheaper than OEM.

@j.angelo2528 4 года назад

Love the video. Thanks for the info. I'm planning on doing this very soon having seen this video and how easy it really is.

@DIYBIGMAN 3 года назад

Thanks for the helpful video! Also what kind of headlights do you use they look much better and brighter than the OEM?

@samuelmcfarland3577 7 лет назад

Great video. Subarus are the best.

@MikeSorrell-lp7zf 2 месяца назад

any update about using non oem fluid...omg this is 7 yrs old. nevermind.its been changed out by now

@max-weber 2 месяца назад

I ran the fluid for another 120,000 miles. Probably ran it a little too long before changing again lol. Transmission has been fine, but a solenoid on the valve body went out. The 2015 model year had valve body problems, so getting 230k miles before it went out was pretty damn good. Flushed again with the same Amsoil fluid and shifting good as ever! This time I dropped the pan, replaced the strainer, cleaned the magnet and pan, then re-sealed it with RTV.

@bygonebob 2 месяца назад

@@max-weberValve bodies on these TR580s are easily serviceable because they are located at the top of the tranny. How much did the dealer charge you to replace that solenoid?

@michaelm7874 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video. This is second time changing my cvt fluid (not flushing). I’m at 139k miles and had to replace a solenoid on the valve body. Thanks for the scan tool link, one thing I’ve struggled with is a scan tool that reads trans temp!

@orawancassidy3995 5 лет назад

man you need to look into the tool Mercedes has its a hand pump and it pumps the fluid back up through the drain plug was easier faster and cleaner ( about $140) well worth it works on most metric cars

@jochamtubeit 2 года назад

Can u plz share link of this pump ?

@johncosta2392 5 лет назад

Good morning Max, I am unable to get to the link letting me know how to purchase the items used to change CVT fluid. I would appreciate sending the directions on getting to your link. Thank you

@Crimsonsin 2 года назад

Doing helium and fixing Subarus, awesome

@andrewkrespov87 5 лет назад

Compared to the older cars.. this is way too complicated!

@bobtheelectrician6692 5 лет назад

Get used to it. It's the wave of the future.. lifetime sealed components. Only option is a $xxxx swap.

@andrewkrespov87 5 лет назад

@@bobtheelectrician6692 very true... these guys are robbing us of our right to repair stuff.

@MikeFitzmauriceNz 4 года назад

Just change out the volume that drains out using the drain plug. Repeat a few times with a short drive in between.

@ArmstrongRacing 6 лет назад

WOW! this is the best CVT video Ive seen, good job. This fluid was never changed before and was still in great shape?

@max-weber 6 лет назад

Yeah, it turns out the 22% CVT Deterioration rate estimated in the App didn't correlate with the lab analysis I had done of the fluid. They said the condition of the fluid was consistent with CVT fluid they analyze with 50k miles. Still good to get fresh (higher quality) fluid in there, as apparently these valve bodies have been having issues.

@ArmstrongRacing 6 лет назад

So its safe to say 100k is a good time to change it? Or earlier?

@max-weber 6 лет назад

That's what amsoil recommends, but subaru claims the fluid is lifetime.

@happyhappyhani 6 лет назад

So all I’ve seen for cars is the dump and fill technique. Do most cars have that outlet so you can extract most of the fluid while the car is on? I have a Prius, which has a cvt (obviously) wondering if I can do the same.

@max-weber 6 лет назад

I'm not sure Priuses have a transmission cooler. I think it's offered as an option but it might not be on every model.

@pavelbabkov957 5 лет назад

Will the transmission flushing on the 2014 Forester XT (with FA20 DIT) be similar?

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Yes, but the CVT cooler inlet and outlet hose are positioned differently. See this image I uploaded for a previous viewer: imgur.com/0xy1EyN

@drdee5627 7 месяцев назад

Shouldn't the new fluid be pumped where the return line was connected to?

@paultifco9935 5 лет назад

Great video, thank you. My Subie has 80k miles and I drive a lot in West Virginia, up and down... I’m planning on following your procedure, and I have one thing that i am unclear about. When you topped off the transmission was the car running? You said It was “heating up” so it sounds like it was. Thanks again.

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Yes, I forgot to mention that in the video but I put it in the info section below the video. The car has to be running to get the rest of the fluid in. Temperature between 86F and 104F with fluid dribbling out while the engine runs.

@subnuts1 5 лет назад

Hey buddy, great video. I purchased the Obd2 scanner that you recommended but cannot find transmission temperature on menu, any ideas?

@max-weber 5 лет назад

You'll need the ActiveOBD app for Subaru: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.activeobd.app&hl=en_US

@Revo2Evo 5 лет назад

Wow that fluid is dirty as hell. I wonder if i should change mine? I have 66,000 miles on my 2014. Did your CVT hesitate or shudder before doing this?

@max-weber 5 лет назад

The CVT has never felt ideal, I'm not really a fan of them, but it's tough to find a normal automatic transmission these days. I'd wait until you're out of warranty before touching it. My lab results showed the fluid was still ok (but they said it was good I changed it out at 100k). Under normal basic usage, 100k is a good time to do it. If you're off-roading, towing, lead foot, etc you should consider at least every 50k

@ibba9774 5 лет назад

Did you experience any decrease in mpg after using AMSOIL CVT Fluid?? what mpg no. you got with amsoil & OEM CVT Fluid?? You Experienced any hesitation or shudder after using AMSOIL CVT Fluid??

@max-weber 5 лет назад

There's been no change in MPG. The only time the car gets sluggish is if I haven't changed out the air intake filter in a while. The transmission also likes to be warmed up, so I usually run it until the engine cold light goes off before I drive away.

@VideoNOLA 3 года назад

What if I regularly (say every 15k) removed 1 qt. of CVT fluid and added that EXACT amount back? Would it keep things running OK without the need for a massive flush every 60k?

@IMA944T 2 года назад

I have questions. You were adding fluid back into the CVT through the fill plug. 1st. How come you didn’t or have you tried to add the fluid with pump through the nipple on CVT where the fluid returns normally. The port where you removed hose to capture the drained fluid? By keep the fill plug open you could tell if pump was adding fluid to fast. 2nd question is the pump you used to add fluid. How much does it pump compared to the CVT pumping out? I couldn’t tell by video wether the side of catch container was measured in gallons or litters. I kinda timed after you started engine and it looks like it took appox 16 or 17 seconds to fill to first larger line in container. But was that 1 gallon or 2 litters in the time of appox 16 or 17 seconds. This was by far the best video I have seen on flushing CVT fluid.

@elsocio666 2 года назад

The electric pump handles much less oil flow than the CVT's internal pump; that's why it stops the motor every 1.5 to 2 liters of discharge. Care must be taken that the internal pump never sucks in air which can be very detrimental to the cvt transmission. In short, the tray must always contain a sufficient level of oil to avoid internal damage.

@MrFloydroy 5 лет назад

Just a guess, but I’m thinking that that the only surviving original CVT’s are the ones that had routine maintenance.

@jy3ster 5 лет назад

Thanks for sharing. I understood that you drained the cvt fluids into a container and measured about 7quartz. Then when you fill it through the fill plug, it was only 4quartz? I think I’m lost when you started flushing the fluids... how can I make sure I’m putting back the same amount of fluids back in? Thank you

@max-weber 5 лет назад

The remaining fluid has to be added in while the engine is running (when the engine is off, fluid migrates back down out of the transmission since the transmission fluid pump is off). You fill the pan with the engine off. Then you start up, cycle through some gears, add fluid until it starts running out the fill port. The CVT fluid temperature has to be within a designated range (86F-104F) to get the correct fluid level because the fluid expands and contracts based on how hot it is. That's why you need the OBD reader and activeOBD app.

@ATDistinction 7 лет назад

I thought this voided the warranty in the Subaru CVT

@max-weber 7 лет назад

This car is out of warranty, but if you are referring to using aftermarket CVT fluid, Subaru cannot legally void the warranty for use of aftermarket fluid.

@Vidales1711 2 года назад

Hello Max, What kind of symptoms had the forester before this CVT Fluid change? I have one as your Forester with Some symptoms as kicks felt between 20>40mhp, and lights warning in the cluster don't were activated by ECU or TCM, if you push hard the accelerator it does not feel any issue, but if you drive a normal way the issue persists. I appreciate your answer and time. Your video is awesome and so clear the info that you did, Great Job! Saludos desde Nuevo Leon, Mexico.

@jedknutson8373 4 года назад

wrong flat side down toward drain bolt...

@BIack-Moon 2 года назад

Great instructional video... But I have a question could you have just hook up the pump to the line going back in the transmission vs the fill section?

@elsocio666 2 года назад

Yes, it can be done perfectly with the pump connected to the return line. Two things, it is important to carry out the work with a hydraulic pump that moves more oil flow and second, to carry out an exhaustive control during the process of the oil that comes out and the one that goes into the transmission.

@jjjjjjjjjjjjkjjj 3 месяца назад

Could you use two pumps and do with engine off? So it goes in and out at same speed so you can just turn them both on and off a close to the same time?

@fubartotale3389 2 года назад

Amsoil is trying to sell CVT fluid, of course theyre going to say it's comparable. That's not a chanse I'm willing to take. You only can exchange maybe 40% of the fluid at a time, mixing different fluids is asking for trouble, IMO.

@elsocio666 2 года назад

The opinion of experts in the field of automatic transmissions differs as to their analysis. The proportion of the new fluid is greater than 80 percent. The internal hydraulic pump of the CVT transmission always transfers the oil back through the return line through all the internal mechanisms and elements in a closed circuit. The only thing missing from Max's procedure was removing the pan, cleaning the magnet, and replacing the strainer filter. Redline, Pentosin, Ravenol, Liquimoly, among others, make premium NS-2 cvt fluids compatible with this transmission. It's up to you whether to continue with dirty, oxidized oil in your transmission or to have regular maintenance.

@fubartotale3389 Год назад

I change it every 35 - 40,000 miles, but with Subaru fluid.

@jutter84 5 лет назад

Hey did you put the transmission TCU through a relearn procedure? I’ve heard this needs to be done but sounds like BS to me.

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Generally there is no need to re-learn. The TCU is smart enough to adjust on it's own. I would just drive conservatively for the first week or two to give it a chance to adjust to changes.

@kisekinecro 3 года назад

My 2014 forester has just reach 100k and i am wondering if i should do the same thing since subaru only cover up to 100k miles....never tow anything, regular city/fwy drive with 2 times desert fun only. Also not sure where i can get a shop to do it.....

@VictorCastillo-jc5to 3 года назад

What do you use to clean the transmission, CVT fluid or something design for that purpose? CVT fluid is very expensive to waist it like that

@artilleryisbetter 3 года назад

Is a flush necessary for the CVT? My '19 Impreza is at 50,000 miles and I plan on getting a fluid drain & fill. Which will not be nearly as much new fluid in/old fluid out.

@skywu5839 4 года назад

You haven't do the front def, front def not share fluid with with cvt, it's using 75w90.

@skywu5839 4 года назад

Front differential

@max-weber 4 года назад

I'll probably do a differential video next. I changed the diff fluid right before I made this cvt fluid video

@subaruty128 5 лет назад

I was going over you video again . Definitely best flush out there . Question why didn’t you drop the transmission pan and change the filter? Does the tr580 have an internal filter? Did you ever consider adding an external transmission filter? If so can you recommend one ? Amsoil has one but it’s very costly. B and m has one but reviews were mixed . Any info would be helpful.. again that flush. Is the best system out there👍 look forward to see how you handle the coolant flush !!!

@max-weber 5 лет назад

You are correct about the filter being deep inside the transmission. You would have to tear down the transmission to get to it. There is a strainer that you could replace in the pan, but generally there shouldn't be enough material in the system to need to do it (especially if you do this flush). The pan uses a liquid gasket, I chose not to drop the pan for that reason, but if you're comfortable re-sealing the pan with liquid gasket (added cost, time, potential for leaks) then that would be a good way to get even more of the old fluid out before the flush.

@sirtimatbob 3 года назад

@@max-weber Do you have to use a liquid gasket to seal it back up or could you just use a rubber gasket?

@v0mdragon 2 года назад

@@sirtimatbob there is no oem gasket available for the tr580 in the US. so its a liquid gasket ir third party

@frederichartell7390 6 лет назад

Do you remember the size of the hose from the cooler?

@charlesgentry3758 4 года назад

Called Subaru of America and they said cvt is a lifetime component and needs no maintenance on newer models.

@max-weber 4 года назад

Their manual also says to change it every 24,000 miles under "severe duty" which by their standards almost any driving conditions qualify under. 100,000 miles was a good time for me to do a fluid change (when the extended warranty expired). Auto manufacturers claim "lifetime" fluid as a way of reducing the overall cost of ownership calculated by consumer ratings companies.

@Mewzyc 4 года назад

Funny thing. Subaru in Canada doesn't say that .

@chalakak007 3 месяца назад

Dont we need any kind of filter in transmission?

@rustysruger 6 лет назад

No fender guards...A true backyard mechanic..😄

@jrodfolyfe 5 лет назад

100000 miles you really think he cares about light scatches

@Alexscott100 7 лет назад

The obd connector that you used to check the CVT temperature will it work with all obd 2 cars

@max-weber 7 лет назад

The OBD LX reader that plugs into the OBDII port will work on any car, however the app I used to get the CVT temp is specific to Subaru cars (ActiveOBD). I believe you need to search for an app for your car that can read the additional information coming from the onboard computers, TCU etc. I will say that if you have a CVT cooler, the temperature of your CVT fluid will be almost identical to your coolant temperature. If you can read the coolant temperature you will have a good idea how hot the CVT is.

@Alexscott100 7 лет назад

Max Weber ok yeah I have a cooler that is right with the radiator and condenser

@SteedDigital1 7 лет назад

OBDII is a standard(thankfully). any car with the port (pretty much everything after 1995 has one) will work with an OBDII scanner.

@subaruty128 5 лет назад

Hello, great video. Can you come up with a way to flush the coolant on a Subaru Impreza, preferably a 2017-19 base . Lots of guys are pulling the lower hose And removing the thermostat. I would like to see a system where fluid is evacuated as distilled water is pumped in . Maybe utilizing a block plug to drain or the peacock valve .. let us know !!!!

@max-weber 5 лет назад

The only Subaru I own is this forester, but I am considering a coolant change/flush in the near future.

@elenavicnitto4767 5 лет назад

Спасибо. Кто-нибудь может перевести это видео на русский яз.? И адаптировать?

@elenavicnitto4767 5 лет назад

И указать что за мазута предлагается на залив (нам на сервисе предлагают арт. K0425Y0711lineatronic ll (зеленоватого цв). Кажется в этом Форестере была залита похожая жижа...

@anthonygrant3090 4 года назад

Would like to have a idea on 2014 subaru forester c v t if its was a good year c v t

@nickolastiguan 6 лет назад

22:23 what is the app you used to read the CVT fluid temperature? thanks.

@max-weber 6 лет назад

ActiveOBD for Android. Use the OBD tool linked in the description because some won't read the CVT data.

@elsocio666 3 года назад

Hi Max. We are awaiting the next CVTF change.

@subaruty128 5 лет назад

Hey max any idea how to purge the brake fluid from the a b s unit . I did the bleed but don’t have a scanner to simulate a purge . See units out there for older Subaru but nothing for the new ones .figured you might know .. thanks bud

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Are your brakes still squishy after bleeding? There could be a number of things, but here's the Factory bleeding procedure www.scribd.com/document/397713033/2015-Forester-Air-Bleeding-Brakes I think you can use an aftermarket scantool, but I've never tried it. Here's some factory diagnostics: 3. Excessive pedal stroke (1) Entry of air into the hydraulic mechanism Bleed air. (2) Excessive play in the master cylinder push rod Adjust. (3) Fluid leakage from the hydraulic mechanism Repair or replace. (cup, piston seal, piston boot, master cylinder piston kit, pipe or hose)

@johncosta2392 5 лет назад

I have a problem, I am hoping you have some recommendations that will help me. I was changing my fr diff fluid. I opened a fill plug on the driver side. MISTAKE.and pumped around two qts into the converter. Now I need to remove it. I found the correct fill plug on the passenger side. You mention in your video do not use different products. So I gather I should purchase Subaru CVT fluid. Or should I buy ams CVT flush and replace the 12 qts.

@max-weber 5 лет назад

oh man, yeah it might be a good idea to try and flush it out of there.

@MosquitoesInDecember 2 года назад

Just had my At Oil Temp Light come on, code read I need to replace Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid which is Stuck Off. Does anyone know if replacing fluid can fix this? Otherwise I’m learning I need a whole replacement CVT

@elsocio666 2 года назад

You must replace the valve body and the cvt fluid.

@scottfirman 5 лет назад

Can you explain why you changed the CVT fluid on a 2015 ? The service manual doesnt even recommend it. How many miles and are you towing with the vehicle? That would be the only reasonable reason to change that fluid unless you drove it through a high water area and water was able to enter the breather tube on top of the CVT. Exactly why is it so dirty? What is exposed that would create an issue. I would have dropped the pan and changed the filter if you were having such an issue. Also you have to remove the transmission and gears to acess the additional filter located inside the transmission. NOT a do it yourself job. I would plug the line that you unplugged to save a mess like you had. When mine gets to 80 k I will change my fluid AND FILTER. Its not an undoable job but seems like you used a LOT of fluid.

@ericripley2739 5 лет назад

I have a 2014 Forester. The service schedule ( I think it is service "D") recommends it every 100,000 km (62000 miles)

@seemlesslies 5 лет назад

Because the original service manual said the "lifetime" of the car but they realized that was a horrible idea and put it at 60k.

@drteknical6571 5 лет назад

RCHobbyist-X-Spurt: Billy Crystal/Max accent:"Hoo Hoo Hooooo! Look who knows so MUCH!"

@andrewyeh0811 6 лет назад

Hi. There are many transmissions lost pressure after changed CVT oil. Does CVT oil need to chang? Subaru use book tell us CVT doesn't need to change. One more question why don't you use Subaru CVT oil ? Any special for AMS Oil. I find CVT oil DIY vedio for long time.

@MrSubaru1387 6 лет назад

Correct. Subaru does not want the CVT fluid changed. They only recommend checking the condition of the fluid every 30k miles. You only replace the fluid if you find the condition of the fluid degraded/contaminated or if you tow a lot with the vehicle.

@Chorizomicks 4 года назад

Hi OP, you still have the original white Panasonic battery on your forester after 100k miles?

@jddell9419 Год назад

Is it possible to connect the hose from electric pump to the outlet tube (where you disconnected the outlet hose)?

@jjjjjjjjjjjjkjjj 3 месяца назад

I have the same question

@kristalsify 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the video. I see that you’re not using Subaru oem but amsoil. How is it working so far? And also, what about valvoline max life multi vehicle atf which claims to work for Subaru cvt also?

@timsherwood6371 3 месяца назад

Amsoil is best will go for 50k in between changes and valvoline is good as in it works with subaru but it's like a general cvt it can handle heat etc so it's good but suggest 30k changes as for branded I feel there is better stuff out there now like amsoil ... to the point these branded companies pay to put there name on others products

@kristalsify 3 месяца назад

@@timsherwood6371 30k miles or km? Thanks much for the advice, appreciate it 🙏🏼

@timsherwood6371 3 месяца назад

@kristalsify miles not km.

@MH-vf6he 5 лет назад

I understand if you flush before 100k milage this will void the warranty.....info from Subaru usa.

@max-weber 5 лет назад

It depends on your warranty I suppose. Subaru extended the CVT warranty to 100k on certain models (the 2015 Forester was one of them) due to a known issue with the transmission. As far as voiding the warranty for using aftermarket fluid, it would be illegal if Subaru did that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act With that said, it seems like 100k would be a good time to flush, so there should be no need to find out how that would play out anyway.

@carloecleo7635 7 лет назад

Very informative thank you for making this video. I have a question is the location of the cvt outlet hose the same with the 2015 forester xt fa20dit? Thanks.

@max-weber 7 лет назад

Here's a picture of the CVT cooler for the turbo and non-turbo taken from the factory service manual. It appears they are the same part, but might be oriented differently in the engine bay. It appears that the outlet hose is the outside hose in both images. The inlet is the small line between the two larger coolant hoses. You're going to disconnect the outlet hose where it hooks up to the CVT. If you mistakenly disconnect the inlet hose, CVT fluid will shoot out all over the engine bay. i.imgur.com/0xy1EyN.jpg

@carloecleo7635 7 лет назад

Max Weber Thank you very much!

@pechpoom 6 лет назад

Why you don't connect fluid from pump at return line. I think it easy than you do that.

@max-weber 6 лет назад

That's certainly one way to do it, but the check/fill plug is still needed for final top-off of CVT fluid. The major concern with just hooking up to the return line is that it is difficult to tell how much fluid is still in the pan. If the pan goes dry during the flush it can destroy the CVT. By filling through the check plug, I ran the pump until fluid starts coming out (which tells me the pan is full) then I flush about 2 quarts into the measuring bucket and repeat the process.

@Drsilmi 6 лет назад

Max Weber if the pan is dry can i just suck the fluid with a manual pump through the system from the cooler line with the car turned off? I mean make the whole process passive with the engine turned off and just suck out the fluid with negative pressure!

@Phil-D83 7 лет назад

Might want to add a remote filter or stacked plate cooler

@JosephSanders 5 лет назад

I see on RockAuto that there is a filter available. Why didn't you replace that??

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Unfortunately replacing the filter requires dismantling the entire transmission.

@VinnieChenzo 5 лет назад

Really great video. Thank you for making it. Will this be the same for the 2014 touring?

@max-weber 5 лет назад

Yes, as long as its the non-turbo

@conobitv 2 года назад

good video - how much oil did you change in total? how many quarts?

@huide8758 7 лет назад

Great job! Thanks for sharing this. Did you also change the filter ?

@max-weber 7 лет назад

I will consider changing the filter if the valve body goes bad. Changing the valve body will require dropping the pan so I might as well throw a new strainer in as well. The paper filter can't be changed without major work, basically completely disassembling the transmission. I received a letter from subaru extending the CVT warranty to 100k because this model year has solenoid problems in the valve body.

@SteedDigital1 7 лет назад

Is that why? the letter doesn't say it's why they did it.

@VeteranAviator 3 года назад

Why does everyone seem to change the fluid but not the filter?

@jojopojo9516 3 года назад

The only real filter in the TR580 is in the transmission case. What's in the vicinity of the pickup tube is more like a strainer. Only way to service the filter in modern Subarus is to remove the entire transmission.

@crosstiewalker803 2 года назад

Hammering on your ratchet. There's several ways to accomplish what you were trying to do without doing that. It's your tools and your video, but that's all I could stand to watch.