@@pledgeyourallegiance8530 In the city, they do. Refer to my comment. Where I live, the only time you see a tuck actually hauling something or off roading is if it was made before 2000. Anything newer than that is someones baby that they use to haul a couple big macs home.
NowA NevA Oh you mad mad lol. Bet a Toyota Tacoma is better than your gay Americans shitty engineers v8 engines lmao. Even tho the Tacoma is only a v6 😂😂😂
They got to say it to be protected by law, if he didnt and someone tried it that someone can sue toyota if they got hurt because they didnt advuse not to try something potentially hazardous at hone
Not to be a downer and talk shit about the tacoma becuase I love it but my 2000 Bugeye Subaru Impreza base model with just a 2 inch lift can do that....ive done it before at the beach
It's a total gimmic, or it's for people who don't know how to drive offroad.. My truck has it and never use it.. I guess it's a matter of knowing how to drive off road.
If you plan on keeping a vehicle for over 10 years the PPF or Paint Protection Film, is very useful. It is the same principle behind car bras, although car bras have many downsides that out way their benefits. PPF will protect against light stone chips , big bugs and anything else than can cut through your clear coat and through the paint to allow rust to dominate in the exposed areas of impact....... It's not a waste if u give a fuck about a vehicle that costs $40,000-$50,000 and you want it to last (visually). I would easily drop an extra $1000 to protect my investment if i planned on keeping it for over a long period of time (8-10 years[or longer]). That way I don't have to paint the bitch as soon, thus saving me money and increasing the value of the vehicle if you so choose to sell it at a later date than the average bear, or if you want to maintain a bitchin ride. PPF is just a fancy clear coat that isnt as durable. but its purpose is there.
José Villa I think his point was crawl control is not designed for mud, mud needs fast wheel spin to keep the tread clean and momentum. Once you get stuck in mud you need a winch or a snap strap.
José Villa We're talking about the crawl control mode here, not the entire truck. The truck is designed for off road yes, but the crawl control mode is designed for sand and loose dirt, not mud.
You don't need a gimmick like "Crawl Control" to go back downhill after burying it... ANY vehicle will pull dirt back under the tires, just have to use proper throttle control.
bluesti3 Truth. I buried my '98 Tacoma (locked in front/open in rear) to the rear axle and frame in the front (sliders were like a half inch off the ground) being forced to play tug-o-war with a 2nd Gen TRD OR (neither of us moved). Anyway, with proper use of the throttle, I was able to fill in the bottoms of the holes the tires dug out until she climbed right on out...with no fancy Crawl control or even ATRAC. This was on flat ground with no hill for gravity assist. Also, I did the exact same thing as seen in the video with my '96 F250, deliberately getting it stuck on a sand hill (posing for a photo), then with proper throttle control it clawed its way out backwards down the hill...again, no crawl control involved but it looked exactly like this video.
thedriversseat I'd love to, but it's one of those "pics or it didn't happen" scenarios, haha. Didn't get any video of the OGT working it's way out and I only had still images of the F250 being buried on the sand hill.
Come to think of it, I am going on a wheeling trip in mid-october to a place that has some nice soft sand hills. The Odd Green Taco doesn't like sand much since the Swampers go straight for China as soon as the wheels start to spin, so I'll see if I can reproduce what's seen in this video with old-school tech (Lincoln locked front diff and a Detroit locker in the rear)...and get it on video this time. =D
Yeah, sorry, just wasn't convinced it was stuck. All the video showed was backing out, down hill, with crawl control. Need to remake video truly showing the truck stuck. Show trying to get it out in standard 4x4 low, back and forth with no luck, then show how crawl control gets it out. Then I'll be impressed.
What does the average person who spends $35k on a small truck go and do with it? Go to the beach and get stuck Stuck is stuck- no matter where you are If your framed out don't matter if your in the mud pit or at the beach The tow is expensive as hell no matter what So now a bone stock truck with street tires can go to the beach and not worry as much about being stranded out there That's awesome
It probably wouldn't be able get out if that was on flat ground. I think gravity did most of the work. A stick shift toyota from the 80's could do the same thing displayed in this video.
In terms of ego and dominance you must downplay the significance of skills/tools you don't have access to in order to maintain the social position of your "old and busted".
Crawl is pretty cool, and it works great. But, I think the main miracle in the sand is keeping the wheel speed low. I have seen some other videos that tested this theory, and they were able to get out of sand, too. That said, Crawl makes it easy for the novice, and I am certainly glad I have it on my 4runner.
ldawson103 but I dont really understand the benefits of disc in the rear, most of the force is applied in the front and from previous experience with a nissan pathfinder it had drum in the back and it outlasted the front ones way more, almost double and now with a 4runner that has discs in the back they are wearing down the same as the front
ldawson103 Well said. I've got an '05 and I've never buried the back end to the axles, and i bet a majority of the owners haven't done the same either so I'd much rather have disks in the back that I will always use the benefits every time I step on the brakes compared to something I'll never see the benefits of.
MatadorCE I did, the engineers at Toyota, re-enforced the idea....oo wait the engineers that designed the dominating class leading tacoma dunno what they are about
***** lol, u don't know what I have jr, I know u don't have a cts-v like me, or a Camaro like me, 2 Harley's like me & a 101mph jet boat like me, you've been out spent & out classed sonny, lol......
Yes if the driver wouldn't have started spinning the wheels and stopped and dug himself in, yes it would have went up that tiny hill just fine and in 2WD. These are nothing but gimmicks to get stupid people to buy shit they don't need.
Drum brakes better than 4 wheel discs???? I disagree plus anyone who has been in any type of sand knows.... SAND GETS EVERYWHERE. Including drum brakes.
It's salesman, they don't know anything about cars. About the only thing he is correct about is disc brakes on the rear of a truck is just bling, most cars too. Most of your stopping power comes from the front due to, well, physics. The advantage of drums in back is that it is super easy to integrate the parking brake to them, and, fun fact, drum brakes actually more holding power than discs due to wedging action of the pads. They have less stopping power, though, because they overheat. Although, the drums on the back of my Suburban sure stop good, tho. The drums weigh about as much as that Toyota does, lol.
Sandblaster TBH, most engineers aren't much better. Many of my friends became engineers, none of them are the greatest when it comes to mechanical inclination, although they are better than most.
two of the biggest morons I went to highschool with are engineers now. They were book smart but they walked around the halls pointing at people and saying 'OOOOOOO suuuure!" and other catch phrases/inside jokes that they came up with.
Not that impressive. Drum brake comment discredited the presentation and probably will cost Toyota many sales just for that one dumb statement alone, passing off the viewers as idiots.
Basically he just said we don't want to be sued by morons doing moronic things so we'll use legalese and call the driver a professional (when he obviously isn't)
+CheckEngineLightOn They are slowly eliminating the need for an actual human driver. Daytime running lamps>automatic headlights>rain sensing wipers>automatic braking when you come up too close to someone>automatic parallel parking>crawl control. Soon, every aspect will be controlled by the computer and the driver's seat won't have pedals or a steering wheel.
Lesson 1: Make sure you line it up just right before getting stuck. Lesson 2: Put it in 2wd first to get "stuck" Lesson 3: Seems novel. (And another thing to break, malfunction and require expensive repairs) I would like to see the driver attempt to rock the vehicle forwards and backwards first, before determining how "stuck" this vehicle really is, and how effective the "Crawl control" feature is. Lesson 4: How applicable is this? Snow/Ice? Mud?
High Up Tours + Transportation Once the weather gets colder and we have the opportunity, we will do this test on Snow, Ice and Mud since many have requested it. We're also planning to shoot a follow-up video with Mike Swears from Toyota Motor Sales USA to address the most popular questions from this video. Thank you. -TheDriversSeat
High Up Tours + Transportation It seems kind of weak because it did prove that he could no longer go forward, but then proceeds to demonstrate the system in reverse, on the downhill side...not sure this system really makes anything possible that you couldn't have done before.
High Up Tours + Transportation I agree with you to a point. This is made for idiot off road users. Same as the people that can't parallel park. Ford has the trailer backup now. To me you are giving people false confidence. This feature has been tested for many years on the Land Cruiser.
"We won't give you disc brakes, which stop a vehicle much better than drum brakes, because we don't want you to hear a screeching noise after you get out of a sand pit." :))) we love you Toyota for giving us the best jokes of the automotive world!
And becuz toyota cares SOOOOO Much about what its loyal worrshipping followers, that they completely build a pos opposite of what its customers begs for. Yet the worrshippers still goes out and buys it at outrageous prices and preaches its the best thing since sliced bread.
+slurpyman20 My 96 Tacoma has been through hell and back with almost 300k miles and I just replaced the rear brakes last year. Only a Toyota hater would see a problem with that
+cristiandemirel1918 rear disc brakes are design to brake more efficiently than drum brakes but is it really necessary on a mid size pick up truck when most Tacoma owners will not use it for towing??? As a 2015 Tacoma owner i don"t tow i have more fun off roading. Thank you Toyota.
I hope the snorkeling gimmick comes out next year! I'm so eager! Can't wait to see this Toyota cross the Nile and Amazon river with no problem! It's gunna be called snorkel control.
"so can we agree the truck is stuck"... What is this a magic trick, clearly some bs to get you interested in buying it, even tho no one will ever use the feature
So they created this truck not to sell to anyone? There is apparently a market for trucks in this price range or Toyota wouldn't waste their time with it. Wasteful spending and laziness is more of a reason people cannot afford cars like this today.
Is that what I said ... This truck pushes 50k ... Do me a favor and name a truck that isn't shit for under 30k ... This is not afordable to the average working man
Sorry for misinterpreting your complaint. You didn't specify who could not afford cars nowadays in your original post. But I do think the EPA and NHTSA can be the reason people cannot afford cars way before an electronic 4wd aid and fancy wheels.
Joshua Robinson don't know how old you are... there was a day be for useless technology... ie abs airbags stability management and so on .... most of less are gov mandated some are industry mandated because of law suits ... and drive up cost ... I can afford this truck I can actually get two ... this is not the point I'm makeing ... the cheapest car on the market is around 20 stacks ... you will tint those windows so dark not to be seen ...
J Rob haha I work at one of the largest dealerships in Texas. it's non English-speaking customers who buy the high ticket items without crying about the price.
What is wrong with people today??? First it was proximity sensors in rear bumpers then came back up cameras, self park cars, brake assist, adaptive cruise control And now this????? Learn to freaking drive!! Get you face out of your smart phone and enjoy driving. I think if you put new drivers behind the wheel of a pre 90's car, they would shit their pants. Oh if anybody asks for this option on their 4x4, they shouldn't own a 4x4. Going off road you might get stuck. That's part of off roading.
I'm 18 and drive an 87 4runner. When my friends find out I don't have traction control, ABS, or airbags they freak out and say they feel sorry for me! I love my truck!
+desolatetree That's awesome!! I wish there were more like you. I had a '79 Chevy 1/2 ton stepside with a 6inch lift. I would launch that thing all over Pismo dunes here in CA and drive it the 2 hours home. I'm a little more cautious with my '04 silverado. But still have fun. BTW it has 4 wheel disc breaks.
+desolatetree I'm 34 and have owned European cars for the past ten years. I bought a 99 jeep xj because it doesnt have a computer for every component, abs, or any other features. I actually enjoy driving again.
So drum brakes because they are better off road due to debris? That's weird that every other truck gets it wrong along with all the dirt bike manufacturers with their rear disc brakes.
Anyone that has any experience off road knows this is total bs... They should call it "mall control" just incase you get stuck on one of the parking stops in front of forever21
It's for the soccer mom that accidentally got stuck on a parking barrier she didn't notice because she was too busy running her mouth on her cell phone
Frank Ojeda What you said makes no sense. Why would you use the plural form? Do you mean Trump will save all of the countries on the planet? I'm assuming you mean Trump will save only OUR country since you say "Our countries" - In this case you would use the singular possessive form "country's". Trump is our country's only hope.
Frank Ojeda Yeah.... except that I realize that Trump is running for President of only one country, the US. So country's is the correct way to say it. ...unless you want Trump to be the leader of the entire world, if so I'd suggest getting off his pogo stick.
No automated traction control system will be as good on sand or snow as simply airing down your tires for a larger surface area and using less wheel spin. Cool truck but I kinda feel like an older Tacoma on aired down 35's wouldn't even be in that situation in the first place.
Am I? How so? What tid bit of info do you have that proves this point. Or are we to sit here and wonder what you meant? You see HR, this is called a grown up response, versus name calling 3rd grade comments? Well done, you win, you are too smart for me, good luck in 4th grade next year. lol
William Wankoff Try watching rally from early 70's to today. Let me know if you want to throw in a Tacoma. Intelligent all wheel drive capable of transferring 60% of all power to a single wheel..... what ever wheel ISN'T spinning is 40 years old and originated with Audi. Yes Toyota has trucks, no that is not what my comment was about, it's about the fact this tech is nearly half century old. Don't care about the size of tires or trucks.
Went down a sandy embankment in my F250 XL Powerstroke 4WD manual transmission with E load range street tires. Went down just fine, charged up the embankment several time trying to get back up, no luck. I low range "crawl controlled" my way back up after trying everything else and got out with minimal fuss. I didn't even touch the throttle... just let the gearing and torque of the diesel do its thing.
+Strigent Odin It doesn't, but think about how many people don't even know what kind of motor their vehicle has. I've met so many people who know absolutely nothing about their vehicle, so when some gimmick comes out their mind is blown and they want that vehicle
He is full of shit. I never buy anything without all wheel disc braking. Sand invades everwhere. Imagine a drum full of sand. Toyota saves about $8 per vehicle using rear drums. That is a money whore. All of your top SUVs have discs.
OK, the explanation for why it has rear drum brakes is BS. If sand and dirt stuck in the calipers causing squeaking and noise is the reason it doesn't have rear discs, why does it have discs on the front? Jeeps are the off-road kings and they use discs. I've never heard of a single use scenario in motor cars where drum brakes were preferable to disc.
His reason is actually wrong. The reason they use drum brakes in the rear is because of trailers. Pickup trucks use proportioned brakes, meaning the front does about 70% of the braking and the rear about 30%. This is because a pickup has no weight in the rear, so there isn't much traction to effectively brake. There would be no benefit from having discs because they still wouldn't do that much. You also do not want the rear locking up. When you're towing a trailer, the increased weight increases the braking in the rear. Trailer minimum brakes are recommended to be a 10" drum. The Tacoma has a 10" drum
countryboy9546 That's still wrong. Even if the rear brakes only do 30% of braking, discs in the rear are still going to perform better than drums. Why do you think 350/3500 pickups use them? Also, if the fronts are doing all the braking work and the rears are THAT useless, why install rear brakes at all? The truth is because A) it would likely be illegal not to and/or nobody would buy the truck for that reason, but also B) relying on the fronts 100% of the time is asking for trouble in quick braking scenarios. Further, the rear of a Tacoma can be weighed down for sure. It's rated to tow 6500-6800 lbs, and it's top payload rating is around 1600 lbs. That means your tongue weight with just the driver and nothing else in the cab is still around 680 lbs, and bed weight could be more than double that (though you couldn't tow 6800 lbs AND have 1600 in the bed). Forgetting the fact that it would be a bad idea to tow with a Tacoma without installing an aftermarket trailer brake controller, having more braking power at all four corners of the truck would be much safer than having less. There's just no way to couch drum brakes on the Tacoma in the year 2016 as anything other than cost cutting. Toyota engineers weaving webs of hand-waving engineering speak isn't going to change a modern fact of automobile safety.
There's still no real reason to have disc brakes in the rear. They are cheaper and keep costs down, and most of the brakes do your work, so overheating is a non-issue. Shoes last a lot longer then drums so you're not replacing rear brakes all the time. Also, it's far easier to install a parking brake on drums then discs. My Tacoma has drums, so do the Rangers I drive at work. Lots of vehicles still use rear drums. They work fine
2011 Rangers had 4 wheel disk brakes for increased responsiveness for stability control. And they did that even though it was the last year of production. I converted my '85 Ranger to disk brakes (swapped in a 1996 Explorer axle) because it is easier to get mud and rocks out of them.
did anyone else wonder how he got the front wheels to spin without the back to get it stuck? and i would like to see this in clay mud on flat ground, in the rain, uphill both ways lol. but really i wanna see this put to a harder test
kmac720 The rear right wheel eventually gives the slightest indication of spinning after some time passes. I am thinking about rock crawling. When you do that, your left foot holds down the breaks while your right foot accelerates, so you don't slide backwards. I wonder if that would have this effect if used outside of the context of rock crawling.... Is the guy braking or using his parking brake to achieve this effect?
Cory Ferris its called a differential all trucks have them...and tacoma just got even better off road...it was sitting on the frame rails! if your not impressed its cause you've never really done any off road stuff...and judging by your pic you live in texas or ok and have never seen a hill
The Tacoma along with the Jeep Wrangler has the highest resale value of any vehicle under 50 grand at approx 54% after five years. Try matching that to any other truck.
We have had a 2013 raptor and have not had any problems. And someone offered me 50,000 and it’s a 2013 you tell me if it’s not a good truck. And just got the 18 and it’s probably the best truck out there at the moment and we are not planning to sell any of them.
Or you could just offer your most offroad worthy vehicle thats worth $50k with something other than highway tires... Then you arent in that situation to begin with!
All this talk about drum brakes vs disc put aside........ if you're gonna trade trucks every 3 or 4 years, buy a Jeep, if you're gonna keep a truck 10 years or more, you better be buying a Tacoma !
Yeah they would have a new trick called cement control , a onboard cement mixer would drop a controlled mix under each wheel and as it hardened the truck would free itself all the while making the mud hole easy for the next truck.
Wait you're telling me that in 2016 you are still going to use drum breaks? That's too bad because I will now be purchasing a Colorado over the Tacoma. I have a toyota and it is darn near bullet proof (No really I had an accident where it got shot with a 30-06 and shrugged it off). There is no reason to still be using drum breaks.
What drum brakes? No problems from my matrix. There is still no reason what so ever to be using them on a TOTALLY REDESIGNED pick up. Not even worried anymore. I went and got the 2016 Colorado LT 4x4. LOVE IT.
The biggest reason is likely to keep cost down. There is just no reason to have rear disks on this truck to begin with. It's nice to see your buying American.
The rear brakes aren't used as heavily as the front. The design of a safe vehicle mandates that they be "inferior" anyway. Whether they are drums or disks in the back, they still need to be braking with less force than the front at any given moment. So why would you put on equally powerful brakes, especially if they cost more? You don't have to answer that. I'm not arguing. Also I meant rear disks.
features for things and situations you wont ever need. are you a baja racer? cool...99.999% arent. like those chevy anti ford commercials showing people who throw cinderblocks full force into the bed and breaking the aluminum bed while the chevy steel one only bent... again...who throws cinderblocks full force onto the back of a pickup without a liner? fact is most these things on cars today are things you dont need... i would have rather seen toyota come up with a truck sized prius powertrain that blows a regular engine out the water with torque and efficiency or idk...some other feature that comes in handy for the day to day driver.
lol exactly showing the average joe the capabilities of a truck they will never experience in the real world.This truck stuck in sand is one you wouldn't do in the first place and if ever it did happen like the dude said in his comment "rocking it back and forth" will work just as good.
Ryan Solomon they are all trying hard to keep selling these giant dinosaurs and milk them oil supplies for all they are worth. Tesla in 10 years did with no experience what these huge companies will take 30 to do....
congratulations! sounds like youre slowly seasoning your car to be a future beater. hope the customer doesnt need non chipped cinder blocks. i just did a project myself and if i had to pay a dude to do it and saw him tossing structural components around compromising their strength, id look for another contractor. different strokes for different folks i guess.
Michael; you just gotta find the drum plug. Pop that out and let it drain the sand and water out. You'll have brakes again without issue! Just make sure to pump the parking brake a few times to build up drum air pressure again after replacing the plugs!!
So why didn't he get out going forward!? In fact he never tried to back up in 4 wheel drive before the supposed crawl control. And it's going down hill in reverse. This to me is a scam
We put in lame and cheap drum brakes because sand and dirt get in disc brakes, u know, to protect the system. Not because it's so much cheaper and we are cutting corners. Also, because we care, we now build all tacomas in Mexico because they have the highest quality control, not because, once again, we are saving money. Of course we pass along cost cuts to our valued customers and have adjusted the MSRP up by only 10-15k over the past few years ....
Well maybe its because Toyota stands behind their products better than most car companies. I mean they did a 3 billion dollar frame replacement program as well as several others…
@@Chumpy0071 idk... remeber the horrible paint throughout the 2000s, also the 2.5 used during that time as well? They basically gave everyone the middle finger for that. I know firsthand about both those issues. Toyota quality has been on a steady decrease.
