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Editor's Note: We apologize there is a minor error on KTM250SXF text. It says KTM450SXF....whoops! bare with us and enjoy the video = ).
It's that time... to take all 6 bikes and put them head to head to find an overall winner. The competition was closer than ever this year especially with the all new Honda CRF250 added into the mix. We took these bikes to tracks all around Southern California and spent multiple days testing on each machine to figure out each bikes' ups and downs. To see the winner stay tuned to the end of the video and more the online 450 shoot out head over to dirtibkemagzine.com now !

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@ridered7262
@ridered7262 6 лет назад
It's always the same old thing every year it's the best bike ever and they change the graphics or plastics. I'm still racing a 07 crf450r and winning races. It's how far you twist the thing on the right.
@jaredcosta818
@jaredcosta818 6 лет назад
So if you didn't feel like watching, basically the rmz was still a pos like usual, the husky hasn't changed, the kx got the old 2012 plastics back, the crf copied the ktm, and the yz had the best motor and suspension. Oh and somehow the ktm won
@leeham273
@leeham273 6 лет назад
the yz has the most user friendly motor, good low end. KTM, it screams on top. And tbh, ive ridden the yz forks, there are good, but so are the ktm airforks. have you actually ridden them? actually feel like you are riding on clouds man. sooooo nice. ride stock kx450f air forks, oh man, they feel like they don't move. so stiff in the worst ways possible. hands are dead after the first set of braking bumps
@zanenelson7641
@zanenelson7641 6 лет назад
Jared Costa the Yamaha isn't quite as light and doesn't have brembo brakes or cluck .........
@jessesjourney5973
@jessesjourney5973 6 лет назад
Lahms Suzuki has the friendliest bike
@oscarschneider860
@oscarschneider860 6 лет назад
Rmz are sick stfu
@pags1981
@pags1981 5 лет назад
lol basically yup
@Yeah_na
@Yeah_na 6 лет назад
Can you please re-edit this video multiple times and have a winner for each make for the fan boys out there...
@MediumWolf227
@MediumWolf227 6 лет назад
😂
@p4fstaaar
@p4fstaaar 6 лет назад
How much money did u get from ktm...?
@antonharris705
@antonharris705 5 лет назад
Yes
@16thrider12
@16thrider12 4 года назад
a lot.
@derkbrock5996
@derkbrock5996 6 лет назад
Have any of you ridden a KTM, if you look in years past they completely change the bike 2-3 yrs apart while other brands stay the same for 5-10 years just shows what manufacturer has better research and development I'd rather ride a KTM a few years old than a brand new Japanese manufactured bike. Yes while KTM has been a joke into the early 2000's there is no denying they are and have been at the head of the class for a few years now. If you're trying to race a 2 stroke competitively at any level and don't have support KTM is the way to go way lighter way faster and an updated chases like the factory editions we see.
@Davido50
@Davido50 6 лет назад
Honda or Yamaha always here! Can't go wrong. Getting 1 or other real soon. #rideOhio
@disasterjim737
@disasterjim737 6 лет назад
David Klimmek I have a yz125 and plan on getting a crf250r next week!😎 Yamaha and Honda all day long💪🏼❤
@Yeah_na
@Yeah_na 6 лет назад
Soooo... 2:02 title says it’s a 450 which isn’t fair in a 250 shootout and no kick start? Is this because they’re all sick of kicking till Monday??
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
Lmao!
@aidenranney5002
@aidenranney5002 6 лет назад
At 2:02 they were pointing out that the ktm 450 won the 450 shootout
@danielfencl3829
@danielfencl3829 6 лет назад
Planet Matt editing mistake I saw it to but they did call it a 250 and not a 450
@Yeah_na
@Yeah_na 6 лет назад
Aiden Ranney what video are you watching??
@DirtBikeMagazine
@DirtBikeMagazine 6 лет назад
we apologize. minor text error on our part. These are all 250Fs
@darkkrad1128
@darkkrad1128 6 лет назад
Good starter bike? I’ve ridden a crf125 for about 5 hrs total at my friends house
@janeirorobb6997
@janeirorobb6997 5 лет назад
So what 250 4 stroke would you consider for street riders witch brand ?
@sxfwilson6603
@sxfwilson6603 6 лет назад
I've got the 18 kxf 250 and love it sold the ktm to get it lol
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 6 лет назад
I raced Motocross in the Mid to late 70's so much improvements in suspension .. Sounds to me like any of these 6 are darned good.. I have owned mostly Yamaha but Honda always turned the best and back in the day had better fit and finish .. they were a lot more affordable back then .
@bangojolmedan
@bangojolmedan 6 лет назад
so from all of this bikes, which one is lightest and cheapest ? KTM lighter and YZ Cheaper? what do u think?
@AussieGoPro
@AussieGoPro 6 лет назад
Finally 250 shootout 👌🏼
@deeganrobinson1163
@deeganrobinson1163 6 лет назад
I wish they would put a BETA in this video but my favourite bike is a Kawasaki
@brysondavis2727
@brysondavis2727 6 лет назад
Says 250 sxf and the vid shows 450xsf😂
@GenkiDamaSSJ
@GenkiDamaSSJ 6 лет назад
So I guess I'm late to the party but when did air forks become a thing? Whats their advantage over coil spring? And why did Honda switch from air back to coil?
@clutchitup8565
@clutchitup8565 6 лет назад
Genki Dama no springs equal lighter
@Redwheelsarecool
@Redwheelsarecool 6 лет назад
Why is the KTM 450 being used or is that an error cuz I'm really confused correct me if I'm wrong please
@Yzslider34
@Yzslider34 6 лет назад
When is the Alta going to be in the 250 shootout?
@MR-04
@MR-04 6 лет назад
YAMAHA or KAWASAKI all the way !!!
@mywifeteresa
@mywifeteresa 6 лет назад
Why didn't they test the YZ250 in this Shootout ,or the KTM250SX ?
@benjibanks7894
@benjibanks7894 6 лет назад
So is it safe to say that in a few years All 4 strokes are going to be electric start?
@boxinggloves6834
@boxinggloves6834 5 лет назад
.. I would to check them all and compare with what you said!
@nickchristofora3417
@nickchristofora3417 6 лет назад
Didn’t go over that the crf250f has power modes for newer riders. Could make it the new yz250f
@jth_printed_designs
@jth_printed_designs 6 лет назад
Buddy the Elf, what’s your favorite color?
@bangojolmedan
@bangojolmedan 6 лет назад
can i use a Grab Handle to Honda CRF? like a KTM did..
@EvanHuctwithmx242
@EvanHuctwithmx242 6 лет назад
Ive ridden both and the ktm just feels so much better
@bobriley000444
@bobriley000444 6 лет назад
why make the music so loud couldn't even hear the bike
@Yeah_na
@Yeah_na 6 лет назад
If the KTM didn’t have an engine it would still somehow win...
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
Lol... KTM, because using syllables is for slow people.
@mikebrown41182
@mikebrown41182 6 лет назад
Planet Matt you biased towards kawi? Pick a colour and enjoy.
@LoCk3H
@LoCk3H 6 лет назад
the KXF shit sorry to say ive owned one..
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
LoCk3H why
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
blomgren182 I believe he was sarcastic
@jaybugni9272
@jaybugni9272 6 лет назад
For everybody complaining that the Honda was the most changed and still didn't win. You have to realize this. Every single time a company does a complete overhaul of a bike. They spend the next couple years tweaking it to make it better and work out the kinks. Just because it is the most changed doesn't mean anything.
@chanceholmes9540
@chanceholmes9540 6 лет назад
Would the Ktm be a good trail bike?
@karlmann4777
@karlmann4777 6 лет назад
I really cant wrap my head around "The Suzuki is the king of cornering" and the saying "jump for show corner for dough" but yet every Suzuki they test gets the worst rating and they say you have to make a bunch of changes to make it good. LOL stop making it so obvious please
@XxGhostR3c0nsxX
@XxGhostR3c0nsxX 6 лет назад
In the end, it comes down to the Rider in a Race !!!!
@mxr7586
@mxr7586 6 лет назад
funny the yamaha revs longer on top than the ktm way better suspension yet they act like the ktm is better. also ppl I know that bought ktms dont seem to last long as where yamaha seems to be way more reliable and last a lot longer. any of these bikes can be good just rider adjustments.
@aidenranney5002
@aidenranney5002 6 лет назад
The Yamaha doesn't rev near as long on the top and it is almost 20 pounds heavier than the ktm or husky and doesn't feature an electric start and if the bike isn't lasting your not taking proper care of it
@mxr7586
@mxr7586 6 лет назад
Aiden Ranney apparently you need to do your homework on the 2018 yamaha and or ride 1 and the ktm. The yamaha does come with a electric start also the only bike with wifi technology revs higher and so on.
@mxr7586
@mxr7586 6 лет назад
Josh Courtney thats what I was trying to say dickhead ive rode every bike and I had a honda kawi and yami. ad far as the 250f the yami last longer. my friends had ktms and had probs
@aidenranney5002
@aidenranney5002 6 лет назад
mxr you obviously have no idea what ur talking about the 450s have wifi and electric start dumbass these are 250s and look at the dunk charts the ktm and husky hit almost 14,000 rpm before they hit the rev limiter the yami doesn't even come close to that
@mxr7586
@mxr7586 6 лет назад
Aiden Ranney I was talking about the 450 idiot cause someone else did. and as for wifi yamaha is the only one you can wifi with your phone.
@vincentsauer99
@vincentsauer99 6 лет назад
Im sorry for Dirtbike TV for all these stupid comments. Why you people want a shootout if you except only your bike of favor to win?? That makes no sense at all. It has been tested and heres the result. And confidence that last year the ktm won almost every shootout? And they mention every time that this is a shootout for racers. Shoutout to DB TV for this very well improved Shootout detailwise. Eventhough i will buy a 17 Yami because it fiits me the best. Greetings from Germany✌
@kalanmckercher8714
@kalanmckercher8714 6 лет назад
Vincent Sauer the Yamaha has the best engine, handling and suspension so how doesn't it win and some riders are just faster than others so wtf
@vincentsauer99
@vincentsauer99 6 лет назад
Typical_Ladd The 250f ktm has by far better handling and cornering and almost the power in the downside.
@vincentsauer99
@vincentsauer99 6 лет назад
And the Suspension is also almost as good as the kyb sss. KTM weighs 98kg Yamaha 103
@kalanmckercher8714
@kalanmckercher8714 6 лет назад
Fair point but the Yamaha is better but there mostly the same these days so just pick what ever colour u want.
@mattpilling3793
@mattpilling3793 6 лет назад
I guess they are deciding to use a 450 in a 250 shootout😂
@jeremymcadam7400
@jeremymcadam7400 6 лет назад
Didn't realise I clicked on a KTM ad
@aiden4254
@aiden4254 6 лет назад
I don't think they should get rid of the kick start because what if something goes wrong with the electric start when you're out riding at a track?
@danniebergall6356
@danniebergall6356 6 лет назад
Roll start?
@aiden4254
@aiden4254 6 лет назад
I forgot about that but Isn't that bad for the engine when you roll start it?
@LooseCannonRacing
@LooseCannonRacing 2 года назад
@@aiden4254 nope, its the exact same process as the kick start, just turning the engine
@paulelm4645
@paulelm4645 6 лет назад
Who won
@erikmanoel6088
@erikmanoel6088 6 лет назад
Crf😍😍😍😍😍😍
@stupidmoto
@stupidmoto 6 лет назад
wow KTM is the most expensive and least durable, no wonder they are so light weight
@zanenelson7641
@zanenelson7641 6 лет назад
stupidmoto what's that you ride a Japanese 120kg piece of shit. You can't put a price on greatness.
@mmanuelrivera9887
@mmanuelrivera9887 6 лет назад
stupidmoto MANNY RAMIREZ
@wyatt5786
@wyatt5786 6 лет назад
Fuck that we all know KTM is better
@wyattfreeland8868
@wyattfreeland8868 6 лет назад
There light because they lose parts on the track
@daxashlock8109
@daxashlock8109 6 лет назад
Haha Japanese bike are awesome
@destroyall24
@destroyall24 6 лет назад
Think y'all are getting some help from KTM honestly.
@rcforever8176
@rcforever8176 6 лет назад
We'res tm in this line up they have all the best parts and the more power than any Ktm I have ridden that's for shaw 🤔
@thomaswalsh2724
@thomaswalsh2724 6 лет назад
Why’d it say 450sxf?
@tintingaming8612
@tintingaming8612 6 лет назад
Honda reliability FTW!!!
@jaimerealista81
@jaimerealista81 6 лет назад
All bikes were good, and it only depends on its rider.
@Unidentified-fv9fo
@Unidentified-fv9fo 6 лет назад
KTM won the 250, 450, and 125 shootout😂
@scottberkindaywalker7356
@scottberkindaywalker7356 6 лет назад
For me, the winner is no 20. No wonder...!!!
@zahydbenaziz235
@zahydbenaziz235 6 лет назад
Kawasaki is the Best
@catalyst7809
@catalyst7809 6 лет назад
zahyd ben aziz according to this shootout no it's not.
@noahranker4133
@noahranker4133 4 года назад
Evan Anderson who gives a fuck about a pay to win shoot out
@arlomartinez4810
@arlomartinez4810 6 лет назад
Anybody else think this shit is type rigged and each bike fits a person differently so there's really no point to this because buying the bike for you is all personal preference
@jacksonenduro8232
@jacksonenduro8232 6 лет назад
450SXF in the 250 shootout? Guess that's why they all say the kato has the most power
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
How did they miss that typo lol
@ethanhebert3065
@ethanhebert3065 6 лет назад
The on the bike it said 250
@uae9787
@uae9787 6 лет назад
Kx250f 👌👌👌
@resistthesystem6145
@resistthesystem6145 6 лет назад
READY TO RACE!
@BoostedFB6
@BoostedFB6 6 лет назад
They say that most rate the ktm and husky in a dead tie for performance but the ktm is 2 spots ahead hmmmm something suspicious, how much are they paying you?
@samoliverio7455
@samoliverio7455 2 года назад
They're owned by the same company dumb dumb
@LMBC6Brian
@LMBC6Brian 6 лет назад
Im so glad I got a left over 17 KTM. That 18 orange frame is ghastly. So awful looking.
@telefunkenyou47
@telefunkenyou47 6 лет назад
LMBC6Brian - The front fender looks like it was eating Cheetos and fell asleep watching porn.
@exaviermcnair6744
@exaviermcnair6744 6 лет назад
18 yz 250 17 ktm 450 17 raptor 700 🦍🤙🏾
@ethancvlogs7765
@ethancvlogs7765 6 лет назад
Husqvarna for life broski 🤷‍♂️
@ridecross5605
@ridecross5605 6 лет назад
Good👍
@peterrichardson8716
@peterrichardson8716 4 года назад
I would still shit myself on all of these bikes lol
@threefiddyone
@threefiddyone 6 лет назад
Cool but I wish they were all 2 strokes
@ctown6592
@ctown6592 6 лет назад
threefiddyone 2 jokes suck
@threefiddyone
@threefiddyone 6 лет назад
Connor Townsend Townsend Theyre not as good but they are way more fun to ride and listen to
@nickmathews8608
@nickmathews8608 6 лет назад
threefiddyone fucking respect to you my guy. I ride 2 jokers but most of the 2 stroke community fucking hates 4 stroke. Glad you ain't coming here to argue lol
@threefiddyone
@threefiddyone 6 лет назад
Thanks dude. Theres no doubt that in the competitive aspect 4 strokes are better, but for most people who ride its just about having fun on whatever bike you prefer.
@zanenelson7641
@zanenelson7641 6 лет назад
threefiddyone your beloved Honda's don't make 2strokes 😂😂😂
@jacobewing6302
@jacobewing6302 6 лет назад
Not bad for Honda. I have a Honda myself but I honestly think Kawasaki shoulda got higher
@Extrlz
@Extrlz 6 лет назад
are we gonna ignore the fact that Ktm's are $1000 dollars more than all of the Japanese bikes ?
@Sim1991eon
@Sim1991eon 6 лет назад
"Pro's love the KTM and the Husky. The more moderate power makes the other bikes ideal for novices." DUDE there is like 2-3 HP difference, so the difference between a pro and novice bike is 2 HP? I promise you a good chassis, suspension and tyres have a bigger influence than that small power difference.
@ybrido1
@ybrido1 5 лет назад
i cant reaaly understand. i got the money for one and i cant get a clearly decision... im so tired of my rm 250 and blowin pistons. i get out from enduro de verano.. a real important race here in argentina. now i have the chance. and yamaha it seems to be the best , and it seems with a longer life. but everybody says ktm is like ferrari in f1. so i watch the youtube videos. and surprise the crf 450 makes the ktm eat the dirt. in other videos makes eat dirt to the yamaha 450 f , all of them motocross. not enduro. and so ? whats the truth?
@EZ4U2Say11
@EZ4U2Say11 5 лет назад
Why does everyone add an A to husqvarna it’s not a husqkavarna jeez 🤦‍♂️
@Titoburritobandito
@Titoburritobandito 5 лет назад
I have a 2015 crf250r i just can't go all electric start that shit fails in mud.
@marekadamat1266
@marekadamat1266 6 лет назад
TM racing?
@dougiequick1
@dougiequick1 6 лет назад
I think he meant the 70's TM?
@sanchito1976
@sanchito1976 6 лет назад
And also Honda should win
@16thrider12
@16thrider12 4 года назад
they hade to use a 450 cause the other bikes were to good for the 250 KTM. 2:01 XD
@markswartmx56
@markswartmx56 6 лет назад
Too bad Honda couldn't even get close to the KTMs weight with their redesign..
@mmanuelrivera9887
@mmanuelrivera9887 6 лет назад
MANNY Ramirez
@ComingUpNextTime
@ComingUpNextTime 6 лет назад
KTM 450 is only capable of battling 250’s. Seems outclassed then.
@g.p.caines4347
@g.p.caines4347 6 лет назад
What? No two strokes?
@glahut93
@glahut93 6 лет назад
G.P. Caines they are afraid to compare the powerful 2 strokes against the 4 stroke slugs
@crankinbass5758
@crankinbass5758 6 лет назад
Ka-ti-m
@tyler3533
@tyler3533 6 лет назад
I may sound like an idiot, but if these are 2 strokes where are the fatty pipes
@tyler3533
@tyler3533 6 лет назад
Like I may be wrong but the KLX is the 4 stroke and KX is the 2 stroke and they usually have the big fat pipes but it didn’t in this video
@ostblech1561
@ostblech1561 6 лет назад
GravityWave673 Thema Bikes in this Video are 4 jokes
@shogun678
@shogun678 6 лет назад
Suzuki, kawi, and Honda don't build 2 strokes anymore and yamaha hasn't updated there 2 stroke motor in over a decade. Wouldn't be much of a shootout I'm afraid.
@kanekohlman905
@kanekohlman905 6 лет назад
Ktm would be paying them to say they won
@archiepulbrook3073
@archiepulbrook3073 6 лет назад
GO THE KTM
@christophervillarreal8565
@christophervillarreal8565 5 лет назад
Ktm and husky are identical yet Honda ties with husky... ktms break down the second you take them out of the dealership. Swingarms snap, front stems snap, leaks from every gasket, gears are fucked rolling out the dealership that claimed to test ride it before handing it over... nope I’ll stick to my Honda’s.
@kevinray1501
@kevinray1501 6 лет назад
Everyone bitching about the ktm always winning, shut up. The got the money and sales to just keep making a perfect bike better. Back in the early days there wasnt a bike for years touching the honda. Just takes time to catch up to the top dawg, dawg. Still a honda guy though
@parkerwise3895
@parkerwise3895 6 лет назад
Kevin Ray what do u mean make it better? The stupid thing hasn't changed for the most part since 2016
@kevinray1501
@kevinray1501 6 лет назад
It looks better doesnt it? No? They gotta change something. Honda is the only bike that went for crazy changes. Yamaha added blue rims. Ktm made an orange frame. What do you want?
@brendanhellyer188
@brendanhellyer188 6 лет назад
The huskys always break down Honda and Kawasaki For the win
@habibalkhudri7928
@habibalkhudri7928 6 лет назад
im yz 250
@rileyedwards3659
@rileyedwards3659 6 лет назад
Wait hold up it’s a 250 shootout but the Ktm is a 450sxf 🤔 how the fuck does that work 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
@devingiles5576
@devingiles5576 6 лет назад
When Yamaha gets beat by Suzuki.....you know they're doing something wrong.
@dylanrooney5772
@dylanrooney5772 6 лет назад
I thought the 2018 yz250f have that dickie front guard and the Dumb ass idea of no Kickstarter.
@deandodd4755
@deandodd4755 6 лет назад
Ktm spends a lot of money with them.
@dirtbiker32seale28
@dirtbiker32seale28 6 лет назад
Yamaha should have been 3rd
@Tuck3rmurph
@Tuck3rmurph 6 лет назад
Just don't stall
@harnoorsingh6185
@harnoorsingh6185 6 лет назад
KTM!!!!
@bobbygross6844
@bobbygross6844 5 лет назад
I have a Ktm 2 stroke and I hate it because all it does is bitch when I try to rip it
@ejnicky9175
@ejnicky9175 6 лет назад
I wish i had one of those bikes😭 i wish someone would buy it for me😞
@j-pvergaman7292
@j-pvergaman7292 2 года назад
Work for it yourself dummy
@hunterclarot6501
@hunterclarot6501 5 лет назад
Yamaha honda suzuki or kawasaki
@EvoPortal
@EvoPortal 6 лет назад
Jesus christ please learn how to do audio leveling in your videos!
@cameronbrown9266
@cameronbrown9266 6 лет назад
this is Ridiculous, all these bikes get better improvements every year but yet the KTM still wins??? This is fucking rigged. Honda comes out with an all new bike this year and still loses...even the Honda 450 last year was all new and the ktm 450 still won...this is stupid.
@Yeah_na
@Yeah_na 6 лет назад
Yep, the KTM would win with no engine... they would say it lacks power uphill and the downhill power is silky smooth...
@claybadger491
@claybadger491 6 лет назад
Planet Matt and the ktm doesn’t look that good.
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
Planet Matt you crack me up. Haha
@TrompieTrompie
@TrompieTrompie 6 лет назад
If it weighs less then how come you pay more? Hmm somefing suspiciouz 🕵️‍♀️
@MBF120
@MBF120 6 лет назад
Cameron Brown because ktm gets better every year and is the fastest
@nun6996
@nun6996 6 лет назад
DID THEY JUST CALL A YAMAHA... FRIENDLY?? Edit: imma get soo much hate for this.
@keo9365
@keo9365 6 лет назад
HawkeyeOfTheSky 😂😂😂 I can see why you say that but look at it from this point of view. When Yamaha released their 2017 YZ250F, the bike came with more mid-range punch, which made the power curve more linear and consistent. So it benefits beginners so they won’t get random bursts of power like the shitty KTM (similar to a 2 stroke) because you don’t want to be stabbing the clutch the whole time if you don’t have confidence and technique, you can just roll on and the power is there immediately. Obviously if someone has never ridden a dirtbike or even a normal bike before, they shouldn’t go with a Yamaha, because whiskey throttle on a Yamaha will get you into some serious shit. But if your throttle control is decent then the Yamaha can be a good beginner bike.
@nun6996
@nun6996 6 лет назад
yeh, im looking at the YZ125 for my next bike.
@jollycooperator2876
@jollycooperator2876 6 лет назад
there all the same...
@indie9396
@indie9396 6 лет назад
They should swap the suzuki with a tm
@thareal1318
@thareal1318 6 лет назад
2:02 so I thought it was a 250 shoot out?
@Abhishek-150
@Abhishek-150 6 лет назад
They all look same
@toddsimone7182
@toddsimone7182 6 лет назад
As in, they all have 2 wheels?
@tonycerino9645
@tonycerino9645 6 лет назад
Oh I thought this was a 2 stroke test. 4 strokes sound like a wet fart.
@glahut93
@glahut93 6 лет назад
No 2 strokes ?
@catalyst7809
@catalyst7809 6 лет назад
nik mxforever are you dumb?
@catalyst7809
@catalyst7809 6 лет назад
nik mxforever no but you are.
@Tryinglittleleg
@Tryinglittleleg 6 лет назад
Electric start isn’t even motocross
@wyatt5786
@wyatt5786 6 лет назад
Lol, yall butthurt that KTM is better
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