2018 UK Knife Law changes, my opinion and the knives I carry outdoors 

Why are you accepting authoritarian rule, a free and responsible man should be able to carry whatever wants without having to explain himself to central government.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/222776

I just received an email asking if I ship my fixed blade knives to UK. I am thinking the answer is going to be "no".

I was talking to the police online and they have said this.. OFFICIAL As per below advice - It is an offence to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place, with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is 7.62 cm (3 inches) or less. Even if you are going fishing or camping, you cannot carry a knife that is bigger than 3inches or is a folding pocket knife. Kind Regards, Police Scotland Guess I can't use my fixed blade camping knife which has a fire starter built into its sheath.. I seem to live in the wrong country for my interests, I like guns.. mostly banned/need licence's and memberships.. I like pointy things.. also banned, need good reason but the police have now just told me that this doesn't apply going by that email.. when it comes to knives its hard to know whats even legal and what isn't, I have never wanted to hurt anyone with these tools, and I can live with guns being mostly banned, But ffs I can't even take a decent knife for a camping trip.. Arresting people for carrying a knife which they had no intent to use on a person is just labelling innocent people criminals, damaging freedom, and lives, Meanwhile if they wanted to hurt someone they could do it with a rock or piece of wood, or there fists? should we ban hands?.. I best not give them ideas...

They are now talking to me like I am a criminal for asking them in what scenarios it would be seen as good reason to carry a knife, and if fishing etc would count.. wonderful. Never been arrested or carried a weapon in public, or any other offence, quite a boring person really but talked to like a criminal for wanting to know what is legal for me to do, So i can avoid breaking laws. How unreasonable.

The 1988 law that categorically criminalised "having a knife in a public space" UNLESS it was a "folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches" didn't mention locking mechanisms at all. The law was clear, if it's a folding knife with a short blade (3 inch or less) then it's exempt. Then the courts just decided "nah, if it's got a locking mechanism then this folding knife isn't a folding knife". The courts in England do this shit all the time, they just make shit up to send innocent people to prison. Their argument is "well, a folding knife FUNCTIONS as a non-folding knife if it can lock" but that is just inventing a new law to criminalise the innocent. Parliament knew people carried folding knives with LOCKING blades so didn't criminalise that. The courts didn't care. And Parliament didn't do a think to remove this ambiguity.

Now he'd be arrested for Possession with intent to supply a deadly weapon.

Yup they can effectively seize anything they want with impunity and its on you to pay a fortune to get it back. We need to start cutting back police powers. Some sort of insurance to protect fisherman,workman,bushcrafters etcetera against this is in order. I also recommend getting a cheap body cam for this sort of stuff.

You're lucky. My leatherman cost me a three year suspended sentence after I lost my case. Apparently, two reasonable causes means I was lying... go figure

Does Paul Hitchman have a part in this?. You were targeted.

UK law has gone very much awry, nowadays you can be convicted of a crime without ever being heard by a jury.

@@JOHNRFC72 No the copper needed a new leatherman, so he stole yours, I bet any money he didn't hand it in. Of course if you had complained it would suddenly have turned up. I had a friend who was growing 3 illegal plants, he was raided by 2 coppers,( since when do just 2 coppers carry out a drugs raid) they took his plants which were just ready to crop and gave him a choice, forget what had happened and choose his friends more carefully, or go to court and be charged with growing cannabis. Of course he had no choice did he, and the coppers got 3 1/2 ounces of prime weed. Is it surprising nobody trusts the law anymore when so many of them are as bent as a three pound coin..

Extremely unlikely to be searched in the first place. Especially if your white😕

No imagination required, tried to prosecute me for Gerber multi-tool found in glovebox in car wasn't even mine.

Don't need to.

@@jonathanm877 Yeah, only time I'm searched is getting into big nightclubs or music concerts which I obviously wouldn't take a knife to anyway

@@nowayhoses8079....so what were you doing in a car that wasn't yours? There is far more to the story than the patchy details you've supplied. Tried to prosecute also suggests they passed this onto the CPS who what, proceeded with the case and in court you won? Or did they not charge you at all?

le me waste my ray mears woodlore on this wanker

@@theorangebear5809 lmao

You should know by now, tyrant governments don't care about logic or reason. They care about power and control over the population that [allegedly] votes them into power, *IN THE GUISE OF* "public safety." When will people wake up to this fact? Time will tell...

@@theorangebear5809 🤣

Ask the people that suffered during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

@@Cleric775 holodomor

Short of ripping off your actual arms I dont think you guys could be more disarmed.

And not having to admit that importing half the 3rd world was not a great success, when are they banning acid btw?

Gangs, mobs are the cause. Did they turn theirs in. No because criminals don't follow the law.

Yes, with the screwdriver coming a really close second. Doesn't bear thinking about does it?

clangerbasher Ask the burglars in Hither Green.

Yep.

Wow, the uk gave up most of their guns without a fight and now we are to believe that they will fight for their knife rights.

The sentence can actually be upto 12 years without having a valid reason but no doubt they'd have shoved anything and everything they possibly could to make it up to the 12 years and only the courts decide if its valid or not but to police whether it's valid or not to them it'll never be a valid reason so they'll take it and book you in which then will go to court and as for the fine it can be unlimited which means it can be way more than £5,000 which maximum fine used to only be £5,000 but they removed that cap in 2015 and minimum sentence is 6 months

@HappyandAtheist The murder rate here is caused by the same lawless scum of society that has caused you to lose your right to a knife. They mostly only kill each other and will continue to do so with no regard for a new law. The big difference between us is (if attacked), The citizens here can legally show them "WHY YOU DON'T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT"

Exactly. Non-locking knives are far more dangerous. The UK knife laws are an absolute joke.

On the other hand, allowing a small slipjoint is more reasonable than the law in some other countries. Still, it's bullshit.

Yep I nearly had my finger off a year ago because I replace my 2” lock knife with a 3” slipjoint, trying to cuts some foamex preparing for an optical show at an exhibition centre, I always carry a little knife and a multi tool to stop me having to drag my tool bag around with me for little jobs

@@mrbones3163 reminds me of that one australian congresswoman that said all weapons were creations of sadism and evil while considering knives solely as weapons. did politicians never have to cook a meal for themselves?

Try using it properly then,I've never ever ever cut myself with a slip joint knife Because I'm not a moron.

reminds me of the anti gun stuff from america, i use this as a response.......spoons make people fat, pencils misspell words and guns kill people

@@SoSimonSays I was about to say that, I hope we never get that far gone

Same with guns ,but because governments legislate for hi intensity small amount of idiot population that deserve a Darwin award we all have to suffer

@@fabriglas yip,always the way

I tend to carry a knife of some kind for daily tasks (live on a farm and work in the woods/mountains) but I just have to have that extra level of awareness about what I am carrying and where.

Seriously. How the heck do people get on without carry a multi-tool. They are so damn useful for any little job that comes along.

did he really say that or are you tolling? Because that seems so American haha....much love from Texas

ClearSmashDrop even my sons who are all in the military are not allowed to carry a leatherman . the world has gone crazy .

You can do all that in the UK but you need a legal blade.

Michal Urban we can't straighten the politicians out because we aren't armed ... funny how it works

Hmmm... how's the cost of living in the Czech Republic?

Not allowed to carry any type of self defence weapon over here and the spray you get over here in the UK its not pepper spray its a criminal dye spray

There's an unholy alliance between Parliament and the Courts. Parliament passes a "common sense" law that is REALLY vague and open to interpretation and the police and courts butcher the law with the most asinine interpretations that clearly ignore what the law says to create a new law that is simply what a lawyer supposes the law is supposed to be. For example, the law that was passed by Parliament specifically allowed carrying of folding knives with no mention of whether they locked or not. BUT... when the prosecution got a hold of the law they argued "oh well, if the blade can lock then this folding knife isn't a folding knife". It's bonkers. Parliament knew that people carried folding knifes that may or may not lock so exempted them. But the courts ignored this logic and just insisted "no, if the blade locks then I can treat it as a non-folding knife" and with all their pomp and presumption of guilt they pile on defendants they could get a jury to convict anyone.

Not sure if you know this, but we have a massive problem with young people stabbing eachother. So these laws are a good idea.

it's not THAT bad here............ on a Sunday morning before 10 am.

+Sir Scofferoff u sure? u seen all the machetes, zombie knifes, flick knifes they be carrying

Oh so knives have a brain of their own and stab people. Grow up. The real problem is people. A knife is a inanimate object, a surgeon uses a knife to save peoples lives. Shall we ban surgeons to use knives, as knives have a brain of their own. They could end up killing patients.

@@cb7340 That is true, but that's just because they want them to look cool. They could just as easily use a kitchen knife.

@@londiniumarmoury7037 say that to the fucking stab wound in my stomach

Your argument applies perfectly to firearms too. It's the user, not the tool.

@@adamsteger8650 True, but in the case of a gun it can do considerably more damage to more people, which is why America has such a huge number of victims of gun crime. Guns are too readily available because their politicians don't have the power to restrict their sale and use. One gun can kill 50 people, try that with a knife and you will get two at most.

@@iamrocketray Depends. In a time before mass shooters there were serial killers. A gun can kill 50 in one night. A knife can kill 50 over a period of a few years. 50 dead people is still 50 dead. I don't believe guns are the main issue. The mentality of the people willing to murder should be the main focus. If you stick 10 normal, sane people in an armory full of loaded guns, no one will pick up one and murder someone. There is a mental sickness common among killers and if we can isolate that problem, we would all be safer.

@@adamsteger8650 I agree with you that people who kill are suffering a mental illness, but give them a knife and the odds are that they will only kill a few before being caught(DNA etc). Give them a semi-automatic or automatic gun and they can easily kill 50 plus in one go, same goes for a hand grenade but they are not legal are they? People with guns kill more people quicker than people with knives. thats why i think restrictions should apply to guns, BUT not outright bans like we have in the UK, where we are not allowed to defend ourselves or our families without breaking the law, thats crazy!

@@iamrocketray I do agree with you that everyone should have an inalienable right to protect themselves and their families. I also admit for that purpose a simple shotgun or revolver would suffice. The problem is that lawmakers don't know when to stop. Your country, for example, had a mass shooting in the 90s and then banned everything (including guns the shooter didn't use) except for a few select guns. If I'm correct, extensive checks and red tape is required for a single shot shotgun or rifle in the U.K, with no allowance to any type of handguns. Something similar happened to Australia during the same time period, I think. I've read stories about robbers breaking into homes in the UK, the homeowner grabbing a kitchen knife and defending themselves, then murder or attempted murder charges are brought upon the homeowner. Most Americans don't want this senerio. I apologize for being graphic, but I wouldn't want to have to hide and wait for police while my wife or daughter is being raped. Or if I took action I'm arrested for the murder of the rapist. You bring up a point about the hand grenade, however. They are illegal, yet people figure out how to make explosives. The Oklahoma City bombing, for example. In fact, the worst school massacre in American history took place in the 1920's. No guns were involved, only dynamite. Over 40 children and teachers dead. One man and some dynamite--not hard to replicate today. In fact, a man that knows the simple formula for black powder and has oil drums and a box truck could do much worse. Guns aren't the issue in my opinion, deranged people are.

Because your citizenry puts up with it and doesn't threaten not to re-elect these people. Y'all don't put up a fuss when you should.

Communism its communism!

It's all about control. Not safety or reducing crime. It's about increasing the power and control of the government.

@Amadeus Eisenberg Over our dead bodies... The U.S. has a culture rooted in revolution and resistance to tyranny. A bit of a rebellious streak too I suppose. They go for the guns first, them the knives are phase two.

Difference being is knife crime isn't from these type they are from literal kitchen knives and the fact anything and everything can be used as a weapon even your most basic things such as a pen or pencil even a ruler can be and they can't exactly ban knives completely since you need them in daily life for cutting food up and if they banned them all they'd have to get rid of everything else too

Thanks for taking the time to comment like that and share your experiences.

Why do you use the word bagged I can tell you just came from drill music

Difference with that is they will still be sealed and more or less concealed and out of sight of the public and as where UK law has that loop hole is if the reason is taking it to a shop for maintenance or if you're taking them home

You've evidently never been tried by twelve.

@@ComprehensiveContext Better than being in a ditch.

....are the words of corrupt murderous wannabe cops. Sorry pal, but THAT line has nothing to do with being an intelligent knife owner or a good AMERICAN police officer(where it originated) and is waaaay off topic as well.

@@ComprehensiveContext I have and I agree with him

we should have never been in the eu it was against the british constition and an act of treason by govenrment and the queen to sell our Sovereignty in 1972. the magna carter was an agreement between the king and the people to stop government from taking over the country and the people and can not be changed without the people and the queen agreeing and as the queen has commited treason all rights of the country are the peoples not government or the queens as she gave up her right in 1972. The European Communities Act 1972 - is a statute. It is unlawful because it is contrary to our constitution which guarantees our right to self-governance. Just because the political establishment refuses to acknowledge and obey our constitution and the rule of law - does not make them invalid. If they ignore our constitution and the rule-of-law then we have a right (and a duty) to ignore their statutes… all of their statutes… including the ones giving them the authority to tax us. Common law trumps statutes. Some in the legal profession have been heard to take a contrary view… but common sense tells us that common law is and must be superior. If a government passed legislation making itself permanent i.e. declaring itself a dictatorship (as Hitler did) - the people could act on their common law right to withdraw their consent to being governed - putting government back in its box - common law thus trumping a statute. (Common sense). Governments do not make, nor can they change laws. They make and change legislation. - Governments are not above the law (they clearly think they are) - but they can and do make themselves exempt from (i.e. they are above) the provisions of statutes. It is probable that because they know they are above statutes (which they are - they make them) that they have come to assume they are also above the law This demonstrates how important it is to know the difference.

Magna Carta - a Common Law document - came into being in 1215; a contract between the knights, barons, clergy, townspeople and the King. Magna Carta affirmed the right of the People to such things as trial by jury, and protection from excessive fines. In 1297 the Model Parliament confirmed Magna Carta in statute law. Much of this statute has since been repealed. Yet while Parliament can repeal or amend any Act of Parliament (statute), Parliament was not a party to the original Common Law contract, and cannot, therefore, amend or repeal it lawfully, and thus its original provisions remain intact.

it is our duty to step in and require the Monarch to uphold their contract with the people. Sovereignty lies with the people and the Monarch is bound by that oath to hold an out-of-control government to account.

Its about time the courts understood our laws

I'm starting to think the crown is derelict in their duties to its people.

Thanks for the kind words, and for subscribing - I'll try and include more Kernewek content for you :-)

agreed.

Piers are public places but fishermen are using knives there all day and night. Just make sure your not walking around with only a knife. A pack with cord,tarp,saw,cook kit and so on will all be evidence in your favour.

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Thank you kindly!

Was that in reply to me (Richard from the video), or to the commenters in general?

^^^^^ This.

Yeah, this happened to someone Weaponsanddstuffs93 knows. Heck, you can't even use a knife to defend yourself in your own home, like how Richard Osborne Brooks did in Hither Green. Brooks was fending off against two burglars while one of them was armed with a screwdriver. Unfortunately, for Brooks and his wife, they must leave their home after that incident.

Rob Carter lucky you

You're watching too many movies.

@Rob Cartesian fucking A right on same in south Italy UK is useless but wtf was guy doing in ya house at night in first place in UK he gets hurt you gets in prison its FUBAR 🙁🐺🐾💢💩

Yup after the ban shootings went up.

Glad you enjoyed it

that's the issue isn't it? It often comes down to the police officer who stops you, and whether they have to produce a ticket by the end of their shift or not!

What if it's in a backpack, and you're just out in public. Say walking through a park? Can you legally carry a larger knife in a kit/backpack?