2019 Pokémon World Championships: Pokémon TCG Masters Division Finals 

@CAl Gond HERESY

Clocks would make it a different format, like blitz in chess

even an hourglass would work lmao

Kid stacked his deck multiple times and still lost

@@mayhem-z9y That's not my point though. My point is that the player-shared time mechanic this world used was ineffective in my opinion and needed change.

@@mayhem-z9y Also any proof on him cheating in form of video link would be great.

use to play magic, never played pokemon tcg beyond that one gba color game. that rule seems pretty wack tho. especially in a final what a frustrating way to lose a match. in mtgo each player starts w 25 min? and if a player uses up their 25 min then they lose.

@@tacobellplease But that's MTGO: in paper Mtg there are warnings which may lead to a Game Loss for Slow Play. But those are only used during the timed parts of competitive events to prevent people from exploiting the clock, during finals there is no clock. He took a minute and a half (15:37 - 17:03) to make a game changing decision. That may seem like much, and as a judge I'd have encouraged him to play faster, but I wouldn't have enforced the penalty at such a high REL: it gives the game a bad reputation and makes it all seem pointless and less exciting for viewers and players alike. It's not like it took him five minutes either. Sure, he had already received a warning, and rules must be applied, but this may set a good precedent to change some of those rules.

CybeR Online I have literally no clue how to play TCG but I have an absolutely ridiculous amount of cards that I only have for collecting lol. How about you?

Lol I actually know what they are doing most of the time but sometimes I get confused

@@actualwuss I have a lot of cards and its actually really fun to play! And it's not that hard to learn if you ever want to play with your cards!😁

Yo take 2 Prizes for free.

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Well if he wasnt caught stacking his deck....ijs

Or tell the kid to not get caught stacking. I mean he has done it since 2016

I think a minimum 30 seconds should be allowed to think, a minute should be considered a warn, and at least a minute and 30 seconds should be a prize penalty... the time shouldn't add up for the warning and penalty.

The fact he was told repeatedly during the event to slow down because he was going so fast. It's biased and should be overturned. Henry may have played the game perfectly but he won on a technicality from interference from the official. So he should not be granted the title. Then the fact that they cut out the part where shintaro is on the floor in tears after thew match shows that pokemon does not care and knows they did wrong.

Ito cheated almost the whole game. Deck stacking

@@mayhem-z9y Proof? Timestamp? Literally anything except baseless accusations?

@@qualityarsenic3922 maybe if you wernt lazy and found your own info...oh yeah that's because you dont want to know the truth.

@@mikemarek6243 or maybe he's just comfused

Why what? Why they gave a penalty to a player who was violating the rule that penalty was made to enforce? Dude wa playing slow all weekend, was warned multiple times, and took more than 45 seconds(!!!!) To promote a pokemon when the given time frame is 5. Judges were more than lenient on him, you break a rule you get punished. How games are played. Whether it's right or not is a different debate, but the rule was broken, penalty has to be applied.

@@FriendOfOwlsAndTitans tbh I'm uncertain. I heard a few others reference 5, so assumed that was it for this one. Regardless he was over both those given time frames. Seems incredibly short given a finals, but rules is rules whether dumb or not.

Ito stacked his deck and still lost

@@mayhem-z9y also, that ^^

Mans was stacking hard I was Dying laughing

Can you link me the clip?

@@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494 Channel "Online Station" has an uncut livestream of the finals, if you don't mind the Taiwanese commentary.

@@fetty__ thank you I just saw it and it kinda sad

@@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494 Watch Dragon Ball FighterZ Finals Evo results reaction and you'll be lightened up :)

@@fetty__ ok lol

Yeah how dare he spend a minute and a half looking through the discard pile(s) and how dare he be given a prize penalty after being given multiple warnings of slow play by judges.

Delay of game. Just like it's a penalty in football, it's a penalty in pokemon

@matthew can you quit white knighting for the judge? they told him to slow down.

@@ProphecyPhrase are you stupid or something lol, that was literally the worst call especially when he didn't take that much time with 60 mins still left in the game, would be different if there was like 20 min left but it wasnt so these judges suck

@@hayaisupra LOL those 60 minutes are for the 3 games of that one round. Best out of 3 dude.

Hahaha

Judge Vmax

Oh so the judges should be blamed for just doing their job? Shintaro was given multiple warnings for slow play and he was given enough warnings to be given a prize penalty. How do you spend a minute and a half looking through the Discard Pile(s) before bringing up a new Active Pokemon? There are no problems. The only problem are silly comments like yours that are clearly written in a hurried rant without getting all the information first and thinking clearly.

Matthew Breach where are the multiple slow play warning bro which matches ?those are not about slow play

@@johnnyli7628 Not all matches were streamed, but Shintaro did get a slow play warning in his previous match against Tord, assuming I've been informed correctly, and presumably in several off-stream games too. During that minute and a half, the Judge does also warn Shintaro that he's playing slowly, but that only counts for a much shorter time than Shintaro seems to be wasting.

@@johnnyli7628 29 minutes in the commentors say the warning against tord, there's your evidence of a warning, so saying "fake rumors" and what not is wrong.

@@lucarr1041 at 29:00 the commentors Basically say the same thing...

Not really. He got given multiple warnings for slow play and yet he still continued to slow play which led to the prize penalty. The judges were doing their job. How do you spend a minute and a half just looking through the discard before bringing up a new Active?

Matthew Breach the judges and translator talked to him for 1 minute within the 1minute half checking bro

The judges should have penalized Shintaro way before the final match for his other mistakes. If i’m not mistaken, he evolved a newly benched poipole in the same turn in top 4 match against Tod Reklev.

@@Ohboyohboyohboy I wouldn't necessarily hold evolving the same turn against him. It could have just been a lapse in concentration that unfortunately wasn't caught at the time. atleast this time when he nearly attached a second energy in a turn, it was caught and resolved quickly.

@matthew the judges told him to slow down bro.

8.4.1 will be a hot topic in many TCG events for 2020.

@@Ghostrider6A Quite honestly, it really should of been a hot topic way sooner then next year. The penalty for slow play just seems super inconsistent on when the judges decides to enforce it for a lot of years. Sometimes it is very clear that a player is trying to stall out the match to force a draw and the player gets off with a warning while in this match, Shintaro is just trying to think through clearly on what to promote with judges constantly intervening and slowing it down even further and he gets slammed with slow play. There really needs to be more consistency on enforcing the rules at all rounds and levels with the penalty enforced way before the finals.

@@Ghostrider6A Hi, it's me from the future. I can assure you that 8.4.1 wasn't that big of a deal at Events in 2020 👀

​@@D4mnisso funny looking through these comments and seeing how many people don't understand what lead to that penalty. Shintaro already had MULTIPLE warnings for slow play prior to the final as well as a couple cheating accusations. The judges call was correct, slow play is inappropriately unpunished and I wish I had a judge with me each time I came across a player that played this slow.

I call bullshit he cheated several times. Judges had enough

@CAl Gond he was staking his deck using illegal shuffling techniques.

@CAl Gond in 2016 through now he got penalized for stacking his deck then in other games this year he got penalized for taking up to 2 minutes to play a card....not taking time to think but waste time. This was the culmination of everything before

Mf’s always want to cry racism. It’s an asian game bro. If the judges were racist then they wouldn’t be there. Smh

Sucks to lose even when you cheat right

@Ash Swaggy in the last 8, shintaro evolves a poipole he placed in the same turn in a match against zakary

Darcry gx

Bro he lost he's gonna feel bad you know idiot

Thx for not spoiling it🙏

Was Emery

@the best youtuber Emery dead drawing was the worst final this year

Guys you don't get it, that's mew&mewtwoGX's perfection ability to copy any move, he copied the judge's attacks for this match

Game 2 in the Masters Finals 2016 was also extremely painful to watch

@@ErroTheCube Cause Cody's hand was really bad?

BaNaNa rx

True, shintaro prob would've won

@Poké Kid actually yes shintaro wouldve won if no prize penalties happened blowns gx vs mew3 is a known horrible matchup on that format

true. Shintaro had that warning on the previous round.

@@RobertBrianGabriel Japanese player in Juniors Final got the same warning, too. I feel like it was probably pretty common amongst JP players due to cultural differences. Tragic that contributed to the ruling in game 1.

Opponent can shuffle The deck so I do not think this rule even make sense

Exactly

Uhm. What???

It was pure shock in the center. Twitter blew up on it too. People were even more surprised when I told them it was for slow play.

He had nothing to do with anything that happened but okay.

I don't think you understand...

@@bumblebeetunayoutube3711 I know you were using hyperbole, I was just responding too literally.

Also, it's funny because there is an actual pokemon card called judge.

@@bumblebeetunayoutube3711 I know I've played for a few years. Shuffle draw 4 both P

Nocturne989 where the crap was tords in the top 8

Won't forget that the judge always stop Shintaro from playing and ask for video checking on whether ultra conversion is used or not, EVERY SINGLE TIME when the ability is being used

Please do not spread false messages shintaro did not get slow play warning but shuffling warning

@@klau1001 at least he got second

Ability - Auto Win

He might be if he stopped slow playing. :P

Umm.. He was slow playing and this wasn't the first time he had done it this tournament. It shouldn't take 1 minute and 30 seconds to look through the discard pile(s) and then bring up a new Active Pokemon. 30 seconds maybe but nearly a minute and a half? Nah, no way. As this is the finals of Masters we're talking about here, the judges need to be strict in order to be fair. Not to mention how Shintaro had been given multiple warnings by various judges throughout the event to play at a more faster pace and yet he still continued to play slow, thus leading to the prize penalty. The penalty wasn't put on Shintaro unfairly, it was put on him as a result from the many warnings he had been given. This was all said by the commentators. That's why he got given the 2 prize penalty.

X&Y switch

He cheated several times in the tournament. Even stacking his deck in the final

I agree with a visible time but the machine is unnecessary, after shuffling the deck is handed to the other play to shuffle or cut and once both players are happy it is fine, the judge should not have called him on stacking/poor shuffling.

They're just doing their job and besides Shintaro had been given multiple warnings about slow play and yet he still slow played.

Matthew Breach how do you define slow play his opponent played slower than him

@@johnnyli7628 His opponent didn't take a whole minute on a relatively simple choice like promoting a pokemon though

It wasn’t them ending the match. It was them giving a two prize penalty, when all that was needed to be taken was two prizes.

Scott Elder one prize penalties do not exist at tournaments.

They used to do one prize penalties, but the problem is they can be gamed. Ie, if you only have pokemon that offer 2 prizes upon knockout, you can purposefully take a 1 prize penalty and then play a card that is more powerful while you are behind, though in reality, your opponent still has to make the same number of KOs.

He was given multiple warnings throughout the event for slow play. The commentators said in the video that he had enough warnings for the prize penalty.

Shintaro must be think in advance who would put in the active next, like what I did

Matthew Breach please do not spread false message there is no slow play warning previously

@@johnnyli7628 please do not spread false message, he was literally given a slow play warning after he'd taken longer than usual

@@johnnyli7628 Yes there was. He had multiple slow play warnings throughout the tournament.

I informed Kyle of the exact rule after the stream. 8.4.1 is the rule associated with slow play. (I'm a VG judge, but I had to look it up in the TCG rulebook.)

@@Ghostrider6A Thank you for letting me know, I appreciate it.

After his defending pokemon was defeated, he had to decide which pokemon to promote from his bench. Which one he chose could have decided the game depending on his hand and the card he draws. However this was cut short by the judges deciding he took too long to promote a new pokemon, and in combination with penalties and warnings in previous rounds the judges decided to deliver a 2 prize card penalty. This gave the game to Henry as he only needed to win 2 more prize cards to win that game.

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