@@danielerlandsson3965 There will be a Flat 6. The mass model must be a little 4 banger today because of the emission standards and on top now the WLTP Test which kills the Noise of the car also. More weight thanks to more filters in the exhaust. The time of good sounding cars is running out. Sad but true ...
@@danielerlandsson3965 The T Model and the GT Models with a Flat 6 was always in the plan. The poor Sales are going on for years in that sector of little Sportscars. All the brands have to deal with that.
You also can’t get that delightful short shift kit on the a regular MT Cayman or Boxster; it’s a very different feel with the standard setup, and to me, an important part of the T’s appeal. I don’t recall if I heard you mentioning it, but the seats are also an extra cost upgrade if you want o have them on a regular (or an S) Boxster or Cayman.
I am not sure if it is Autocar's video quality; but I think this 718 T sounds pretty good actually. I think if you wanted a new car with warranty you must be at least prepared to disregard how good they used to sound.
doesn't bother me at all, and I've owned 5 flat-6 Porsches; loved them all, and there's no issue as to which sounds better. But again, I quite enjoy this car's sound mated to a manual, and people acting like anything in flat-6 layout is the Second Coming need to stop kidding themselves. This motor cleans up vs. the last 2.7l base motor, and has nothing to be ashamed of vs. a 9A1 S or even GTS version, in terms of performance. The short shift setup in the T is an absolute delight to use, just like my 981 Spyder; in fact, I assume it's the same hardware.
As a current 2016 WRX owner, and a prospective Cayman owner, I’m divided on the sound and power. I’ve found the WRX to be plenty powerful for public roads, and the base Cayman has more power. However, I’d also love an upgrade to the sound if I’m going to be paying twice the price of my current turbo 4. This of course does not account for everything else the Porsche will do better than the Subaru.
Carlitox b I think the problem is the previous gen was possibly one the best sounding 6pot NA engines, especially for its price point! I personally would want a more pleasing sound for cost as it’s all part of the experience. It’s a gem of a engine tho just terrible sound
@@carlitoxb110 No doubt the engine is great, that is not the problem. As Lee said, the previous flat 6 was such an amazing engine, making a lovely N/A noise. When you buy a premium car, you don't want an 2l 4 cylinder engine that is literally found in almost all hot hatches ( golf r, s3, A45, and so on). A 6 cylinders is always smoother, and more classy, as well as sounding better and revving higher.
I think it sounds pretty decent from inside actually.. It's not the sound that puts me off a 4 cylinder usually, it's the vibrations. But I guess with this being a boxer it's quite smooth? Sounds quite naturally aspirated subaru - an old fashioned thrum.. It's not the 4 cylinder bit that robs it of top end "specialness", it's the turbo bit. They could've got that 300bhp from a 2.5 4 cylinder... And I wonder if it would be any less efficient..
@@all-flat-engines but then you get a nose heavy understeerer. Honestly, people who suggest a modfied golf over a mid engine low center of gravity, lighter weight, rwd sports car aren't driving enthusiasts.
You learn drive round flat spots, it’s a minor thing,and as you said it’s got plenty power, loads of torque, and it sounds like what it is, a tuned 4 cylinder, the noise wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me, if you want a better sound?, go to an exhaust company, you might find out though that it would be more noisy at a cruise pace.
Peter Cavellini exhaust still doesn’t sound as good as a stock flat six cayman. The 718 is brilliant on the track, but I still prefer my older cayman and current cayman over this. Hopefully, the new gt4 corrects this
A good looking, fine handling car. But ever since they dropped that wonderful normally aspirated flat-6, I’ve lost a lot of interest in it. The Cayman with that flat-6 for many years was my favorite sports car on the market. The handling balance/price point combo together with that engine made it unbeatable IMHO. I would of chosen it over even a 911 back then. Not anymore unfortunately. The new 911 on the over hand seems fantastic! They seemed to have nearly eliminated all turbo lag now, and the new interior design is great. The first 911 interior that I’ve actually liked. Going back to the Cayman/Boxster range, I’m doubtful of its future going forward, they’ve really lost that magic with the turbo 4 pot engine.
Why pay $77K for a flat-four? For the price of this flat-four turbo, I could pick up two Subaru STI flat-four turbo; one for commuting and one for track days!
Yes, for $77k you can buy a NA, V8 Lexus RCF. Admittedly is a grand tourer vs. a true sports car BUT the sound of the V8 is intoxicating compared to this thrashing 4 pot.
I could buy 7 used Fiesta but I won’t. You buy a Porsche 718 for the best handling mid engined sports car money can buy. It beats the old 981 in every criteria except sound. It handles better, is faster both 0-60 and on track, more usable power whenever you want it (you don’t have to wait until 5,500 revs before you have any torque! It looks better, has 911 brakes and suspension (in the S) oh and did I mention in quicker than a base 911. Don’t worry about the noise as you won’t hear it as you would be miles back down the road.
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Sorry but no. First of all bring back 6 cyl Porsche engines to Caymam/Boxster. Second of all T should stand for really basic car with no options to choose from beside paint. Everyting for much cheaper price than other versions of 718.
lots and lots of people that love cars will never ever buy an electric car (me for example and all my family). It's just a totally different kind of machine. When buying a sports car, with my well earned money, i'm looking for a sound, an engine, an experience, a chasis and a mechanical simphony that has his own soul. That's why petrol cars will never die. No matter new laws, electric future...what it matters is what custumers are ready to pay for, and real petrol heads will always be PETROL heads. Electrics cars can be used for who wants to use them for everyday use, and they also contaminate with nuclear residues and in many other ways. If they want to stop contamination, killing the best engines and sports cars is really not the way! They can start by looking at hevy industry that really really contaminates. And planes? They don't contaminate with the kerosene? Why they don't also stop them? We are where we are thanks to internal combustion engine...and now they wanna kill it? yeah wright. That's the same that 'using' the people to work all life, then when they are old and useless to work, you don't give them medicines because they cost money and you just let them die...and you replace them with new and young people, or maybe electric robots... There is place for everything, it's not the way to be so radical, it will never work to impose stupid laws.
@@albertmarin2501 I agree I love the cars of today but there are always more restrictive regulations, now they want to get rid of diesels maybe in the near future they will ban combustion engines all together from cars.
@@purplefabian In China, Russia, , etc. nobody gives a damn. VW group will be still selling non-electric cars in countries that value economic growth. Once the West notices the threat we will get back our engines, don't you worry.
By taking away the flat 6, Porsche changed the soul of Cayman. What a shame. Certainly accomplished their goal of further separating the Cayman from 911.
Nice video. With reference to the 'sound it makes' - I'd argue it's absolutely integral to the overall driving experience and so would have to score it down.
TRUE STORY: Pulled up in my 2009 Porsche Cayman S and parked next to a 2018 Cayman. Complimented the owner on how great his Porsche was and how I would love the Gen 3! He looks at me and says "I wish I never bought it, your 2009 is way better than mine will ever be." I drove away thinking "i'll keep this car forever!" Never, ever buy a 2 litre Porsche!
The Alpine is a much better prospect for the money. The engine note is, for me, 7/10th the experience - it’s what you have when you’re not blasting it along. I think I’d enjoy a quick go in this for the drive experience but that noise is a big no from me
It sounds like a Honda, and this is coming from someone with an S2000. I appreciate the engine noise in my S2000 because the Honda is so much less refined, however in a Porsche, I would expect different.
The 4 cylinder makes the M2 comp an obvious decision for me, I know the Cayman is a sharper and more focussed tool but that M2 is just, well, so much fun!
Coming from the Glorious sounding 2.7 Flat 6; how could they have made such a bad sounding engine? No wonder they're coming back to a Six Cylinder for the 718. (Besides the GT4-Spyder)
It sounds awesome as far as 4-cylinder engines go. If sound of the car is so important to you why didn't you get V8 AMG for the price and got fart sounding 2.7 flat instead? It's the same money as V8 C63S ! So, Why??? Why settled for farty V6 when you could have awesome V8???? Unless you don't care as much about sound, you just want feel good that you didn't upgrade to 718.
@@paulb7207 Paul, Obviously you' have no money to afford any of these cars. The fact that you use the word "farty V6" proves that even further. Boxsters never had V6 engines. You've never been in Porsche with a NA Flat-6 much less driven one. Thus, You aren't qualified to have an opinion on this topic. Do yourself a favor... get a job save up some cash and enjoy a nice car.
One reason is that you like a lightweight sports car and not a heavy muscle car. Also, the MB AMG only comes with an automatic, so it's not as much fun to drive.@@paulb7207
Had the pleasure of driving the previous gen then also the 718 2.0 & 2.5L they 718 is sooo much more switched on and direct, the extra torque really helps with day to day driving. But your 100 right..... 6pot NA FTW! Preferably a GTS! Watch this space tho... iv heard a flat 6 with blowers could be on the cards... 😉
I have a 2007 Cayman S and absolutely love it. Why did Porsche put a 4 cylinder engine in the new car? If anything the car could use little more power. Did a lot of Cayman drivers complain about the NA 6 cylinder?
@@maxpowers3732 I know what you mean, it's rubbish. Emission standards say a small 4 cylinder will perform better in a lab test... and be inefficient when pushed. This world has gone mad :)
@@nessuno5403 Definitely! These are not high volume cars that get a lot of miles. They are designed to be fun to drive. I'm not going to buy a new one until it has a 6 cylinder.
You may want to get your head around the strict emission laws that car manufacturers have to abide by. Alternatively you could buy the GT3... on Forza for you at least ;)
Should have added one other mod to guarantee sales success and make it a veritble sports car icon like the 911; the delete 4cyl option for in-line 6 cyl motor.
Like majority of people, not having the glorious sound of the 6 cylinder engine is a big let down. But as it's a great drivers car, I would forgive it. Not sure about the power though.... a bit embarracing that a civic type R has more power than this Porsche. Overall I'd give it a 7/10
@@vip_supercars3652 Understood, so you are buying the 718 GT4 when it launches then haha - It will be a long wait after the initial customers take them all and then start putting them back on the market for a huge markup. I have the 981 GT4 and that 6 cylinder example is plenty good enough for me
I would take the Alpine A110 over the 718 any second of any day. None of them have great sounding engines, judging by the videos we all watch, but at least the A110 is a light and VERY cool looking throwback to an amazing car, it sounds less crap than the Porsches, and is a lot more likable. ..and if i couldn't get a hold of an A110, i'd take the TTRS over the 718. It may not be as great a handler, but in everyday life you at least get a great engine.
Pure marketing nonsense. Why not take significant weight out? This is essentially a salesman offering you a little bit of money off after you've specced a few options, not worthy of the 'T' designation.
Niandra I agree moreover i won’t spend those money for a new car that is actually a 2015-2016 model year project with just the -20mm option compared to a used Cayman with similar specs
@@mrt.789 It has not only 20mm lowered option (PASM), but also a few other options: differential, sport chrono, dynamic engine mounts, sport seats (sport-tex), 20" rims, etc. The idea is that if you want these options anyway, you will save money if you go with the T model. And these options are insanely expensive to start with, you're looking at 5k usd / euro just for rims and seats alone. So if someone wants these options in the first place, they can get them in the package for less money. And then have a few little things added that aren't on the options lists (like the PASM that is lower than regular 718, or the dynamic engine mounts). For the resale this may keep value better too. They have a small allocation of just three 'T' models at my dealership.
Porsche claim 4.7 for the standard Cayman and they tend to be conservative(5.1?), for £53000 you can get an S with another 50bhp? Know which I'd have if I could afford either.
Anyone who buys this car is mad. It's structurally flawed. The CAST aluminium strut towers are too weak. Multiple cars are failing now. Huge cost to repair. VAG input has ruined Porsche in my opinion. Don't touch it unless you're insane!!!
Arthur Kirakosyan People who continue to complain two years later are just numb brained puppets who are just repeating the same nonsense because it’s “cool”.
blueberrycobbler well 2 years later and theres still no sound, so if you are comparing the 718 to the old 981, you just have to complain about that. I bet the new one drives perfectly, but the sound gives you that unique porsche feeling. The 718 sound like the golf gti and its embarrassing for all porsche fans.
Thanks for the video, Dan on point, always. Second time Autocar has spliced official Porsche AG footage of the exterior with Autocar-shot interior footage. We do notice, and it detracts.
@@blueberrycobbler I got 2 mins into this review and gave up on it, the sound of that engine. The previous gen 981 was it? That was the best Cayman yet, it had it all, looks and the sound. If i could afford a car like this i'd buy the BMW M2 comp no question.
They made it 4 cylinder thinking everyone would get on board with their old racing car heritage & also because of the Asian markets... the Asian markets crashed & no one wanted an over £50k 4 cylinder sports car that sounded like a van. At the end of the day one of the most important parts of a sports car is the sound it makes. Anything with over 300hp - 350hp (oops it doesn't even have that) and relatively lightweight is quick enough for fun driving so after that it's all about dynamics and sound and if the sounds bad it doesn't matter how well the car drives you would still feel a little ashamed everytime you parked next to a 911 or an M car or an AMG or something with some balls about it.
I think the sound of the 718 flat 4 turbo is that in isolation it sounds pretty great in all honesty for a 4 cylinder car. The problem with the sound is that Porsche had that flat 6 sounding so exceptional that everything is going to be a downgrade, even if its actually not in most terms.
Hyundai Veloster N has 275 hp and sounds better... for $30K. IMO you only buy a Porsche if you loaded it with options, like full leather interior, that's what separates it from other sports cars, refinement.
It doesn't sound that bad to Me,But maybe I'm bias because I own a S-GT.And you Porsche guys love your Flat 6's,and I like them too.But flat 4's are cool as well.
The Cayman, Boxster is probably the best driver's sports car, this T is gonna be popular but it's a parts bin package car just like all the GTS. Porsche know how to make a variant of a variant and it works.
I would brand the T cars as the naturally aspirated better value version of the Cayman/Boxter/Carrera. The 918 optional seats, lightweight glass, door pulls, lack of stereo, short throw shifter four-wheel steer (not sure if that's optional on the cayman as well as the carrera) and other exclusive options for the T cars are beautiful; The addition of a naturally aspirated motor, priced below the base/turbo model, would completely justify the lack of power, mitigate anyone's confusion of why they need to buy the T over the base, and make clear where these cars fit in with the rest of the family
Sound is still a very important factor for buyers and I’m included in that bunch. Not paying that much for a Prius sounding car when I can get a corvette with imo the best sounding v8.
Rather than name it as a new model just offer as a pack that you add to the base model. That's all it is really. A pack at a cheaper than individual price. Porsche marketing guys are stroking it with big grins!
Not sure if I can feel 25Kg difference; but Ive tried 718GTS and it was a hell alot of fun; it was even PDK although I like manuals; but it was lighting fast I couldnt complain
Blue 203 You wouldn’t unless you couldn’t afford the GTS. GTS is the same car with better brakes, cooler trim and real power. $65k for a 2.0 4 banger with 300 hp is a joke.
porsche should have stuck with a six turbo and still 2.0. people pay top dollar for porsche yet they want to cut cost with a 4. a 6, if its stroked the same as a 4 giving the same piston speed will behave just a like a 4 in both performance and fuel efficiency it is just that it would be more expensive to make...yet sound a lot better....someone in porsche needs to face a firing squad
Sorry this car is a joke. Engine sound just drone drone drones. Porsche should be ashamed and 50k for a 2 litre 4 cylinder. I guess Porsche have a lot of 718 cars they need to rebadge and shift, so someone in marketing came up with the T. Is that T for Tedious engine sound? For the same money you can buy a 2015 Cayman 981 GTS. Newer is certainly not better.
What Autocar can't comment on is the appalling Porsche build quality.....My 2 month old GTS (yes the engine does sound like a bag of spanners) left the factory with a 'smooth' leather interior wrinklier than Norah Batty's wrinkliest of wrinkled stockings and an interior which is in the process of rattling itself to pieces, all within 800 miles. The manufacture's response?......Take it up with your dealer, your contracts with them - (technically correct)
The slow 6 speed is slowing this car down. A proper PDK would make it much more faster. When you let off the accelerator pedal to shift, the Turbo is off boil.
