Coming from a current owner, as he said any potential buyer should wait for the new gen. And I don't think Subaru will stray away from the OG formula considering how conservative they have been. From what I've gathered from spy websites, next gen WRX will closely resemble the all new JDM levorg (which is not a bad thing at all) However, the fact remains, this is still the absolute performance bargain for around 26k. Just keep in mind that you are not going to get any fancy interior or tech/creature comforts with the current gen (matter of fact those are crappy) so if that bothers you, you should definitely wait for the next gen. But what you are getting is more than enough power, a simple yet robust AWD system, and a family approved practical car with huge community and aftermarket support. Also knowing that these have high resale value/used market demand will let you sleep better at night if you have to take out a loan to purchase the car like most of us do lol.
@@Embarrassed4U I could care less. I want to have a vehicle I enjoy not one I have to constantly justify because of how ass it looks. U can keep the 2.4 with more capability for tuning etc idgaf lol. In the real world nobody cares about that shit but car nerds(which I am) and keyboard warriors.
The near total lack of (new) safety technology has been a plus, to me. I've just never been a fan of it. I feel like, to some degree, it encourages drivers to actually be less safe, less attentive. The real world R&D is still too young for me to engage with it all. (That read kinda weird, sorry.) I will concede, though -- my neck and lower back thank the backup camera.
Recent stats are saying like 30-40% disable a lot of the safety features on modern cars because they are so intrusive and audible. They cost way more and are so annoying.
@@therunningman8692 I’ll never be the one to get the first year of a new gen. I get the last year. At least for custom project performance cars like the wrx.
I have a 2015 WRX Limited with 83k miles and running strong! I live in downtown Bellevue, so I'm familiar with the areas you are filming in Ryan. I love driving a manual, but with technology I'm not that sad that the manual might be going away, like you said we shall see what Subaru decides to do. I can't wait to see the new WRX, I might be getting one if I like it enough.
Makes me want to wait for the new one, Ryan. But, as we all know 1st year production of anything electrical is not the best idea.. Currently own a '17 WRX Premium..
@Jan Mizak You're gonna regret the CVT!!! That is unless you have injuries or personal life issues that stop you from driving stick, then, enjoy that CVT.
Love the 2020 WRX. Fun daily driver and can fit your family. Hits higher revs faster than STI which makes it a fun daily, but sti is obviously the choice when it comes to the track. Downside is trunk space (for family) can't put kids bikes in the back. And the rev hang is so annoying if you want to launch it or drive fast. Note the rev hang is NOT noticable if you are daily driving and shift a little slower. Personally I would get this WRX 2020 instead of the next gen because we all know how the 1st year of current Gen had issues to work out. 2020 WRX is perfect as it's the last year before the switch. And people complaining about the color, just get the classic WRX blue for cheap and mod the heck out of it to your desired look. This ceramic white with the red brembos and bronze rims look really amazing in person
I picked up a 2020 WRX STI Series.White for not much more than the WRX - and I love it. I had a 2019 WRX (which was OK...except for that rev hang), and I think the STI is just as compliant on asphalt as was the WRX. Those Bilstein dampers are very good.
@@Kiss__Kiss Sure. I loved my 2011 WRX. It was a daily driver of about 75 miles round trip through curvy hills and a touch of highway. However, it was closing in on 120k miles, the power steering was a persistent issue, the suspension was in need of repair, and I feared a head gasket failure as the motor was slowly starting to consume my coolant. Additionally, loading up 4 kids daily to take to school/daycare was a headache each morning and felt like trying to wedge everyone into a miniature clown car. I figured the Outback had more rear hip room for car seats, leg room for my children as they grow, more cargo capacity, better creature comforts, the ability to tow, and a similar engine that puts out better mpg with regular unleaded instead of premium. The 2020 Touring XT came with Nappa seats (which are awesome!), ventilated front seats (can't tell they work at all), slightly better mpg (avg 26.5mpg), fuel savings of about $65 per month (due to inc. mpg and dec fuel price), steering responsive LED headlights (unbelievably fantastic on curvy roads at night), Eye Sight, and the best looking center console Subaru has ever released (which is horribly glitchy, a pain in the butt, hard to use while driving, resets/turns off occasionally for no known reason, and the biggest overall reason I'm considering switching vehicles again.) I can not sum up this last part any better then this... I hate hate hate hate hate this center console, the glitches, the slow processing, the interface, the lack of physical buttons, and the cumbersome process of turning off the auto start stop. It does however have the ability to update, so I am just hanging in there hoping Subaru pulls their head out of their tailpipe and creates a new and better software version to use. I would also be remiss if I didn't mention the "fun" factor. The WRX is fun. Pure and simple fun. The exhaust note... The bolsters holding you as you corner... The press of your seat when you accelerate... The feeling that you could have gone faster if you had wanted to (that the car could handle it). The Outback offers none of this to me. It's comfortable, yes, very much so. It's quite. The stereo is better. There is more room. The headlights don't suck. But I also no longer look forward to my drive. It can't corner like the nimble WRX, it doesn't accelerate well due to it's CVT, basically, it's not fun like my WRX was. Instead of a daily experience, my drive is now a simple commute. A very comfortable yawn.
Alex Todd Thank you for that awesomely detailed response. Our 2017 is great as well, although silent(Sure you can add an exhaust but still doesn’t have that rumble), it gets better gas mileage than any of our old EJ series engines. But I wholeheartedly understand what you mean about missing that raw, exhilarating experience. I almost want to go back to a 2004-2007 GD Chassis STI. As far as a SW Update to the ICE? If it was me, I’d skip because at the end of the day, it sounds like you have already made up your mind, and a SW Update won’t change your mind 100% Good Luck, Sir. Let us know, what you end(ed) up doing.
In 2018 90% of WRXs were sold with a manual. It wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of it for the next generation. What I thought was interesting is 78% of BRZs sold with a manual, but only 33% of 86s did. Subi people just love manuals I guess.
One reason I've considered a WRX (and its much slower relative, the Crosstrek) is the lack of in-your-face tech in both vehicles. Less crap to distract and annoy the driver and fail out of warranty. I test drove both and found them both refreshingly clean and simple compared to everything else out there. Frankly, if Subaru goes all-in on the tech and drops the manual, it will join a crowded field of expensive, tech-laden, automatic cars that are just as fast, get better fuel economy, and are more comfortable. At that point, I'd rather go full-on cheap and save my money, or opt for a GTI which still has a manual transmission and can have some of the more annoying stuff turned off with VCDS.
Just bought a new 2020 WRX with Perfomance Package. Im not all about the new tech and safety features all these new cars got. I got it because its still simple and mechanical in nature. One with the driver. The last of a dying breed. #savethemanuals
After driving my '19 base for 11 months, I've come to the conclusion that going limited trim or this series.white is the better way to go. Even though all trims suffer from most of the same flaws, these two trims would make them less noticeable/more tolerable. My base isn't bad, just a bit bland. My only aversion to the series.white is the color; don't want a white car.
I test drove both a VA STI and WRX. The WRX felt soft but great throttle. The STI felt more precise but no power at lower revs. Then I disover the Series.White. perfect... Added an intake ,TMIC and exhaust. then e30 tuen and burble. So un to drive and listen too.
In 2022, we find out the new WRX has a 2.4 litre motor and it has almost exactly the same horsepower and the same torque as this model. It has manual and CVT transmissions. But the biggest news is that there isn't going to be a new STi, in its current form. The new STi will be an electric car, available in a few years time.
With the absolute 360 view you get in a WRX base model. If you have ANY ability to rotate your neck, and have been taught to make head checks a routine part of driving before changing lanes, then blind spot or side view monitoring is redundant for a driver of a drivers car? Thoughts?
You can get the eye sight on the limited model as a add-on or on all CVT models. I don't get why subaru doesn't just offer it other than pushing people to purchase the more expensive models.
No way they are getting rid of the manual. We all know Subaru is glacial when it comes to change. It's the same reason why there's no turbo on the Crosstrek. Does it sell as is with a manual? Yes? Then that's how you'll get it for the next 5 years. Like you said, it's cheaper for them to just keep using the current 6MT. I'll even go so far as to say the WRX will be the last car you can buy on earth with a stick ten years from now. The generation after this next one? That might be a bit more up in the air.
I love the 2020 WRX. I think clutch engagement in the manual is a little vague and the price tag is high, but that is about it for complaints. I fear you are correct about the upcoming WRX new generation. I won't even consider it if it has Driverfocus camera or a CVT only offering, I'm done with Subaru. It's clear it has lost any engineers that know how to dog sports car so I don't have high hopes
I had a 2016 wrx, fun car but needed something bigger with growing family. Safe to say subaru still cheapen out on the interior. Nothing really has changed over all on the vehicle compared to the 2016 model I had.
Wish we had this model in the UK. Looks much better without the big fin on the WRX STI, and the only ones you can buy here now are second hand as Japan are not sending us any more :(
I don't know what the "last manual wrx" bit is about. Most WRX's and all STi's (obviously) sold are manual , I do not see this going to a CVT only car in the US.
It would be sad to lose the manual, but if it has to happen maybe they can doctor the 6 AT from the BRZ since they are setting up EyeSight for that model anyway.
Apparently these cars hit 0 to 60 at 6 seconds which is quite depressing considering that it's a sti and has a crazy increase in price due to it being a limited model
Idk man, based solely on dealer volume in my area (Los Angeles area) the inventory volume split between manual and CVT WTX's is like 80/20% best case. I dont see how Subaru would go from selling the volume of manual WRX's they're putting on dealer lots now and basically throw all that away next year. I mean even the Impreza with the base and sport trim still gets a manual and that's on their global platform.
... Well, if cvt WRX don't sell in volumes, Subaru will keep the production in favor of the manual transmission. 6spd WRX out perform cvt WRX in sales and have so for years.
I jumped on the sti series white because of the fear of what they might mess up in the next gen... Im hopeful it will be great but I am not sure. Subaru isnt a die-hard performance company in the us market, in my opinion that will be detrimental to the authenticity of the next generation.
There's no way they wouldn't offer a manual WRX for the next generation, take rate for the U.S., Canada and Australia hovers around 90%. The WRX enthusiast who overwhelmingly buys WRX's wouldn't do it.
No sir. I have a 2019. Had the one of the Cam Sprockets replaced under warranty here in Ontario and they replaced the ECU with a 2020 model. Believe it was P0016 for the diag code. Rev hang issue MUCH better for 20, even over the 2019. Hope this helps.
the new wrx is apparently not going to be manual at all. This is just what I have read not what may happen but if it does well that means prior gens will be worth more money down the road
@@tdub25 haha yes - thanks I knew that but also, sorry for not being more clear - I meant an LSD in the rear instead of an open diff. I know, STi has front and rear if you want to upgrade.... But I'm dreaming about the days when my 2001 Legacy GT Limited had an (v) LSD in the rear and it was a lot more fun than my friends 2001 Legacy (non-GT, no LSD) and even my current 2016 Outback 3.6R. The inside wheel braking is great for handling for the avg person but it's not the same :)
Im definitely waiting till the next one comes put before a myriad of decisions related to what I spend money is made. If the car takes a horrendous detour to catering to people who need their hands freed up for their; I had hormone transition therapy, latte' palms, then im going to say im done with wrxs from the 2021+ and will just mod or fully rebuild from the current platform. Will have to wait. Don't do what audi and Nissan have done to ruin ao much of what makes driving a great experience if you want my business, but I guess we'll have to see how many people who like to brag about the numbers in the right side of the decimals think won't we.
Any australian viewers here? I plan to buy a 2020 subaru wrx premium auto. But dealerships are asking 56k and its already december. What should be the right price for these during december. Please someone reply. Thanks
Keep in mind that Subaru already struggles selling the BRZ because of the authoritarian eco laws mandating low CO2. So they might not be able to sell WRX on many markets. That will mean even less R&D money. Either vote for different politicians or get used to PHEV.
@@kennetheisenhut1679 nope. wrong. try again. the wrx/sti are still based on economy cars. some the parts on the new sti will be carried over to save costs the engine in the new wrx/sti is massed produced for the ascent. it might have some scarcity the first year because of hype and that will drive up price but a base wrx sti is 38k. the new one maybe 41k for the base and 46 to 47k for the limited. well see. though. a drunk drvier hit my wrx last sunday so im not sure about trading in now. it was just clipped but im not sure how much the re sale be now. the dealer is fixing though.
@@jameskocks4734 yes they are economy based vehicles and the WRX will remain that way as much as possible. But with no change from 2020 to 2021 model there was still a $250 increase on all models. You may not see a huge spike on the WRX base - limited but on the new STI I think the base model will be $40K+ and 44-45K for limited STI. I have a 2013 WRX and looking to trade in for STI and been going back and forth on waiting or not.
@@kennetheisenhut1679 so by your logic a base sti should be about 41k. I can live with that. I wouldn't even consider a sti until 2023. Plus i would like to see if my parts on my 18 wrx are compatible with the 2.4 in the new cars. Im pretty modded.
I just bought a base trim a month again. and it has rattling noise from the base at lower speed. 1st and 2nd. especially when just start moving. does anyone has the same problem?
Watching from Australia.When you say summer tyres I'm like what the heck are they.We don't have to worry about them here.Then when you talk about the info screen being small but functional,I'm thinking he looks like he would know about things being small but functional..
Subaru won't get rid of manual. I know they are phasing it out but not this next gen no way. Until the crosstrek has no option is when maybe wrx will lose it. SAVE THE MANUALS GUYS!!!
No one is going to be buying these racer Subaru’s. Only the boring Subaru SUVs and wagons are able to sell, why? Because the demographics who Marginally could buy the new WRXs are basically struggling for cash whereas the demographic that can afford to buy Subaru’s SUVs and wagons are older and more asset rich, which when govts globally are printing money, are the section of the population that does not fall behind economically. And it’s not like banks want to lend money to young. 20-30 year olds compared to 40-50 year olds.
A nice car for sure! It is a sad event it suffers from rev hang like so many other modern sporty cars. There’s always older MR2 Spyder, Miata, GTI, etc they are available for less and nothing dampening the sport driving experience
... and all the "items that are missing", I could care less about them. Waste of weight I don't care about, and I am a target buyer. Those are the *exact* reasons I don't buy any other Subaru models and I have had to look at other brands for our family cars >:|
Kürşad Sezgin So that’s why no answers to your question. They don’t exist here, where this video is about and for. If you want an answer for your question, do a little research. The simple answer is that the system in the video is common to all manual transmissions and only manual transmissions, though differential locks exist on the WRX STi . Since the Levorgs are all CVTs, it means it does not. It has the Active Torque Split system with a 60/40 torque split via a clutch pack. See what 5 minutes of looking it up does, you uneducated, lazy asshole?!
@@afcgeo882 You don't have to answer my question, and even if this car does not exist in the US, it doesn't mean that I can't ask a question about it. Do you think that the audience of this video is limited to the people in the US? I don't think so. So STFU.
Its business 101, I can assure you 95% of buyers doesn't care about that. So there's no point of adding cost to have active safety engineerd in and driving up the overall cost of the vehicle when its at end of its life cycle. With that being said, of course it'd be nice to have active safety features on the manuals and I'm sure they will include it the next gen thats due next year.
@@eeshunique indeed, but imagine saving 1 life or preventing 1 serious lifelong crippling injury. Its worth it. I think now even th cheapest VW group cars have it standard.....
...if anything, I would have loved mirror turn signals in my base, it's only in limited trim cars. Shoot, even $23k Crosstrek premiums get turns in their mirrors, so why not a $28k-30k base/premium WRX?
