I have a big debate going on whether to go for Sienna Platinum or Kia Carnival SX Prestige. The only advantage i see with Sienna is the fuel. 36 MPG vs 26 MPG (Sienna vs Carnival). How much are we saving between Kia Carnival SX and this Platinum version. 1. Base price of Sienna Platinum is $50000 + ($1250 destination fee) + $2000 (Basic add-on mud guard, rails, mats, paint package) + $1750 Entertainment. in total it comes to $55,000. Whereas Kia Carnival SX Prestige comes for $49,700 with all the above basic add-ons. Is it worth to spend $5,300 more for Sienna than Kia Carnival SX prestige ? I did this math, How many trips do I go in a year? Lets compare the KIA carnival and Sienna platinum. 1. Sienna gives 30% more fuel saving. which means, I will save $50 on a road trip 2. how many trips do I have in an year? 3 or 4? So the saving is going to be $250 maximum on fuel with Sienna per year. 3. I am paying $6000 more for Sienna than Kia Carnival. Interest rate of $6000 is $50. When will I get this $6000 back with fuel saving. 10 years? 15 years? 4. Is it worth to compromise with eCVT engine of 2.5L 4cylinder of Sienna with Kia Carnival 3.5L V6 engine power? It may not worry everyone, but a person who likes to drive the cars and having less patience will know the problem. 5. I did not get a chance to drive the Sienna. But, I have driven nissan's 2.5L 4 Cylinder CVT SUV. It takes time to overtake a truck on a high way. So, suggest me why Sienna and why not Kia Carnival with that SUV look and better interior
@@Van-pf2or if you're looking at the Carnival, you should look into the Pacifica PHEV as well. The Pacifica will save you a lot more on fuel (because of its 16kWh battery), and if you wait for a sale or incentives on it, it'll be substantially cheaper than the Sienna, but have 90% of the features offered in the Carnival. KIA does well for the cost, but I was never pleased with their corner-cutting and customer service for repairs was terrible. My wife had a FULLY LOADED Sorento... and it didn't even have power seats for both front passengers. 🤦 Otherwise, it lacked a lot of refinement even though it had a veneer of quality.
So odd we live in a world where an 8 second 0-60 (in a minivan, no less) is something to complain about. If you have trouble merging with that sort of performance, maybe it's your driving that's the problem...
That’s eight seconds with just the driver. I drive a 2018 Sienna with296 hp V6 and when I test drove the 2021, not only was it slower from starting stand still, the more important 30-60 mph acceleration was definitely slower. I don’t really care about the 0-60 performance and how it’s fast enough under ideal conditions. What is more important is when you have the wife and the kids in the van, the van has enough reserved power to get out of the way when you summoned it. I drove a Chrysler Pacifica eHybrid (it was a plug-in)for two weeks in Orlando area in July and that van had the perfect combination of power and fuel economy. But the Pacifica didn’t entice me enough to buy another Chrysler product. I think I will hold onto my ‘18 until the gas prices are out of my reach…
I have to disagree with your feelings on the AWD performance. I’ve been very impressed with how my 21 AWD Sienna handles snowy conditions. In fact, it’s only ever been limited by ground clearance, not traction. It’s absolutely the best family vehicle on the market today.
Yea the awd is good incan completely floor the throttle and cut the wheel all the way right or left and the van just goes almost rotating when I do that and the steering still goes where it's pointed like it doesn't get 2 stiff when doing that like a regular front wheel drive car. . I can do that in the rain also. I can also best anything that's fwd in the rain at intersections because spinning ain't winning. I also fire up the engine when I need an aggressive start. You can either press the brake and the gas at the same time or if you want to be easier on the van then just put it in manual mode gear 1 and it will fire up the engine is you just tap the has pedal but you have 2 hold the brake so your van doesn't move. This makes sure you have the tq of the engine at the start along wit the electric motors.
Another good place the AWD helps you feel secure is driving up steep hills. You can feel the rear motors push which keeps the van feeling level and balanced on springs. It’s an achievement for sure
I have nothing but high praise for the 2021 Toyota sienna XSE! And it exceeded the mileage all the time. It was a Front wheel drive. It did have 20 inch wheels on it. But if you have a heavy foot and you don’t know how to drive a hybrid vehicle. Don’t complain about the gas mileage if you have a leadfoot, go for the V-6 instead but if you want to really save at the gas pump definitely go for the hybrid sienna! There was many tanks that I average 43 miles per gallon. Granite I wasn’t driving 75-80 miles an hour on the freeway. But even at 33 miles per gallon,no minivan will come close to touching that combined.
Hi Kevin, may I ask where are you located and what is the normal climate in your area? As my XLE AWD got only around 26 in the midwest winter time and now it is around 40F-50F and I noticed that my MPG goes up to 34-36. Also, you said you are driving between 75-80 mph on the highway, are you in the eco mode or normal mode?
@@joeh666 Well Joe I clearly said that I was not driving 75 and 80 miles an hour. Most of my driving was city and 55 ,60 mph. And I always drove it in Eco mode, yes sometimes just for fun that would be the sport mode. 99% of the time it was an eco. Well I live in Arkansas, and we have very mild winters compared to the Midwest. And most of the time I got by with just the heated seats and did not let my van idle to keep the van warm or any prolong warm-ups, just got in and it pushed the start and drove off slowly.
@@kevinhenry177 Thanks for the response Kevin, I have no idea how I missed the "not" and thinking you were driving at 75-80, my bad. Based on the speed, location and etc, this totally make sense, as in Arkansas you probably have more time go down a hill to recharge it, and 55 - 60 mph in city should be the most fuel efficient range. Thanks for sharing and enjoy the new sienna, lol
My Pacifica does much better than 33 combined without driving almost any differently other than not exceeding the max electric power in EV mode (so the motor doesn't turn on). Even in the winter (when a lot of the battery is wasted on heating) it'll still return about 35mpg. Aside from the rear-view mirror camera, I don't see anything the Sienna has over the Pacifica.
Ive got 14k miles on my awd. In summer, we average 36 mpg and in winter with studded tires it was 32. We drive mostly in eco. Not sure how their numbers are so weak unless they drive in normal or eco more. Also, if they run the cabin hot in winter, it will run the combustion engine more to gain heat through the core. I think it's on them as drivers.
Exactly my thoughts. That made me giggle when he said they were hitting those weak numbers even when trying to get better fuel economy. For me, when driving the Sienna, it's a game of how fast can I get off an intersection without the combustion engine kicking in. And as soon as I'm up to speed, I'll take my foot off the accelerator and once the engine's off, I get back on it and normally it's just the electronic motors working, unless conditions dictate otherwise. When I'm really trying to get good numbers, 5.9l/100km is avg for a full tank
@@vermbill well then the engine barely turns off then so you're messing up you're fuel economy doing that. She should get the van up 2 temperature and low down the fan and maybe turn the temp up. Once the van is warm it's way to hot to leave the fan on low but the temp on high.
The CVT is not a problem for me at all, the acceleration is smooth as butter. No shifts, no sudden jerky acceleration. The torque from the electric motors is so strong I’ve never had to push the gas pedal to keep the car from rolling backwards even up steep hills. (I have the AWD) Hybrids have always been a clunky transition between power delivery of gas and electric, this is the most refined hybrid system on sale today and I would buy this van again in a heart beat. Worst annoyance is the inability to see your trip MPG if someone opens the door before you turn the car off!!! I want to see my hard work.
I really doubt that. The Pacifica PHEV has a very similar hybrid system and the shift between power is seamless 99% of the time and completely unnoticeable unless I'm monitoring the gauges. Furthermore, the V6 in the Pacifica is much less "groany" than what has been said about the inline 4 in the Sienna.
I sold my Pacifica and bought a Sienna Platinum. I don't miss the seats that fold into the floor, but I have the driver's seat all the way back and when the second row seat behind me is folded and pushed forward, it hits the driver's seat and I have to move my seat forward a little bit. But that's not a gripe, just an observation. I also bought LED lighting kits from Amazon and changed the interior bulbs out (except for the map lights, which I couldn't figure out) and also the rear blinker light. I love the car and on a highway drive today, averaged 43 mpg.
thank god I didn't upgrade to a hybrid! my 2018 Sienna goes fast, I regularly drive it at 100mph when I'm running late to kids activities. I can't even feel I'm going that fast on the highway, smoothest and quietest drive ever. Truly a drivers car. best part? I can hardly hear the kids in the back if the ac is blasted lol. 40k miles so far, I get a little under 400 miles on a full tank.
Averaging 39.5 since ownership on mine, 21’ xle. Extended softer breaking is a must. It has plenty of power too, it don’t have a cvt transmission, it really doesn’t have a transmission at all.
I am a long-haul delivery driver and i just stepped out of my 2017 Pacifica with over 500,000 miles and into a 2022 Sienna. I was initially shocked at how profoundly uncomfortable the seat is. Granted I got the base model which does not come with adjustable lumbar. It has negative lumbar! Worse than any of the dozens of cars I have driven throughout my decades as a professional driver. I am 6 ft tall and my wife is 5 ft 2 and says the seat feels comfy for her. So perhaps, being a Japanese vehicle, it is not targeted at people over a certain height. Using a lumbar pillow helps but doesn't solve for the particularly firm seat cushion. I will say that I am a bit finicky as I sit in my van 8 to 10 hours per night five nights a week. Wish it was anywhere near as comfortable as the Chrysler Pacifica I had. It felt like a layer of dance foam with memory foam over top. Extremely comfortable on Long Journeys. Pardoning and the unnecessarily uncomfortable seat, the van is great! 34 miles per gallon on my first mostly freeways and highways delivery route and the previous Pacifica averaged 28. Perfect weather conditions on my second test delivery route got me around 37 MPG.
Yes the minivan was designed in US for Japanese people. This would be true with the Previa minivan years ago but not the Sienna. I guess you still think all Toyotas are made and designed for Japanese people. 😉
@@fcnghkkc1 we also have a 2007 Prius which does not work if you are over 5 foot 6 which most American men and many American women are. My wife is Korean and 5'2 and it's perfect for her. But the damn thing literally has no telescopic steering. I was half joking when I said it is only designed for Japanese people. I am aware that Toyota is very aware that their vehicles are sold globally, it's just that they don't seem to design them to be comfortable for non-asians. I just bought a Subaru outback last week, of course Japanese make. It has the most leg room of any vehicle I have owned and very adjustable telescopic steering. Extremely comfortable. I think Toyota's are just uncomfortable. Do you disagree? What's your experience?
I had the same issue when test driving the Odyssey... Terribly uncomfortable and small front seats. Ending up buying the Pacifica PHEV. For mixed city/highway driving it's getting between 40 and 50mpg in the summer.
@@daviddivad6109 we waited to get the next generation Prius (in our case got 2011). My husband is 6’3” and could not even fit into the previous generation. Comfortable in 2011.
I have a deposit down on a Toyota Sienna. I got it for the hybrid system, interior, and AWD. Though I really think it would be better with a flat floor and a removable second row.
I got a 2022 Honda Odyssey instead of the Sienna. I live in a mountainous terrain place and I need the power. The interior on the lower trims was better on the odyssey too. But with gas prices now, I wish I got the Sienna instead. Maybe in the near future.
The Sienna has 3 driving modes: Eco, Regular, & Sport. Sport mode is awesome when you need more power, faster acceleration. Having the extra motor in the AWD is a boost, as well. I’ve driven Acuras for 20 years, and am completely happy with the acceleration and power of our ‘21 Sienna.
I love my 2006 Toyota minivan, especially the center row seat removable. It has enough power to passing most car on the road and room to put 2 couches, 4 big dogs, or any Home Depot product without worrying bad weather. It is still running well, but my kid took it from me. Now, I am waiting for Toyota to come out a plug-in hybrid or EV minivan. If not, I think I am still happy with this hybrid version. I am sure your review about the MPG didn't match with your expectation probably due to the way you drive, weather and hills. My 2018 Prius Prime did well on 57 MPG average. Right now it showing that I have 125 MPG average, because of the plug-in. I love it, but can't load much stuff like the Sienna.
Been driving a 2006 limited for many years...love it I cannot even find 20 22 or 21... I'm thinking about looking at a 2020 limited so just getting the best of generation 3....
I easily get 40mpg because I don't accelerate hard, and plan lane changes as one should in a big, slower vehicle. Its all different drivers, with different driving styles, living in hilly areas and encounters winters, I'm surprised they even got around 33mpg.
The difference in miles per gallon between the all-wheel drive vs. the front-wheel drive is surprising. I wonder if the mountain terrain that you tested it on made any difference.
2021 Sienna XLE AWD. My 6’3” husband finds it comfortable. He mostly drives and does NOT drive it like a hybrid, much to my chagrin (we have a 2011 Prius and I can get 47-50 mpg, while he brings it down to 43mpg). Our Sienna dips down to 32mpg/Wisconsin Winter. Spring/Summer/Fall we can get it up to 34-35-36mpg. I believe if I drove it more the mileage would be much better. We have three car seats for the grandkids. We keep the left/middle combo-seat folded down in the rear. We can haul just about anything. Most of our driving is 70% city driving. We find the seats comfortable, but on long trips my husband will use an Amazon seat cushion. I was listening to some of the faults brought up in video and we just don’t share those same complaints. For instance, we don’t find that the touch screen is difficult to read in sunny weather. I’m satisfied with back up camera. Braking is fine. Accelerating onto the freeway, passing, etc., is not an issue for us (we had previously leased a 2018 RAV4 AWD hybrid until we knew if we’d have a third grandchild or not, and while I no longer remember if that had better acceleration or not, I do remember not having the feeling that the acceleration was poorer. Our roads get plowed so well, so after a couple winters I’m thinking the AWD probably wasn’t necessary, thus my only regret.
That’s what always confused me with these “professional” reviews. Why are sports and muscle cars the standard for performance in every vehicle reviewed that’s not a sports or muscle car?
It's so frustrating. Especially when people who had never driven a hybrid were complaining about these. I test drive one of these Sienna's and I was thoroughly impressed. I currently have a 2012 Prius V. Why do these people expect 0-60 times to be as fast as a sedan?
I have a 2022 AWD XSE Sienna. If you drive smart, you can get 650-680 miles per tank, average range 40-45mpg. Stay on the left lane for the most part @ 60 mph. Around town, always lay off pedal once you hit high point on the road and lightly step on accelerator when needed for EV power minimizing when the gas engine kicks in.
HOPEFULLY they will increase the power to around 275 in 2023, as he said it is slow. 240+ is a little low if the van is loaded and full of the family. Especially climbing steep hills.
Cold weather will kill a hybrid's MPG. Our Sienna got well below what it did in summer, which was routinely above the listed MPG. Also, the toyota dealer twice has put 20w oil in the vehcile, not the w16, which I am sure cost probably 2 MPG by itself.
mpg may not match EPA, but lets be realistic, most minivans still have V6's and you'll be lucky to see over 20mpg unless you do a lot of highway cruising. I imagine if you lived in a city or suburb area with lots of stop n go driving, you may get closer to, or above epa. Another thing is that, as of march 2022, this minivan is so hot that i cannot find one in stock to drive. All the dealers i call say i need to put down a deposit and wait, any model that hits their dealerships are presold. In my area, the wait list is 2 years out...
If you are in the Seattle area hit up Raja with Toyota of Seattle. I sure didn’t wait 2yrs and I recently got my 2022 awd Sienna platinum. No kidding. They worked their magic and got me one. Also didn’t pay over msrp.
IMO: Toyota should bring back the baby 2.5 v6 from the Lexus IS and throw a baby turbo charger on it to bring up the fuel economy on their heavier cars (4Runner, Tacoma, Sienna). Just an idea EVEN IF the next gen Tacoma & 4Runner offer some form of a gas version. (Ex- Accord 10th gen went from big 2.4 to small 1.5 Turbo & managed to get a little more power w better mpgs).
😬How are you driving if you’re averaging 32 MPGs? I’ve had my Limited AWD for 9 months and I’ve never gotten below 35 on a tank. In summer, I averaged 41 per tank. Also, this van is not slow. Put it into Sport power mode to enter freeways & climb hills and it’s amazing!!
I have a 2021 AWD Platinum for 1 yr with 20k miles and surprise your mpg wasn’t as good, I consistently get combine city/Hwy 38.5 mpg, in cold weather like 9 deg-19 deg I consistently get 28.5 mpg, the warmer the weather the mpg increases, strictly city traffic in stop&go, traffic lights I got between 42-45mpg, the ride is smooth & comfy, with adequate hp, I can cruise & easily get to 90-95 mph without feeling it is going that fast on highway or cruising the white Mtn of NH. I am disappointed with the Toyota care is misleading on free maintenance in 2 yr or 25k miles, only 2 oil changes as they push it to 10k, making it sound like I can get oil change every 5k not true. Toyota should just state this and cabin filter is not included.
Great review! Thank you. As owner of a small car hybrid i think making this the ONLY option for sienna was a BAD decision. Having gas and electric once it gets older is extremely expensive to maintenance. Not everyone wants hybrid at least give the option to build a gas model for us that aren’t going to be duped into buying another hybrid model.
I'm glad I didn't get rid of my 2012 limited awd because the 2021 platinum doesn't have the duel sunroof and the rear entertainment system is not duel screen I can remove my 2nd row seats it gets better gas mileage but I can live with that.
normally like Edmunds reviews, but this one bothered me.. This host/script did not go well together. As for the car/van, I do believe it is the best van out there at the moment, and I own a 2018 Plug-in Hybrid Pacifica.. If Toyota makes it a plug-in, upgrades the center screen/cameras, make the middle seats removable, then I'll switch in a heartbeat. The plug in on the Chrysler is soooo handy, we go months without needing to get gas. I do have to say that even though they say it is roomy, the interior on that model looked claustrophobic. Plus, being a van, the review should have more ties/content around rough kids, car seats, family, clean-ability, etc.
My family owns a platinum all wheel drive and it can top 40 mpg pretty easily. You just have to learn the hybrid system and it's quirks before you can get that. I was also surprised with just how terrible the backup camera is. My 2007 Lexus GS has a better camera than this and that should not be the case. Shame on you toyota
It’s a van. It drives big because it’s big. It’s not fast because these are haulers driving mostly safely. Even modest MPG of 30 is going to return far better mileage than a V6 in urban driving. 500 miles on a tank is outstanding.
Thank you for the review. Great point about the mpg so the front wheel drive will be the option for me in the future however what I’m really looking for is a front wheel drive pH EV prime in the future… Hopefully come to replace my 2004 Sienna.
Just FYI, we have been driving our ‘21 Limited AWD for 9 months, and average 35mpgs in the winter, 41 in the summer. Not sure how he’s only getting 32.
Mileage ---- we are getting about 40 mpg in winter and up to 46 mpg in the summer. I have had tanks range up to 700 miles ...... but currently around 600 or so. Again we have 92,000 miles on it.
Frankly, the Sienna doesn't seem to have anything over the Pacifica Hybrid aside from the rear-view mirror camera and AWD. Literally all of the shortcoming mentioned here aren't an issue in the Pacifica. The Pacifica PHEV is (or was) cheaper, has better interior space, better power, and better fuel economy... Aside from people thinking they can predict the future and think the Sienna is more reliable (even though it currently has as many recalls as the Pacifica)... I don't see what it offers.
Mpg is really comes down to based on the drivers foot. How the gas pedal was pressed and if up hill down hill and w loads of weight in car as well too. I have front wheel drive and I get around 33 mpg . On normal mode
driving a Acura MDX, mostly around town dropping off and picking up kids, my average is about 15.5MPG, so I am definitely don’t mind giving up a V6 and less power for the Sienna, that’s almost 20MPG improvement! I don’t care about 0-60, but I need less power so I drive safer.
We have a 2021 Toyota Sienna with about 92,000 miles on it as of today. While initially impressed, in the 2+ years we have owned it, I probably won't be buying another one. Toyota has some rather bothersome build quality issues on the interior. I won't say they are garbage ..... but yeah, maybe they are.
Make a plug-in Sienna Prime and I’ll buy it. The 6v Pacifica plug-in Hybrid goes months without gassing up and it’s awesome. I’m getting almost 70 mpg. And it has plenty power. The 4cyl Sienna is weak.
@@musclecargarage2875 actually you’re wrong. Liberals hate Toyota. Toyota donates to republicans because of red tape against auto markets by liberals. They used to make boring cars. Not so much now. The RAV4 sold over 400,000 last year in the US. I’d rather have reliable that “flashy”.
Driving up to speed to get on a highway and you said it was slow. Isn't there a "sport" mode you could drive and wouldn't that help? Plus I would think ALL cars make some kind of noise when trying to get up to highway speed. I'm also surprised how low the milage you said you got. Was all the driving done in the cold weather? Cold weather would bring down the mpg numbers. I know my mpg's went down during the winter when driving my 17 Rav4 Hybrid. Now it's getting better with warmer temps.
My brother, remember this is the first set of this new model design, wait till the 2023, 2024, and 2025 by then all those features will improve like the transmission, back view camera the accelerator etc. Toyota know what they are doing, that why I never buy the first set model I wait till a year or two.
@@djkenny1202 We paid MSRP with the $500 off incentive rebate. There are still dealers not inflating the price, but yeah…it takes some patience. The other consideration is that the car I sold to Carvana to get my Sienna was 5K over KBB, so if you have a trade in you should sell it, and the inflated price you get makes up for not getting below MSRP on the Sienna. Hope that made sense
You don't need a 4x4 van ! Save yourself money and just get the front wheel drive. I have a 2016 Sienna and wouldnt trade it for one of these new ones for anything.
I'm sorry, how entitled do you have to be to say that a 35 Mi per gallon vehicle that can seat seven people is considered slow while getting from 0 to 60 in the early 8 second range?? I've owned a Kia Soul that could barely get 30 miles per gallon, and got to 60 slower than that, and that thing is half the size at best of this beautiful, roomy machine.
Why does everyone complain about low resolution backup cameras. It's not like you're looking for ants to not run over. It's purpose is to not hit large objects... aka kids, etc.
Put it in sports mode if worried. It's already a peppy vehicle as is though. Took one in heavy heavy rain weather yesterday and was able to navigate and move the highway with ease.
I think making the 2nd row seats non-removable is a big miss. It's really just another SUV. We went sofa shopping with our 2020 Odyssey and slid a full size sofa (in the rain) right in. Won't happen in a sienna. Stow and go in the Pacifica also will get it done.
😂 frequency of buying sofas VS the massive gas savings on a daily basis. Also, for anyone wondering, when the second row seats are folded and slid forward we get just over 6 feet X 4 feet of cargo space
I think you get the best of all worlds with the new Toyota Sienna minivan with the 2.5 hybrid system. You get great reliability ,it's smooth ,quiet and very adequate acceleration and exceptional gas mileage when you drive it like a normal vehicle. Anytime you continually push a vehicle you will compromise the fuel economy. In actual everyday driving the minivan is great. In comparison to the other V6 models and Brands out there they are complete underwhelming gas guzzlers and they're handling is sloppy as well.. and don't get me started on the poor reliability of Korean brands once they accumulate mileage.. they are just complete garbage.
@@americandude3825 omg 6 seconds for light weight cars thats impressive... F150 with a small 2.7L are faster than a Camry. Dude Sequoia is a good SUV but interior is crap,plastic everywhere no features at all same with Camry. Just admit that they make cars for elderly ppl
@@americandude3825 well at 37k I wasn't worried about how the interior felt. It was soft in all the right places..top of the doors and where elbows would go. I think the xle adds a bit more soft touch in other places. The LE also had soft touch by the driver and passenger knee areas. The brakes takes getting use 2. Sometimes when coming to a stop and hitting a small bump it triggers the and system so it feels like the brakes release briefly and now you're slamming hard on then 2 stop. Other times the brakes has done that without hitting a bump and all of a sudden I'm applying more pressure 2 get my brake force back. Small bumps in the road are soaked up really nicely but some of the bigger ones seem 2 upset the suspension in a weird way but it's mostly good but the back seems 2 hit harder than the front like the back is stiffer than the front most likely for carrying capacity. The standard stock tires suck bad and I changed them with micheline cross climate 2 for added grip and bad weather abilities. Drive easy and enjoy 37-40+ mpg. Driving regular / slightly aggressive is around 35mpg and driving aggressive is about 32mpg. You can dip below 30mpg if your super aggressive though flooring it almost everywhere.
@@americandude3825 I don't like how they got rid of the grab handle for the driver compared to the last generation sienna and my LE didn't have lumbar adjustment for the driver but my 2018 did in LE trim. Tq response is good when rolling into the throttle making it feel great around town but you have 2 wind it out on the highway but it's bit slower than something like a jeep grand cherokee L. I would know, :)
Hehe: i have placed the order and have been waiting for this minivan for over 7months. You are using this for test drive. That is really a shit for Toyota!
I used to be a big Toyota fan and I love minivans. But I recently sat in a new sienna and I was very disappointed. In the top trim felt cheap and plasticy. The interior was very claustrophobic, esp in the 3rd row and the lack of a removable 2nd row was disappointing. The first gen sienna was amazing. This one, not so much.
