@maskerua6779 95 percent of people care. From the comment above I was expecting the camaro to stomp the others but instead it just barely caught up. Most of the safety and even performance of street cars comes from the launch to get out of the way. Chevy got wooped from light to light distance.
@@JoshWeaverRCif I had a dollar for every time my buddy needed to borrow my Acura to get to work because his Camaro broke down I'd pull in $3 a year for the last five years which is surprisingly high.
TLX Type S is the biggest disappointment out of Acura since they originally discontinued the Type S back in 2008. It's such a damn shame as its a gorgeous looking car, but it's a porker with size/weight class.
Honestly I'd rather see the Type S lose like 300-500 lbs. 4200 lbs is insane to me tbh. Otherwise I'd probably take the Genesis over the TLX. Plus losing weight would help the car in more places than just speed.
Fun race as always! Just want to clear the air that my car is not tuned, there is currently no public tune available yet for the Type S platform. We'll see about next time though 👀 Also, no headers or any other engine mods. Just a downpipe and straight through exhaust.
Looks like my other comment got flagged or something. Have you seen the piggyback tune for the Type S from JB4, the JB4 really brought my Alfa to life.
The LT1 has 245 all season tires. You swap the rear wheels for 9.5” or wider wheels and wrap in 275+ tires Michelin or Nittos and traction is no longer an issue. Car is cheap and not a fit for everyone’s lifestyle… but 455 hp N/A from 6.2L with 6M or A10, RWD 3700 lbs, Alpha platform, translates to a tremendously satisfying, visceral, and fun ride. A properly “tired” LT1 woulda blasted both these cars out of the hole and made it even more embarrassing by the end. Sam let’s get the LT1 vs Mustang GT vs Scat Challenger or Charger. All murica would be awesome!!
Of course, this is still more of a fair comparison for the Acura and Genesis. The camaro will always pull on the top with its superior TQ/PWR. The curve is also more steady, shifts are quicker. It’s an actual sports car, genesis is a tuned for a commuter, shifts are mechanically forgiving, even in sport mode. A tune would refine it a bit
I liked the car choices Sam. The Type S is a real looker with those wheels. The G70 was ahead of the Camaro for 9/10th of the race, so it'll take any stop light race. Tune a G70 and it's ridiculous fast.
@@DippinItUp1 Tuned G70s run low 11s and even 10s. It would be a football field ahead. I know the Camaro is fast for sure and tuned even quicker but turbo cars are so easy to get big power.
Anytime you see a Hyundai looking all fast, know there’s a 98% chance inside 2 years it’s going to be burning oil and it will be coming right out of the exhaust pipe. The Acura will still be doing what it does.
@@TheRedRaven_ the interior did not get updated with the facelift. its dated compared to the other G car in the lineup.. forgot the name but the suv one. they should have similar interiors.
@@dnegel9546 The gauge cluster, the HUD received updates, the infotainment screen is now larger (wider) and running new software. It’s a facelift, not a new car and yes technically things got updated in respect to 2022 vehicles, the larger screen is a big deal.
Genesis definitely the standout here. Outcome more than expected but the genesis is quite a nice all rounded all season car with some decent performance.
Korean cars are up & coming, yet will never outshine Japanese, Tier 1 machines when measured as weighted across all the relevant criteria….natiinal cultural impacts the fundamentals. Look at expert service mechanics reviews & reviews of long-term Kia owners, and look at resale prices to see my point. This channel is fun viewing, but essentially offers nothing to inform potential car buyers; exceedingly few visit a drag strip before they buy their next car, it’s mostly irrelevant.
@@Snookynibbles Dude chill out Genesis is on the rise and has really no competition in it's class for price point and performance. I do agree though nothing is effin with Japanese Tier 1 it's not even fair 😭
This is pretty much the same results I had once in my Chevy SS Sedan (LS3) and an Audi RS3. On the highway, those big V8s take in a lot of air and can stretch their legs. The Acura and the Genesis have the initial advantage, which is what sometimes makes them more fun on the streets. By the time the V8s get into their power band, you've already broken a few laws.
@@Nunlikeyoman I absolutely loved mine. It was such a rare car and a little anonymous that when I would crank it up at a gas station, I'd sense at least 3 necks turning in my direction as no one was expecting a Corvette V8 (LS3) bark coming from what looks like a rental car special. The only reason I was ok with giving mine up was that it was an automatic and I wanted a manual before electric vehicles make them all but scarce. There might be a good chance of you finding a well cared for used version, as it was generally a car bought by enthusiasts that took care of the car (mine had 37K miles on it after 6 years). The manual version is a little more rare, but would be great fun.
@@IReahpZz you're speaking from a position of ignorance right now as you're speculating where I actually had the experience. And it wasn't as if the RS3 wasn't trying. He kept trying to keep up, but just didn't have the power to keep up. He was quick up to about 60, but then I would walk him to anything above those speeds. I'm sure your experience with Forza may tell you otherwise, but considering I have dashcam footage of the poor little RS3 going down, might be a good time to put down the video game controller and step outside every once in a while.
@@robpr315 bud I think it’s cute how bent out of shape you are. Your Comparing a 13 second car to a 11 second car stock for stock. You aren’t even fast enough to touch my electric daily never mind the weekend toy. You’ve clearly never raced an rs3 nor do you understand physic’s.
The LTI is the deal of the Century. PURE Performance on the strip and the track. Best V8 na performance on the planet. Can you imagine if Chevy put a Super Charger on this????.... oh yah they do. Great vid well done!! More please.
In my humble opinion, purchasing a car based of looks opens the door for disappointment and regret. Especially if it lags behind its competitors for performance.
@@KO-iw3vu the car is already very fast for day to day. To me, is more than enough. I'm not a 12 years old kid that looks at a car only by 0-60 times. Looks, interior quality, and ride quality are more important
Great race. And as always, Sam's enthusiasm makes all the videos fun to watch. Interesting race to say the least but it ended up more between the Acura and Genesis. The Camaro in the beginning, seemed like it was trying to see how the other two were going to match up, lol! Nevertheless, great race. 👍
Awesome video as always!! Tune that Genesis AND WATCH OUT🏁!! But it's very hard to beat the Camaro for the performance and the money nothing like a naturally aspirated V8🇺🇸!! *Props to the Acura as well super sweet car!!
I have zero interest in the Camaro for me personally. Between the Type S and the G70, I would choose the Type S despite the fact that it's a slower car. I love the styling of it inside and out and I'm certain that it would be plenty fast for me.
Acura, to me, have just lost their way. They’re forced to build off the Honda platform which just limits them. And, they’re so overpriced for what you get.
@@melvinmezon1944 Did you watch the whole video? It did lose. The Type S had a head start in the first race. Now watch the whole video and see yourself being all wrong! 😆😂😂😂😂
And the TLX is tuned on top of that has a 20 HP gain and still lost lol. I would still buy it over all those cars. As a 2017 Acura TLX owner the Type S is probably gonna be my next car. There are other things that matter more than speed. It's not like I'm gonna be racing people. With a Type S I will still be able to smoke more than 80% of the cars on the road if I need to. It's still a fast car but the slowest in its class. I bet you it's also the most reliable and good looking along with the Lexus
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks How'd he say that the Type S sounds the best!! LMAO... Sounds like a vaccum cleaner is stuck in the hood. The Camaro sounds insanely better than any of them.
Always Love these races 🏁 great energy and the fun and excitement what could be better Appreciate this Channel content so much and of course all the participants everyone does a stand up jib with their vehicles Excelente 👍👍👍👍👍
Glad that you disclosed the mods for the Acura but I am sorry those mods are A LOT more than 20 HP. That car is MUCH slower without the mods. What EXACTLY was done to the Acura. What “tune” was it running?
I think the TLX is a great looking car, but I'd take the G70 all day, any day. I've owned a few Camaros over the years and love them, but at middle age, I'll take the luxury sedans. Truth be told, the Stinger would be my pick.
Wait so the acura is literally 4200lbs with only 355hp? LOL And the interior basically the same as a 2018 TLX? Got it!! haha G70 put in some work for what it is. Love those cars. Genesis definitely stepped up their game!
Good race, even better people in this one. Had to leave early after the Mustang/S5 race, so I'm glad to see this uploaded! Staz, we gotta go again now that the Q is rockin some FBO mods fer shits and giggles. Sam, well done sir always enjoyable!
All nice cars, the Genesis and Acura way better daily drivers and more luxurious but what a performance bang for the buck the LT1 is, put some stickier tires on it for better launches and watch out
I had 2017 Camaro SS with the same 6.2L and I wish I never got rid of it! Late summer of 2022 I test drove a Kia Stinger GT2 (basically the same as the Genesis from what I'm aware of) and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Very impressive tbh, but it certainly just did not compare to overall power/performance of the Camaro. Sure, the AWD helps massively from a dead stop, but even most Stinger owners admit the RWD version is faster and sportier than the AWD. Anyways, point I'm making is these drag races are fun as heck but are so far away from being practical as far as real world performance. If your looking for the best car for fun and fast, camaro all day. If you need a functional back seat though, look elsewhere 😆
I'd have to disagree with you. The genesis is faster than the Kia but to add to that the interior is much nicer as well it's not even a comparison and with a simple plug and play tune the g70 walks scat packs and Camaros all day more comfortable as well
@@IsaiahSheppard-k4gI don't want to start an argument , I was just giving my report of what I experienced in 2 bone stock cars. Yes of course with tune/aftermarket pieces etc, ANY car can be faster than stock but that's not what I had in front of me at the time. I haven't driven a G70 so I can't comment on that. All I know is I didn't get the pure performance in the Stinger that I did with my old SS. This summer I actually picked up another '23 SS 1LE and it's just like I remember... EXCEPT I don't like the Recaro seats in it. Guess my f** @$$ just doesn't like getting squeezed all that much 😂 Again, I actually think all 3 of these cars in video are awesome in their own right. Pick whichever you like the most. Or better yet, pick the one you can get the best deal for!
@scaf_007vs3 well yea it'll be subjective, and we can both agree on disliking Recaro seats, and I'm a stick!main reason im looking at a genesis😂😂 I'm mainly just surprised that for a luxury car that isn't really meant to be fast it can still for the most part keep up with muscle cars and even surpass them given the conditions you'd never expect it just seeing them on the highway 😂😂
@@IsaiahSheppard-k4g I kinda want to get a Civic SI just for the manual alone, but I had to replace my old yukon so that isn't gonna happen. I wouldn't be able to drive it for a few months anyways as I'm getting elbow surgery FOR THE 3RD TIME THIS YEAR in December, but that's another discussion 🤣 Just gonna have to take the SS out a few times before then cuz winter is on the way anyhow 🤔
@scaf_007vs3 interesting to hear you do t have snow chains or tire socks? Granted, you can't drive as fast with these, but you can definitely drive normal speeds during the winter. Sometimes, I'll even find a secure lake and do some drifts. wanna be careful that the ice is fully frozen, tho I usually have to plan that for a few days!
Babe, wake up, new Sam Car Legion video just dropped! Not a Stinger but this is just as great! Another fire video, who else is doing these lineups??? 🤯🔥🔥
That second race ended exactly as I expected. However I will say that these three stack up pretty closely, which is interesting to see! I'd love to have my Civic Type R in the mix and see. 😜
The 2022 and earlier Civic Type R certainly punches above its "weight class", but with FWD MT, a 0.5s slower 0-60 and 0.4s slower 1/4 than the G70 3.3T it wouldn't be much of a race. Perhaps the 2023 with 315hp would made it interesting.
Camaro was a foregone conclusion, but the TLX vs G70 contest was interesting. That tune makes the Type S a much more compelling option. Honda/Acura needs to take note and up their game accordingly, so we can get that performance with a warranty. (Edit: just read the owner's comment re: downpipe & exhaust only. Even better news, as Acura could certainly bump the boost up a tad, etc.)
@@Ih8chew he only needs a jb4 to walk any of them, type s comes detuned from factory, and jb4 only gives 3psi, the engine is built to hold alot of power, just acura is really carefull, unlike other brands...
@@jozhfy yes but that’s still voiding the factory warranty. Again, you’re giving up your powertrain warranty just to keep up with or barely beat the other cars stock. And then what about when the competition miss theirs? 🤔
Great improvement with the TLX Type S!! Still satisfied with the run with 4200 lbs! I hate they are so heavy. The Acura Needed that headstart to even out the weight with the rest of the cars
Man, I miss Pontiac, had Bonneville, gtp, trans Ams. But after owning a Kia stinger, it's no comparison really. The Stinger is sooooo much nicer than any Pontiac and love my ol Pontiac's
The Genesis G70 is the best option, at least for me. Elegant, fun, spacious & doesn’t look gimmicky. It can be a daily drive, a weekend toy, a family sedan, business friendly for making professional entrances at business events and everything in between. Camaro is a track inspired sporty coupe while the Acura looks sporty and too cartoonish like a ricer/high school/college kid’s toy with mods too goofy to be taken seriously. G70 is definitely the most mature vehicle in this lineup to live with.
Absolutely, reliability > everything when it comes to Honda/Acura. Launch mode in the Type S only let's you get to 2000rpm, but I can use it non stop at every light vs my bosses Alpina B8 that needs a while to cool off before he can use his launch mode again.
Even back when I had my 03 Acura TL Type-S that didn’t support it like they should but for it to only have 260hp and you put a cold air intakes on it. That car was pretty quick. I don’t understand why they didn’t make the TLX lighter. It would either beat the Genesis or be right there with it with the current hp
Acura needs to release a TLX Type R to redeem itself. I’m thinking a high performance version (twin turbo) of the 3.0L to the tune of 480 hp, shed 200 pounds, and price it in the $68k range..
I wonder why the Type-S is so much heavier than the Genesis. Both are around the same dimensions, AWD, and the Genesis has a bigger engine by 300cc. That 300 pound difference is a mystery to me.
It’s the extra sheet metal to make it longer so it could mimic the look of a longitudinal mounted rear wheel drive vehicle even though it’s a front wheel drive based transverse mounted engine. If you look under the hood you’ll see a lot of empty space between the firewall and where the engine is.
@@curiosityredpill7030 yeah because they chose style over function with the sizing of this land yacht. Acura dropped the ball on the dimensions big time. It’s got the exterior dimensions of a BMW 5 series with an interior smaller than a Civic but weighs as much as a Dodge Charger 🥴
@@davidpaulin I also think the TLX got a little bit faster after the break-in period. This seems to be the case for a lot of Honda's in recent years. They "open up" a lot more than other brands after the break-in period.
@@iforyou that's true, C&D found the Accord got dramatically quicker after break-in. New it did 60 in 5.7 sec, and after break-in it did 5.3 sec. Quarter-mile was 14.3 @100mph, and after break-in was 13.9 @104mph.
That TLX type s looks great definitely one of the best looking sedans, ashame it didn't get more power. For the MSRP though it's priced against the 4 cylinder cars from the Germans not bad for the price.
@@henryquevlogsss2108 by a little bit, yeah. They're lighter than the Stingers so they have the advantage althroughout in any race between the two. Stinger is the more practical option. And in my opinion superior styling. But it's not quicker than its luxury brand brother
As a 10 speed LT1 owner I can tell you those other two choices really are just fancy commuter cars vs a real muscle car. They’d probably lose to the v6 & 2.0 turbo 6th gen Camaros too
@@willyswheelsg70modding99 the 2.0 makes 400 torque with a down pipe and tune, that’s the same as the v8. If those cars are lightly modded aswell, I’d say that counts for something
@@karlkronic with my Jb4, which wasn't on here, my tcu tune, I would blow those cars away, the Camero in the video, if I was in map 2 it would be a close race, map 3 or 4 would be beating that 6.2
Coming from the perspective of living in the Pacific NW where it seems to rain 8 months a year, I wouldn't even consider a 2WD vehicle. I also prefer a vehicle to be quick from 0-speed limit, I'm not too interested in vehicles that really start hooking up during extra-legal speeds. The TLX Type S is appealing to me!
I didn’t think the Acura would do so well, especially when it weighs 4,200+ pounds. That slight tune only added little bit of power but it did wonders for it.
Hey Sam CarLegion! I was just wondering if you ever need a EN for a race video please let me know, I live right on the Canadian border (Niagara Falls, NY) I would like to showcase my phantom black EN haha.
Cheapest for a reason, the interior is very cheap. Drive one, then sit in either the Acura or the G70 (G70 is more luxurious by comparison, stitch work, etc).
@@bradgreen9225 Not sure what the 2019 civic interior looks like but I did see the new 2022 civic interiors and they’re not bad. Acura has better interiors from what I have seen.
The first one was a head start. 4:34 gives you the accurate result .I expected the Acura to do better with the mods. Result looks the same as stock when compared to the G70.
I hated the 10 speed in that Acura. Always had to use the paddles. The shift programming for DD couldn’t take. I’m surprised how good the Camaro’s is. Got a 1LE after
This was an intriguing race. I'd take the Genesis G70 over the TLX Type S and Camaro anytime all the time and not just because I'm biased since I own a 2020 G70 sport lol.
For the price and performance you get, the LT1 Camaro is the best bang for your buck, it's basically a V6 body and interior with a V8 motor, not as nice as the SS but more affordable. Wider tires would have helped here big time, at least put some 305's on there.
So sad EVEN with a tune and downpipe the TLX STILL lost to the G70 😂😂 Acura should be ashamed with such a beautiful car and lack of power.....smh. But that CAMARO THOUGH!!!!!! 😍😍
@@drivescene6747 well I guess techincally its not a tune but you know folks call it that because it does kinda do what a tune does and modify fuel, boost, etc to make more power. Yes ktuner is not available yet.
@@luileo2 you do realize that’s like a 4-5 year old generation, right? And I would have to slightly disagree. They have been aging pretty well, as long as the owners take care of it.
Sam, you should try to find someone with a JB4 Stinger 3.3tt awd... I have a Stinger 3.3 awd with a jb4 (I only run map 1 or map 2) and I'm curious to see how it would stack up against some of these cars. You could do runs with the tune on and runs without. Its only 1 click to change between different maps and stock. I've seen your other videos with stock 3.3 Stingers. Always makes me curious how much of a difference map1 or 2 looks like. You can feel it, that's for sure.
Not out of the hole unfortunately but top end for sure. These turbo 6's are vicious out of the hole, especially with awd. Soo,..in real world street situations you're going to be at a disadvantage against these boosted gremlins unless you're on the highway. Stall is an option that can help the Camaro but not sure about the 10 speed on the GM side. I know there is a couple for the 10R80 in the Mustang. Cheers.
@@SirtubalotTX while it's true awd and modern autos are amazing...the Camaro doesn't even need a stall, it just needs better tires. The stock all season Goodyear's are a 20+ year old design...that sucked when it was new. With better rubber it would dominate from any speed. The 0-60 with rubber that doesn't suck is around 4 flat on the Camaro
@@tommyistommy That's a great point and I don't disagree but I do have much wheel time in a 10-speed Camaro SS and on the street, I can't concur . I've been beaten too many times by these types of cars from a dig, and with different rubbers.. especially when conditions aren't just right or any amount of moisture on the road. I also had some time in a stalled 10R80 and it is awesome. Inately, these 10 speed autos are better than ever doe to wider ratio spreads and shorter initial gears but boosted motors can typically get the torque down lower and faster and that's just the way it is.
@@SirtubalotTX interesting, maybe the 6th gen is harder to launch than I remember. I haven't driven one in a few years, I have a 4th gen with 243 heads and a very mild cam t56 car, it launches easily and consistently. I can cut 1.8 60 foots on modern street tires (Potenza Sport). But solid axles and softer suspension = always easier to launch. I couldn't even imagine how a stalled 10 speed would shift, they perform amazing (once the revs are up) stock, the stall with a street radial would be insane.
@@tommyistommy "But solid axles and softer suspension = always easier to launch. " I'm glad you put that back on my radar....lol. I can't tell you how awesome a stall is on the 10R80. Not sure what experience you have with stalls on any car but it really is extra crazy on a 10 speed.
got to salute the camaro it's quick man.. Acura /Honda dropped the ball with this new TLX.. Genesis have used that V6 for 5 years now and it was walking away from a tuned TLX u mean to tell me Acura didn't look at the market with the competitors.. if Genesis slaps that newer 3.5 in the G70 it's going to raise the bar a few notches performance wise but as it is they don't even have to 😅😁
@@Striker50_ camaros aren't cheap tho they go for 40k and 3.3t g70 can be found cheaper tbh plus you'll have to settle for terrible interior quality and no practicality. The camaro did what it was supposed to do everyone with good car knowledge would of known that. So definitely not underrated
Have you done Camaro LT1 vs Mustang GT? Maybe even have a Challenger Scat Pack for a 3 way American Muscle race. I wish I was close to Canada, I would definitely bring my 20 Mustang GT 10 speed to race it.
This why I decide do lap3 ECU Tune stage 1.5 for my 3.3 AWD stinger, should be even with this Camero now, mod list my stinger Injen intake, misimoto Intercooler, IMR HFC primey downpipe, JunBi secondary downpipe, brola exhausted,
