2022 Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro OR KTM 1290 Super Adventure S? 

It's soo much more attainable than the previous generation bike! And a lot of fun!

Thank you! Definitely worth it!

Very true, I don't doubt it will be useful, but choosing that over the radar cruise seems a bit of a miss for me. I use the radar cruise on my bike on long trips, and it's a dream. It's really well adapted to the bike so will adjust where it's looking as you lean etc. Also the quickshifter doesn't disengage the cruise on the bike too meaning you can change up and down gears without it dropping the cruise

Cheers Bruce!

Ahh wow! Interesting! There's definitely an element to how you ride it. The SAS loves to actually be ridden, use the gears etc which is way more preferable for my riding style! I love the GS but I'm just a bit bored of it.. its pretty much the same as it was 6 years ago with a few small changes. This new Tiger is a big difference from the old one which is a fresh change! Defo the SAS though 💪🏼

Definitely! Apparently they did market research with their customer base and the majority said they weren't bothered about ACC, but surely if you're going to add the weight, make it an option at least!!

@@SamVBikes as you said be nice if they focused on just making a good bike not something to beat the bmw you’d probably end up with a better bike in the long run

@@SamVBikes Yes I heard that, the problem is unless you have tried ACC you don't thing you need it or want it and as ACC is quite new to the bike market their customer base were unlikely to want ACC. They asked the wrong people the wrong question. I suspect they will have to play catch-up and introduce it to compete with BMW Ducati and KTM and soon.

Agreed! Even with bikes like the Tracer 900 GT+ having it as well.. they will be at a big loss if they don't introduce it soon!

Both SW Motech, mines the bigger Pro City bag, and the one on the tiger is the Pro Micro I believe

Not off, but it's in Rally mode so I dial it down to minimum. Steps in at the very last minute

Both will be brilliant. The 1290 would be better for the long distances to get down there, and the 1050xt would probably be more nimble in the mountains. I do love the 1290 on tight roads though as the power out of the corner is great fun. Either will do a brilliant job!

Doesn't seem to have any effect!

Thanks, good to know 👍

Haha I see what you did there!

@@SamVBikes haha i have my moments lol

Nothing really noticeable. The KTM does seem to turn in easier on tight corners, but the Tiger falls into corners effortlessly!

Agreed! It just makes sense! It's a really nice place to sit and I think the looks have grown on me. I do ride a Super Adventure so I can't moan about the looks of a bike 😂

@@SamVBikes a look only a mother can love... Than again, l like the looks of those old vstrom😂

Haha! It's different and people don't like different. I think it looks purposeful and aggressive, and a tad ugly 😂

@@SamVBikes but they are insane good bikes those vstroms.

Definitely! An old friend has one of the first generation 1000s, and has over 80k miles on it. Haven't seen him for years so it's probably well over that now

Thank you bud! Yes I do love a smooth triple or inline4, but there's something about the way a Twin just shoves you down the road.. you want a 3rd gear power wheelie? Sure, here you go! 😂 I do prefer a triple to an inline 4 though, it's got a bit more about it!

@@SamVBikes gotta say I'm enjoying your channel, nice, simple honest and fun. Saw the subscriber Rideout you did in the summer, I literally did that exact route myself, you wanna see what Lancashire has to offer! Forest of Bowland and the surrounding area up to Ribblehead Viaduct, or thru Wales down to Barmouth on the A & B roads - stunners!

Thank you mate, means a lot! Yes!! I've got a lot of the UK to explore and Ribblehead has been suggested a few times so I'm going to have to get myself up there! Going to get a few more rideouts done this year

Yeah that height is going to be a difficult one for people to get over (literally) on the Tiger. Hopefully the GT Pro isn't as big. Definitely still Team Orange in my house! Shame they don't have a lower chassis option

@@SamVBikes I'm about the same height as you but with a 27" inseam, I have no chance 😂

I'm sure shorter legs make other things look longer though so silver linings 😂

@@SamVBikes 😂😂😂

Did you get to the bike show yet, we are definitely going Tuesday 👍

Amazing! Yes the Tiger 900 is brilliant but the 1200 is just a next step up! They are both SW Motech bags. Mine on the Super Adventure is a Pro City tank bag. I believe the Tiger one is the pro daypack tank bag! Hope that helps

@@SamVBikes many thanks for that Sam

Ahh sorry to hear that! Hope you're not feeling too beaten up

@@SamVBikes not too bad now Sam, thinking of replacement bike looks like Tiger 1200 rally 👍

They are corking bits of kit! Dad loves his and its definitely got a lot more grunt than the outgoing one

I mean ...look at the footage. It might not seem such a big deal, but in real vieuw it is. Compare everything in the picture...everything is stable exept the gps.

@@triskelworkshop2855 It's a mount thats from Touratech I believe, but my dad has since taken it off because it vibrated too much! Realistically you need one with a baseplate that fits behind the TFT as those are solid (like the one on my SAS). Will update you if we find one that works better

After the ride home tonight... no way! It's a monster 😂

Down in Cornwall!

Ahh thats odd! I don't think my dads had any of those issues. Have you had the tyres rebalanced/headstock tightened etc? All the usual suspects for the speed wobble. Although a 790R is an amazing bit of kit so i dont blame you haha

6k in 7 weeks!! You put me to shame!! Good effort!

@@SamVBikes it'll slow down now ! Gen do around 15k a year inc a 3k euro trip ! Then just general hooning 🤣

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Cześć! Jeździłeś tigerem 1200 lub multistrada 1260? Ktm juz Ci się znudził, że chcesz zmienić? Nakręciłeś mnie na ktm super adventure 1290 a teraz sprzedajesz 😊 Jezdziles moze ktm wersja z 21 roku? Jest duża różnica w prowadzeniu i porównaniu do poprzedniej wersji. Jezdzilem ww triumphem 3 razy na testach i multisrada 1260 dwa razy. Niestety zryl mi łeb tylko ww ktm ma ten ogień w sobie. Triumph i bmw tracą ok 20% mocy przez napęd wałem i masa jest większa. Oczywiście w terenie lancuch lepszy, zalezy kto gdzie jezdzi i do czego używa motocykla. Zamowilem nowy ktm 1290 super adventure r co będzie potem nie wiem ale tak responsywnej manetki jak ww ktm nie ma zaden big adwenture. Silnik v w ktm, triumph 3 cylindry kto co lubi. Pozdrawiam

Czekaj czekaj Wojciech daj sie wytlumaczyc z tego wpisu😊, komentarz do tego filmu zamiescilem w ciemno, dane na papierze wskazuja ze osiagi, waga itd nie odbiegaja za bardzo od ktm a ma wal, tak jak napisales lancuch ma swoje plusy jak i wlasnie wal kto co lubi, gdzie i jak jezdzi ma znaczenie, nie pamiętam czy pisalismy juz ze soba czy poprostu gdzies wyczytales moj komentarz i dzieki niemu kupiles ktma ale milo mi ze do kogos moje wywody trafily, a jesli pisalismy to sorry ze sie bede powtarzał ale ktmem jezdze na codzien do pracy itd no i w takich warunkach wal jest zbawieniem zwlaszcza zima jak nie masz garażu o 16 jest czarna noc a ty z latarka smarujesz lancuch bo rdza go zaczyna pobierac bo mieszkasz w anglii i kaluze po deszczu mieszane z sola wymywaja z niego smar w dwa dni..., co do multi to tez dane na papierze wskazuja ze jest jeszcze mocniejsza od ktm wiec musi tez dobrze latac, na ta chwile multi odpada bo zbyt skomplikowane, te desmo na pasku i trzeba tego dogladac no i cena z dupy wiec nie sadze ze kiedy kolwiek kupie aczkolwiek u mnie to nie wiadomo nigdy bo triumpha kupilem calkowicie przypadkowo ale zaraz dojde do tego. Ktm to moja milosc i jesli bede sie z nim żegnał to ze lzami w oczach i z mysla ze napewno wroce do niego i jesli juz to pewnie podążę ta droga co ty i pojde w nowszy model R ( tylko nie wiem czy nie za krotki do niego bede) Triumph do mnie przemawia bo mialem tigera 800 tego juz na wp zawieszeniu i wykonanie i marka bardzo mnie przekonaly (pomijajac plastiki wykonane z jakiegos gowna taniego) a teraz kupilem sobie tigera1200 z 22r taki projekt do poskladania przez zime bo rozkradziony ze wszystkiego praktycznie sama rama i silnik wiec jak poskladam to bede mial dwa no i ktoregos bede sie musial tymczasowo wyzbyc, nigdy w sumie nie testuje motocykli ktore kupuje...poprostu biore i jezdze jak mi nie pasują to po jakims czasie sprzedaje i zapominam, 800 mi nie podszedl i napewno nie wroce, tak jak pisales 3 cylindry, wszyscy sie podniecaja a ja wole pierdolniecie konkretnej v-ki, w tym nowym powykrecali ten wal ze niby imituje v wiec zobacze jak jest ale juz wiem ze bede tesknil za katem i pewnie do niego wroce, 1200 nie ma takiej charakterystyki oddawania mocy wiec bedzie "nudniej" kata tez znalem tylko z gazet i testow ludzi na yt i juz wtedy wiedzialem ze go chce, a swojego kupilem nawet bez ogladania tylko przez net z dowozem pod chate hehe

It's a massive improvement on the last one isn't it!

It is a totally new bike unfortunately most people do not understand that maybe because the old one was a bad bike!!@@SamVBikes

Congrats on the new bike! It's a Garmin Zumo XT on the Touratech mount. He had a Evotech mount but it bounced around quite a bit

Thanks Sam 👍@@SamVBikes

Ahh interesting! What made you swap?

@@SamVBikes Needed something different this year and traded my BMW R1200 GSA for a new Super Adventure S in May. Took it through Europe and down to Lake Garda in Italy. Bike performed well over the passes etc. Had too many niggles. A coolant leak from day one which took ages to sort. Then a massive vibration developed at 4,000 revs (enough to vibrate my feet off the pegs). Got 'key out of range' warnings making fuel stops nervously when you need to switch off the motor to fill up. It was in the workshop for around 5 weeks in total of the 16 weeks I had it. Had similar electrical issues with my 1200 Super Duke R, got rid also. The Tiger is really impressive, I would say better than the GSA. The guys at KTM were brilliant in trying to sort my SAS but I just probably got a bad one.

That's super annoying! It's strange how some bikes are plagued and others are completely fine. Glad you're happy with your Tiger! They are lovely bikes and a big upgrade from last year A mate of mine had a key range issue on his XR - turned out to be his jacket pocket lining. As soon as he took it out the pocket, it worked straight away. Tried putting my key in his jacket and my bike wouldn't see it either. Not sure what the lining was but obviously it blocked the signal enough to cause confusion in the bike!

​@@ScragNathZnam kolegę, który miał triumph tiger 1200 z 2016 roku. Wymienił go na ktm super adventure 1290 r. Powiedział, że strasznie triumph się psul i nigdy juz nie kupi tej marki. Widocznie trafil na taki wadliwy egzemplarz tak jak Ty w ktm. Pozdrawiam

@@wojciechsochon382 Dziękuję za Twój komentarz. Uwielbiałem KTM, ale zbyt wiele problemów. Osoba, która otrzyma ten rower, będzie miała w pełni naprawiony rower po usunięciu wszystkich problemów. Sprzedałem go, bo stracił połysk.

Hey! Thank you very much! Appreciate you watching! I will ask my dad to reply as he owns the bike and has done lots of miles now! Thank you

@@SamVBikes hello sam, that would be nice to get feedback from your father.

Hi Guido I'm Mick Sam's dad and the Tiger is mine, I thought I would try to answer your questions if I can. I don't find the engine harsh or loud below 3000, in fact Sam is always trying to persuade me to get a louder exhaust. I would say that Sam's KTM is more aggressive in its power delivery which would be nice but he doesn't leave me behind. The Tiger is very flexible in any gear and at any speed although occasionally can be a little harsh at 4000 in 6th gear. I think the Tigers big advantage is the shaft drive as it doesn't seem to any down sides. Hope this helps.

@@mickvincent7357 hello mick, many thanks for your impressions! when I drive normally, I hear a loud knocking sound like a sewing machine? has the problem with the jerk in the shaft drive been fixed with an update? Many thanks for your quick reaction!👍

@@guidokruck2938 I haven't had an update and don't have a problem, my next service at the end of June so I will let you know if anything happens

I'll do you one better - Here are the links! I've included the Hex Ezcan as that's how mine is powered, but you can wire to the battery if you'd like which shouldn't have power draw as long as you turn it off! You might be able to get them cheaper elsewhere but check for import duty on the Touratech bits Locking Garmin Zumo XT Case www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk/satnav-phones/touratech-handlebar-mount-for-garmin-zumo-xt-lockable-black/ GPS Mounting bracket fitted behind the TFT www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk/satnav-phones/touratech-gps-mounting-adapter-above-instruments-for-ktm1290-super-adventure-sr-2021/ Hex EzCan for KTM - INCLUDE Additional Wiring Harness www.abikething.com/product/hex-ezcan-ii-for-ktm-bikes-2021-onwards/ Hope that helps! You shouldnt need anything else (besides the Zumo itself!)

Cheers Sam. That’s very helpful. Top man! All the best and a jolly merry Christmas to you pal.👍🏻

More than welcome! Thank you! Merry Christmas to you too! Have a good one

It was on a really long mount which was awful, so was bouncing around etc. That's now been changed

@@SamVBikes how of with what did You solve it . ?

Temporary solution of a 3D printed mount. Waiting for a better one to come onto market

@@SamVBikes thanks again for your quick response 🙏👍

No problem! Thanks for watching

Haha doesn't help that the camera frame rate makes it look like they are flashing

Haha! His Tiger 900 was green, so he had to go black. Does look really smart

I dont normally bother with the stats on bikes as anyone can look them up, plus there are a million reviews of people reading out the spec sheets haha! I agree though, the torque of the GS makes it so good! The new model SA seem to be way better. Much closer reliability to what they should be. I'm 27k miles in on mine and no issues!

@Sam Vincent not a stat to me, it's how a bike feels when pulling out of slow bends or allows overtakes from higher gears. Good review, by the way though.

Thank you! I have a 2 year ownership in the making which will have a full breakdown of everything! The big ones are Arrow exhaust, Outback Motortek Crash bars, denali S4s with Hex Ezcan, and the remap!

@@SamVBikes Thanks for the info. Looking forward to the full breakdown, since I am in the process of ordering one...

Haha nice!!! Good choice

KTMs are normally worse too! I do wonder if this new model will be better

Yeah definitely interested to see what the new GS is going to be like. I heard a rumour of a 1250 adventure style, and a 1300 more powerful version to compete with the Multi and SAS.. either way should be good! Have you seen the spy shots of the new SuperDukeGT? Not sure I like it, but that might change when it's out

@@SamVBikes saw the spy shots but couldn't make much of them. Will have to wait for the release As you know KTM eventually heavy discount, so won't jump at it straight away Other thing is low centre of gravity whick the Super Adventure has is a big selling point for me, wonder if KTM will do Pikes Peak take off 17 inch front wheel - that would interest me

Yes very true! The low centre of gravity is fantastic especially in traffic! I'd love to see a PP version but I couldn't bring myself to buy one. I'd rather just buy a SuperDuke ha

Talking to a dealer couple of days ago and they said don't expect a new GS till 2025.

Oh wow! Really! I wonder if they are waiting for a new piece of tech to be developed. I'd put my money on it being the LED matrix Headlights we are seeing on cars now

You should get a job at Triumph 😉😂

@@SamVBikes you should get a Triumph🤣

Trying to find a good sales rep haha

It's a Triumph! I think they are all like that. I couldn't find an option for it to be dialable like the KTM. If it's on, it's very aggressive and the dash lights up like a Christmas tree! (Relevant timing for that metaphor!). My friends Tiger 900 is exactly the same!

@@SamVBikes I've seen it done but you have to be really trying to do it rather than just twist the throttle. I can see reasons why Triumph did that but I'd like them to also allow us to decide on hooligan mode or not lol.

Agreed! It's odd that brands give the option to turn off traction control, but it's not completely off too!

@@SamVBikes I just checked the 1200 gt pro manual and there is a selectable option in off-road mode to turn off traction control. Most of the other road modes have separate menu option to turn off traction control. Triumph is basically saying in on-road modes..."are you sure you want to do that?" lol. A bit like windows OS saying "are you sure you want to permanently delete this folder?"

@@shegocrazy Yes! My friend has to do the same on his Tiger 900! I still think its just on or off though, no scalable option. So you cant have it more or less intrusive as far as im aware

Agreed! You definitely have to ride it differently to other bikes. Although I never find it intrusive on the motorway for example, just when it's out of revs or I'm riding fast!

@@SamVBikes As an experiment I have a 40t rear sprocket on order. I think I can install it without breaking the chain and the bike certainly has to power to pull a taller gear.

@@Eric-Marsh ahh interesting! Let me know how it goes!

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to just be KTM anymore. The amount of technology on bikes now is causing more issues than its solving. So many shared components which need to talk to each other in a specific way just means they are prone to issues. Heard many stories in the last year of Triumphs, BMWs, Ducatis and even Hondas with relentless issues

Haha! It is very expensive, but so addictive 😂

@@SamVBikes ✌️😍😍

Same 💪🏼💪🏼

😂😂 yeah pretty spot on... vibrates like a jackhammer but it's fine because it power wheelies in 3rd gear and makes popping noises haha

@@SamVBikes suppose the other bonus of the triumph is they hold their value same as bmw ktm seem to be 15-17k new then about 10k a year old 😂 I passed not long ago and got a 2018 tiger 800xca but already itching for more power

Yeah thats very true! I wonder if that will change with these newer models. Noone seems to want a used KTM because of reliability factors of old, but if the newer ones hold their own like mine, maybe the residuals will start to get better!

@@SamVBikes that’s if the old you get all Features for a month then we’ll turn them off and expect a grand doesn’t put anyone off. And they seem to make updates every year which doesn’t help when most firms have the same model for about 3-4 years 2022 ktm 890 was new now the 2023 one is new again

Yeah very true! The most ridiculous marketing scheme ever!! I agree, let people test ride a bike with it all on then pick what they want.. but teasing then turning it all off is a joke ha

I'm surprised more companies don't go shaft on their big bore bikes. There's enough money in their cost to hide its expense

You're spot on! Have such a laugh on mine!

You can still get a feel for them as the general bikes are the same besides suspension and having wire wheels. I work with what I can as the manufacturers won't lend me bikes with a channel my size, so thought it would be an interesting comparison regardless. I've also taken my road-bias SA off-road more than most owners take their off-road bias ones!