2023 Audi E-Tron | Run From Gen 1? 

"And because this is Savagegeese this car has already been out for X years" is my new favourite introduction by any automotive channel.

Mark's positive enthusiasm is absolutely infectious

It was really difficult for Mark to contain his excitement about this transportation product.

You guys did mention styling. I wish more manufacturers followed Audi in making the EVs look like normal cars. Why does everything need to look like a flipping spaceship?

I really liked the interior having a bit of color for once. Almost every Audi I've seen has black on black and almost imo comes off as "boring" even if that's what their target audience prefers.

I bought one of these used, and love that it doesn't differentiate itself as an electric vehicle or look like a spaceship. Most people walk up to it and don't realize it's an EV. This "soulless luxury box" works for me, except that the software is crap and crashes all the time. Screens go blank, and you'll get warnings that your safety features are disabled until you "reboot" it. I use its ground clearance to get to my wildlands fire volunteer projects (burned out rutted roads) and its cargo space for my house projects--I treat it very much as a working car, not a luxury car. Agree on all points re: range. I'm glad I bought it used, but am already itching for more range. Nice job.

I think what I appreciate most from the Savagegeese boys, is honesty. Another good, honest, review. Thanks, men.

I’ve been subscribed to you for some time and I love it but I’ve missed a lot of videos recently and honestly it’s not you it’s just tough constantly watching videos of things I can and will never own when my fridge at home is empty. My last couple of months has been rough but I hope you guys are doing well and keep up the good videos and work ❤

I LOVE that for once, the outdated, older EV is the one with the touch screens and the newer ones have physical controls. Good on audi for turning the ship around.

I’ve worked for Audi for 24 years on the shop floor! It is One of the best built Audis available to buy currently! Fact! Buy the 55 or S model.

11:45 - Jack hit the hang up button with the quickness when his mistress started calling in the middle of the shoot

Tricky situation for you guys. As much as I hope "because this is Savagegeese we are the last to get it etc" doesn't become a norm, I understand it. I wish you had more subscribers for how great your channel is and the manufacturers took better notice. Perhaps your honesty and technical deep dive is what holds some back. For example Honda and generally Mazda provide great support and info, while others (like the Germans) generally snub you. When it comes to me wanting technical depth, it's Savagegeese all the way, when I need humor it's Throttle House. Between the two my bases are mostly covered, keep it up!!

Great video as always. I'm an Audi fan, I own an etron and agree with everything said in this video about the current e-torn. Although, I'm surprised you guys did not mention the facelift model (renamed Q8 e-tron) that's coming next year which Audi revealed/announced last month that will have 300+ mile range. Side note: I wish you guys did more videos on Audi vehicles, particularly the RS models.

Back roads in Lake County / McHenry County IL, Darrel Rd, Dowel Rd, Neville Rd, I was wondering who's been leaving burn out strips back there on Neville lol. I'm from the area and love the channel! Would love to see you guys on the road one of these days!

$80k is a small price to pay to signal my big throbbing virtue.

Excellent video as always. Mark was hilarious. The whole “we get it EV’s go fast 0-60 there has to be more than this” is dead on

I just bought a used 2019 Prestige for $31k after I had a car totalled in an accident and wasnt prepared to spend in the car market. I love this car and they are a great purchase rn. Same interior and body as the 2023, but the grille is the difference and $30-40k less.

My neighbor had an Etron, but he mainly drove the dealer courtesy car as his daily driver. His Etron would be in Audi's shoppe for weeks at a time

E-tron is unique among all of the EVs in having two induction motors which means it can coast (yes, iX uses externally excited motors, the difference is that iX has wearable parts in them) and a 5700 pound car coasts really well. Taking advantage of that with some awareness of traffic and terrain, I’m routinely seeing around 3 mi/kWh on my 35-65 mph commute which translates to 260+ miles of range, the same as real-world Model Y LR. I got mine before the prices went crazy and with tax credits it cost me less than a Model Y for an actual really nice car.

Absolute on point... once everything is EV we are going to end up buying cars from Samsung and Apple (or whatever other 2 manufacturers end up dominating the space). The same "power plant" in every vehicle means software and infotainment will rule and manufacturers will start to copy each other until we end up with a the only uniqueness being the outside shell of the vehicle. It's just a horrible dystopian outlook for cars and we are being told to lay back, just let it happen and remember to breath. Ugh

Mark is 100% correct about EV's in the Midwest. On my 85 mile (round trip) commute to O'Hare Airport, the only fast charging I know of is the Tesla Supercharger at the Northeast corner of O'Hare. A friend of mine had a Model S, and he got rid of it because the charging in winter here was so slow. He liked the car, but it just didn't work well for his life. Obviously this will improve in the future. I'm actually surprised at the lack of charging in Illinois because at least the Northern part is very progressive. By the way, that range in our winter will be nowhere near what the manufacturers claim, and the cold will likely degrade battery life faster than it would in more temperate climates.

$80k and they just shoved the HVAC controls on a cheap touchscreen instead of investing in tactile controls.

I've been seeing a lot of these more locally. If not pushing any boundaries still a good looking car

Would love to see your review on the new Audi Q4 (maybe not in three years time). It's essentially a VW ID4, same MEB platform, but more Audi-like (or is it?) and way more expensive. We've been having huge software issues in the UK with the first generation so it also raises the interesting question of how you judge these new EV's. Does it ride well and Audi-like? Sure. Does any of the software work? Of course not. Is the trade-off worth it or should it all just work as advertised?

I’d love to see you guys do a comparison of the gas powered and EV versions of the same car, (i.e. eTron vs Q8). My guess is you will have similar comments about both. I say that because you both seem fairly indifferent about this one, but I don’t know that it being EV is necessarily the reason. They both might just be ok vehicles, regardless of drivetrain.

I'm in my second EV Chevy Bolt. My battery is limited to 80% due to a recall, waiting a new battery. My commute is 156 miles round trip. I'm struggling this winter with this car. Some extreme cold weather days I need some charge to make it home. This year with the proliferation of EVs the charger network is jammed packed. That being said. I prefer the driving experience of an EV. Especially compared to modern drivetrains with 4cyl engines boosted to the limits and transmissions that are whiny. That being said, being an early adopter of EVs, the technology is rapidly changing so quickly. I would lease what is affordable, as the tech is changing so fast. Solid state batteries roll be here soon, along with H2 fuel cell electric vehicles. It's a great time to be alive if your a tech guy. I'm also a big car and motorcycle person. I'm not a tree hugger, but love tech and see the revolution of technology coming.

Did they get it up to 7000 lbs yet? I was hoping it could be heavier than the first gen.

I don't understand the 8hr charging time you commented after driving 100 miles. 8hrs sounds like you're going from 0-100% but going only 100 miles shouldn't put you down to 0% which means to charge you should get some quicker charging in the 15-80% range.

You guys should make a standard ev review and copy paste it to future ev reviews.

I have a Polestar 2, an absolutely amazing EV. Dual Motors, 476 HP (Performance Upgrade), 0 to 60 in 4.1 seconds and 240 mile range. I live in California where charging infrastructure is decent, so traveling across the state is no issue. But in hindsight I wish I had just bought the Model 3 Performance, as Tesla is built on a dedicated EV platform, and it's charging infrastructure is second to none. When I travel I have to use Electrify America's charging network, and it doesn't even come close to Tesla's. There was one time in a heavily travelled area between Northern and Southern Cal 3 out of 4 EA chargers were offline, right across was Tesla's charging area with 15 working Fast chargers. Until all the other automakers get their acts together and build on dedicated platforms and properly invest in Fast charging, just get a Tesla, which are amazing vehicles. IMHO of course

I recently traded in my ‘22 Ioniq 5 for a 2019 e-tron with 10k miles. Paid $2k more than what I got for the trade. I highly recommend looking at low mileage 2nd hand versions of this car if you don’t need the longer range.

I’m genuinely surprised y’all don’t have over a million subs. I legit thought you did considering your production and insightful reviews. Keep up the hard work gentlemen 👍

The best thing to look forward to with "early effort" EVs is a huge drop in resale value. Cars like this should become a great value in the future when newer and better EVs hit the market, just as we've seen with the Nissan Leaf, Fiat 500e, BMW i3 and Ford Focus Electric. The Audi E-Tron, Jaguar I-Pace, early model Tesla Model 3 and pre-refresh Chevrolet Bolt will be part of the next generation of affordable used EVs.

You guys have to find a way to review the Škoda Octavia and Superb here. They’re widely regarded as the “value premium” segment and have a bunch of clever features in terms of storage spaces, overall packaging of the platform to enhance interior and boot space etc. Based on VW’s MQB platform. Even though Skoda is not in the US market, it is still a brand worth reviewing and for long-term viewers like me, we would love to know your unhinged opinions on it. I have a feeling you guys would love reviewing it too. It’s probably one of the cars that’d irritate you the least with its absolute lack of gimmicks and great value proposition in the heavily marked up cars that we have today.

It's nice to see other makers get into it that do suspension , interiors , styling , build quality better than TESLA.

"Because this is savagegeese this car has been out for three years." Holy crap, spit my drink on the monitor!

Thank you for making that statement about comments from Californians. I'm born and raised in Orange County, Ca and yes EVs are the future but the rest of the country doesn't have the infrastructure. Green pro EV drivers need to stop being so egocentric because the rest of the country is still gonna take a while to catch up

I love your reviews but I think you guys missed out on what makes the Etron special. I get that you guys focus on the mechanics a lot but this vehicle is about bringing luxury to EV’s. You barely touched on things like the massage seats, automatic fragrance, quality of the interior etc…

Once again, you guys seem to be unable to hide your contempt/distaste for EVs. At least this time, you admit that you’re reviewing a product that was new 3 years ago and that the technology is changing so fast, that it’s almost a waste of time commenting on anything about it. It’s the equivalent of publishing a review of a 3 year old laptop or smartphone. That said, this underscores the importance of considering a lease instead of a loan. The strides in this segment are at such a pace that 3 years is an eternity, much less the 5 or 6 or 7(!) year loan term on a vehicle in this price range. I would like to say that I’m looking forward to you reviewing a more current model, but I doubt that you’ll give it a fair shake because it will be new (with some associated wrinkles that will need ironing out) and it will have piano black finishes and you’ll be apathetic about the sub 4 second 0-60 because so many other EVs are capable of doing the same. Even though if a gas-powered SUV hit the bottom of the on-ramp doing 90, you’d be giggling like little boys. Your criticisms of the charging infrastructure are fine and on-point. However, that’s not the case everywhere and for many people, their situations are such that the lack of fast charging isn’t that much of an issue. Mention it as a cautionary element and move on. Let people determine for themselves if it’s an issue instead of whining about it and making it a hallmark criticism of the product when it’s really just a temporary infrastructure problem that will improve over time. I’m confident that things will be quite different in a years time in that regard, which will make EVs an option for an increasing number of those people that seemingly commute the distance spanning some European countries. My commute and that of most everyone I know is 50-60 miles round trip daily. Even at double that, even this lackluster range vehicle could do the job day in and day out.

Love your channel. I recently got an EV and the Etron was on my list. I crossed it off because of the cost to mileage compared to new models. I think a mileage range close to 300 miles is sufficient even for users with the occasional longer drive as you can reach fast chargers in most areas. Below that is not worth it

Audi is killing it with EV design. I saw an E Tron GT at the golf course a few days ago, I stared at it for like 5 minutes.

Just got to drive one of these as a loaner while my RS3 was in for service! Not a huge fan of touchscreens but if I have to use one, Audi's dual screen system is great. Not really a huge fan of SUV's either but I hadn't really ever driven one (just a family van), and honestly after driving this I kinda get why someone might buy one. Really incredible machine. Still prefer my RS3 lol

I would like to hear you guys concerning tire use and wear. I am hearing whispers that the EV market is hiding the fact that tires for these vehicles will wear very fast, due to weight, and limited tire selection, also due to weight. Thanks for great videos

Would love to see a follow-up video from you on the 2023 Q8 e-tron facelift, and specifically on the tech changes, whether the larger battery pack and faster charging make a relevant difference to its standing in the market. Finding a jumping in point for the ICE to EV transition is tough

Are you guys sure you have gotten the 2023 model year? This still looks like the pre facelift and also it is now marketed as Q8 etron.

I love my e-tron, but I have to say, even living in CA, the big downside to this is still the charging network. Electrify America continues to drop the ball with non-working chargers becoming the norm and slow charging speeds. I haven't seen the 150kW speed at an EA station after the first 2 months of owning the car. Now it is constantly charging at 50-60kW.

These are depreciating very well. The range is the major issue but could be partially mitigated with decent charging infrastructure. EA appears to be limiting charging rate on many fast chargers and its not unusual to have road trip charging issues as a result. (maybe states mandating a cost per minute rather than kwh rate means EA will lower charge rates to optimize revenue). At the time of this writing, the top spec Prestige model can be had from a dealer for about $40k with a bit of oem warranty left. The premium plus base model is as low as $35k with high miles and a few grand more with 20-50k miles. Note that the steep depreciation will likely continue, so 3 year ownership costs might still be high, even with fuel savings. I drove a Prestige and a “base” model, the 21” rims on the Prestige have a firmer ride but better turn in. The base model had a very absorbent ride. I can see grabbing one in the mid to low $30’s, they seem pretty reliable ( I know Audi Reliable) and it is a very nice place to sit and travel. Electricity to run it ( free public chargers steps from my home ) is currently free for me, so $2600 per year savings vs. my 23mpg gas car 12,000 miles, premium fuel (roughly 525 gallons per year @ $4-5 per gallon)

run from gen 1? there's still no second gen, only a facelift, so still gen 1

Why are there bleeder valves on the lower control arms

i have one, wife didnt like the quality of the model y, she wanted something quiet, comfortable and luxurious. range is decent for short distance drivers, for 2024 model, next spring, they are upgrading the range to 370+, which i think will make this car super competitive

You guys are grumpy 😠 BUT... Well done for keeping your integrity, instead of playing the RU-vid car reviewer game and flattering manufacturers, so they can give you the chance to test their latest scam products first. You've said what you really thought, and that's commendable

Consumers should lease this vehicle at the most.

I do dig the exterior design. Thanks for the review.

Mark, the issue of there not being enough chargers for the number of EV’s currently on the market is much like how the early days of the cell phone market played out. Early cell phones were expensive, offered minimal battery life, had terrible service (too few cell towers), etc. But fast forward 25 years, we now all carry around smart phones more powerful than many desktop computers and can get a full days use out of them in just about every area of the country and world. It’s going to take time to build out the EV infrastructure which isn’t a problem as it’s going to take a similar amount of time to get EV adoption numbers up. And for those people telling you that in the real world, charging at home is the norm and daily use is driving less than 50 miles - they’re right, for the vast majority of people. Even if you drive 100 miles a day in an EV with a 225 mile range, when you plug in at home at night, you only need to slow charge to make up the 100 miles of battery you used - which is less than half the total battery.

Yeah well now you can get 2021-2023 MY used for $40-50k. For $45k on a low mile prestige seems like a solid buy.

Watching Mark review EVs reminds me so much of Reverend Lovejoy with his trains. If passengers will look to their right, you will see a sad man

Overall, a lot of fair criticism in this one. Few thoughts: people are hung up on the $82k fully loaded figure, but the $67k base price on these doesn't stand out from the competition quite so badly, and unlike some competitors, there's little or no markup on these since Audi has marketed them with the same level of enthusiasm Mark has brought to this video, really underlining the "compliance car" vibe. These remain a very solid niche option for consistent long-range commuter driving paired with home charging, but are hard to recommend outside of that niche.

I feel so seen! I get what you’re saying here and on the other EVs, and I think with this car I finally understand your concern about how quickly they can become obsolete. I get you guys make a point of actually constructively criticizing cars regardless of their propulsion or purpose, but perhaps it’s just feeling a little stale to hear the same complaints within every EV review. I appreciate that your criticism is constructive and actually founded in reality unlike many EV decriers. You’ve mentioned before that EVs have notoriously high rates of leasing vs buying but I don’t know how much of a problem that is when leases still end up in the hands of second and third owners. I’m in the camp where the specs of this platform are very usable and more than enough and at used prices it becomes compelling again. Perhaps the obsolescence cycle for the bleeding edge will start to resemble smartphones, but there is definitely still demand for the older products or lower end platforms. Also, I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m not concerned about end of life just because of the usefulness of even batteries too degraded for automotive use - they can be reused for home storage or battery pack repairs and fetch good prices, and I think many manufacturers will start to implement something like Ford’s lease return or some kind of recycling program to reclaim materials or recycle cells for future batteries. Yes, the EV market isn’t ideal in terms of repairability, obsolescence, material sourcing, charging infrastructure, price, and availability, but considering how early on we are, how low the market share is, and how far away legitimate EV mandates are, it’s pretty good. Regarding this specific Audi, I will say this car felt a bit outdated even when it came out, in large part because of how underrated and over-buffered the battery pack was designed to avoid winter range loss, degradation, and unexpected shortfalls in range. They even unlocked part of the buffer in an update once they saw how understressed the battery was, which I can appreciate. I actually wonder if these early cars will end up with better longevity than future models because of the engineering caution and safeties that are built into the early technology. Aside from better capacity and better efficiency, a lot of manufacturers are focusing on optimizing charging and power draw to maximize power, range, and charging speed while decreasing capacity and cost. I wonder if that will bite us in the ass 20 years down the line when optimized cars will actually degrade while something like this e-tron will be the understressed V8 of EVs with 1C, and uses some of the smallest buffers in the industry, and even still their high mile examples maintain a lot of the range. I guess a lot of the optimization is also focused on battery monitoring and health optimization which can still counteract the higher peak charging rates it can achieve. Oh and, you do know your job of driving cars around just see how they drive isn’t actually a common job (and thus an illustrative use case), right? I mean hell, if it were, I’d sign up for a test driving job lol Edit: one more thing - you mention that all the EVs you drive are indistinguishable from each other lately. Two questions: is this a bad thing in a commuter crossover that you want to be quiet, capable, and comfortable? And do 2.0t premium crossovers really feel all that different from each other either when you’re not pushing their dynamic limits? Oh damn, I’ve got a third question - while I admit it’ll be hard for luxury makers to distinguish their cars, isn’t this great for mainstream buyers who can get the quiet luxury EV experience in a cheaper car and just sacrifice some leather and a couple touchscreens? You’ve mentioned this in reviews of lower end FWD German sedans and crossovers that they don’t feel any more special than their sound isolated leather clad mainstream counterparts, so I don’t see how it’s that different in EVs.

In SoCal we have allowed amount of kw for each house hold depending on number and income level. Once you go over that price goes up to punish you for using too much. Over this summer my electric bill was close to 450 a month. Not really planning to buy 80k ish electric car anytime soon.

I'm in agreement that for the initial price of over $80k and the pace of technology changes. But a used Audi Etron for under $30k is a great option. Plus this charges faster than many of its competitors.

I am happy to live in a country with High Power Charger nearly every 50 miles, so an e-tron with all its comfort and luxury stand out against the socalled modern cars.

I thought they are releasing the new Q8 E-Tron with 300miles range for 2023 instead of this

Man, I can't wait for you guys to review the Lucid Air.

I live in Texas. 230 mile range? That won't get me to the next town and back. There are days I'd have to charge twice.

Conflicted on this. I buy Audi so I don't stand out driving luxury, but then how will everyone know I'm driving electric and care about the environment? Maybe I can get a 'my other car is an EV' sticker for the 6.7 Cummins.

I would love to see the daily data for someone who drives more than even this dated car could handle. Imagine driving ~150+ full speed highway miles a day, every day of the week. Literally no one does this who isn't driving for a living. That's basically 3 hours of full highway driving a day (no stop and go).

You guys are talking about trading in a car every 3 to 5 years for the next version being a bad thing. That is what people have been doing for decades, prior to EV technology even being a thing. You should be happy technology and EV battery range increasing so fast as a good thing, not a bad thing. Do you really want cars to not improve?!

Mark: so this Audi is just like the Korean EVs, and all electric cars drive the same. Jack: well it drives like an Audi, with much better ride and handling characteristics than a Kia product. Mark: right. that.

The argument that all we need in EV range is the average user's commute does not wash. People who claim that, either simply do not understand the most basic statistics or work in marketing. To put it in understandable terms: It's like claiming that since the average US adult height is 5'7" then that's the maximum sized clothes we need.

The comment I will add is that yes, there are people who smartphone upgrade every year or two years, but we've evolved past the need for that and plenty of people use the phone they have until they run it into the ground and its unusable. Since we're not dealing with the realities of software complexity creep or other pressures that cause smartphones to fall obsolete in 5-10 years, an EV that fits your usage case today will continue to fit your usage case 10 years from now, *unless that usage case changes*. Yes, I *could* turn around and buy the 2028 audi e-tron that does 0 to 60 in [limited by tire tech and pavement quality] and has an 800 mile range, but if I personally don't have a use for that extra range and acceleration, why spend the money? That's not to discount your points about infrastructure or rapid advancement, but it's worth considering that serial car leasers already exist today and it's not like that's a new concept.

I think you’ve summarized it well. For an Audi enthusiast and an EV early adopter this will be fine.

I think you’ve got the realities of Midwest vs California living backwards. Very few people commute 100mi day and certainly not in small midwestern towns where people can charge at home. In contrast, CA commutes can be very long. People fixate so much on range when the reality is the data shows most will never need it except on rare road trips. However, I agree the charging infrastructure for long rides in the Midwest is not adequate and desperately needs to improve. For now, EVs are an obvious replacement for a second car while keeping an ICE or hybrid for the rare road trips in thebmidwest

At first I was intrigued by ev's. Now after seeing their development and the way the charging infrastructure and services have so far been implemented, and the fact that these vehicles are about to be forced on us. I've lost all interest. When I hear kWh quotes, charging and range states my brain switches off like my wife's does if I talk about HP cylinders.

I enjoyed the unique review style of your video. Subbed.

The car is not bad at all, but the grille is not nice. For some reason, the designers (almost all of them) aren't able to draw a good (aesthetically) grille when they draw an electric car, in which there's no need of a real grille to cool the engine. Thank you for the video... it's confirmed that I don't like electric cars.

Realized I drive this road all the time for my daily commute. Shoutout lakemoor Illinois!

Had this car for 3 months… went from Seattle to Portland and almost got stranded thanks to Electrify America… most of their chargers were down on our way to Oregon… Range is the biggest issue when it comes to this car.

Final thoughts~~~~ price is insane !

Hey guys, can you get a Polestar 2 to review finally? Roast my 2023 LRDM!

I’m interested in seeing what the unfortunate folks in California do when there are so many EVs in California that they are told they can only charge on even or odd days of the month. And if you decide to charge you are not allowed to run your AC unit or pool filter.

Without being compelled to make these things by force of law how many would we see? The rapid acceleration is the shiny object dangled in front of us to get us to buy in, the reality is that it is a gimmick. It is still a 6,000 pound vehicle, it takes a lot of energy to move it around, that has to come from somewhere, be it natural gas, coal, jet fuel, nuclear or the "green" sources, which are not so green when you look into them. A 6,000 pound vehicle will use up tires more quickly than a 4,000 pound one, it will be a higher net consumer of energy than a lighter vehicle. When governments decide that rapid acceleration is anti-social they will limit the power of those vehicles, we will be left with glorified golf carts and have no recourse. Enjoy your brave new world.

I am a bit confused. You kept saying this car has been out for three years and tghis is your first time reviewing it. So did you show and drive the original version, or the 2023 (which I did not think was available yet as I have seen no other test drive videos)?

I don't think the EV vehicles will be vastly different in 3 to 4 years. Once there is a breakthrough in battery technology, yes. Right now I feel like most manufacturers are still in the transition period from a old platform to a new one better suited for ev's.

Love how you did not edit-out the call near the end of drive

100 mile ev range phev is the future

It seems pretty counterintuitive to make a static screen for climate controls. Why not just make them physical?

«Sounds good Jack» I can feel the excitement!! :P

Is this the existing e-tron or the new Q8 e-tron with a larger battery pack?

We bought a 2022 Sorento PHEV for my wife a few months ago, it does most of it's driving in EV mode; we bought it knowing that we'd own it for ten years and dump it; it's an appliance and one that will be (relatively) short lived as technology marches forward. I'm on the other end of the spectrum, IS350, which with regards to technology, was outdated when it came out, but I'm not worried about keeping it past the 10 year mark as it's just always going to work. I'd like to be in an EV, but they fall into four camps - CUV, econo-box, 6-figures, or made by Tesla and I want none of that. Ioniq 6 is supposed to come out next year, so I'll give that a look, wish they made a wagon version (VW id.VIZZION is coming, but their 400v EV architecture is "outdated" already).

PLEASE can you soon do a talk on your Volvo issues? I am considering a V90 (there are so few luxury wagon options in USA) but I am very put off Volvo because of you mentioning having issues. I would love to k ow what you think. Is it still ok to buy a Volvo but just get a warranty? Or just avoid at all costs and don’t touch them? I was thinking a 2020/21 with about 30k miles. I would get a 3-5 year warranty on it. But I’m open to advice!

You made a very good point, Mark, about the average person's daily commute outside your average Californian. I am from Las Vegas, and my daily commute is 62 miles round trip. Luckily, my drive is all highway, so I can average 35mpg with my supra, but I still have to fill up every week at 400 miles.

I need to see a scatterplot of Golf, Golf wagon, Taos, Tiguan, T-Roc, Arteon, Atlas, Macan, Cayenne, Panamera, Taycan, Q3, A5, Q5, A5, Q7, A7, Urus. Wheelbase, interior volume, engine displacement where applicable, hp/trq, 5-80 mph time, energy consumption, and vehicle weight. The thumbnail picture looks like a crossover cute-ute light SUV, though you present it as a hatch A8 comparable to the Taycan.

JACK SAID IT!! Omg he said the name! 🤗

Another valium laced review. When are you coming to E Lakeview for a ride in my >1000 HP Lucid Air GT-Performance?

I sat in the back of this and the regular q8. There is no comparison. The q8 is so much more roomy and comfortable. This e-tron felt claustrophobic and not luxurious at all.

@0:37, Marty Robbins. Keep up the great work with the music boys.

I’m on my 3rd EV. And I’ll be completely honest to all of you EV skeptics and people who are interested in the tech. You need a car/truck/suv that can get 300 mi of range (freeway @ 70mph). Anything less will be painful and annoying. My Rivian can get 270-280mi out of a charge with the 20” off road tires. It’s a tad lower than I’d prefer - but I don’t like the alternative on-road wheels & tires, that get ~340 highway miles. Cold temps you lose range, running the heater you lose range, driving above the speed limit you lose range. 200mi is not enough in 2023. Minimum should be 300mi. At 65mph that’s 4.5hrs of driving, 30min to fill up. That’s OK in my book.

I live in Southern Cali and more specifically in LA county. I frequently travel from LA to OC county all the time. I can tell you the infrastructure here is still not up to par where it is “convenient” to travel more than 200 miles in a day and find a suitable charging station that is either not it already taken or broken.

I drove the original e-tron when it first came out. It was impressive, but for the price, the range was the killer for me. Fast forward 4 years, I’ve owned a few EVs (Teslas Model 3 and Y, Niro EV). While range is not a concern for me at this point (our Niro EV is rated for 239 but gets closer to 300 even in the cold weather), the reason why the range is a killer for the e-tron is the size of the battery. It’s 95kw, yet barely gets 240 miles! That shows me they are way behind in the tech. If they had thrown a 70kw battery in there and dropped the price to 65k, they may sell more. But, for that sized battery and price, it needs to go beyond 300 miles.

Im worried about the future of good car content like this show. If every car eventually ends up being mostly the same. You can feel thier bordom.