2023 DAIWA EXCELER Analysis and comparison with 2023 LEGALIS 

If this is what Daiwa plans on selling in the USA, i will start recommending the new Sahara over the USA models of Legalis. Sahara is heavier, but the rotor spins like NOTHING

@@ifishcatfish I have been using Saharas last 10 years I'm happy with them. Great review sir!

First of all, great to see you again! We should do some kind of video together sometimes.. Now on the the reel - yes, the oscillation gear had some grease, that i removed, if that grease makes touches the frame when its turning its gona add resistance. However I cannot reconcile your report on no resistance on your Exceler with my own observations. Daiwa had 2 more excelers at iCast with exact same resistance. Also several people reported the resistance on their reels to me a few months ago, before i even did this review, so they have not really been biased by me. One gentleman just told me that even his 2500 has too much resistance, and another said the new Regal (same reel) has the same resistance. Maybe u bought a batch that was assembled where the Japanese legalis was assembled, but the reels out for sale right now are pretty tight, and not in a good way.

My brotha, when are you going to start making more videos? I thought you said you were gonna make a comeback! I need info on that ‘24 Certate. Have had it in my cart for a while now. By the way I have a new 2000 Exceler and I also don’t feel any crazy stickiness/resistance.

We're all waiting for your videos again!

@@gabrielvasquez-chan7504 Please do not buy any modern diawa reels... Every single high end daiwa MQ reel ive bought went to shit faster than any other reels ive owned. Most recent and last high end daiwa purchase was a Certate 19 lt and it felt worse than my Fuego LT after 2 months of fishing, hell it felt worse than the low end penns, I sent it in for service and paid $60 for a new gear set just to have the same issue a few months later. Same thing with a Saltiga BJ 4000 after a single day of wide open albies. I dont care what they did to the gears on the new model certate, im CONVINCED these new high end daiwas are made to fail and get sent in for service. I finally managed to sell off my certate and im absolutely positive ill never purchase another modern daiwa reel again. Ive switched exclusively to shimano and will not be looking back, my twinpower FDs have been absolutely abused for the past 2 years and still feel nearly new, and these new FE twinpowers feel even nicer.

wow tackle advisors is here...When will you start making video

that is indeed lucky

they started using wave shims there and behind the oscillation worm. Perfect fit without need for perfect shimming. Wave shims are great

definitely, especially if u want to use it in salt occasionally

is this opinion or u have some proof? That would match my own speculations too, but i would love to get some proof, not just speculations

Never change your avatard......ever!!!!

@@ifishcatfish Lots of people complain on the baitcaster side of shimano reels. I ordered a brand new aldebaran mgl 30 like 2 weeks ago. Received it, and it was the reel that you had to put the most force into to turn the handle. It was so annoying i had to see what's up, so i strip it completely, and every single bearing was filled with ultra thick grease, something i've never seen from daiwa (i mostly buy daiwas or old shimanos which didn't have this annoyance). Its grease 100%. I assume they do this for two reasons. Firstly, it dampens the sound a bearing will make, and secondly, think grease will last longer. Since they don't expect you to ever service a reel, it makes sense, but if you service your reels yearly, its so stupid.

@@TackleAdvisors 😆😆where the hell are the vids, bruh. unless you work for the cia, there's no way you can't find time to cover the new juicy and overpriced as hell 24 steez.

@@ifishcatfish Not sure what happened with my last comment, it disappeared. But yes, its from experience. I bought an Aldebaran mgl 30 about 2 weeks ago, and uppon arrival, the handle had so much resistance i myself thought there was some kind of an issue since i am used to daiwas and older shimanos that never sufference from this. After disassembling it completely, and testing all the bearings, its the damn grease, its much thicker than normal, and there's more of it than before. I assume they do this for two reasons. Firstly, it dampens the sound of every bearing, making the reel more silent. Secondly, because shimano doesn't expect their customers to service their reels, they put a thicker grease because it'll stay on friction parts for longer than a low viscocity grease, keeping the reel "smoother" and more silent for longer.

good info - thank you

where did u buy it?

that is bad news about the 2500 size Exceler, but out of Japan i have received nothing but good feedback. Which exact model did u order? Give me the letters

@@ifishcatfish Exceller LT2500D-XH, and Legalis LT2000S-P

@@danspanos i have that same model man... it feels like empty.. it is phenomenal. This is all very confusing

@@ifishcatfish I know you have the same model. It's the one you told me to get. I'm thinking they might have some QC issues going on in their reels under $100. It's the only explaination I can think of. I guess I need to open them up to see if they are severely overgreased.

Maybe send it to me... im curious now. I have received nothing but amazing feedback for this reel.

yes! And the older generation has some great discounts right now

@@ifishcatfish my last reel purchase for awhile will be a new Ultrgra. Mine went in the dirt twice after tripping on the trail and spent 30 seconds on the lake bed after flipping my kayak. It still functions but probably has the same resistance as a new Exceler..

@@jimpeterson3806 I will take that kastking you have over this exceler that was sent to me every time

@@ifishcatfish love that on my 7' Presso as a float setup! 👍👍

what color is it? If u bought it from US amazon you probably got the older model. New model is not even sold here

how was the reel? Is the knob removable?

which country r u from?

@@ifishcatfish Malaysia 😁

@@natebonebusta same. Samenline roller bushings. Everything same but resistance and handle

theoretically this is possible, but that assumes such GLARING INCOMPETENCE on the side of Daiwa, that the probability of this being true is pretty much zero. All reels are like that, and the new Regal is like that too. I just can't believe Daiwa engineers don't know how to shim

@@ifishcatfish Since the housing is not precision-made, manual adjustment of the main gear backlash is necessary. It is understood that the assembler must install the required number of shims until the backlash is eliminated, but not clamp the main gear to the point of heavy rotation. But apparently Daiwa does not spend money on assembly, limiting itself to installing the same number of washers in each reel. Just yesterday I received a 21 Twin Power XD that had heavy knob rotation and play in the main gear. I replaced the washer in the knob with a thinner one, rotation became easy. A washer will have to be added to eliminate play in the main gear. The reels are not manufactured perfectly and are not assembled perfectly. You just need to come to terms with it.

The problem is that in my case i put it back with the same shims and the reel freed up significantly. So the theory you are describing doesn't fit. Also, adding shims to the main gear can only reduce axial free play, but not radial. A reel of the caliber of Twinpower will never have axial free play, i dont care who assembled it. They do have radial free play, but there is nothing you can do about that with shims.

i did this with my 1000 S Legalis (5.2:1 Ratio) Brand new condition: 3 washer (2 thin washer and 1 thick washer) i feel the drivegear touching the pinion when i reel them After removing 2 thin washer: so smooth...there's no feeling of the gear touching, just a little bit actually, like it's 90% gone

they are just old models of daiwa, just like bass pro shops sells old models of daiwa under theirr name. THere is no difference i features, only color. Price is not even better, if u compare them with the old models of daiwa, which are discounted right now

Makes sense. I tried to call Pure Fishing to find out if they are ever going to again produce the 6 ft 6 “ Micro Series Rods. Like most American corporations these days, they kept me on hold for five minutes, listening to terrible musical. All designed to tire the consumer out and make them go away. With me , I made it to leave the message in the voice box phase and they will call me back. Of course, they never did.

what size reel are u talking about?

@@ifishcatfish 2500 The old 2500 Fuego that I had, actually came with an air bail and a removable knob.

Hmm.. 1000 is just a different spool.. I don't know, maybe u got lucky..

is Legalis even sold in USA? I know its sold in Europe, and , yes, with the old hex handle..

@@ifishcatfish it was posted by DaiwaAustralia a year ago on RU-vid for reference

​@@shughart7Yeah the JDM has the screw in and australia has the 'screwed over' reel 😂

i agree extra fast is disease but don't give recommendations where to buy to avoid liability. People get reel with noise and they blame me

@@ifishcatfish I understand. Thank you

No, it is different. I have both the old and the new at my tackle shop

@@ifishcatfish its different?? A compare of both would be helpful. I have a spare sic line roller from my previous exceller and i hoped i could fit it

i already have installation videos for both reels, just search for them

different purpose reels, they are not alternatives. This is freshwater ultralight reel. Stradic is heavy duty saltwater reel

maybe i will get one daiwa and replace every single bearing with ceramic, just for kicks : )

@@ifishcatfish Already done this with baitcasters, they become way too noisy.

depends on the location. If it is a high speed location, like inside the rotor nut of the Vanford, you can't put ceramic because it spins too fast and u will hear the noise. But u can put them on the main gear and on the locomotive gear and that won't make any noise. Same way if u put ceramic bearings in a knob u will never hear noise, just because u have to spin fast to hear the noise.

@@ifishcatfish I ran dry cermic hybrids, not even full ceramic, and it was significantly noisier than standard bearings. I have no idea how it would be on a spinning reel, but after having replaced all 7 internal metal bearings to ceramic hybrids, your could absolutely hear it more than standard, and even more so when the reel is under load. But at the same time, turning the handle was the free'st i have ever felt on a reel.

Maybe some of them spin pretty fast.. On a spinning reel it should be fine. Actually if u zoom in this video, u will see that i have a ceramic bearing under the locomotive gear on my reel : )

I just talked to another bulgarian, u can find his comment below somewhere... Seems like the reel sold in Bulgaria (and all of Europe) doesn't even have the screw-in handle. My recommendation is the same - if u want one of these reels, buy the Fuego, or order the same reel but from Japan. Daiwa keeps playing these shenanigans pissing everybody off, but i suspect there may be a backlash from it..

Got mine on ebay for 80 bucks ship from Japan. Only took 3 days as they ship dhl. Just make sure you get the one with gold handle and year 23 model. I also got the ceramic bearing for knob and line roller bearing from ifish

shallow spools do not cast farther, not sure who told u that but its not true. The only benefit is there is less line to put on the reel to fill it up

@@ifishcatfish thanks sir Your advices are better than any other fisherman I've ever met! legit, trusted and reliable

yessir!

yes. As a matter of fact i just got another offer to sell it yesterday, but i wont. I won't even sell my 2017 legalis

@@ifishcatfish 2017 is the best design of the legalis i think

@@Draznesht im not sure why u say that. The new Legalis is lighter, less intertia, and other than aesthetics its better in everything

some people here say their exceller doesn't have resistance. I don't know but the ones i saw were bad. Either way that reel is a bad deal even if u don't get the resistance.

black larvaZ.. thats pretty much it right now, since the trout magnets got shrank.. : ) I saw some chinese worms were pretty good but dont know the name.

where did u buy this reel?

@@ifishcatfish Europe more specific Bulgaria. Came up with schematics and everything at first i thought i was getting scammed xD.

@@desislavgospodinov5309 that is good information. Very disapointing though... But i have to recommend the same thing for Europe that i recommend for USA than - buy the Fuego, or buy the Legalis from Japan.

@@ifishcatfish jdm is like +1 tier of quality. Bought a jdm okuma itx-cb 2500 i was very pleasently surprised, compared to a dissapointing okuma ceymar hd 1000 i had bought a year ago.

I dont think this is QC. All reels are like that

All parts in Exceller 23 and Legalis 23 are THE SAME. They are not 'compatible', they are THE SAME. U can take any part of one reel and put in the other.

@@ifishcatfish danke.🙏 Silver handle zum legalis 23 lt 1000?

yeah, i don't think its a problem in the big models.. Stradic FM has pretty good resistance too though, not the best comparison

they are always smooth, all of them. Thats not what this video was about.

yes, when its new u don't think about it, but a year later it can bother u bad