Dual injection system (both port and direct) on the GR Corolla, allowing you to just drop in larger port injectors, unlike the CTR which needs a $3k upgrade. That coupled with the G16 in the Corolla having incredibly thick cylinder walls which it allow it to 550whp so far.
Toyota; the side bulges, we miss bulges, thank you Toyota. : ) Hongad; the interior, loving the low slung interior, thank you Honda. : ) The request was for the ''single'' coolest feature of each car, so yeah. :/
This is the comparison everyone has been waiting for. The awesome thing about these 2 cars is that no matter which one you choose everyone is a winner. The amount of passion both Toyota and Honda have put into these cars is inspiring. I am just glad cars like these are still being made.
two cars that are essentially not obtainable without paying a ridiculously high premium. Glad they make them, but the law of supply and demand makes these cars absolutely not worth the money. . Period
They say sport/enthusiast cars just don’t sell and that’s why we have so many SUV’s, but I strongly believe that hasn’t been the case since at least 2017. If Honda and Toyota built 50k of these each year they would sell out.
I disagree. We the car enthusiasts took for granted the presence of ‘affordable’ performance japanese cars in the market for so many years straight that after all the economic crisis impacting our world recently we are realizing how spoiled we where. As a result, the 400Z, GR86 and the two in the video above represent holy grail like cars in a slowly decaying mass global car industry so people is willing to go nuts for them at the dealers. My point being, if Toyota and Honda made 50.000 of them every year none of us would be losing our minds about getting them at any cost. Also, most could end up selling below msrp even. There’s a reason why Mitsubishi and Subaru stopped producing this type of cars as their sales decreased every passing year… And thus the more profitable ‘Suv Route’ was born.
@@Youtubax I disagree. The market hasn’t had good affordable sports cars until recent. N now there not enough of them to go around so the price is going threw the roof also causing slower sales.
A more apples to apples comparison with a circuit or core w/ performance pack to the pricing/weight is similar and the tires are the same would be a great thing to watch. Also maybe a full lap time between the two instead of the 30 second course shown in the video. The best comment from the clip and the reason I think the GR Corolla is the “winner” (paraphrasing- while smiling) “I can’t believe Toyota actually made this”
This IS apples to apples. The Morizo edition is like a baby step up from a core Corolla with a change of tires and a tune. If you want to count unclipping the rear seat and lifting it out, go ahead. The Morizo Edition, it's the same car.
This test has nothing in common with a track. It's something improvised that Toyota, being narrow and small, fits better. On the circuit Honda wins by 1-2 sec and on the Green Hell Toyota loses by 30 sec
@@davothegreat9990 either way even a long enough straight away the civic will still reel the back seatles morizo edition grc in, and overtake it. I sure would love to see the other versions . And just wait for the special edition type r. The advantaged overrated Corolla barely beats it in a drag .
By your logic, Civic JUST has more horsepower, JUST has the bigger engine with a whole extra cylinder, yet, the Civic R gets gapped by the GR Corolla in a 1/4 mile drag, gapped on the skidpad in lateral g's, gapped in snow, gapped on gravel, and gapped for sure if any type of serious tuning begins to happen to either vehicle. This thing was built on top of a WRC-esque platform.
I just don't understand why you'd want a GR Corolla Morizo. Rear seat delete makes it impractical as a daily, which means it's only suitable to be a weekend/fun car, and at the price there are much better options for that. I suspect most people buying these are just garaging them as an investment.
They are only making 500. More of a collector's car or major track enthusiast with a bunch of money. I think it is cool it's an option. Even if it is extremely limited
They could have saved making this stupid edition and gave back 500 more core or circuit editions that people will buy. Supply will be low enough as it is…. 👎
@@mrblackbond i kind of agree. Doesn't seem like this version does enough to make it a better track car to justify the cost of developing it, especially given the small size of the production run. The only point seems to have been creating an instant collectible, which is good for wealthy collector types I guess but doesn't do much for the sort of buyer, the person who wants a relatively affordable driver's car, that this thing is supposedly intended for. I guess I'm back to not really getting this point of this car again lol.
I'm saying put em on track. Civic would blow the doors. This seems a bit 1 sided but hey I'll wait for best motoring and dori dori for true track stuff. Good video
I disagree. Gr corolla is all wheel drive and lighter. You just mad because your type R fanboy but you don't even own any of these cars so stop crying noob
The Core edition is easy to get though, and the performance of the Morizo edition wouldn't even be considered light modification. Using the Morizo is smart, it shows you what you'll have.
The Core Edition GR Corolla Performance pack at $39,000 beats the Civic R in the drag and in cornering lateral g's on the skidpad too. Same exact car. This Morizo edition just shows what the car can do with better tyres and a light tune with zero engine or turbo upgrades. I don't think the back seat matters much, the weight is negligible and removing 2 clips to take a back seat out of of any car also a non-issue.
Love that Honda sticks with FWD !!!👌👌👌 Handling, And STOPPING are sooo important ; and FWD helps with these two abilities!!! HONDA knows FWD brings other things to the table instead of just focusing on speed. They are dominating Formula 1 they have enough data to make a faster vehicle, but Honda doesn’t just aim for speed, they think of the Overall performance of the vehicle!!!🙏 It fits 4 persons while also being a Track vehicle!!! This is why I would go with the Honda Type R. 🙂
@@ll.7927 Actually years of Honda engineering science has proven it a fact: Hence this car Excels in curved roads and tracks.🙂 Honda is understanding & improving FWD to the point where it is reaping its hidden benefits. 🙂 The cons of FWD are being reduced greatly with Honda, so we shouldn’t freeze the past FWD experiences. Improvement in FWD is evident. But Ive said enough, ill let the car keep talking with its actions. 🙂
I disagree, Toyotas generally last longer than Hondas, and interior quality isn't what you are buying the vehicle for. The GR Corolla is the mechanically superior vehicle, and with all wheel drive, it can race on snow and gravel too.
I just think the GR Corolla Morizo isn't the version you should compare with the Type R. It's missing the rear seats and practicality expected of a hot hatch. The Circuit edition would have been the better match version in terms of price as well. But the GR Corolla is unobtainium right now and surcharges of $10k are not uncommon...
Why test Morizo with Cup 2s and the Type R without them? Also, the Morizo is way more expensive and hardly any will be available. Should have tested the Circuit Edition.
No one is going to put Cup 2s on a front wheel drive Civic. The Morizo is a Core edition with "enhancements" that a school girl could pay for, lifting out the back seat might be more challenging for her though. The Morizo edition is what you will easily have if you love your Core Edition.
@@sunrisesunset1734 Type R drivers absolutely would take Cup 2s. In fact, its an option offered by Honda. Car and Driver tested both the Cup 2 Type R and Morizo (with Cup 2s) around VIR and the Type R beat it by almost a second.
@@sunrisesunset1734 Toyota made the unconventional decision to go with a 3 cylinder (2.0 liter 4 cylinder is still small). That being said, I'd pick the GR Corolla if I was going to mod due to the AWD. Two awesome cars.
I put 3 deposits down and am now on a wait list for a Type R, a Golf R and a Type S. My local Toyota dealer couldn't even add me on a list as he expects a very small allocation for the next 3 years. I'm told to "possibly" expect a Type R or Golf R in 2024 or 2025. I have a good chance for the Acura this fall. At 49 years old, I think the Type S suits me best, but the AWD of the Golf and Corolla would certainly be an asset here in Canada. We shall see when the time comes, I suppose. Fingers crossed that at least one comes in.
I have 2 deposits down for a GR Corolla and one for a Golf R. I currently drive a Veloster N which is a lot if fun, but with fwd I get lots of spin and wheel hop and have trouble putting down the power. AWD will solve that problem.
The problem with this comparison, the GR Corolla Morizo edition is so limited production you can’t not get one period. Maybe spending 30K markup will. Fair and more realistic comparison would be Circuit or Core with performance package vs the type r. Personally Civic wins for being a better engaging car ie better steering, shifting, breaking feel. In other hand GR Corolla Core model with performance package only would be the best bang for the buck coming in at under 40K and with AWD for 4 season settings. As for the markups you can get both for a msrp if you can wait. I am higher in the waiting list for both cars at msrp. Civic was a lot harder to find one but in about a year or so I should be able to get both so I need to decide by then which one to get
Nonsense, the Morizo is the same exact car with a light tune if you want to call a few foot pounds of torque a tune, and some stickier tyres. Morizo performance is obtainable in a Core edition for less than a Morizo actually costs. You are paying for exclusivity and a collectors item, that's all.
Great video. Glad to see both of these in the US. Having said that, the US obsession with family sedan sports cars is a buzz-kill. A Moriso without a rear seat but 4 doors??? Really? Why? And the Type R as a family sedan??? It needs to be a proper hot hatch, two doors, tiny wagon layout .... Heck, we don't even RALLY in this country. No WRC stop in the US. I wish we did. Then again, the US obsession with round oval Nascar, probably prohibits it indefinitely.
Sorry for the poor English. I'm currently owning a Mazdaspeed 3 Gen 2, if I interested to replace it with another JDM Turbocharged it will be a harder choice for me, I like the engineering of the GR Corolla, they really put a lot of efforts onto it, but I just don't like the cabin design on another hand, I like the heritage of the Type R, yet to own a Honda not to mention a red badge and it might be last petrol version from the series, but the fact of its another FF Turbocharged also duplicate with the Mazdspeed 3 Gen 2 which I currently owning.
@@sunrisesunset1734 that's highly debatable actually it will be the quarter mile and has a 171 mph too speed. If course if dusty wet or snow the GR will win.
The Corolla might be slightly better for track days. The Civic definitely a better all around car. Both are a last dance before the electric plague completely over runs the globe.
Because real life. Real life gets Honda fanboys down. Real life: People aren't even wasting money speccing a front wheel drive car with Cup 2's from the dealer. The Core Edition at $39k beats the Civic R in the 1/4 mile drag and in cornering lateral g's too. It's already been done. Using the Morizo edition just gives a peek at the lightest cheapest mods you can start with.
His laugh beginning @ 7:54 - 8:10 in the Morizo GR Corolla sealed the deal. It's the (most running fun) you can get today! I wish TOYOTA would also bring GR Corolla's little brother....The GR Yaris Stateside to continue the fight...
The Morizo Edition is a Core Edition with basic tweaks that a school girl could do. Light quick tune at a shop, easy, buy set of stickier tyres, easy, a school girl might have trouble lifting out that back seat after removing the 2 clips though. Long story short, the Morizo Edition is the same car as the Core Edition. You people who claim to know cars are fooling yourselves if you think otherwise.
What an awful comparison.... An awd vs fwd car, on a short slow track, in the wet...kind of surprised it was even that close. Also....did I see a freaking 7k difference in equipped price? For a 15% change in price no crap the Toyota better win. Get a better track, do it in the dry or at least equip them to roughly the same price....
You don't know much about these cars, the Core Edition Corolla which can easily have the same or more performance as the Morizo with the lightest and cheapest of mods, is 39k
Given the Morizo has more torque than the other GRs, the half second win is probably a quarter second, in lesser trims. You won't see many Morizos on the street.
I don't care about track performance. Who the hell does? If I'm going to be shifting gears, the Toyota wins hands down because it looks a hell of a lot better than the Civic.
I’d buy none because dealers will scam you on both. No point in buying affordable Japanese performance if they intend to sell it against M cars. Dealerships have made these cars a crime against the car community.
You will stay poor, because while the Corolla won't break, you will spend thousands on fixing a mechanically unsound Hyundai that you can't figure out how it got damaged in the first place. It's not only less expensive, it's cheaper.
Dumb comparison. Morizo may as well not exist. Compare a CTR against a Core or Circuit GRC both on street tires, not Cup 2s. This comparo is useless. You guys compared the Morizo on Cup2s vs a CTR on PS4S???? Absolute nonsense, meaningless.
People are going to buy Cup 2s for their Core Editions. No one is going to waste Cup 2s on a Civic Type R. Sorry. Real world thing. People aren't even going with the dealership option at Honda, LOL!
Lucky you guys getting the Civic for that price, here in the 🇬🇧 it's all but priced of the market at the equivalent to $56000 😨 We don't get the Corolla
The dealership mark up on these cars is the worst part about them. when I looked at the prices on a core gr corolla. it was $55,000!!!!! WTH. there is a better cheaper option. get a kit car an have one of those shops build you a real enthusiast car for half the price .
Herşey bir zevk meselesi ama Honda’nın 2.0lt ,+ 400 hp , 4wd & 4 ws bir Civic RR üretmeyi düşünmemesi affedilemez bir hata .Toyota ‘yı günahım kadar bile sevmem ama bu araç oldukça başarılı .Uyan artık Honda yoksa kapıya kilit vuracaksın !!!
honestly too much power and weight against such displacement cost and production cutting but corolla should of kept the pathway of 1.5L 4 cyc or the 1.8L longevity by time of ODO hits 50k she gonna break morizo loses everything seats deadening etc come on guys ain't worth it
Not bad for a fwd, but at the end of the day it's just that, a fwd. No one is even bothering to spec Cup 2's on their Civic Rs, so you won't see any. Meanwhile people will upgrade the tyres on their Core Editions for instant Morizo performance, simple and easy.
You need to understand that the Core Edition is easily way faster than the Morizo with the lightest of mods, or just as fast with simply a tyre change.
Yeah, I can't put my finger on it, and I don't want to be mean, but something about the style/way Edmund's videos are scripted, shot, and edited makes me feel like I'm back in 2005 watching an episode of Overhauling.
This comparison is so one-sided that it might as well be an ad from Toyota. Limited edition trim that no one will own with half an interior and a more powerful engine on cup 2s driving through some bicycle training course instead of a real track. Do better.
Nonsense, the Morizo is the same exact car with a light tune if you want to call a few foot pounds of torque a tune, and some stickier tyres. Morizo performance is obtainable for less than a Morizo actually costs. You are paying for exclusivity and a collectors item, that's all.
@@sunrisesunset1734 Correct, my points is that the comparable car; if you are in the market, would be the Circuit, as you need rear seats for a daily. The Morizo will be mainly used for track days etc.
If drag race times and lateral g's on the skid pad don't matter to you... if driving in snow and on gravel don't matter to you, then yes. If nothing matters to you, then yes, it's the Honda. Lol!
@@sunrisesunset1734 Correct! Literally all those things you mention don't matter to me! That being said, the Civic did win the lateral G test and 0-60 comp when Motortrend did the comparison...
@@kiwislop2077 We both know a tuned front wheel drive Civic R is never going to out-perform a tuned all wheel drive GR Corolla in any corner what so ever, let's not kid ourselves here, lol.
@@sunrisesunset1734 I'll defer to Motortrend: "Even on its standard Pilot Sport 4S rubber, the Civic turned in 1.03 g (average) on our skidpad and stopped from 60 mph in only 104 feet. Compare that to the Corolla, which pulled 0.96 g on the skidpad and needed 108 feet to stop from 60. The Civic also triumphed on our figure-eight course, running it in 24.5 seconds at 0.76 g (average) versus the Toyota's 24.9 seconds at 0.74 g."
Well the answer is, "None of these asian cars are overpriced, because while these cars won't break down, american and european garbage will end up costing you way more money."
"To save weight there are no rear seats", let me stop you there, I'll have the Honda. If i want fun that can carry only two people I'll buy a motorbike.
