My next car! Yes, the Legacy is very underrated but that’s ok. I see too many Camry’s and Accord’s and Altima’s on the road, and would rather something a little different but still reliable. I’m getting the Premium edition, but if I had the money I would get the Limited.
I always say "drive them all". The first time we sat in an Accord, we were surprised how clear the visibility, driving position, etc. But for this year---again, drive them ALL, don't do the thing where you later say "wish I knew about THIS car" before I bought THAT car".
I agree that the Legacy is a somewhat underrated car, but I have to admit that when it comes to appearance, the Camry still takes the lead. The Subaru's headlights seem overly busy; they should consider getting rid of those crab-claw lights. Moreover, the overall design lacks coherence - it feels like a patchwork of different elements, reminiscent of a quilt assembled by multiple grandmothers.
I bought a 2021 Legacy Touring XT (turbo). There are things I really like about it like the super comfortable seats and smooth, quiet ride on the highway, strong acceleration and the Harman Kardon sound system is very nice. There are definitely things that are disappointing . At less than 1,000 rattles started in the dash and I've had it in to the dealer three times and they can't seem to chase them down (but they do hear them). They've only gotten worse over time (11K miles now). There's also uneven acceleration at times with the turbo engine and the CVT where it doesn't seem to know what to do and has rough fake shifts. Lastly at the first oil change at 5,000 miles the tech discovered an oil leak in the lower oil pan and apparently this is a common problem with the new 2.4 turbo. Due to the parts shortage it was in the shop for over a week. All in all after a year and a half I regret buying it. Not what I was expecting from a top trim level midsize car and I really don't trust its long term reliability now.
Bought my wife a Legacy 3.6R in 2015. Some issues I encountered such as electrical issue that had to be fix 3 times ( now it happens again ), GPS stopped working after 1 month of owning , Oil pan leaked after only 45,000 miles. I own 2 Hondas for the past 20 years and both had been in the shop less times than this Subaru.
@@cancel.lgbtq.6892 Wow. My last new car was a 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer. Kept it 10 years before I got the Subaru. That cheap little car never had a single repair in a decade. Nothing but regular maintenance. After 10 years it had less squeaks and rattles than the Legacy had after 10 months. I don't think I'm just being overly picky after coming from a car of that class.
@@jeffmorse645 we owned a 2004 Lancer RalliArt manual that never once went to the dealer for unscheduled maintenence in the 82K miles we had it. Great little cars from that era.
@@hellkitty1014 To stay on the topic of Mitsubishi, I got a 2018 Mirage G4 manual in late 2017, almost 5 years ago to the day. I'm currently at 87k miles, I've done Lyft and DoorDash with it, and I drive 450 miles round trip every other weekend to see my kiddo. Other than the trunk release cable slipping out of the lever on the floor (which I then epoxied in place) and a few dash rattles I haven't tracked down yet cuz I'm lazy, it has been wonderfully reliable. Slow and bare bones? Absolutely. But a full synthetic oil change every 5000-7000 miles and she's never been in the shop for anything at all. Great little car.
I have a 2022 Touring XT and witness the same issues. Dash rattles, door rattles, the eye sight rattles and so does the moonroof. Also at 700 miles the oil level sensor was leaking oil and yes, parts was on a nationwide backorder, took a month to get the parts and 3 days to have it installed/fixed. While in there, they noticed the lower oil pan was wet and resealed that as well. Not only does the 11.6" screen has issues, its slow loading and a pain to get to certain features to turn on or off like climate control or auto brake hold. Driver Focus is about as annoying as the Auto Stop Start that each time it stops and tries to go, sounds like the whole engine is about to shake loose. MPG in the city is barely 17 but hwy close to 30. My steering wheel heat barely gets lukewarm to the touch. And lastly, the battery is terrible cause its under charge so its always hooked up to the trickle charger at least 1x a week. I need my 1 year to hit so I can ask for a trade up. Tired of this $40k top trim with tons of issues. NOT bashing Subaru, we still own 4 total in our household. Mine, is the newest with the most issues.
Got a 23 Legacy sport white two weeks ago, and now it's only 300ish miles. It feels better than Camry XSE AWD, besides the exterior looking. And she got more head clearance than CX50. Powerwise, you guys know CVT takes some time to react, but good for daily driving. I tested the Camry but every dealerhas a 2.5k Markup. Accord has no AWD, and the Altima is pretty good but more outdated looking I think.
I have sat any many subarus as my dad works there and in general the cabin just feels very high end. Leather everywhere. And considering this is basically an outback in sedan form you wouldn’t be unfamiliar with this. The screen is pretty decent. Sometimes it can be laggy at times specifically the navigation system. The gauges i wish were a little different. Maybe a 7 or 8 inch display and if u wanted to be a little more bougie a fully digital one. Ive seen the sport it looks decent nothing crazy. It adds a little flare some exterior add-ons.
Midsize sedan prices have not got crazy (yet) like compact suvs. 10 years ago a Honda CRV was cheaper than a accord. For a family car, getting one of these for under $30,000 is a great deal in 2022
For real. They are one of the few vehicles discounted in my area compare to other brands. They’re not bad cars, but before this tomfoolery I wouldn’t have considered one.
I have always “sort of” liked Subaru. But, does their research tell them their target market is old and dowdy and doesn’t like attractive vehicles. This car may be a nod to the populations that do not like wagons or hatchbacks but it looks like the Nissan Altima from two generations ago. All of their vehicles ( maybe not the STI) fall short on the design front and a good part of the purchasing decision is certainly aesthetics.
I live in the Colorado Rockies and Colorado buys about half of Subaru USAs production every year. We have the Passenger Vehicle Traction Law in Colorado. If it snows and you want to drive on the Interstate you have to either put on chains OR have AWD/4WD and at least Mud & Snow tires. If you get stuck on the side of the road when "chain laws" are in effect and don't have these, it is a $600+ fine. If you get stuck ON the road it is a $1000+ fine. In Colorado we DON'T CARE what it looks like going down the road as long as it keeps us on the road and going down that same road. This is why in Colorado 10 year Subarus with over 100,000 miles on them still sell for over $10,000. Have a Subaru you don't want or like? Bring it to Colorado for a much higher trade-in/sale price.
@@brokeboy87 Yeah but you have to pay for it and only certain Kia models have AWD as standard. With Subaru, even on base models, every single car will have AWD. That is almost unheard of
You’re making zero sense , stupidity really , if the base price is the same as others with AWD options then what’s your point .. ( but yes I’m sure there’s a rate hyper basic one that cheaper an doesn’t Aline with “ others AWD “ good luck finding that one .,
@@reserva120 My point was that Kia does not sell base-price cars with AWD. With Kia, it's something you have to pay extra for. That's where the value comes in. While a Subaru might be pricier, they don't charge for AWD, it's standard. Even on the cheapest Subaru model with the cheapest Subaru trim, it will have AWD. With Kia, their cheapest models and cheapest trims do not have that
@@reserva120 Also, before calling something I said stupid, make sure to write sentences that make sense. "Rate hyper basic one that cheaper an doesn't aline with others AWD" doesn't make much sense.
I traded in my 2017 Legacy Premium and picked up my 2023 Subaru Legacy Sport on 12/31/2022. The most interesting observation is that the Legacy Sport is a GAS HOG! I have dropped from a solid 32 mpg to 23+ mpg as my daily driver. Ouch! I have repeatedly assured that after about 10,000 miles I should be up at about 31 mpg. Time will tell. I also made another horrifying discovery today. I finally had the opportunity to try out the S mode. What a shock! I am cruising down HWY 24 on my 30 minute drive to the grocery store on cruise control. The road, while twisty turny due to following the Arkansas river, is pretty much level. I was cruising at 50 mph and was turning about 1100 rpm. I clicked the S# button. The engine slowly and smoothly went up to 2200 rpm. I am still on cruise control. I am still running at 50 mph. It does not take a mechanical engineering genius to figure out that if 4 cylinders are firing 1100 more times per minute, you are using more fuel. Hmmmm. I did it a couple of more times to verify the result. The sports suspension is very nice on the mountain roads. The turbocharger, once it spins up, definitely pushes you down the road with significantly more vigor and does not seem to be straining itself like the 2.5 did.
@@codybrackett812 My MPG had increased over time. Unfortunately, with just over 5000 miles on the car and less than 4 full months of time, I got rear-ended turning into my driveway and my car was totaled.
Can't stand my 2022 Legacy Touring XT. The 2.4L DiT was leaking oil at 700 miles. The infotainment sucks and no matter what firmware update Subaru releases, it gets worst and worst. It freezes, glitches and stops working. The Driver Focus is as annoying as the Auto Stop Start feature. My city MPG barely hitting 17MPG. Heated steering wheel barely gets lukewarm at the 3/9 o'clock . Stock 620CCA battery is weak and always on the trickle charger. Not hating Subaru, we still own and drive 4 total in our household. Mine is the newest with the most issues.
The cloth seats are decent but at times can feel a little rough. Yes they did do a little something to enhance the design but i do agree i do wish they did more because it is pretty bland dont get me wrong. Like a box kinda. But yk some people dont wanna be the center of attention. Blending in is fine for most. Its fine for the segment
As an fourth gen 2009 subaru legacy GT Limited owner, the front looks nice but the rear is a shame. The fourth gen still looks better overall to me. Nice review. Regards!
I’ve had many Outback’s and have a 2017 Touring currently but hate the turn signal sound inside the car. I wish the volume could be lowered, or maybe we can get tones like we have for texts or ringers.
@@Hallowsaw can’t get one for that price now people who are arguing for the side of Subaru aren’t comparing them in this pandemic market this car isn’t cheap no more
@@pauleveritt3388I assume it has something to do with the fact that every Subaru comes with AWD and at a reasonable price still lots of mainstream sedans without it and even some subcompact suvs still just have fwd
It’s an easy pass for me. 2019 is the cutoff for me since I can replace the old touchscreen with a non touchscreen and bypass the backup camera. It’s down to a 2019 forester, or outback.
On 12/30/2022 I drove from Leadville, Colorado to Ogden, Utah in my 2017 Legacy Premium to trade it in for a 2023 Legacy Sport. This trip is over 600 miles one way. I left at 3:00 pm and it was a 12 hour drive. Leaving Colorado and crossing into Utah the road was snowy and not a snow plow in sight. It was late in the evening and the speed limit in Utah is 80 mph. Due to the road conditions, I was able to maintain about 40 mph. I was also driving down the middle of I-70. I was usually leading the pack and the conditions were such that I usually left the pack the behind. I have GREAT confidence in the AWD system and had no problem or trepidation about driving on a snowy Interstate Hwy after midnight in very remote areas in the snow. I arrived, without incident, in Ogden, Utah about 3:30 am on 12/31/2022. When I returned to Colorado the next day 1/1/2023, I encountered heavy snow on the road at 6:30 am. It is New Year's Day morning and no snow plows had started working yet. There was much more traffic than I expected too. However, my 2023 Legacy, with brand new tires, handled these conditions just as well as my 2017 Legacy. The confidence and the necessary technology makes driving unplowed roads a reasonable action instead of a fool heartly decision.
Subaru is likely going to discontinue this vehicle in the near future. Subaru simply doesn’t have the resources to keep a vehicle that doesn’t make money. I suspect the Legacy will be first and the Impreza wagon/hatch will be next. The Impreza RS was a last ditch attempt by Subaru to try to push some units that cost them very little investment. I don’t see it working. Hatch’s that resemble wagons are a death sentence for manufacturers these days.
Like everything else except the Logo, brand name and cars actual name Suburu and Legacy, kind of feels weird while mentioning the cars name. Otherwise, this things a stunner Also the infotainments UI could do with better styling and polish.
Basically Subarus today are just good at being normal cars, with a bit of off reading prowess sprinkled in between. I’ve driving a 2016 model for the past year and a half and it has served me well.
Im just curious. Does this have a new horn. Because i sat in the outback, that had a new horn. Sounds like a highlander in fact, the new ascent has a new one too. Yes ik most people dont care for the horn but it matters sometimes for people with “road rage” 😅.
Definitely a boring looking vehicle. Maybe plain Jane is a better terminology. But maybe someone else will see something different. All that aside, fantastic vehicle review!
I don't think Subaru is at accord or Camry levels of quality but if you get one discounted (good luck with that in today's auto world) you have a great car. I don't think the front end tweak changes anything in fact the outback looks hideous do to Subarus obsession with black plastic. I think the styling will age well compared to the comical looking Camry and Hyundai. One other point the seating position is high so it's better for older folks vs the Accord sit on floor feel.
Drive down a slick snowy hill at night and you will IMMEDIATELY understand why you want paddle shifters. That is NOT the moment to take a hand off the steering wheel to be downshifting with the gearshift lever. This is a daily experience for me coming home from work after dark and I am coming down the hill in "2nd gear".
Not any more. My 2017 Legacy Premium: CD player, real key, moonroof free. My 2023 Legacy Sport: Red trim for stupid people, no CD player, a hated moonroof that I will NEVER open, and a key fob. However, at nearly 10,000 feet of elevation, I really needed a turbocharger.
The whole car looks dated..Can it get out of 2015 already? Subaru always been a forgotten option and I can see why! I couldn't even watch the whole video. I was falling asleep!! 😴
Subaru is a specialty car compare with Accord and Camry. They are not as reliable as Accord or Camry. Compare with Accord and Camry, Legacy can only sell one for every ten Accord or Camry sells. They should bring back Legacy wagon also.
@@truckercowboyed2638 I tried to buy a new Legacy wagon in 1996 from a Subaru dealer. The sales person would not negotiate price. I ended up with a new 1996 Accord wagon. Both Subaru and Honda dealers are owned by one owner. I did not have to deal with head gasket on the Subaru.
Interior not as nice on the Civic and from I have found cannot find a new Civic even at MSRP. If only Honda added AWD to their vehicles. Even the Prius and Corolla can be had now with a more robust AWD system for city driving. Honda reserving AWD for overpriced Acura cars has always been a head scratcher.
There’s no Mazda 6, Altima has horrible resale and are only those with poor credit. New Accord just went up market , and the Camry has it’s established customer base. The Legacy has great resale, great AWD, and a very good dealership network. It’s a good option for someone that lives in the snowbelt
Yeah this doesn't feel very competitive for the class. The new Outback is better if you want AWD with a nicer interior and more practical. For a sedan, most don't need AWD, and even if you do, the K5 is a much better car. Overall, very underwhelming car. Cloth seats look cheap and it looks like a typical cheap Subaru with a shitty engine. No idea why it would be considered over any of its rivals. Probably the worst car in its class.
My main complaint with Subaru's regular lineup is no manual transmission option. Unless you buy the WRX or BRZ you're stuck with one of the worst type of transmissions...the CVT. And you're right that this car has underwhelming power. The only reason to buy this is AWD is standard..but really it's as you say why not just get the Outback? Honestly the WRX lower trims are in this price range as well!
I need a turbocharged car and AWD because I live in the Colorado Rockies. I looked at the other manufacturer's AWD options with similar equipment and to buy something OTHER than a Subaru added a $10,000 surcharge for AWD. I traded in my 2017 Legacy Premium with 90,000 miles for $10,000. I paid just over $14,000 for it three years ago with 63,000+ miles on it. At least in Colorado, they hold their value like no other.
