Honda's in-house 10-speed automatic was beefed up for the MDX Type S/TLX Type S and shifts 40% quicker. Would love to see this transmission in the Integra Type S.
@@TheBreakfastLover hopefully Acura gets their heads out of their own a**e* and give us the ADX Type S with the 10at and an AWD system (probably won’t be SHAWD, but at least the AWD system from the hrv)
The only thing that could *possibly* alter the outcome would be a superior tire choice for the Durango over the MDX. But, at that point, it's not apples/apples I suppose. Plus, I'm sure the powerband for that turbo is set fairly high, probably mid to upper RPM band (which explains why off the line they're nearly comparable, but as soon as 2nd gear shifts the turbo really starts to produce power).
@@layne4376 correct. People seemed to believe that the MDX would be the slowest in its class like the TLX is, but apparently what isn’t understood is that the MDX is lighter than its competitors and the TLX is heavier than its competitors.
Been Honda fan since 89 had an Accord LXI flip light. I've owned 15 so far including Acura. Currently own 03CRVEX and best Accord made 93SE H22a swapped. 😊
@@KubanKevinironically, the previous gen TLX had the ZF9 transmission and it was terrible. The Honda in-house 10AT has been rock solid for the past 6 years.
@@KubanKevin I have owned 6 different Honda's over 25 years. Zero Automatic transmission issues. Actually Zero issues over that time. I have owned 5 other manufacture vehicles and everyone of them have had issues, one (Chevy) had transmission issues. My real world experience does not back up your claims. I put my money on Honda or Toyota any day of the week. I cannot say the same for Mopar, GM, or Ford.
As the owner of an MDX Type S Advance, I'm surprised by the result. I did not expect it to beat the Durango. But the type S an incredibly fun car to drive, as it does everything so well, and it has plenty of luxury features as well. And in reality, both of these vehicles are plenty fast, but Im gald we have the MDX.
@@taurussho86 a number of races are out there but not exactly in the same format that Sam does. tfl videos are also pointless to me as they are at high elevation rather than sea level where everyone I know races.
@@S8ER /\ THIS /\ The Fast Lane races are absolutely useless due to the ridiculous elevation. That said, I would be very curious to know what the DA is for each of Sam's races.
@@EJD2014 you definitely don’t drive a Durango nor a hellcat Durango Playin Roblox tells me all I need to know 😂 These cars cost a lot and in order to get them without cash you need credit established so you should actually step you game up and get some cash or credit built up 👌🏼
I think if Dodge found a way to step there game up with the amount of weight they use on there muscle cars they could be top of the line and have the fastest muscle cars.
The weight is killing the Rango! But I absolutely love my 2021 Durango RT, Tow N Go - this package gives the RT every single SRT part except the engine. But I'm going to slap a supercharger on her this summer and some other bolt-ons and it'll be an awesome quick 3-row SUV daily driver.
@@SamCarLegion The difference between them is the power/torque of the engine it's mated with)). Durango 5.7 HEMI has the 8HP70 model which you will find in cars like Durango/Grand Cherokee 6.4 HEMI, Rolls Royce Phantom 7 and 8, BMW 7 series F01/F02, lots of BMWs or Alpinas F30/F31/F32/F33 and even G20/G21, Aston Martin Vanquish 2nd Gen, Range Rovers etc. This is nowhere near "a lower end ZF".
@@Eugen-E i get that but they are not tuned the same way even though they may be the same. You can actually hear the shifts in the acura. The 10speed has the quicker shift. It won’t change the outcome by a lot if the Durango had faster tran set up but it could be closer.
Great video Sam! Since the mdx type s is booming lately in here would have loved to see just for the reference how it would stand against the accord 2.0T 😁 because why not its all about having fun
As you said Sam, the advantage the MDX has is its transmission. Very smooth and quick with 10 gears. 2 SUVs that would be good to drag race against the Durango R/T are the Chevy Tahoe Z71 5.3 and Ford Expedition XLT. All 3 fall in the same SUV category and have similar horsepower.
I enjoyed watching your video with the dodge Durango and the acura MDX can you do a race between the acura RDX AWD A-spec and the lexus NX350 AWD please respond stay safe.
Dodge uses the ZF but I think he gave it up for the MDX because the ZF on the R/T isn’t the top offering? The ZF is amazing imho so the MDX must have a really good transmission to each such praise
The weight is the big difference here, the Durango weights the same as my fairly loaded F150, everything else it competes with is 500lbs or more lighter.
No surprise since Honda competes in F1. Who is Dodge..err I mean Stellantis? A multinational conglomerate that is going to pick the pockets of American fans until Dodge is buried alongside Pontiac, Oldsmobile, AMC, Plymouth, Mercury and eventually Buick. All bark, no bite.
In looking at American brands, seems like Dodge has fallen behind the times in technology. You cannot keep making cars without giving it thought, functionality and ergonomics. Acura MDX has been an Acura staple since 2001, when the MDX model showed up at the dealerships. Since it has been in a constant evolution, while now its in the 4th generation, Acura will continue to evolve their best family do it all SUV. I owna 2011 MDX with SH-AWD and the MDX truly makes the best out of torque vectoring technology. Something that was offered way back on the 2nd generation, not many understand the importance of it or the application of it. My MDX with 3.7 v6 engine has a 300hp in the base configuration, while the engine lacks efficiency, there is plenty of torque available at low revs. I believe my MDX with only 115k miles will definitely last 200k with very basic maintenance. Acura reliability is definitely worthy attribute. Not sure how reliable Durango can be past 100k miles.
Good race video between the Acura MDX Type S and the Dodge Durango RT. The MDX had the advantage due to quicker shifting for the transmission. It's also a little lighter in weight, but primarily the quicker shifts was the main one. Also, as for the MDX, was it in regular drive mode or Sport mode for the races? If it was in Sport Mode, then that would be another reason it had the advantage.
Yeah also the durango was at a disadvantage since 1 they break torque it which normally on N/A vheicles makes them launch slower and it looks like they are running on regular gas which makes it a hell of alot slower as I do drive a early wk2 durango with the 5.7 hemi as on regular gas it did a 0 to 60 in 6.8 7 seconds range while the midgrade made it much faster by 0.6 seconds and I could easily tell by driving around, as also I don't if the durango was in sport mode either.
Power to weight ratio. But, the tow and go RT durango would be a match with a fully loaded mdx type s in my opinion. And would be much interesting race for sure. 😎👍
@@S8ER I read on the forums it has the srt transfer case , SRT exhaust, srt tires as well. I'm sure on the dyno it likely puts out slightly more than the regular rt
@@TrentonThomas627 yeah it may have the transfer case (I did just see comments about that), transmission looks to be the same as the R/T and it keeps the R/T gearing.
how about use the paddle shifters from a roll in sport mode, how you drive makes a difference. Have to use the torque advantage to get a jump in the hemi.
None of us should be surprised. The Durango weight is way higher. Also I understand why they paired these 2 cars up as far as horsepower goes. But if you are a buyer and have the Acura $, you would be shopping for the SRT 392. Price point is more equal at that trim level. And let's be honest ... If you did that video. I don't care about the transmission difference. The Acura has no shot. So again I understand why this video is made lol
they didn't rule anything. They beat a car that's a decade old and 650LBS heavier that tows 9000LBS. What are you saying, if the MDX didn't win this joke of a race it'd be a scientific mystery
@@blooddrunk1432the Durango is reliable tho, and it’s significantly cheaper. That Acura is an overpriced Pilot with a turbo. Its fuel mileage is laughable.
It's not as much the transmission difference, but the fact that the Accura weighs a whole lot less. The hemi's torque advantage fills the wider ratios without problem and launches the Durango harder. The power to weight ratio difference really comes into effect at higher speeds. The Accura may also be more aerodynamic, but I'm not sure.
Surprised how? They beat a car that's a decade old and 650LBS heavier that tows 9000LBS. What are you saying, if the MDX didn't win this joke of a race it'd be a scientific mystery. You don't know much of anything about the durango it seems. This isn't the 6.4 392 durango that's CLOSER in price to the mdx type s, that car would demolish it. This is the 5/7 truck motor
Guys, I just started watching many of your videos and after watching this one I think you need to put the 2.0 turbo accord against the MDX and watch the Accord take the win again.
Its the weight that plays the bigger role, then its the transmission and then aspiration. Nothing to be humilated by. The durango did fairly well considering the mdx has more advantages. Try running 89 octane in the durango next time. Hemi’s love 89 octane
Try a tow and go edition Durango rt has a srt drivetrain track mode adaptive damping suspension exhausted tuned ecu for 145 mph and a limited slip rear and brembo brakes and srt wheels
This definitely was a good race. I thought for sure with the Durango having more torque and horsepower, that the Acura would come in second. Japan did a great job on that transmission and engine. Note...if you get the Aspec MDX Model, your engine and transmission will be built at the ohio factory in the US vs from Japan.
Surprised how? They beat a car that's a litera; DECADE old and 650LBS heavier that tows 9000LBS. What are you saying, if the MDX didn't win this joke of a race it'd be a scientific mystery. You don't know much of anything about the durango it seems. This isn't the 6.4 392 durango that's CLOSER in price to the mdx type s, that car would demolish it. This is the 5/7 truck motor- 5 HP is nothing and is margin of error lol, turbo engines are known to underrated their HP figures, n/a engines are not
U see see that bro 😂. Acura all day. that V8 with the extra hp didn't matter. Acura do need to put some more hp in it. The tech with super handling sh-awd system already nice.
@@roboticvenom1935 Everything is advantage to MDX S in this race: Transmission, P/W, delivery of power. I think the only way the Durango would win is if it was on slicks and the MDX S was on snow tires on this tarmac (temperature greater than 50 Fahrenheit). I'm kind of surprised so many people are kind of surprised the Durango lost.
@@treyvon4444 They could go bigger with a hot-v turbo set-up, but you're starting to think more about oil cooling there, as well as potentially worse reliability for the bearings/gaskets given the enormous amount of heat generated in that area with a hot-v. servicing would also be ultra super-sh*tty.
@@ryanshannon6963 They fine just how they are. Ill rather have less hp then more problems with the engine. I had 7 Acuras and never had any problems with the engines and I pushed them hard.
I love my MDX, I almost bought a Durango, the Durangos look great but I really don’t trust American cars anymore, my 2015 Silverado has had nothing but problems, it has been well maintained and it’s just one thing after another, it’s broke down right now, I have a 2000 Silverado that still runs great with 240k on it, of course I had to put some work into it, my Expedition had catastrophic failure at 200k.
The Durango keep its tow specks so it can still do it work but stay fast enough to get in to traffic and interstates with a huge trailer with sacrificing its capabilities as a power factory
@@dbobeatz6175 The ZF8 is a great transmission. But I know not all ZF8's are "Created Equal". Depends how the transmission was tuned from the factory and probably very sleepy in the Durango's case. I've had a SQ5, X3 M40i and now a X3M and all 3 have/had the ZF8. The ZF8 in the BMW's feel night and day from the Audi. Most likely the way BMW tuned them from the factory.
The 10-speed in the new Acura models are super quick around 50/60 mph (I’m in the u.s) the car holds all the power around corners, Hondas/acuras are better on rolls vs a drag no doubt about it.
Idc honestly which is “faster” or “better” I was still sold on the TYPE S very nice vehicles and the ride nice with style even the A spec is wonderful too Acura’s current line up is pretty solid.
If you mean, it’s the transmission because of gear ratios that may be the case, but it could also be the weight, aerodynamics. It’s probably not one thing.
5.7 hemi hasn't impressed me in anything. I was unimpressed in the durango, was unimpressed in the 1500, and surprisingly unimpressed in the grand cherokee. The 5.7 feels overrated by approx 50 horsepower. The 6.1 and 6.4 hemis are a whole different story.
A 460 pound weight difference along with the Acura being turbo charged and the Durango being N/A, not to mention they are not even in the same class… yeah I expect these results. Not sure what all the hate is about against the dodge.
Great match up Not too bad considering that body on frame old Durango is a true old school 500 lb heavier suv and the Acura is more of a crossover with a better tuned transmission For the money you got to take that MDX though
Anyone else realize that about half of Sam's comments are just heavy sighs directly into the microphone? My wife asked what I was watching a drag race or an 'adult activity' of some type.
Please race MDX Type S vs Lexus RX500h, which CarNDriver said smokes the Type S but I dont believe it. I think they raced it in comfort mode or some BS.
@@SamCarLegion The maximum torque of an engine matters just when starting from a dig in the first gear (max torque is at low/mid rpm which you don't use after the first gear) after that the power is what matters because it's the same torque but at higher rpm. That's why tuned diesels are good off the line but at higher speeds they are not.
@@billblonco MDX was actually faster than the X5 from roll ))) X5 was faster from dig just because it has launch control which no one uses in real life on street.
