@@bigmurph1447disagree on the gearing. 373 is good for cruising down the highway with or without a load. I’m not worried about getting off the line faster or increasing tow numbers. At a certain point, diesel becomes the viable option if that’s the concern. For what it is, the l8t is perfect.
happy for you! just get the extended warranty on the truck cuz of the def and regeneration issues! its hit or miss with these! some will be fine up to 80 thousand and some start trippin around 20 thousand or earlier,
1500 miles on my '24 gas. So far, Loving it! Cruises so nice, a joy to tow with when i need it. I rarely tow more than 10000 so it does great. 10-13mpg towing, 17ish empty, similar to my old cummins. Still got my old diesel for when i need to tow heavy
ausome video! I just purchased the gas with the Allison transmission ! and I love it, I also own a 2018 3500duramax diesel work horse, only good when its good! l , and I will never buy another one in my life! def and cp3 issues ! 60 thousand dollars and truck is sitting ! 7000 in parts and probably same in labor ! with all the issues in the egr and region problems I'm done
I have this same truck, traded my 22 gasser for a 24 diesel. Way better!! And yes, I do a lot of towing. Also to add, the dealer gave me 8 year 100k bumper to bumper warranty. Can’t beat that
I can't speak on the Duramax, never owned one. But, I have owned Dodge/Ram diesels since 1999. I was trading my Chevy Tahoe or Escalade that I use as business truck every few years, never getting close to 100k miles, my previous Dodge trucks had 200-300k miles on them when I traded and still had a good resale value. The extra cost in a diesel isn't worth it for people that are going to trade every 2-3 years with less than 50-60k miles and don't do a lot of towing. Don't know about the duramax but with the Ram diesels, longevity and resale value with higher mileage makes a difference compared to a gasser. I have been thinking about trading my current Tahoe for a High Country 2500 or Denali 2500 with duramax, but hesitant.
Guys spending $100k on a truck and $50k on up for trailers and are nit picking on diesel cost 😂 Give me a break. Yes the gas is good, but the diesel is a beast. I went Denali 3500 diesel, easier fueling and monster torque, works for me.
Not only does the routine oil, lube and filter cost more , just wait until you have to replace those two batteries . Which MUST be changed at the same time . Throw in the extra you pay at the pump for diesel fuel plus DEF , and the price of the diesel option . And people wonder why I won't own another diesel .
@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 Well I will add also the ungodly amount of codes that get generated on these diesels. My 2020 2500hd diesel is a complete lemon. Oh, look another code - $195 for them to tell you, yea, we don't know what's wrong with it so we cleared the code, head on out... Thanks for the $195. I just need a bit more patience for my 7.3L F350 comes in and I can get rid of this chevy diesel junk. Unless you are in an area where you can delete it or plan on not going out of state to the West coast and have time and enjoy breakdowns (This crap has broken down in 7 states so far), go with the gas.
@@kmonto1971 luckily I have my own OBD 2 scanner , and could read and delete the codes myself . Then it decided to grow a hissy fit and went into limp mode .The truck went into the shop and I went shopping for a gasser . Bye , bye diesel .
@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 I got tired of pulling out the obd 2 scanner to clear the codes ended buying the banks setup. I can then just do it when I come to a stop or pull over without having to hook anything up. I am counting down the time till my new gasser comes in. No more diesel, emissions, or chevrolet.
If GM updates this gas engine, it might be worth it, but at 5800 feet above sea level, I'll run the diesel for my camper and dump trailer. I seem to use that trailer a ton these days.
@@Icutmetallol nooo i’m actually trying to get away from gas… but i have a 2018 sierra 1500 and i do a LOT of towing and this just doesn’t cut it anymore… diesel is cheap here in Louisiana
Unless a person is towing 10k or more 3-4 times weekly the difference in upfront cost and the headaches of the EPA regulated equipment doesn’t make owning a diesel worth it. Obviously the diesel has more power. But that’s the only real advantage.
@@predator-1 I agree. I’ve done the math a few times and have tracked every expense of my Duramax since new and for me, the average cost of use will be a wash if the gasser can land somewhere in the 13-15mpg range.
I have a 2024 Chevy Custom 2500 Diesel. I love the truck. I noticed that after 5000 miles it got more powerful and much better fuel economy. Do they have it tuned that way from the factory? So a comparison with trucks that are beyond that mileage may yield different results.
I have the '24 2500 LT Z71 crew cab gasser. I wasn't trying to evade the diesel upcharge, necessarily. It came down to payload (mine is 3,550 lbs., which is around 700-800 lbs. higher than the comparable diesel), as well as avoiding the awful emissions crap plaguing today's diesels. My gooseneck towing capacity is 18,200 lbs., a figure of which I will probably never get close. I don't want the headaches associated with those diesels and am very happy with my decision. I currently tow a 10k GVWR fifth wheel and hardly know it's back there. I am likely to buy a 12k GVWR unit soon and have zero concerns about the setup. JB has a point about elevation, but if you don't spend most of your time in the clouds, this truck is a great HD option.
This has been my dilemma. Can’t decide if I want gas or diesel. I have a gas truck already and it’s paid for. Just not as strong when I’m towing . I’ll keep it but want to add a newer one.
Decision Decisions regen happen very frequently and it cost for sure I think what u said makes since unless heavy usage it doesn’t make much since have a diesel. The other thing u mentioned about is keeping on hwy I have 3.0 diesel it like the hwy better plus regen issue with fuel economy isn’t as pronounced as town driving
Diesels don’t start breaking in until around 12,000 miles. In other words, you won’t see good mileage until then. All my diesels would get 15 MPG until 12k, in which then I would get 19 MPG
Plenty of good reasons to get the gas truck depending on your use. Oil changes for the diesel will cost you more due to more quarts, more expensive filter. Overall maintenance costs and higher diesel fuel prices can eat your 'savings' right up. There's also plenty of good reasons to get the diesel if you tow a lot.
The interesting part about the duramax vs the 6.6 gas is that it holds 8 quarts and also the 6.2 and 5.3 gas versions hold 8 quarts and the duramax 10 quarts. If I look up the synthetic oil for the gas vs the diesel ( Mobil in this scenario ) the price is the same per quart. The engine oil filter ... its the SAME filter now for all four of these engines which is very surprising but that is what they are currently doing. As to how often either engine type is going to be changed, there are a lot of variables there as well depending on personal preference ( I have not looked up what GM states for normal vs severe use for either ). One stark difference between the GM gas vs the diesel is the fact that the gas engine trucks have no fuel filter ( which is total bs in my mind ) and the diesels fuel filter is quite expensive or certainly is up here in Canada for the piddly filter they are. That alone changes the maintenance cost ( have not looked up the price of the air cleaner filter, one vs the other ). There seems to also be a theme through the years and that is shops tending to upcharge simply because its a diesel coming into the door to get the oil changed, not sure if that still holds water but used to. But the long and short is, if power for towing heavy and a fair bit of towing is planned, there is no question the diesel has the ability the gas can not match. Cold weather and shorter runs and not requiring the power, that is the killer of the horrid diesel emissions system.
@@charlesb4267 For the gas V8 you can pickup all sorts of cheap oil like Kirkland Signature 5w30, Supertech Synthetic 5W30, any number of rebate and sale offers. For the DIY oil changer shopping deals 5W30 synthetic is very cheap. If you buy the 3.0 Duramax 1500 or 6.6 Duramax HD engines you can count on more expensive oil that is less frequently on sale.
If these engines were equivalent I could understand the comparison. But the diesel has almost 1k lbs of torque, twice as much as the gas. This extra torque makes a big difference off the line, towing, and especially passing other vehicles. I have 37s and a 4inch lift on my 3500 and it feels like a race car with all the diesel torque. The majority of HD trucks sold are diesel and it’s not to save gas money. It’s for the torque needed to handle the weight of a 4 ton vehicle.
I drove the gas and the diesel. At 50mph passing the diesel is effortless. The gas did it, but struggled compared to the diesel. This is what you would expect with twice the torque.
Harrop is working on the supercharger for this gas engine, which should put it much closer on the playing field of the diesel. I added one to my 5.7 L tundra, which gave it 40% more HP and torque giving it significantly more power and torque than this 6.6 L I can only imagine what it would do to this engine.
I bought 2023 F350 new with the 7.3L gas and 4.30 gears. I wish I would have spent another $10k and got the HO diesel. It tows 19k pounds just fine,no complaints. However, driving just the truck, I wish it had faster acceleration and better mpg. I have 11k miles on it with lifetime mpg including towing at about 9.4 mpg. It's ass. I will say this, my freeway mpg went up from about 12-13 cruising at 75mph, and after about 9000 miles it went up to about 14ish mpg at 75mph. Once warranty is up, I may put a Whipple supercharger on it. But now that's like $15-20k lol
Factor in cost of maintaining a diesel vs gas as well, including fuel filters etc plus any mechanical work. Unless your heavy towing all the time diesel isn’t worth it anymore
Yeah need to factor in diesel maintenance. Fuel filters/oil changes. I have a 6.6 gas and DIY oil change runs me $65. My Cummins oil change:filters was $250
A DIY filter and oil for a Cummins 6.7L is nowhere near $250. With a bulk commercial price for oil, I don't even pay 1/3 that for DIY-ing oil changes. If you don't have bulk pricing, a 3 gallon pack of Rotella T6 is only about $70 at Walmart. Filters are more or less the same price with gas vs diesel. So, I have no idea where you're getting $250 from. Also, diesels have fuel filters and DEF, but then you don't have other services or issues to contend with, like tune ups. Brakes also last longer, much, much longer on HD diesels, particularly the Cummins. When I owned my gas Chevy 2500, I was burning up front pads every 18k-20k miles towing. With my Cummins 6.7L and its exhaust brake, front brakes will go 50k-60k miles easy. Over the life, that's thousands saved just in brakes. In the first 65k miles, the combined fuel and maintenance savings was over $8,000, which basically was the payback on the initially diesel investment.
@@imprtkllrz28 I drive a 4th gen, which cost the same to service. I also I didn't say anything about 15w40, and 10w30 and 5w40 are more or less the same price. I also use OEM filters or better. Seriously, where getting any of this?
Maybe its in the works but i am surprised that GM didn’t put a twin turbo or super charger that maintains sea level pressure at all times for the gasser. I’m not saying GM needs to over boost it. Just simply maintain N/A Engine capabilities and optimal pressure. There may be more hardware and fluids but still weighing less than diesel.
You used regular fuel for the comparison. In the past, you recommended using premium fuel for these large gas engines with high compression ratios in heavy-duty trucks. When you use premium fuel for the comparisons it's a lot closer of a result.
Listen I think is simpler than just efficient; it comes down to feeling and sound bonding with your truck; if they made it sound like a 18 wheeler then people would be lining up 💯💪🏾💪🏾💯….what say y’all🧐🤔
There’s no financial benefit at all at running a diesel today. In a lot of cases they will cost more to operate. The only time they wouldn’t would be if you were just strictly towing with the truck. And even then the mpg difference is not much so depending on fuel cost they still might cost you more. And that’s not counting the diesel option cost. But I always say people should buy what they want. You got fanboys on both sides but diesel fanboys are the absolute worst. And a true diesel fanboy would never be satisfied with a gas HD. Some diesel guys think you need a 3500 dually to tow a single axle lawnmower trailer lol. The empty performance difference is just not that much. Look at your draggy results. If that would have been a side by side race at the 1/8th mile the diesel would have had about truck length advantage, if that. That’s not much. That’s negligible at best. Sure, towing there would be a difference. But as you said, your L8T even at your elevation held 50 mph towing your old 5th wheel. But again I say get what you want. I’m not considering a diesel again until the emissions are made more reliable. I’ll get to see how they are for the next couple years atleast with my buddy’s new 2024 Duramax. And based off his truck you are 100% correct that the fuel mileage has got worse. He’s getting the same mpg as my other buddy’s 2024 L8T and my 2022 L8T.
Diesel is more expensive, uses more expensive fuel, and you regen, and DEF, and DPF, and, and, and, ... If you are needing it you need it. If you have a choice, think carefully.
I drive a silverado 1500 with the 3.0 duramax 4x4 here in california diesel is .10 more than 87 octane gas but since l bought the truck it has averaged 24 miles per gallon and on the hwy ive seen over 32 miles a gallon on a tank. That is better than my two wheel drive tacoma couldn’ come close in savings
Will never buy another gas after owning a diesel. After purchase price I don't notice any difference in maintenance costs unless you count 20 bucks for a fuel filter once a year and 2 extra quarts of oil for oil change. I do my own service. The towing pleasure is priceless
Man I wish I was lucky as you. This 2020 2500hd diesel I have is a lemon. Glad it's working out for you but breaking down in 7 states just blows... Chevy is useless on their warranties...
Plus DEF, plus the extra cost of fuel. Plus any down time due to emissions issues. Plus the extra interest and insurance and registration costs. There I fixed your statement
I'll take the gas job If I buy one I'm keeping it well passed warranty don't want nothing to do with expensive diesel repairs in the future or the high cost of maintenance
@kmonto1971 like insaid delete is the only way to fix that but the heads upstairs thought ahead and told us it's a federal crime to removal emissions despite this I see trucks without them all the time going about their day and I live in a blue state
DPF is a joke ! Using 2 to 4 gals a day of fuel to keep it clean and all the extra DEF - DEF tank EGR coolers and related sensors and not to forget an exhaust restriction !
There was so much road noise with that diesel, I could barely hear anything that you were saying. That, and a $10,000 premium… You can take the Duramax and shove it.
@@slaytanic921 What elevation do you drive? A NA engine loses power pretty dramatically as you get further above sea level. In the old days you were supposed to rejet the carb if you took a sea level car long term to higher elevation (every 2000-3000ft). If you didn't it would run rich and foul the plugs well before the 36000 plug replacement.
I dont understand why the gms dont get better mileage then the ford. My 23 got 22 mpg running 72 mph on the 200 mile trip home from the dealer. 23 ho tremor
It's weird to me when people don't understand things and then make stuff up and present it as fact to explain what's going on. "The diesel truck has higher compression so it can run lower rpm" sorry bro you're wrong as hell.
